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Califchief - 23 Apr 2008 07:00 GMT It's no LOL: Fewer than 1/3 of U.S. doctors answer e-mails from patients; privacy is a concern www.9-1-1.gov/communications Tuesday, April 22, 2008 1:43 PM
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Suzanne Kreuziger is a registered nurse who uses e-mail almost exclusively to communicate with friends.
But when it comes to reaching her doctor, there's a frustrating firewall.
The barrier is her doctor's own reluctance to talk to patients through e-mail.
"It makes sense to me to have the words laid out, to be able to re-read, to go back to it at a convenient time," the 34-year-old Milwaukee woman recently wrote on a social networking site. "If I were able to ask my physician questions this way, it would make my own health care much easier."
Kreuziger's experience is shared by most Americans: They want the convenience of e-mail for non-urgent medical issues, but fewer than a third of U.S. doctors use e-mail to communicate with patients, according to recent physician surveys.
"People are able to file their taxes online, buy and sell household goods, and manage their financial accounts," said Susannah Fox of the Pew Internet & American Life Project. "The health care industry seems to be lagging behind other industries."
Doctors have their reasons for not hitting the reply button more often.
Some worry it will increase their workload, and most physicians don't get reimbursed for it by insurance companies.
Others fear hackers could compromise patient privacy - even though doctors who do e-mail generally do it through password-protected Web sites.
There are also concerns that patients will send urgent messages that don't get answered promptly. And any snafu raises the specter of legal liability.
Asurvey conducted early last year by Manhattan Research found that only 31% doctors e-mailed their patients in the 1st quarter of 2007.
Two major health insurers, Cigna Corp. and Aetna Inc., this year expanded pilot programs that compensate doctors who use a secure Internet site to make virtual house calls with patients. That includes the ability to send encrypted e-mail, a move some hope will increase the number of doctors who go digital.
Dr. Daniel Z. Sands, an assistant clinical professor at Harvard Medical School, is among the early adopters who doesn't get paid for e-visits.
He sees communicating with patients online as no different from phoning them, a practice that also is not billable.
Since 2000, Sands has answered patient questions by logging onto a password-protected Web site of the Harvard-affiliated Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center. He also sets his Treo to retrieve new messages every 4 hours. He mostly gets e-mails from patients seeking advice for new symptoms or updates from chronic disease sufferers.
Although Sands has had mostly positive experiences, one patient bombarded him with e-mails. She became "pushy" and her messages were sometimes threatening.
"We sort of had this fight back and forth through electronic communication, which is absolutely the wrong thing to do. I should have picked up the phone and called her. Any message that takes more than two volleys back and forth should not be done by e-mail," Sands said.
The American Medical Association says e-mail should not replace face-to-face time with patients. The group's etiquette guidelines recommend talking to patients about the technology's limitations.
Most studies have shown patients don't abuse e-mail. They generally don't deluge doctors with rambling messages, and Internet exchanges may even help doctors' productivity and cut down on office visits.
For example, a 2007 University of Pittsburgh study published in the journal Pediatrics followed 121 families who e-mailed their doctors. Researchers found 40% of e-mails were sent after business hours and only about 6% were urgent. Doctors received on average one e-mail a day and responded 57% faster than by telephone.
A separate study by health care giant Kaiser Permanente published in the American Journal of Managed Care last year found patients who used its secure Web system were 7 to 10% less likely to schedule an office visit. Patients also made 14% fewer phone calls than those who did not use the online services.
Before e-mail can become as routine as a physical, doctors need to be trained to handle confidential patient messages in the digital age, some experts say. That would include learning to file e-mails in patients' health records and instructing patients in the risks of electronic messaging.
Kreuziger, the nurse who can't e-mail her doctor, works in a large practice that also doesn't offer e-mail services. She often has to phone patients to check on their blood-sugar levels or track them down about an abnormal lab test _ a chore for a person who prefers e-mail over the phone.
"I hate a ringing phone. It's an interruption," she said in an interview.
Kreuziger and her colleagues recently asked patients about their Internet needs. Of the 76 patients who responded to the questionnaire, most said they would like e-mail access to their doctors.
It's not the first time the medical field has been slow to embrace technology. When the first telephones became widely available in the late 1800s, doctors were concerned about being swamped with calls.
Dr. Tom Delbanco, a primary care doctor at Beth Israel who e-mails patients, believes it is just a matter of time before the technology becomes a routine part of patient care.
"Medicine is very conservative. It changes slowly," he said.
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Ellie - 23 Apr 2008 13:53 GMT Honestly I think one of the major reasons doctor's don't use email is because if they answer the question via email, then you don't go in for a visit and they can't charge a co-pay. The doctor I just quit my job with did that. Wouldn't even talk to patients on the phone and would mention to us (his staff) if I do that then I don't get a co-pay then he would chuckle. It was all I could do to bite my tongue. I quit working for him because of some of those remarks and other reasons.
> It's no LOL: Fewer than 1/3 of U.S. doctors answer > e-mails from patients; privacy is a concern [quoted text clipped - 129 lines] > > ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12 Carole - 23 Apr 2008 17:52 GMT > Honestly I think one of the major reasons doctor's don't use email is > because if they answer the question via email, then you don't go in for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > would chuckle. It was all I could do to bite my tongue. I quit working > for him because of some of those remarks and other reasons. When I was a teacher, there was a science teacher in our school who used to say that he became a teacher because of July and August, sick days, snow days, personal days and holidays.
I guess you get them in all professions.
Carole
ANN M - 23 Apr 2008 19:34 GMT I actually can see both sides of the story. If a doctor gets $100 for an office visit whether from the patient or from the insurance company, why would he want to spend his days on the phone for no reimbursement? He has administrative costs, malpractice insurance, liability insurance as well as paying back student loans and loans for equipment. My doctors all used to return phone calls but now my GP has the girls tell me to "come in today or tomorrow." I don't like it, but I do understand. Ann
Harvey R. Stone - 24 Apr 2008 00:42 GMT >I actually can see both sides of the story. If a doctor gets $100 for > an office visit whether from the patient or from the insurance company, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > understand. > Ann and I feel the same way..... Someone has to pay for the lawsuits, insurance against lawsuits even for the BEST doctors who really want to help the people that come through their door. Email with an on going patient problems can be a blessing and finding a doctor that is willing to do this is a hard find,,,,,,, and I do not blame them but I can praise those that will and do. Harv
Donna G. - 24 Apr 2008 04:52 GMT I am so blessed and have always had wonderful doctors who really do their best to care for their patients. I am also very blessed to have 3 of my doctors who do do email with their patients.
The doctors who do email with their patients, required the patients to sign a contract that says you realize that the emails may not be responded to for up to 2-3 days, that you can not use the email for urgent or complicated issues, that others in the office may see the emial, and that the emails will be treated like phone messages with copies of the email placed in your chart. This helps cover some of the liability issues as well as the emails being set up with encrypted and password protected email addresses. And, yes, sometimes you are still asked to come in for an appointment.
In some cases, I think the communication via email can actually save a doctor money in the long run. First of all, the doctor can address the emails when ever it is convenient for him/her to do so. I have gotten responses to my emails at 12:30 at night sometimes. Second, if you are requesting a prescription refill or some other type of easy thing, the doctor can just take care of it and it is much quicker than having to call the patient and try to catch up with them or perhaps playing phone tag for several days. Third, I have found it saves a lot of time for both myself and the doctor by doing email, because when you have a question and it has to go through the front desk, then to the nurse, then to the doctor, you often lose half of what the original question or message was really all about. By asking the question yourself, directly, via email, the doctor gets the full clear meaning and can then respond accordingly. Also, sometimes it is just a question that requires clarification of medication directions that if the doctor responds to the email, the patient is more likely to do what they were told then not. There have been times by just asking a quick question via email has saved me from going in and tying up an appointment that could be used for someone else who needs the appointment more!
I can see both sides of the coin here, but I also appreciate so much being able to email with the doctors of mine that are willing to do so, as it truly does make my life much easier and I think at times it also makes the doctors life a bit easier than having to pick up a phone. One of my doctors responds to his emails often times when he is at his kids sporting events, when he is sitting in a hotel room, in flight to a destination, or doing other activities that he might not otherwise be able to do if he had to stay at his office and call patients back on the phone!
In any case, I do in the long run think that this is the way of the future and for me personally, it has worked out well.
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Donna . . . . 1.) ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
2.) J.K.M.A.
Donna G. - 24 Apr 2008 05:45 GMT Nann Bell - 24 Apr 2008 05:45 GMT I can really see that doctors would have to put strict limits on what things can be addressed via email. There are plenty of patients out there now who try to get diagnosed or treated over the phone and I'm sure that would be the same with email. I do wish though that more doctor's offices would let you do some stuff via email rather than on the phone. I really burned up our long distance minutes last year with all my cross-state doctors. I also can say things more clearly in an email than on voice mail.
My RD in Boston geve me her email to use if I needed her that last summer when scheduling and traveling issues kept cropping up. Something did come up, I emailed her and she had them fit me in, off the books, for a quick 5 minutes to cover it. I gotta admit it was great.
Now, some of the docs my brother and SIL see will let them fax in a list of questions and they will come up with he answers. It works really well for them.
 Signature Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me Change everything. Love & forgive.
>> I actually can see both sides of the story. If a doctor gets $100 for >> an office visit whether from the patient or from the insurance company, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > will and do. > Harv Donna G. - 24 Apr 2008 07:05 GMT That reminds me, Nann, sometimes if I don't want to forget to talk to the doctor about something, I will email a list of things I want to cover or a list of prescription refills I need before arriving, this gives the doctor time to fill out the prescriptions before I get there as well as think about answers before I arrive. They seem to like knowing ahead of time what you want to discuss.
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Donna . . . . 1.) ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
2.) J.K.M.A.
Nann Bell - 24 Apr 2008 13:51 GMT yeah, my bro and SIL have used the faxing option to send in appt. questions ahead of time, also. They say much the same as you - it helps on both sides when there is a list of questions to cover.
 Signature Nann remove the Gator cheer to email me Change everything. Love & forgive.
> That reminds me, Nann, sometimes if I don't want to forget to talk to > the doctor about something, I will email a list of things I want to [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > 2.) J.K.M.A. Jo Firey - 23 Apr 2008 22:19 GMT > Honestly I think one of the major reasons doctor's don't use email is > because if they answer the question via email, then you don't go in for a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > chuckle. It was all I could do to bite my tongue. I quit working for him > because of some of those remarks and other reasons. I've never had a doctor that wouldn't return a phone call, though often they do have to wait for later in the day and try to return all calls in a short period of time.
Now however its become a problem. Since I don't hear well enough to use the phone, at least not with any sort of accuracy. It would be nice to be able to email.
I do understand why doctors are reluctant to 'embrace' email though. For one thing it means putting things in writing. A lot of them don't have fantastic writing skills to start with, and then once something is in writing it becomes subject to all sorts of interpretation or misinterpretation later.
There is still no substitute for the good old face to face doctors visit. When you are looking in someone's face, it is so much easier to know if they are understanding you and you are understanding them.
Well maybe with the exception of this last Monday. I couldn't get in to my regular doctor right away. I did get in to see another doctor in the practice who happens to also be my husbands doctor. I was nice to be able to meet him. Found he is from Iran. Charlie had tried to tell me but I never was clear on if he was saying Iran or Iraq. I do still lip read. Partly out of habit and partly out of necessity. We did get to having to use sign language (not ASL) for him to find out if I had a nebulizer at home. BTW it wasn't him. His English is great. But for some reason I find it difficult to read someone's lips if English or something similar is not their first language.
Jo
Califchief - 24 Apr 2008 08:00 GMT Nann wrote:
> I can really see that doctors would have to put strict limits on > what things can be addressed via email. There are plenty of > patients out there now who try to get diagnosed or treated > over the phone and I'm sure that would be the same with email. Cheapskates <BG>
There would have to limits, definitely agreed to in writing, before allowing email exchanges. No emergencies - that's what 9-1-1 is for
No diagnosing via email
No treating via email
No prescription for a new drug seen on TV
If a doctor has been seeing a patient 4, 6, 8 or more years and has a good relationship with the patient, I can see some benefits to using email.
It may be great to say, "I have a new minor/intermittent ache in my right arm (the knees have been painful for 12 years). It's not disabling, just annoying. Should I schedule an appointment now or wait until my next regular appointment x weeks from now."
(And I can see where even that could lead to troubles. It may not be anything related to a history of arthritis. If the RD says to wait and it's more serious, there's a liability problem popping up again.)
And it would be a fabulous time saver trying to get a new prescription for an Rx whose refills expired.
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