Dorothy wrote:
(These are sugar-coasted answers as others were)
> My very good friend just received a diagnosis for her joint
> pain and has gone into a serious funk.
> She's 64 and feels that is too young to be limited by arthritis
> or condemned to a life of dangerous pain suppressing drugs.
Has she ever heard of JRA - Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis?
Has she ever heard of babies being born with arthritis?
How young is a person to be "too young to be limited by
arthritis and condemned to a life of drugs?"
> While most of us just accept wear and tear as a part of
> aging, she is becoming genuinely depressed.
What is her doctor(s) doing to help her? Anything? A good
doctor will recognize symptoms of depression and offer help.
"Are you depressed" was one of the questions my rheumatologist
asked at my last appointment April 7th. I don't know if I was
giving off vibes that suggested depression, but I'm certainly
not depressed.
> I've tried telling her that it would have been a great deal
> worse if she had developed rheumatoid at a much younger age,
> but there seems to be no consoling her.
I wish she could meet the young 28-year-old lady who has had
THREE joint replacements (shoulder and hip).
Does this young gal feel too young? Is she depressed?
Hell, NO! She speaks about joint replacements at Arthritis
Foundation support group meetings (and must be 44 today).
> Perhaps it is just the 'fact' that she's aging that has her down.
I didn't get the notion that I was aging when diagnosed with
ankylosing spondylitis (AS) at the age of 39. Most folks who
have AS are diagnosed prior to their 40th birthday. I got in
just under the wire. <g>
> Has anyone here experienced such a down swing, or know of
> anyone who has, and how it can be overcome?
One fellow, whom CBS filmed a made-for-TV movie about (Anatomy
of an Illness), bought a ton of 30's - 60's cartoons and movies,
locked himself in a den, and laughed his fool head to recovery.
He was watching 3 Stooges, Abbott & Costello, Porky Pig, Road
Runner, Bugs Bunny, Slyvester & Tweety, Chip & Dale, etc etc
etc etc, to overcome any "down swing" he may have developed.
I haven't seen any hint of where your friend is located.
Has she ever heard of the Arthritis Foundation? Does she know
about its web site and free material the AF offers? Does she
know if a local/nearby chapter exists? Has she ever hears of
the PACE program?
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High Miles - 21 Apr 2008 14:17 GMT
> Has she ever heard of JRA - Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis?
>
> Has she ever heard of babies being born with arthritis?
Believe me - she doesn't give a rat's a.s about anyone else.
To her, this is worse than a death sentence.
> How young is a person to be "too young to be limited by
> arthritis and condemned to a life of drugs?"
She feels that she is, and that's really all that matters to her.
> > While most of us just accept wear and tear as a part of
> > aging, she is becoming genuinely depressed.
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> giving off vibes that suggested depression, but I'm certainly
> not depressed.
She just got the diagnosis.
The doc gave her written information and made some suggestions
but she wasn't ready to discuss practical solutions.
She was beyond depressed. Picture...............anger and sorrow.
> > I've tried telling her that it would have been a great deal
> > worse if she had developed rheumatoid at a much younger age,
> > but there seems to be no consoling her.
>
> I wish she could meet the young 28-year-old lady who has had
> THREE joint replacements (shoulder and hip).
What others experience does not interest her just now.
Heroic tales won't lessen her burden until she gets over this
initial phase.
> > Perhaps it is just the 'fact' that she's aging that has her down.
>
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> I haven't seen any hint of where your friend is located.
In the Chicago area. Tons of first rate docs on every hand.
> Has she ever heard of the Arthritis Foundation? Does she know
> about its web site and free material the AF offers? Does she
> know if a local/nearby chapter exists? Has she ever hears of
> the PACE program?
She hasn't heard of or looked into anything yet. This is BRAND
NEW for her. She was in total denial about what her increasing
discomfort might indicate.
While some of us are able to take whatever comes along and just
deal with it, others are less emotionally flexible and take almost
any disappointment with much anguish and drama.
I'm sure she'll cool down and get on with whatever steps should
be next for her. It's just her present state of mind that I am
concerned about.
Jumping on to anti depressants is not always the best solution.
I know everyone today wants a magic bullet, but when it comes
to psychotropics for every down turn, it really represents over kill.
People have to try to resolve things on their own before giving
in to mind or attitude altering substances.
Joan Carter - 21 Apr 2008 16:18 GMT
>What others experience does not interest her just now.
>Heroic tales won't lessen her burden until she gets over this
>initial phase.
No, she needs to grieve, to rant and rave or whatever.
Joan
Diane - 21 Apr 2008 19:23 GMT
i agree with you, dorothy, and everyone else who said she needs time.
my only concern is --exactly how depressed is she? you mentioned she
saw this as the worst thing that could happen to her. just be on the
lookout for suicidal thoughts.
diane
High Miles - 21 Apr 2008 20:37 GMT
> i agree with you, dorothy, and everyone else who said she needs time.
> my only concern is --exactly how depressed is she? you mentioned she
> saw this as the worst thing that could happen to her. just be on the
> lookout for suicidal thoughts.
>
> diane
She's a drama queen Diane. When her car had to have major repairs
she was distraught for days - wailing that it would never be the same.
Also, suicide is not an issue for her. I'm just hoping she pops out of
it and starts looking for all the positive things that can be done to make
her feel better physically.
I'm still going to try to get her to read and post to this group.
It would definitely be good for her.
When she's ready to admit that she's 64 and has arthritis that is.
Dorothy
Harvey R. Stone - 22 Apr 2008 04:03 GMT
>> i agree with you, dorothy, and everyone else who said she needs time.
>> my only concern is --exactly how depressed is she? you mentioned she
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> Dorothy
That's good Dorothy but Diane have given good watch for information. Please
watch without being noticed your friend.
Harv
High Miles - 21 Apr 2008 20:21 GMT
>> What others experience does not interest her just now.
>> Heroic tales won't lessen her burden until she gets over this
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> Joan
Hey - she's doing a bang up job so far.
I told her I'd give her a couple of weeks and then it's off to
Susie's house of pain for some PT - which her doc says
will help a lot.
Dorothy
Jo Firey - 21 Apr 2008 19:18 GMT
> Jumping on to anti depressants is not always the best solution.
> I know everyone today wants a magic bullet, but when it comes
> to psychotropics for every down turn, it really represents over kill.
> People have to try to resolve things on their own before giving
> in to mind or attitude altering substances.
Granted its probably too soon for her to wrap her mind around next steps,
but I do want to try to give you a different perspective on
anti-depressants, or possibly psychotropics as you call them.
I'm not a doctor. Just been a patient for an awful long time.
As a comparison, without pain and some medication that is necessary for
other conditions, my blood pressure would be just fine. But I don't live
in that world and it isn't, so every day along with my other stuff I take
blood pressure medicine.
Without pain, stress etc. I likely would only have intermittent problems
with depression. Even then with my family history of depression and
varying degrees of bi-polar problems it is no surprise that life has more
than its share of ups and downs. No matter what is going on in the world
around me. I've also been blessed with migraines in the gene pool and I
didn't leave them there.
As a consequence as I understand it, while my brain (think of it here as
just an organ like a pancreas) might or might not produce the amount of
seratonin I need to function, sometimes I burn it off and there isn't
enough left. Paxil, an antidepressant, helps to keep those seratonin
levels more normal and as a consequence I feel better. For reasons I do
not understand it also keeps migraines at bay for me.
Now there have been times when I've gone through depressions that took all
the color out of my life. The first time it happened I had no reason to
think my life wasn't always going to be like that. And looking ahead at a
lifetime like that was pretty near intolerable. After the first time, it
wasn't as bad. Yes I felt just as bad, but then I knew it wasn't going to
be forever. With anti-depressants, I don't have to go there.
It really physically is no different than taking a drug to help your body
when it won't produce or metabolize insulin properly. Just a different
organ and a different chemical.
The brain is far more than just thought processes, reason and personality.
It also regulates the very complex organism this is us. And just like the
thyroid or pancreas or adrenal glands, sometimes it needs some help to do
its job properly.
Jo
High Miles - 21 Apr 2008 20:33 GMT
>> Jumping on to anti depressants is not always the best solution.
>> I know everyone today wants a magic bullet, but when it comes
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> Jo
I very much agree.
It's just that in her case, the depression is caused by not getting her way
and being the healthy thirty or forty year old she imagined herself to be.
She's had no history of true depression and thankfully has never done
the self medicating thing to cheer herself up.
Believe it or not, sometimes mood elevators can limit the autonomic
activity of parts of the brain and so impair physical functions.
Some affect balance and others impact REM sleep.
It's really better not to start them unless a psychiatrist does a complete
eval on the background of the condition and general health.
GPs simply are not qualified to hand out some of the drugs they do,
because they're not aware of how the entire organism will be affected.
Some depression may only need a boot in the butt to shake it lose.
Dorothy
nanny - 22 Apr 2008 03:55 GMT
I so agree with you, Jo! Depression is in our family genes, too. I've been
taking antidepressants (Paxil & Doxepin) for nearly 30 years. My hubby is
diabetic, and I suspect he will also be on certain meds the rest of his
life. Nanny
>> Jumping on to anti depressants is not always the best solution.
>> I know everyone today wants a magic bullet, but when it comes
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> Jo
Califchief - 22 Apr 2008 09:00 GMT
Dorothy wrote:
> Jumping on to anti depressants is not always the best solution.
> I know everyone today wants a magic bullet, but when it comes to
> psychotropics for every down turn, it really represents over kill.
I am confused.
How did this turn into talk about anti-depresants and psychotropics?
Joe N.
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Califchief - 22 Apr 2008 09:00 GMT
Dorothy replied after Nann asked:
>> Have you had any physical therapy to help with the weakness
> Not this time. I want to find out if Medicare will pay
> before I dive in.
Medicare will pay for 6 PT sessions per year.
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