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Robin Nemeth - 25 May 2008 14:26 GMT

In recent months we’ve seen the government concede that vaccines can
cause autism. Although the public health officials claim that the case
is unusual, the Hannah Poling case is only one of many conceded by the
US Vaccine Court in which damages were paid by the US Vaccine Injury
Compensation program for 'autism-like symptoms'
http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080307/LIFE/803070318/1004
Now we are hearing from the former head of the National Institute of
Health, Ms. Bernadine Healy, that the government has been to quick to
dismiss a link between vaccines and autism and has, in fact,
deliberately looked away, in fear of what they would discover.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/12/cbsnews_investigates/main4086809.shtml

So why am I telling you these things? I am telling you these things
because you’re unlikely to hear them on your cable news channels. Why
are these stories not all over your cable news channels? Because in
between the ‘news’ stories, we see almost nothing but paid ads for
pharmaceuticals. How will you ever get reliable information on other
damage vaccines might have wrought? Certainly not by watching your
evening news programming.

Here is something else that you should be interested to know. Autism
is considered by many experts to be an autoimmune disorder, as is
arthritis.

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RoseB - 25 May 2008 16:18 GMT

You need to look at the results of studies in medical journals that
are peer reviewed, and not at media reports. There have been several
large scale studies that have shown no link between autism and MMR.
Dr. Andrew Wakefield who conducted the initial study was discredited,
and several researchers that worked with him signed affidavits that
certain results were falsified. Dr. Wakefield is no longer allowed to
conduct research.

The media can report anything and is not a credible source. One
spokesperson is not a credible source. The best thing is to look at
what the research shows. The results were not_inconclusive_, but
rather found no link.

Ithink that there may be other factors at play in the development of
autism, and some may very well include environmental effects combined
with genetics. Large scale studies have shown that there _is_ a
strong genetic factor. Secondly, there is research to show that the
brains of children with autism are more densely packed, and their
heads larger. That would not occur if autism was created by factors
after birth. Instead it speaks to something that happened
developmentally. Unfortunately, the symptoms of autism may not be
noticeable before the child is about 36 months of age. That factor is
what influences people to think that autism is caused by something
that has happened to the child during the period of birth to 3 yrs. It
also coincides with the time that childhood vaccines are given.

Please consult with appropriate medical journals before drawing
conclusions and posting to public groups. You simply do not have all
the facts.
Rose @}->--
Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown,
one seeks to understand it.

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spodosaurus - 25 May 2008 17:23 GMT

> You need to look at the results of studies in medical journals that
> are peer reviewed, and not at media reports. There have been several
> large scale studies that have shown no link between autism and MMR.

The studies that get funding are the ones that will not look at
subgroups. If you look at populations only, you miss the affected group
or groups within the population. They're washed out with the statistics.
This concept is well known, and is sometimes referred to as 'tyranny of
the mean'. That said, the original poster is also just a bit nutty. Then
again, finding the affected subgroups and providing them with an
alternate vaccine (readily available, though more expensive) should have
been done a long, long time ago. Just like fingerprint research, the
research that will find anything gets killed off by lack of funding.
This 'lack' is deliberate - if some study makes it through, the study
will lose funding before it can begin.

Ari

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High Miles - 25 May 2008 16:20 GMT

> In recent months we’ve seen the government concede that vaccines can
> cause autism. Although the public health officials claim that the case
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> is considered by many experts to be an autoimmune disorder, as is
> arthritis.

Vaccines have done far more good than harm.
Autism and other autoimmune disorders might just as likely come from
off gassing of harmful chemicals in modern homes, or from the plastic
used in infant feeding bottles.

What studies speculate that autism is an autoimmune disorder ?

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