I noted in the other post that Remicade is failing for my Mom.
She has been in EXTREME pain for a few months now. Her RD has
switched her from Vicodin to Ultram. I can hear in her voice
(I'm 1500miles away) more slurring and slower thinking/forget-
fulness since she has been on the Ultram. Since there are
concerns about giving Ultram to someone over 75, as my Mom is,
I was wondering about other alternatives to suggest???? She
is desperate for pain relief.

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deT notsuH bass-ackwards ude.hcimu@pcird
Doctors don't really prolong your life, but when you're stuck
in the waiting room, it seems that way.
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 21 May 2008 21:38 GMT
I didn't know there were concerns about giving Ultram to folks over 75. I'm
79 and have been on Ultram (50 mg), then Ultram 200, and now Ultram 300 plus
50 mg for breakthrough pain. I've had no problem whatsoever with any of it
and have been on it for quite some time.
Gwen
I noted in the other post that Remicade is failing for my Mom.
She has been in EXTREME pain for a few months now. Her RD has
switched her from Vicodin to Ultram. I can hear in her voice
(I'm 1500miles away) more slurring and slower thinking/forget-
fulness since she has been on the Ultram. Since there are
concerns about giving Ultram to someone over 75, as my Mom is,
I was wondering about other alternatives to suggest???? She
is desperate for pain relief.

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deT notsuH bass-ackwards ude.hcimu@pcird
Doctors don't really prolong your life, but when you're stuck
in the waiting room, it seems that way.
nanny - 22 May 2008 06:03 GMT
Yeah, I don't understand the age factor either. My Mom is 86 and still
takes it. Both my Mom and I take 50 mg. at a time. What dosage has your
Mom been taking? Nanny
>I didn't know there were concerns about giving Ultram to folks over 75.
>I'm
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> I was wondering about other alternatives to suggest???? She
> is desperate for pain relief.
deT notsuH - 22 May 2008 19:13 GMT
Sorry about that everybody, didn't mean to cause any worries or
whatever. I'm sure it is like all drugs, side effects hit different
people in different ways. If you've been on a drug for some time,
you already know how it affects you. But when you are starting out,
ya gotta watch.
The concern comes from the prescribing info:
"Geriatric Use
Nine-hundred-one elderly (65 years of age or older) subjects were
exposed to ULTRAM ER in clinical trials. Of those subjects, 156 were
75 years of age and older. In general, higher incidence rates of
adverse events were observed for patients older than 65 years of age
compared with patients 65 years and younger, particularly for the
following adverse events: constipation, fatigue, weakness, postural
hypotension and dyspepsia. For this reason, ULTRAM ER should be used
with great caution in patients older than 75 years of age."
My Mom was started at the lowest end, 100mg tabs. And, while I'm
asking stupid questions, she said she has been splitting tabs which
the prescribing info also says is a NO-NO. I'm sure that has to do
with the drug abuse angle, but....??
> Yeah, I don't understand the age factor either. My Mom is 86 and still
> takes it. Both my Mom and I take 50 mg. at a time. What dosage has your
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>>I was wondering about other alternatives to suggest???? She
>>is desperate for pain relief.

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deT notsuH bass-ackwards ude.hcimu@pcird
Doctors don't really prolong your life, but when you're stuck
in the waiting room, it seems that way.
DeeDee - 21 May 2008 22:51 GMT
> I noted in the other post that Remicade is failing for my Mom.
> She has been in EXTREME pain for a few months now. �Her RD has
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> Doctors don't really prolong your life, but when you're stuck
> in the waiting room, it seems that way.
I have been on Ultram (generic does not do a thing for me--tramadol)
for about 10 years. I have never heard that it is dangerous to give
it to anyone over 75. Vicodin is narcotic, Ultram is not. Vicodin
is actually stronger. I have that for my bad breakthrough pain.
How much has her doctor have her on?
It could be that it is reacting with some other med she is on.
Ultram is the only med that I have never had a reaction to.
I take 100mg every 6 hours. It is my life saver.
DD
Harvey R. Stone - 21 May 2008 23:41 GMT
>I noted in the other post that Remicade is failing for my Mom.
> She has been in EXTREME pain for a few months now. Her RD has
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> I was wondering about other alternatives to suggest???? She
> is desperate for pain relief.
Others can tell you best about taking pain killers. My thoughts on your
situation is that getting her on another medicine that works for her will
make pain not such a problem.
Harv
Adelle - 25 May 2008 13:13 GMT
>I noted in the other post that Remicade is failing for my Mom.
> She has been in EXTREME pain for a few months now. Her RD has
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> I was wondering about other alternatives to suggest???? She
> is desperate for pain relief.
After reading several of the answers, maybe something more is going on?
Our family has idiosyncratic reactions to medication. Maybe the slurring is
an unexpected reaction, but just a personal one - her body doesn't tolerate
Ultram as well.
Perhaps its a drug interaction between the Ultram and something else that is
being prescribed.
Maybe another medical condition is popping up? She could have something
neurological happening. Or a blood flow issue.
Could she be self medicating with alcohol or other drugs and not telling
you?
Its very hard from so far away to know with any certainty. Do you have
permission to get info from her doctors? If yes, call and ask for a run down
on what is happening and let them know of your concerns. Even if you don't
have a POA or HIPPA release, let the doctor know your concerns. Maybe
suggest that you are worried she is now a fall risk. Anything to make them
think there might be a malpractice issue if they don't investigate
immediately.
Adelle