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ironjustice@aol.com - 13 Jul 2008 17:32 GMT
Miraculous .. stuff.

This would be my .. freeee .. bisphosphonate .. aaaa gain.

Remember .. ? .. the one that is **better** than those .. expensive
**unaffordable** .. other bisphosphonates .. like etidronate .. ?

http://tinyurl.com/2wuhuk

The influence of phytic acid on TNF-alpha and its receptors genes'
expression in colon cancer Caco-2 cells.
Cholewa K, Parfiniewicz B, Bednarek I, Swiatkowska L, Jezienicka E,
Kierot J, Weglarz L
Acta Pol Pharm 2008 Jan-Feb; 65(1):75-9.

Inositol hexaphosphate (IP6, phytic acid) is a naturally occurring
carbohydrate abundantly present in high-fiber diets and it is also
contained in almost all mammalian cells.
It plays an important role in signal transduction, cell proliferation
and differentiation. Some natural substances have been shown to elicit
an impact on the expression of TNF-alpha and its receptors in cancer
cells.
TNF-alpha represents cytokine very often deregulated at the level of
both gene expression and signal transmission through TNF-alpha
receptors (TNFRI and TNFRII).
The aim of the present study was to analyze the IP6 influence on the
transcription of genes coding for TNF-alpha and its receptors in human
colon cancer cells line Caco-2.
Real-time QRT-PCR based on TaqMan methodology was applied to analyze
quantitatively the transcript levels of these genes.
Three concentrations (1, 2.5 and 5 mM) of IP6 were used for Caco-2
cells stimulation for 1, 6, 12 and 24 h.
The results showed that IP6 modulated the expression of the listed
genes at transcription level in a dose and time dependent manner.
The enhanced TNFRI and decreased TNF-alpha and TNFRII transcription in
Caco-2 cells stimulated for 12 h with IP6 seems to be the presumptive
evidence for anti-inflammatory and antitumor activity of IP6.

Acta poloniae pharmaceutica [Acta Pol Pharm]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The last study found there was not enough evidence to say one
bisphosphonate was better than another.
This study found .. phyate IS .. **better**.

"No evidence currently available to definitely confirm that
one bisphosphonate is better than another"

"Phytate found to be the most effective"

Phytate inhibits bovine pericardium calcification in vitro
Cardiovascular Pathology, Volume 17, Issue 3, May-June 2008, Pages
139-145
Félix Grases, Pilar Sanchis, Antonia Costa-Bauzá, Oriol Bonnin,
Bernat
Isern, Joan Perelló, Rafael M. Prieto

Objective
The present study examined the inhibitory effects of pyrophosphate,
etidronate, and phytate on bovine pericardium calcification in vitro.
Methods
Bovine pericardium was glutaraldehyde fixed and then placed in a flow
chamber in the presence of a synthetic physiological fluid alone
(control) or the fluid plus various concentrations of pyrophosphate,
etidronate, or phytate. Following a 96-h incubation, fragments were
removed and assayed for calcification by measuring calcium and
phosphorus levels.

Results
The data indicated that both pyrophosphate and etidronate at 1 mg/l
(5.75 and 4.95 μM, respectively) inhibited bovine pericardium
calcification, whereas neither agent had an effect at 0.5 mg/l (2.87
and 2.47 μM, respectively). Phytate was the most potent inhibitor of
calcification, and the effects of this agent were apparent at levels
as low as 0.25 mg/l (0.39 μM).

Conclusions
While pyrophosphate, etidronate, and phytate were all able to inhibit
bovine pericardium calcification in vitro, phytate was found to be
the
most effective.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Guy - 14 Jul 2008 18:30 GMT
On Jul 13, 5:32 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> Miraculous .. stuff.
>
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>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

Sorry - is this relevant to MS? I have learned while writing my eBook
"Multiple Sclerosis - a Quick Start Guide for the Newly Diagnosed,
their Families and Carers" that antiinflamattory drugs do have
potential as "rescue therapies" but there are risks as well,. It
doesn't sound like this is targeted to help control MS symptoms. Or am
I missing something?
Guy
ironjustice - 14 Jul 2008 19:47 GMT
On Jul 14, 10:30 am, Guy <guy.thomp...@guyt.co.uk> wrote:It
doesn't sound like this is targeted to help control MS symptoms <<

"There is no inflammation in those with multiple sclerosis."

Is that what you are saying .. ?

"Immune-mediated inflammation"

Colour Doppler imaging evaluation of blood flow parameters in the
ophthalmic artery in acute and chronic phases of optic neuritis in
multiple sclerosis.
Hradílek P, Stourac P, Bar M, Zapletalová O, Skoloudík D
Acta Ophthalmol 2008 Jun 19.

Purpose:
Optic neuritis (ON) is a common manifestation of multiple sclerosis
(MS). It is caused by the immune-mediated inflammation of the optic
nerve. Some vascular factors that may influence blood flow in the
ophthalmic artery (OA) have also been suggested as factors in the
pathogenesis of ON. The purpose of our study was to evaluate blood
flow velocities and resistance (RI) and pulsatile (PI) indices in the
OA in both orbits in patients in the acute and chronic phases of
unilateral ON and to compare these with equivalent findings in healthy
control subjects.
Methods:
Orbital colour Doppler imaging (CDI) was performed in 40 consecutive
MS patients during acute unilateral ON prior to corticosteroid
treatment. Optic neuritis was diagnosed on the basis of clinical
presentation and facultative assessment of visual evoked potentials
(VEPs). The peak systolic (PSV) and end-diastolic (EDV) velocities and
RI and PI were measured in the OA in both eyes. We compared results
from affected and unaffected orbits using the paired t-test. The same
measurements were performed in 114 MS patients with a history of acute
unilateral ON that occurred > 1 year prior to ultrasound examination.
We also measured the same parameters in the middle cerebral arteries
(MCAs) on both sides in all subjects in both groups. The same
measurements were obtained in healthy controls.
Results:
The PSV (p < 0.0001), RI (p < 0.0001) and PI (p < 0.0001) in the OA in
the eye affected with acute ON were significantly higher than in the
unaffected eye. There was no difference in EDV in the OA between
affected and unaffected eyes (p > 0.05) in the group with acute ON. We
did not observe any significant differences between eyes in either
blood flow velocities or the RI or PI (p > 0.05) in the group in the
chronic phase of ON or in the control group. All the parameters in the
MCAs on both sides were normal in both the acute and chronic groups,
as well as in the control group.
Conclusions: Pathophysiological changes during acute unilateral ON
influence orbital haemodynamics, as is indicated by increased PSV, RI
and PI in the OA in eyes affected with ON. However, these changes do
not persist over longer periods.

Acta ophthalmologica [Acta Ophthalmol]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> On Jul 13, 5:32 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Shelley - 14 Jul 2008 20:07 GMT
Nothing ironjustice a.k.a. Tin Pot Tommy says that makes any sense.  Ignore
him and maybe the little troll will go back under his (rusty) bridge... We
can only hope!  :)
Shelley

On Jul 13, 5:32 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> Miraculous .. stuff.
>
[quoted text clipped - 85 lines]
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

Sorry - is this relevant to MS? I have learned while writing my eBook
"Multiple Sclerosis - a Quick Start Guide for the Newly Diagnosed,
their Families and Carers" that antiinflamattory drugs do have
potential as "rescue therapies" but there are risks as well,. It
doesn't sound like this is targeted to help control MS symptoms. Or am
I missing something?
Guy
ironjustice@aol.com - 15 Jul 2008 04:27 GMT
Nothing ironjustice a.k.a. Tin Pot Tommy says that makes any sense.
 Ignore
him and maybe the little troll will go back under his (rusty)
bridge... We
can only hope!  :) <<

There IS .. inflammation IN .. multiple sclerosis ..

NO MATTER what .. these .. people TRY to tell you ..

You must have realized by now .. if you ARE writing an E-book ..
inflammation IS .. involved ..

Sooo .. evidentally .. at the very LEAST .. **you** are privy to the
FACT .. abuse OF .. me .. **specifically** comes .. BEFORE .. 'that
little kid over there'.

These people will tell you NOT to explore .. avenues .. KNOWING full
well those avenues ARE the ones you so desperately .. seek .. JUST in
order to .. abuse .. **me** ..

Leave .. quickly ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> Shelley
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Guy - 15 Jul 2008 12:44 GMT
On Jul 15, 4:27 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
>  Nothing ironjustice a.k.a. Tin Pot Tommy says that makes any sense.
>  Ignore
[quoted text clipped - 136 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course I know Inflammation is involved in triggering MS atacks,
otherwise those of us who have MS lesions would often not have too
much to worry about. But there are lots of inflammatios all over the
body, and people are trying various anti-inflammatory drugs to see if
they work to manage MS ("second hand medicines" I call them in my book
- not to say they are bad, but they need to be tested to see if they
do help and don't have unexpected side effects). My question was only
about whether there is anything new and specific to MS in this
announcement.
Guy
ironjustice - 15 Jul 2008 22:02 GMT
On Jul 15, 4:44 am, Guy <guy.thomp...@guyt.co.uk> wrote:My question
was only
about whether there is anything new and specific to MS in this
announcement. <<

It would give credence to the previous studies.
They recommend alpha-linolenic acid in those with multiple sclerosis.

These fatty acids ALL come from the parent fatty acid .. alpha-
linolenic acid found in plants.

http://tinyurl.com/2ky887

Conclusions
Based on the review above, the following strategies may be considered:
1. Increase intake of fats that are rich in omega- 3 fatty acids,
which include EPA (eicosapentaenoic acid), DHA (docosahexaenoic acid),
and ALA (alpha-linolenic acid).

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> On Jul 15, 4:27 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Shelley - 15 Jul 2008 23:57 GMT
Guy, are you new to usenet?  HE IS A TROLL.  He's not here to contribute,
only to cause trouble.  You can't have a meaningful dialogue with him and
share ideas, scientific or otherwise.  He is a disturbed idiot.  And I'm
only encouraging him by writing about him, as well as crossposting, which I
hate, so I'll sign off.

Best of luck with your e-book!

Shelley

On Jul 15, 4:27 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 14, 12:07 pm, "Shelley" <no...@nohow.com> wrote:
> Nothing ironjustice a.k.a. Tin Pot Tommy says that makes any sense.
[quoted text clipped - 137 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Of course I know Inflammation is involved in triggering MS atacks,
otherwise those of us who have MS lesions would often not have too
much to worry about. But there are lots of inflammatios all over the
body, and people are trying various anti-inflammatory drugs to see if
they work to manage MS ("second hand medicines" I call them in my book
- not to say they are bad, but they need to be tested to see if they
do help and don't have unexpected side effects). My question was only
about whether there is anything new and specific to MS in this
announcement.
Guy
Harvey R. Stone - 16 Jul 2008 00:29 GMT
> Guy, are you new to usenet?  HE IS A TROLL.  He's not here to contribute,
> only to cause trouble.  You can't have a meaningful dialogue with him and
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Shelley

Thank you,,,  Well said to too many newsgroups but that has to be done too
in hopes of reaching someone else about to post a reply.....  I will say
again,,, the only good post is to his server in a complaint...
Harv
Harvey R. Stone - 16 Jul 2008 00:16 GMT
On Jul 15, 4:27 am, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 14, 12:07 pm, "Shelley" <no...@nohow.com> wrote:
> Nothing ironjustice a.k.a. Tin Pot Tommy says that makes any sense.
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>
> > > The influence of phytic acid on TNF-alpha and its receptors genes'

> - Show quoted text -

NO,,, I will not.   UNlike you,,, I am smarter than that.   YOU are going to
talk treatment of MS with a TROLL   AND ARGUE WITH HIM.   How smart is
that???   And dam it all,,,,, cross post your ignorance to 5 or more
newsgroups.....are you trying to earn a doctors degree in this mannor of
posting.

Of course I know Inflammation is involved in triggering MS atacks,
otherwise those of us who have MS lesions would often not have too
much to worry about. But there are lots of inflammatios all over the
body, and people are trying various anti-inflammatory drugs to see if
they work to manage MS ("second hand medicines" I call them in my book
- not to say they are bad, but they need to be tested to see if they
do help and don't have unexpected side effects). My question was only
about whether there is anything new and specific to MS in this
announcement.
Guy

At least cut alt.support.arthritis out of the list of newsgroups you are
abusing,,,Guy...
Harv
Cheeky Bastard - 15 Jul 2008 22:32 GMT
It can't be called abuse when you like being whipped. Otherwise you would
not post in groups were many don't agree with you and more importantly WON'T
agree with you.

CB
On Jul 14, 12:07 pm, "Shelley" <no...@nohow.com> wrote:
Nothing ironjustice a.k.a. Tin Pot Tommy says that makes any sense.
Ignore
him and maybe the little troll will go back under his (rusty)
bridge... We
can only hope! :) <<

There IS .. inflammation IN .. multiple sclerosis ..

NO MATTER what .. these .. people TRY to tell you ..

You must have realized by now .. if you ARE writing an E-book ..
inflammation IS .. involved ..

Sooo .. evidentally .. at the very LEAST .. **you** are privy to the
FACT .. abuse OF .. me .. **specifically** comes .. BEFORE .. 'that
little kid over there'.

These people will tell you NOT to explore .. avenues .. KNOWING full
well those avenues ARE the ones you so desperately .. seek .. JUST in
order to .. abuse .. **me** ..

Leave .. quickly ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> Shelley
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Harvey R. Stone - 16 Jul 2008 00:18 GMT
> It can't be called abuse when you like being whipped. Otherwise you would
> not post in groups were many don't agree with you and more importantly
> WON'T agree with you.
>
> CB

Oh my,   are you proving you are smarter than a troll,,,, to whip up on a
troll,,,,, proving something to a troll????   Don't answer,,,, just stop.
Harv
Cheeky Bastard - 16 Jul 2008 06:32 GMT
>> It can't be called abuse when you like being whipped. Otherwise you would
>> not post in groups were many don't agree with you and more importantly
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> troll,,,,, proving something to a troll????   Don't answer,,,, just stop.
> Harv

Sorry Harv, this is usenet and I pay my monthly fee and will do as I please.

Welcome to the ALT world. Read the rules and if you can't live with them
than don't post.

Screw little dick Rusty.
Paul T. Holland - 16 Jul 2008 21:25 GMT
hey there cb - not going to tel you not to respond to tom - lol -
goodness knows i do it myself!

'but' - it really is the better part of courtesy to snip any given group
when members of it ask...tommy likes to cross post and it gives him a
certain...heck, i don't know what - but that doesn't mean that al and
sundry want to have to watch his meltdown.

example: i had 3 folk in the pain group specifically ask me to leave
that group off the cross posts - can't say as i found it a problem to
give 'em a break from the nonsense

think about it ok???

be well

paul

> >> It can't be called abuse when you like being whipped. Otherwise you would
> >> not post in groups were many don't agree with you and more importantly
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Screw little dick Rusty.
ironjustice - 16 Jul 2008 22:43 GMT
On Jul 16, 1:29 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:long winded whack <<

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595
Cheeky Bastard - 17 Jul 2008 10:09 GMT
BUT,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,PAUL!
Come on! I figure if I can piss them off and show HE (IT) was the cause
they will drive him off.

Anyhow you know me I don't care much. And now I think him and Marv are in
love LOL

CB
> hey there cb - not going to tel you not to respond to tom - lol -
> goodness knows i do it myself!
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
>>
>> Screw little dick Rusty.
ironjustice - 16 Jul 2008 04:11 GMT
On Jul 14, 12:07 pm, "Shelley" <no...@nohow.com> wrote: snip <<

That was .. Shelley ..

Whoever .. Shelley .. is ..

http://tinyurl.com/2wuhuk

The influence of phytic acid on TNF-alpha and its receptors genes'
expression in colon cancer Caco-2 cells.
Cholewa K, Parfiniewicz B, Bednarek I, Swiatkowska L, Jezienicka E,
Kierot J, Weglarz L
Acta Pol Pharm 2008 Jan-Feb; 65(1):75-9.

Inositol hexaphosphate (IP6, phytic acid) is a naturally occurring
carbohydrate abundantly present in high-fiber diets and it is also
contained in almost all mammalian cells.
It plays an important role in signal transduction, cell proliferation
and differentiation. Some natural substances have been shown to
elicit
an impact on the expression of TNF-alpha and its receptors in cancer
cells.
TNF-alpha represents cytokine very often deregulated at the level of
both gene expression and signal transmission through TNF-alpha
receptors (TNFRI and TNFRII).
The aim of the present study was to analyze the IP6 influence on the
transcription of genes coding for TNF-alpha and its receptors in
human
colon cancer cells line Caco-2.
Real-time QRT-PCR based on TaqMan methodology was applied to analyze
quantitatively the transcript levels of these genes.
Three concentrations (1, 2.5 and 5 mM) of IP6 were used for Caco-2
cells stimulation for 1, 6, 12 and 24 h.
The results showed that IP6 modulated the expression of the listed
genes at transcription level in a dose and time dependent manner.
The enhanced TNFRI and decreased TNF-alpha and TNFRII transcription
in
Caco-2 cells stimulated for 12 h with IP6 seems to be the presumptive
evidence for anti-inflammatory and antitumor activity of IP6.

Acta poloniae pharmaceutica [Acta Pol Pharm]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------­-----
The last study found there was not enough evidence to say one
bisphosphonate was better than another.
This study found .. phyate IS .. **better**.

"No evidence currently available to definitely confirm that
one bisphosphonate is better than another"

"Phytate found to be the most effective"

Phytate inhibits bovine pericardium calcification in vitro
Cardiovascular Pathology, Volume 17, Issue 3, May-June 2008, Pages
139-145
Félix Grases, Pilar Sanchis, Antonia Costa-Bauzá, Oriol Bonnin,
Bernat
Isern, Joan Perelló, Rafael M. Prieto

Objective
The present study examined the inhibitory effects of pyrophosphate,
etidronate, and phytate on bovine pericardium calcification in vitro.
Methods
Bovine pericardium was glutaraldehyde fixed and then placed in a flow
chamber in the presence of a synthetic physiological fluid alone
(control) or the fluid plus various concentrations of pyrophosphate,
etidronate, or phytate. Following a 96-h incubation, fragments were
removed and assayed for calcification by measuring calcium and
phosphorus levels.

Results
The data indicated that both pyrophosphate and etidronate at 1 mg/l
(5.75 and 4.95 μM, respectively) inhibited bovine pericardium
calcification, whereas neither agent had an effect at 0.5 mg/l (2.87
and 2.47 μM, respectively). Phytate was the most potent inhibitor of
calcification, and the effects of this agent were apparent at levels
as low as 0.25 mg/l (0.39 μM).

Conclusions
While pyrophosphate, etidronate, and phytate were all able to inhibit
bovine pericardium calcification in vitro, phytate was found to be
the
most effective.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> Nothing ironjustice a.k.a. Tin Pot Tommy says that makes any sense.  Ignore
> him and maybe the little troll will go back under his (rusty) bridge... We
[quoted text clipped - 102 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
Cheeky Bastard - 15 Jul 2008 03:49 GMT
Anti-inflammatory ? Tom's head in a bucket of ice water to help reduce the
SWELLING.
ironjustice@aol.com - 15 Jul 2008 04:28 GMT
testosterone depleted retarded fatboy <<

This just .. drips .. of .. support ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Cheeky Bastard - 15 Jul 2008 22:41 GMT
On Jul 14, 7:49 pm, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:
<<

>This just .. drips .. of .. support ..

Yes Tommy sticking your head in a bucket of ice water will help you. There's
your support.

Besides you don't come to Usenet looking for support, you just plagiarize
and post to make yourself feel wanted or needed.

Who loves ya Tommy? Who? Who? Tell us.

CB
ironjustice - 16 Jul 2008 04:06 GMT
There's
your support. <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy .. on a
thread with a .. somewhat mental .. broad ..

You should start a correspondence .. maybe .. hookup ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> Besides you don't come to Usenet looking for support, you just plagiarize
> and post to make yourself feel wanted or needed.
>
> Who loves ya Tommy? Who? Who? Tell us.
>
> CB
Cheeky Bastard - 16 Jul 2008 06:45 GMT
>"ironjustice" <teamtanner@hotmail.com>TOMMY THE CLOSETED HOMO WROTE in
>message
>news:1d113ac6-858e-47d8-8764-e54427b69886@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
>There's
> your support. <<

>That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy .. on a
>thread with a .. somewhat mental .. broad ..

Hmmmmm, really? My testosterone level is just fine. (But you will never find
out) why does tommy care about my SPERM????????????????????????????

>You should start a correspondence .. maybe .. hookup ..

TOM OUTS HIMSELF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Paul Holland will attest (not
because of his sexuality) THAT ONLY A GAY GUY WOULD KNOW THE WORD "hookup"

Second why would TOM be concerned about my sex life?

Sorry TOM I don't f.ck anything uglier than me so that leaves you in the
gutter.

>Who loves ya.Tom

Nobody loves you Tom, not even your mother and if she does you have been too
embarrassed to post so. Even if you do it shows your just a mommies boy!

Who LOVES you Tommy
fag???????????????????????????????????????????????????????

> Besides you don't come to Usenet looking for support, you just plagiarize
> and post to make yourself feel wanted or needed.
>
> Who loves ya Tommy? Who? Who? Tell us.

CB
Harvey R. Stone - 16 Jul 2008 17:53 GMT
> Who LOVES you Tommy
> fag???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>
> CB

CB,,,, We have young people that have arthritis in ASA  and your posting and
the words you use is just not for them to read....  Please leave ASA off of
your cross posting.   Just because rusty gets in the gutter every now and
then does not mean that you have to or are you proving where you live???
Harv
Cheeky Bastard - 16 Jul 2008 20:55 GMT
>> Who LOVES you Tommy
>> fag???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> live???
> Harv

Harv,
1. it's not my job to monitor what other people kids read or see online. Go
to your ISP's site and read the warnings about Usenet. That's why there are
moderated NG's and other places such as Yahoo and Google groups.
2. Not my crosspost, Tom's!!!!!!!!! As long as he crosspost to a bunch of
groups I will reply to that bunch of groups and maybe the people in those
groups will drop a rock on the troll who started the crosspost.
3.??? Have a nice day Harv and others.

CB
Shelley - 16 Jul 2008 21:12 GMT
While there are no rules, per se, on usenet, there are such things as good
manners, common courtesy, treating people respectfully, etc.  These groups
are all for support, not for you to get your jollies tweaking trolls and
annoying people.  Honestly, I'm starting to think the troll baiters -- and
you are not the only one -- are worse than the trolls themselves.  I just
don't understand why an otherwise intelligent person would waste the time,
energy, and bandwidth arguing with Rusty/Tommy and his ilk, nattering and
name-calling (some of my best friends are "fags" btw... doesn't make you a
bad person).  Just my .02.  And again, my apologies for the crosspost.

Shelley

>>> Who LOVES you Tommy
>>> fag???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> CB
ironjustice - 16 Jul 2008 22:43 GMT
On Jul 16, 1:12 pm, "Shelley" <no...@nohow.com> wrote:snip<<

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Paul T. Holland - 16 Jul 2008 21:31 GMT
hey cb - i know it's a pain - but each group has it's own issues and all
they are doing is 'asking' you to give 'em a break - that part of it is
under your control, no matter how tom started the cross-point

just asking you to give it some thought

be well

paul

> >> Who LOVES you Tommy
> >> fag???????????????????????????????????????????????????????
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> CB
ironjustice - 16 Jul 2008 22:43 GMT
On Jul 16, 1:32 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
wrote:long winded whack <<

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Cheeky Bastard - 17 Jul 2008 10:12 GMT
Paul if they do not like me bashing the troll they will have to boot the
troll to get me to stop relying WHEN I WANT TO.

CB
> hey cb - i know it's a pain - but each group has it's own issues and all
> they are doing is 'asking' you to give 'em a break - that part of it is
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
>>
>> CB
Cheeky Bastard - 17 Jul 2008 10:22 GMT
**replying

> Paul if they do not like me bashing the troll they will have to boot the
> troll to get me to stop relying WHEN I WANT TO.
[quoted text clipped - 46 lines]
>>>
>>> CB
ironjustice - 17 Jul 2008 13:50 GMT
snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Cheeky Bastard - 17 Jul 2008 18:23 GMT
Looks like Tommy ran out of things to say and now it's just the same old
replay.

Hey Rusty, I have to ask why are you so interested in my testosterone and my
NUTSACK?
I now believe it's totally true that the one who makes the most gay sneers
ARE the true queers.

CB
On Jul 17, 2:22 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:
snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy

Who loves ya.
Tom
ironjustice - 17 Jul 2008 20:35 GMT
snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Cheeky Bastard - 18 Jul 2008 20:19 GMT
Looks like Tommy ran out of things to say and now it's just the same old
replay.

Hey Rusty, I have to ask why are you so interested in my testosterone and my
NUTSACK?
I now believe it's totally true that the one who makes the most gay sneers
ARE the true queers.

CB

On Jul 17, 10:23 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:
snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
ironjustice - 16 Jul 2008 22:42 GMT
On Jul 16, 12:55 pm, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com>
wrote:snip<<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Harvey R. Stone - 16 Jul 2008 00:09 GMT
> Anti-inflammatory ? Tom's head in a bucket of ice water to help reduce the
> SWELLING.

Ok,,,, Bastard,,,, You are responding to a troll and KNOW that it changes
nothing but it make the people in all those cross post newsgroups mad AT YOU
for doing it.   Let that sink in a little.....  What is YOUR problem???
Harv
T Hall - 16 Jul 2008 01:27 GMT
DNFTEC

Do not feed the energy creature
Cheeky Bastard - 16 Jul 2008 06:48 GMT
>> Anti-inflammatory ? Tom's head in a bucket of ice water to help reduce
>> the SWELLING.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> problem???
> Harv

Harv, I've seen you before so when YOU get him to stop posting to AMF I
guess you will NEVER see me again.
In the meantime you argue me and it shows YOU support him.

TTFN

CB

PS. In the meantime as long as he CROSSPOST, DEAL WITH IT.

CB
Harvey R. Stone - 16 Jul 2008 18:00 GMT
> Harv, I've seen you before so when YOU get him to stop posting to AMF I
> guess you will NEVER see me again.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> CB
Let me say that I am sorry to say that I assumed you were better than a
troll.   Ok, ok,  you are smarther than he is,,,, more informed and have
nothing to prove....  Lets go with that.
Harv
Cheeky Bastard - 16 Jul 2008 20:57 GMT
>> Harv, I've seen you before so when YOU get him to stop posting to AMF I
>> guess you will NEVER see me again.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> nothing to prove....  Lets go with that.
> Harv

Face it some of us like playing with the trolls.

Sounds like you like Rusty.
Paul T. Holland - 16 Jul 2008 21:31 GMT
cb -

over the top there young fella

harv and many others of us have been around a very long time dealing
with the tom issue in the arthritis group and a couple other locales -

harv doesn't like to play with trolls, and he only has a certain amount
of patience - but he's got too long of a history to be jeered at - ok?

> >> Harv, I've seen you before so when YOU get him to stop posting to AMF I
> >> guess you will NEVER see me again.
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Sounds like you like Rusty.
ironjustice - 16 Jul 2008 22:43 GMT
On Jul 16, 1:36 pm, "Paul T. Holland" <pholl...@bellatlantic.net>
wrote: long winded whack <<

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Cheeky Bastard - 17 Jul 2008 10:13 GMT
Ummm then fill him in privately Paul.

You know me ;)
> cb -
>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>>
>> Sounds like you like Rusty.
ironjustice - 16 Jul 2008 22:44 GMT
On Jul 16, 12:57 pm, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com>
wrote:snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Cheeky Bastard - 17 Jul 2008 10:15 GMT
The reply looks like that of a lonely LOOSER. LOL

NOBODY loves you TOM.  LOL and YOU know it.

On Jul 16, 12:57 pm, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com>
wrote:snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
erach27@gmail.com - 21 Jul 2008 06:36 GMT
ANYBODY heard of "urine therapy" with 150,000 web pages on the
internet.
Erach

> >> Anti-inflammatory ? Tom's head in a bucket of ice water to help reduce
> >> the SWELLING.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> CB
dar - 21 Jul 2008 16:32 GMT
On Jul 21, 12:36 am, "erac...@gmail.com" <erac...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ANYBODY heard of "urine therapy" with 150,000 web pages on the
> internet.
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Erach,

Until now, I haven't.......

Interesting read........though.

Take care and be well out there!  Debra
ironjustice@aol.com - 15 Jul 2008 04:41 GMT
On Jul 14, 10:30 am, Guy <guy.thomp...@guyt.co.uk> wrote:anti-
inflammatory <<

http://www.medicineatmichigan.org/magazine/2005/spring/lungs/default.asp

"All autoimmune diseases -- such as rheumatoid arthritis, psoriasis,
lupus or multiple sclerosis -- are diseases in which the inflammatory
response is unregulated, excessive and out of control. So
understanding the inflammatory system from A to Z will have huge
applications in any number of diseases or clinical situations."

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> On Jul 13, 5:32 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 97 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
ironjustice@aol.com - 15 Jul 2008 05:15 GMT
On Jul 14, 8:41 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
wrote:anti-
inflammatory <<

http://www.medicineatmichigan.org/magazine/2005/spring/lungs/default.asp

"The mainstays of treatment are still corticosteroids, aspirin and non-
steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) like ibruprofen."

The articles below though .. show .. iron to BE .. "coincidentally" ..
closely involved.

Aspirin / iron chelating
Ibuprofen / iron chelating
Corticosteroid / improves siderosis

Ibuprofen prevents oxidant lung injury and in vitro lipid peroxidation
by chelating iron.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=296904

Iron chelation as a possible mechanism for aspirin-induced
malondialdehyde production by mouse liver microsomes and mitochondria.
http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=442488

Superficial hemosiderosis of the central nervous system improved by
corticosteroids
http://tinyurl.com/5dbjoa

"Pharmaceutical companies introduced a new type of anti-inflammatory
drug their cost per patient ranges from $12,000 to $20,000 each year.
There's still no new powerful, reasonably priced drug that can be used
across the board for these inflammatory diseases."

I would say there is .. the phytic acid mentioned in the article ..

VERY inexpensive.

Indian J Exp Biol. 2004 Feb;42(2):179-85.  Related Articles, Links

Antiinflammatory and antiulcer activities of phytic acid in rats.

Sudheer Kumar M, Sridhar Reddy B, Kiran Babu S, Bhilegaonkar PM,
Shirwaikar A,
Unnikrishnan MK.

Department of Pharmacology, College of Pharmaceutical Sciences,
Manipal 576
119, India.

Maximum antiinflammatory activity of phytic acid (PA) was seen at an
oral dose
of 150 mg/kg in the carrageenan induced rat paw edema model. Although
PA showed
ability to prevent denaturation of proteins, it showed less
antiinflammatory
activity than ibuprofen. Ability of PA to bring down thermal
denaturation of
proteins might be a contributing factor in the mechanism of action
against
inflammation. PA, at all the doses tested, showed significant
protection from
ulcers induced by ibuprofen, ethanol and cold stress, with a maximum
activity
at 150 mg/kg. There was a significant increase in gastric tissue
malondialdehyde levels in ethanol treated rats but these levels
decreased
following PA pretreatment. Moreover, pretreatment with PA
significantly
inhibited various effects of ethanol on gastric mucosa, such as,
reduction in
the concentration of nonprotein sulfhydryl groups, necrosis,
erosions,
congestion and hemorrhage. These results suggested that gastro-
protective
effect of PA could be mediated by its antioxidant activity and
cytoprotection
of gastric mucosa.

PMID: 15282951 [PubMed - in process]

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> On Jul 14, 10:30 am, Guy <guy.thomp...@guyt.co.uk> wrote:anti-
> inflammatory <<
[quoted text clipped - 119 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
wrthomps@ix.netcom.com - 15 Jul 2008 11:19 GMT
<guy.thomp...@guyt.co.uk> wrote:

(snip of Ferrous Hilton's maunderings)

> Sorry - is this relevant to MS? I have learned while writing my eBook
> "Multiple Sclerosis - a Quick Start Guide for the Newly Diagnosed,
> their Families and Carers" that antiinflamattory drugs do have
> potential as "rescue therapies" but there are risks as well,. It
> doesn't sound like this is targeted to help control MS symptoms. Or am
> I missing something?

No, it's Rusty who's missing something--his marbles.

Tom Hennessy (alias Ironjustice; better known as Rusty,
Ironman and the Ferrous Fuckwit) is a persistent troll who
floods assorted newsgroups with off-topic posts.  He isn't
honest enough to give a clear, straight answer, but it seems
he wants people to eliminate all iron from their bodies.  He's
made a number of bizarre statements which have everyone
convinced that he's nuts.  The only thing crazier than
Rusty is taking his advice.

--Bill Thompson
Michael B - 17 Jul 2008 04:15 GMT
Hmm, Tom, could you please tell those of us not as involved with
such stuff how the inhibition of calcium deposit on a cow's
pericardial tissue in a lab dish is relevant to the folks with Lupus?
Perhaps you could draw similar relationships for the ones with
fibromyalgia. That would be so nice of you.
Inquiring minds want to know.

On Jul 13, 12:32 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
wrote:
> Miraculous .. stuff.
>
[quoted text clipped - 85 lines]
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
ironjustice - 17 Jul 2008 04:39 GMT
On Jul 16, 8:15 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:snip <<

You've been told to stay off my threads ..
--------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
spodosaurus - 17 Jul 2008 04:40 GMT
> On Jul 16, 8:15 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:snip <<
>
> You've been told to stay off my threads ..

And you've been told to stop touching yourself in public. I'm sure he'll
stop when you do, Tommah.
ironjustice - 17 Jul 2008 05:41 GMT
On Jul 16, 8:40 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:I'm
sure he'll stop when you do, Tommah. <<

Uh .. uh ..

He is a whackjob ..
http://kook.us/holland.htm
"Holland goes into full attack mode and urges his sycophants to do the
same"

It is called .. cyberbullying and Holland and his cohorts have
perfected it .. looong .. ago ..
--------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> > On Jul 16, 8:15 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:snip <<
>
> > You've been told to stay off my threads ..
>
> And you've been told to stop touching yourself in public. I'm sure he'll
> stop when you do, Tommah.
spodosaurus - 17 Jul 2008 06:28 GMT
> On Jul 16, 8:40 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:I'm
> sure he'll stop when you do, Tommah. <<
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> It is called .. cyberbullying and Holland and his cohorts have
> perfected it .. looong .. ago ..

Tommah, don't you see the hypocrisy in your words? Considering all the
threats you've made? You've already proven yourself a liar by breaking
your promise to come visit me, so really, how can anyone believe a word
you say anymore?
never@millions..com - 17 Jul 2008 07:59 GMT
>> On Jul 16, 8:40 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:I'm
>> sure he'll stop when you do, Tommah. <<
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>your promise to come visit me, so really, how can anyone believe a word
>you say anymore?
Cheeky Bastard - 17 Jul 2008 10:20 GMT
My door is wide opedn for him, when does he want to visit? LOL

>> On Jul 16, 8:40 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:I'm
>> sure he'll stop when you do, Tommah. <<
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> your promise to come visit me, so really, how can anyone believe a word
> you say anymore?
Cheeky Bastard - 17 Jul 2008 10:19 GMT
RUSTY "IF" Paul and I wanted to cause you harm we really could.

PS. your firewall is weak.

On Jul 16, 8:40 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:I'm
sure he'll stop when you do, Tommah. <<

Uh .. uh ..

He is a whackjob ..
http://kook.us/holland.htm
"Holland goes into full attack mode and urges his sycophants to do the
same"

It is called .. cyberbullying and Holland and his cohorts have
perfected it .. looong .. ago ..
--------------------

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> ironjustice wrote:
> > On Jul 16, 8:15 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:snip <<
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> And you've been told to stop touching yourself in public. I'm sure he'll
> stop when you do, Tommah.
ironjustice - 17 Jul 2008 13:50 GMT
snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> RUSTY "IF" Paul and I wanted to cause you harm we really could.
>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
Cheeky Bastard - 17 Jul 2008 18:24 GMT
Looks like Tommy ran out of things to say and now it's just the same old
replay.

Hey Rusty, I have to ask why are you so interested in my testosterone and my
NUTSACK?
I now believe it's totally true that the one who makes the most gay sneers
ARE the true queers.

CB
On Jul 17, 2:19 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:
snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy

Who loves ya.
Tom

> RUSTY "IF" Paul and I wanted to cause you harm we really could.
>
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
ironjustice - 17 Jul 2008 20:35 GMT
snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Cheeky Bastard - 18 Jul 2008 20:19 GMT
Looks like Tommy ran out of things to say and now it's just the same old
replay.

Hey Rusty, I have to ask why are you so interested in my testosterone and my
NUTSACK?
I now believe it's totally true that the one who makes the most gay sneers
ARE the true queers.

CB

On Jul 17, 10:24 am, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:
snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
ironjustice - 18 Jul 2008 20:56 GMT
snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Cheeky Bastard - 19 Jul 2008 07:29 GMT
Looks like Tommy ran out of things to say and now it's just the same old
replay.

Hey Rusty, I have to ask why are you so interested in my testosterone and my
NUTSACK?
I now believe it's totally true that the one who makes the most gay sneers
ARE the true queers.

YOU WANNA SUCK MY COCK DON'T YOU?

CB

On Jul 18, 12:19 pm, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com> wrote:
snip <<

That sounds like a testosterone depleted retarded fatboy

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
ironjustice - 19 Jul 2008 12:54 GMT
On Jul 18, 11:29 pm, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com>
wrote:snip
<<

You are kind of an idiot .. as well .. eh .. testosterone depleted
retarded fatboy ..

You were told to stay off my threads ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Cheeky Bastard - 20 Jul 2008 09:40 GMT
The best part of Tom ran down his mothers leg.....

On Jul 18, 11:29 pm, "Cheeky Bastard" <InvalidEm...@aol.com>
wrote:snip
<<

You are kind of an idiot .. as well .. eh .. testosterone depleted
retarded fatboy ..

You were told to stay off my threads ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Harvey R. Stone - 20 Jul 2008 13:11 GMT
> The best part of Tom ran down his mothers leg.....

But he should does like all the attention he has been getting lately which
makes your mothers leg kind of damp along with a couple of more people.

Harv
Cheeky Bastard - 20 Jul 2008 13:50 GMT
>> The best part of Tom ran down his mothers leg.....
>
> But he should does like all the attention he has been getting lately which
> makes your mothers leg kind of damp along with a couple of more people.
>
> Harv

What leg Harv? I was born in a test tube Bwhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Idjit
Peter - 21 Jul 2008 18:04 GMT
> > The best part of Tom ran down his mothers leg.....
>
> But he should does like all the attention he has been getting lately which
> makes your mothers leg kind of damp along with a couple of more people.
>
> Harv

See bandolier on this topic.

http://www.medicine.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/band129/b129-6.html

Peter
dar - 17 Jul 2008 18:17 GMT
> On Jul 16, 8:40 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:I'm
> sure he'll stop when you do, Tommah. <<
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Major Tom,

I guess you do read some of my inputs on your threads.........  I'm
honored!  :-)

Remember my posting on your thread "Creating Fibromyalgia", and how I
referred to you about "cyber bullying" in the case of a small town in
Missouri, and upcoming (hopefully) "hate crimes law" regarding those
whom live an alternative lifestyle?

"All we are saying, is give peace a chance....."    Give Peace a
Chance - by John Lennon

~* P e a c e *~

Take care and be well out there!  Debra
ironjustice - 17 Jul 2008 20:34 GMT
On Jul 17, 10:17 am, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote: snip <<

You know by now .. you are beginning to bother me with your ..
innuendo ..

You KNOW .. by NOW .. I don't.. dig .. people being on a thread ..
without .. **reason** ..

YOU .. have no REASON to BE .. on .. **my** threads ..

You contribute .. nothing ..

You attempt to .. stir .. pots ..

Stay off my threads ..

They're .. special ..

Not too many .. have .. 'what it takes' to BE .. on one of my
threads ..

You fall short ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

> > On Jul 16, 8:40 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:I'm
> > sure he'll stop when you do, Tommah. <<
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -
dar - 17 Jul 2008 21:56 GMT
> On Jul 17, 10:17 am, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote: snip <<
>
[quoted text clipped - 79 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Major Tom,

Yes, I know that your threads are special.  It takes you time and
energy to research the topics that you provide to the rest of those
whom desire to read them.

I just wonder who the folks are that "have what it takes" to be on
your threads.  Would you mind presenting me with a list of your
requirements?  This would further educate me on this subject.  Thank
you in advance.

How can I possibly fall short? I provided you a service of information
regarding cyber-bullying and hate crimes against folks with an
alternative lifestyle?  Not to mention..........  Give Peace a Chance
- John Lennon .......

~* Peace, Major Tom*~

Take care and be well out there!  Debra
ironjustice - 17 Jul 2008 22:22 GMT
On Jul 17, 1:56 pm, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote:I just wonder who
the folks are that "have what it takes" to be on your threads.  Would
you mind presenting me with a list of your requirements?  <<

Nooo .. just remember .. YOU .. **don't** have the requirements ..

On Jul 17, 1:56 pm, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote: How can I possibly
fall short? I provided you a service of information regarding cyber-
bullying and hate crimes against folks with an alternative lifestyle?
<<

Actually .. **I** provided the .. information about cyberbullying ..
YOU provided actually .. nothing ..

YOU .. 'provided' .. gay .. bashing ..

Not a pretty .. subject .. and maybe you shouldn't speak to .. gay ..
bashing ..

You know alot about .. gay .. bashing .. do ya .. ?

I started a thread specifically about .. gay .. bashing .. and YOU are
not .. there ..

How come .. ?

If you are soooo .. interested in .. gay .. bashing .. why don't you
go over there .. and NOT .. here ..

This thread is about.. inflammation ..

You haven't mentioned inflammation .. once .. on this thread ..

Do you KNOW the .. subject OF .. this .. thread ..

But you expect ME to .. explain .. the meaning of such a simple word
TO .. you .. ?

No .. I will not teach you .. English ..

Find someone else to teach .. English .. to ya ..

Somewhere .. **else** ..

Understand .. ?

Do ya .. ?

Stay OFF .. **my** threads ..

Because .. like I explained to you .. once ..

You don't be.. long .. ON .. my threads ..

You are not .. science .. oriented ..

English seems to be a problem with ya .. too ..

So since my posts are EXCLUSIVELY .. in English .. and they speak
to .. Science ..

YOU do not .. belong.

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

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dar - 17 Jul 2008 22:33 GMT
> On Jul 17, 1:56 pm, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote:I just wonder who
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Major Tom,

Thank you for answering my question in a clear and concise manner. I
truly appreciate it!  :-)

Take care and be well out there!  Debra
ironjustice - 17 Jul 2008 22:48 GMT
On Jul 17, 2:33 pm, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote:Thank you for
answering my question in a clear and concise manner. I truly
appreciate it! <<

You understood what I .. said .. ?

Then I can say .. goodbye .. to ya ..

Goodbye ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

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dar - 18 Jul 2008 16:03 GMT
> On Jul 17, 2:33 pm, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote:Thank you for
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Major Tom,

Being that it's Friday, and I usually try and serve Blue Drinks all
around.......

Methinks that today (Friday), I'm going to make an exception.  I'd
like to instead propose a "group hug around Major Tom" due to this
week being such a long week of bantering........  Here's to you, Major
Tom!  :-)

(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((M A J O R  T O
M)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Take care and be well out there!  Debra
ironjustice - 18 Jul 2008 18:21 GMT
On Jul 18, 8:03 am, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote:snip
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You were told to stay off my threads ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
dar - 18 Jul 2008 18:35 GMT
> On Jul 18, 8:03 am, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote:snip
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Major Tom,

Listen, I've got as much right to post where and whenever I
choose........   As do you! :-)

I'm looking forward to tea!  :-)

(((((((((((( M A J O R   T O M ))))))))))

Take care and be well out there!  Debra
ironjustice - 18 Jul 2008 18:46 GMT
On Jul 18, 10:35 am, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote: snip <<

You were told to stay off my threads ..

You are a .. twit ..

I tried not to have to tell you WHY you don't belong on my threads ..

Let me repeat it for ya ..

Twits not .. allowed ..

You BEING a .. twit .. are .. therefore .. excluded ..

You were told to stay off my threads ..

You are a .. twit ..

How about that time .. ?

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Like do ya .. catch .. the .. drift .. ?

Twit ..
Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

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> Take care and be well out there!  Debra
dar - 18 Jul 2008 18:57 GMT
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Major Tom,

((((((((((((((( M A J O R   T O M )))))))))))))

Take care and be well out there!  Debra
ironjustice - 18 Jul 2008 19:11 GMT
On Jul 18, 10:57 am, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote:You were told to
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I am beginning to think I was right about you from the beginning ..

Wasn't .. I ..

I called .. you to BE .. an .. ahole ..

Isn't that .. right ..

Heh .. heh ..

Should we go back a look at how you .. denied .. being HERE to ..
target .. ME .. ?

Should we you two-faced piece of crap .. ?

You have gained a new .. handle ..

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Like do ya .. catch .. the .. drift .. ?

You two-faced piece of crap

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
Michael B - 18 Jul 2008 23:01 GMT
Ya know, his mind(?) does run in some odd directions.
Now picture a piece of crap. With that in mind, put a face on it. It's
kinda hard to picture. But if he can do it, surely you can.
Now, after you've put a face on that lump of crap, put yet another
one on it. The faces don't have to be bilaterally symmetrical, just
present.

> On Jul 18, 10:57 am, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote:You were told to
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ironjustice - 19 Jul 2008 01:46 GMT
On Jul 18, 3:01 pm, Michael B <baugh...@bellsouth.net> wrote:snip
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You were told to stay off my threads ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
dar - 19 Jul 2008 14:09 GMT
> On Jul 18, 10:57 am, dar <darh...@gmail.com> wrote:You were told to
> stay off my threads .. <<
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> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

Major Tom,

Group Hug for ya!  :-)

(((((((((((((( M A J O R   T O M ))))))))))))))))

Have a nice weekend!  :-)

Take care and be well out there!  Debra
ironjustice - 19 Jul 2008 14:40 GMT
On Jul 18, 11:11 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:two-
faced piece
of crap
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You were told to stay off my threads ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/4rq595

DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk
spodosaurus - 19 Jul 2008 14:46 GMT
> On Jul 18, 11:11 am, ironjustice <teamtan...@hotmail.com> wrote:two-
> faced piece
> of crap
> <<
>
> You were told to stay off my threads ..

And you were told to stop rubbing yourself in public...again. When you
stop, I'm sure he will, too. Didn't anyone ever tell you that it's wrong
to break your promises? What? Someone told you that? Well, you did break
your promise: you said you'd come and visit me and then didn't even
after I offered to come get you at the airport and everything! I don't
think you should be telling anyone anything until you clean up your own
act, Tommah.
ironjustice - 19 Jul 2008 15:09 GMT
On Jul 19, 6:46 am, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:When
you
stop, I'm sure he will, too. <<

He .. ?

You know something .. ?

Who IS .. dar .. ?

Cheeky .. ? Michael .. ? Holland .. ? Harv .. ?

Usually it is a testosterone depleted guy who takes on a gender
bending persona.

Which testosterone depleted person .. is dar .. ?

Michael ..? Holland ..? Cheeky .. ? Harv .. ?

Take a guess ..

Let's change the header to .. Guess The Testosterone Depleted
Cyberbully

Ok .. ?

Great ..

Who loves ya.
Tom

Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://tinyurl.com/2r2nkh

Man Is A Herbivore!