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Califchief - 23 Apr 2008 07:00 GMT
It's no LOL: Fewer than 1/3 of U.S. doctors answer
e-mails from patients; privacy is a concern
www.9-1-1.gov/communications
Tuesday, April 22, 2008         1:43 PM

WASHINGTON, D.C.  --  Suzanne Kreuziger is a registered nurse who uses
e-mail almost exclusively to communicate with friends.

But when it comes to reaching her doctor, there's a frustrating firewall.

The barrier is her doctor's own reluctance to talk to patients through
e-mail.

"It makes sense to me to have the words laid out, to be able to re-read,
to go back to it at a convenient time," the 34-year-old Milwaukee woman
recently wrote on a social networking site. "If I were able to ask my
physician questions this way, it would make my own health care much
easier."

Kreuziger's experience is shared by most Americans:  They want the
convenience of e-mail for non-urgent medical issues, but fewer than
a third of U.S. doctors use e-mail to communicate with patients,
according to recent physician surveys.

"People are able to file their taxes online, buy and sell household
goods, and manage their financial accounts," said Susannah Fox of
the Pew Internet & American Life Project. "The health care industry
seems to be lagging behind other industries."

Doctors have their reasons for not hitting the reply button more
often.

Some worry it will increase their workload, and most physicians don't
get reimbursed for it by insurance companies.

Others fear hackers could compromise patient privacy - even though
doctors who do e-mail generally do it through password-protected Web
sites.

There are also concerns that patients will send urgent messages that
don't get answered promptly. And any snafu raises the specter of
legal liability.

Asurvey conducted early last year by Manhattan Research found that
only 31% doctors e-mailed their patients in the 1st quarter of 2007.

Two major health insurers, Cigna Corp. and Aetna Inc., this year
expanded pilot programs that compensate doctors who use a secure
Internet site to make virtual house calls with patients. That
includes the ability to send encrypted e-mail, a move some hope
will increase the number of doctors who go digital.

Dr. Daniel Z. Sands, an assistant clinical professor at Harvard
Medical School, is among the early adopters who doesn't get paid
for e-visits.

He sees communicating with patients online as no different from
phoning them, a practice that also is not billable.

Since 2000, Sands has answered patient questions by logging onto a
password-protected Web site of the Harvard-affiliated Beth Israel
Deaconess Medical Center. He also sets his Treo to retrieve new
messages every 4 hours. He mostly gets e-mails from patients seeking
advice for new symptoms or updates from chronic disease sufferers.

Although Sands has had mostly positive experiences, one patient
bombarded him with e-mails. She became "pushy" and her messages
were sometimes threatening.

"We sort of had this fight back and forth through electronic
communication, which is absolutely the wrong thing to do. I should
have picked up the phone and called her. Any message that takes
more than two volleys back and forth should not be done by e-mail,"
Sands said.

The American Medical Association says e-mail should not replace
face-to-face time with patients. The group's etiquette guidelines
recommend talking to patients about the technology's limitations.

Most studies have shown patients don't abuse e-mail. They generally
don't deluge doctors with rambling messages, and Internet exchanges
may even help doctors' productivity and cut down on office visits.

For example, a 2007 University of Pittsburgh study published in the
journal Pediatrics followed 121 families who e-mailed their doctors.
Researchers found 40% of e-mails were sent after business hours and
only about 6% were urgent. Doctors received on average one e-mail a
day and responded 57% faster than by telephone.

A separate study by health care giant Kaiser Permanente published in
the American Journal of Managed Care last year found patients who
used its secure Web system were 7 to 10% less likely to schedule an
office visit. Patients also made 14% fewer phone calls than those who
did not use the online services.

Before e-mail can become as routine as a physical, doctors need to be
trained to handle confidential patient messages in the digital age,
some experts say. That would include learning to file e-mails in
patients' health records and instructing patients in the risks of
electronic messaging.

Kreuziger, the nurse who can't e-mail her doctor, works in a large
practice that also doesn't offer e-mail services. She often has to
phone patients to check on their blood-sugar levels or track them
down about an abnormal lab test _ a chore for a person who prefers
e-mail over the phone.

"I hate a ringing phone. It's an interruption," she said in an
interview.

Kreuziger and her colleagues recently asked patients about their
Internet needs. Of the 76 patients who responded to the
questionnaire, most said they would like e-mail access to
their doctors.

It's not the first time the medical field has been slow to embrace
technology. When the first telephones became widely available in
the late 1800s, doctors were concerned about being swamped with
calls.

Dr. Tom Delbanco, a primary care doctor at Beth Israel who e-mails
patients, believes it is just a matter of time before the technology
becomes a routine part of patient care.

"Medicine is very conservative. It changes slowly," he said.

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Ellie - 23 Apr 2008 13:53 GMT
Honestly I think one of the major reasons doctor's don't use email is
because if they answer the question via email, then you don't go in for
a visit and they can't charge a co-pay.  The doctor I just quit my job
with did that.  Wouldn't even talk to patients on the phone and would
mention to us (his staff) if I do that then I don't get a co-pay then he
would chuckle.  It was all I could do to bite my tongue. I quit working
for him because of some of those remarks and other reasons.

>  It's no LOL: Fewer than 1/3 of U.S. doctors answer
>  e-mails from patients; privacy is a concern
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Carole - 23 Apr 2008 17:52 GMT
> Honestly I think one of the major reasons doctor's don't use email is
> because if they answer the question via email, then you don't go in for
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> would chuckle.  It was all I could do to bite my tongue. I quit working
> for him because of some of those remarks and other reasons.

When I was a teacher, there was a science teacher in our school who used
to say that he became a teacher because of July and August, sick days,
snow days, personal days and holidays.

I guess you get them in all professions.

Carole
ANN M - 23 Apr 2008 19:34 GMT
I actually can see both sides of the story.  If a doctor gets $100 for
an office visit whether from the patient or from the insurance company,
why would he  want to spend his days on the phone for no reimbursement?
He has administrative costs, malpractice insurance, liability insurance
as well as paying back student loans and loans for equipment.
My doctors all used to return phone calls but now my GP has the girls
tell me to "come in today or tomorrow."  I don't like it, but I do
understand.
Ann
Harvey R. Stone - 24 Apr 2008 00:42 GMT
>I actually can see both sides of the story.  If a doctor gets $100 for
> an office visit whether from the patient or from the insurance company,
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> understand.
> Ann

and I feel the same way.....  Someone has to pay for the lawsuits, insurance
against lawsuits even for the BEST doctors who really want to help the
people that come through their door.    Email with an on going patient
problems can be a blessing and finding a doctor that is willing to do this
is a hard find,,,,,,, and I do not blame them  but I can praise those that
will and do.
Harv
Donna G. - 24 Apr 2008 04:52 GMT
I am so blessed and have always had wonderful doctors who really do
their best to care for their patients.  I am also very blessed to have 3
of my doctors who do do email with their patients.

The doctors who do email with their patients, required the patients to
sign a contract that says you realize that the emails may not be
responded to for up to 2-3 days, that you can not use the email for
urgent or complicated issues, that others in the office may see the
emial, and that the emails will be treated like phone messages with
copies of the email placed in your chart.  This helps cover some of the
liability issues as well as the emails being set up with encrypted and
password protected email addresses.  And, yes, sometimes you are still
asked to come in for an appointment.

In some cases, I think the communication via email can actually save a
doctor money in the long run.  First of all, the doctor can address the
emails when ever it is convenient for him/her to do so.  I have gotten
responses to my emails at 12:30 at night sometimes.  Second, if you are
requesting a prescription refill or some other type of easy thing, the
doctor can just take care of it and it is much quicker than having to
call the patient and try to catch up with them or perhaps playing phone
tag for several days.  Third, I have found it saves a lot of time for
both myself and the doctor by doing email, because when you have a
question and it has to go through the front desk, then to the nurse,
then to the doctor, you often lose half of what the original question or
message was really all  about.  By asking the question yourself,
directly, via email, the doctor gets the full clear meaning and can then
respond accordingly.  Also, sometimes it is just a question that
requires clarification of medication directions that if the doctor
responds to the email, the patient is more likely to do what they were
told then not.   There have been times by just asking a quick question
via email has saved me from going in and tying up an appointment that
could be used for someone else who needs the appointment more!

I can see both sides of the coin here, but I also appreciate so much
being able to email with the doctors of mine that are willing to do so,
as it truly does make my life much easier and I think at times it also
makes the doctors life a bit easier than having to pick up a phone.  One
of my doctors responds to his emails often times when he is at his kids
sporting events, when he is sitting in a hotel room, in flight to a
destination, or doing other activities that he might not otherwise be
able to do if he had to stay at his office and call patients back on the
phone!

In any case, I do in the long run think that this is the way of the
future and for me personally, it has worked out well.

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Donna
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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.)    J.K.M.A.
Donna G. - 24 Apr 2008 05:45 GMT
Nann Bell - 24 Apr 2008 05:45 GMT
I can really see that doctors would have to put strict limits on what things
can be addressed via email.  There are plenty of patients out there now who
try to get diagnosed or treated over the phone and I'm sure that would be the
same with email.  I do wish though that more doctor's offices would let you
do some stuff via email rather than on the phone.  I really burned up our
long distance minutes last year with all my cross-state doctors.  I also can
say things more clearly in an email than on voice mail.    

My RD in Boston geve me her email to use if I needed her that last summer
when scheduling and traveling issues kept cropping up.  Something did come
up, I emailed her and she had them fit me in, off the books, for a quick 5
minutes to cover it.  I gotta admit it was great.

Now, some of the docs my brother and SIL see will let them fax in a list of
questions and they will come up with he answers.  It works really well for
them.

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Nann
remove the Gator cheer to email me
       Change everything. Love & forgive.

>> I actually can see both sides of the story.  If a doctor gets $100 for
>> an office visit whether from the patient or from the insurance company,
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> will and do.
> Harv
Donna G. - 24 Apr 2008 07:05 GMT
That reminds me, Nann, sometimes if I don't want to forget to talk to
the doctor about something, I will email a list of things I want to
cover or a list of prescription refills I need before arriving, this
gives the doctor time to fill out the prescriptions before I get there
as well as think about answers before I arrive.  They seem to like
knowing ahead of time what you want to discuss.

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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.)    J.K.M.A.
Nann Bell - 24 Apr 2008 13:51 GMT
yeah, my bro and SIL have used the faxing option to send in appt. questions
ahead of time, also.  They say much the same as you - it helps on both sides
when there is a list of questions to cover.
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Nann
remove the Gator cheer to email me
       Change everything. Love & forgive.

> That reminds me, Nann, sometimes if I don't want to forget to talk to
> the doctor about something, I will email a list of things I want to
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> 2.)    J.K.M.A.
Jo Firey - 23 Apr 2008 22:19 GMT
> Honestly I think one of the major reasons doctor's don't use email is
> because if they answer the question via email, then you don't go in for a
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> chuckle.  It was all I could do to bite my tongue. I quit working for him
> because of some of those remarks and other reasons.

I've never had a doctor that wouldn't return a phone call, though often
they do have to wait for later in the day and try to return all calls in a
short period of time.

Now however its become a problem.  Since I don't hear well enough to use
the phone, at least not with any sort of accuracy.  It would be nice to be
able to email.

I do understand why doctors are reluctant to 'embrace' email though.  For
one thing it means putting things in writing.  A lot of them don't have
fantastic writing skills to start with, and then once something is in
writing it becomes subject to all sorts of interpretation or
misinterpretation later.

There is still no substitute for the good old face to face doctors visit.
When you are looking in someone's face, it is so much easier to know if
they are understanding you and you are understanding them.

Well maybe with the exception of this last Monday.  I couldn't get in to my
regular doctor right away.  I did get in to see another doctor in the
practice who happens to also be my husbands doctor.  I was nice to be able
to meet him.  Found he is from Iran.  Charlie had tried to tell me but I
never was clear on if he was saying Iran or Iraq.  I do still lip read.
Partly out of habit and partly out of necessity.  We did get to having to
use sign language (not ASL) for him to find out if I had a nebulizer at
home.  BTW it wasn't him.  His English is great.  But for some reason I
find it difficult to read someone's lips if English or something similar is
not their first language.

Jo
Califchief - 24 Apr 2008 08:00 GMT
Nann wrote:

> I can really see that doctors would have to put strict limits on
> what things can be addressed via email.  There are plenty of
> patients out there now who try to get diagnosed or treated
> over the phone and I'm sure that would be the same with email.

Cheapskates <BG>

There would have to limits, definitely agreed to in writing,
before allowing email exchanges.

       No emergencies - that's what 9-1-1 is for

       No diagnosing via email

       No treating via email

       No prescription for a new drug seen on TV

If a doctor has been seeing a patient 4, 6, 8 or more
years and has a good relationship with the patient, I
can see some benefits to using email.

It may be great to say, "I have a new minor/intermittent
ache in my right arm (the knees have been painful for 12
years).  It's not disabling, just annoying.  Should I
schedule an appointment now or wait until my next regular
appointment x weeks from now."

(And I can see where even that could lead to troubles. It
may not be anything related to a history of arthritis. If
the RD says to wait and it's more serious, there's a
liability problem popping up again.)

And it would be a fabulous time saver trying to get a new
prescription for an Rx whose refills expired.

... Diets are for those who are thick and tired of it.  
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