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d'huit - 20 Apr 2008 03:06 GMT my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong swimmer and a hunting and fishing guide. he was out in his boat fishing this morning, when he lost his balance, fell overboard and drowned. this is a huge shock and blow to our family, as gene was well-loved by all of us. please say a prayer for joanie, as she adored her husband; and i'm certain she will have a difficult time grieving and adjusting. thank you.
kate
Harvey R. Stone - 20 Apr 2008 03:37 GMT > my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed > away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kate Oh, I hate calls like that,,,, especially when you have to ask yourself,, how could this of happened,,, really cold water could of helped some... in my prayers for strength and understanding. Harv
Donna G. - 20 Apr 2008 03:37 GMT Oh, man, kate, I am so so sorry!!! My prayers and sympathies with you, Joan, and your entire families!!!
You certainly have had to endure enough death and grief these last couple of years!!!
Peace, strength, and courage during this most difficult of times!!!
Hugs,
. . . .
Donna . . . . 1.) ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
2.) J.K.M.A.
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 20 Apr 2008 03:39 GMT Kate, may Joan feel God's presence very near helping her through this very sorrowful time. I know it is a blow to all the family, and my condolences to all. Gwen
> my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed > away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kate Kelly C. - 20 Apr 2008 03:49 GMT (((Kate, Joan & extended family)))
I'm so sorry this happened.:(
Kelly C.
> my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed > away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kate Jo Firey - 20 Apr 2008 04:26 GMT I'm so sorry. It will be so hard for all Gene's family and loved ones to deal with such a sudden and unexpected loss.
Prayers for Joanie and for you all on the way.
Jo
> my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, > passed [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > kate shenmei9wise@gmail.com - 20 Apr 2008 05:26 GMT > I'm so sorry. It will be so hard for all Gene's family and loved ones to > deal with such a sudden and unexpected loss. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > > kate {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Kate, Joan and Family}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
Prayers for all of you
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ANN M - 20 Apr 2008 14:11 GMT My sincere sympathy to your family Kate. Sudden death is so hard for the loved ones to endure.
Ann
Diane - 20 Apr 2008 05:33 GMT Kate, how tragic. I'm so very sorry for joan and your family. You're all in my prayers.
Diane
nanny - 20 Apr 2008 05:51 GMT I'm so sorry for all of you. Probably since he was such a sportsman, you would never expect that drowning took his life. Nanny
> my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed > away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kate d'huit - 21 Apr 2008 07:12 GMT I'm so sorry for all of you. Probably since he was such a sportsman, you would never expect that drowning took his life. Nanny
that was exactly why we didn't expect it. thank you for your kind thoughts, nanny.
kate
> my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed > away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kate DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 20 Apr 2008 17:18 GMT You have our prayers.
DeeTee
> my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed > away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kate Kate - 20 Apr 2008 18:05 GMT > my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed > away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > kate Praying for comfort for Joanie and all the family Kate
Carole - 20 Apr 2008 18:55 GMT > my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed > away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > kate I'm so sorry, Kate. I will keep all of you in my prayers.
BIG HUGS, Carole
RhondaM - 20 Apr 2008 20:17 GMT OH my goodness.. tell Joan my heart is really sad for her today. I am so sorry Joan. My God bless you and keep you and your family in this time of loss.
RhondaM
> my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed > away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kate d'huit - 20 Apr 2008 20:31 GMT thank you, all of you very dear and loving people. they do need your prayers.
frankly, i am amazed that my sister-in-law could call me at all, so soon on the heels of her learning of her beloved's death. obviously, joan was in extreme shock and distress when she called. i know i was in shock at the news and could not think clearly on my feet, because of my own disbelief (not that i doubted joan. it was that gene's death and how he died was simply inconceivable to me in that moment.). so, it had to take heroic effort on joan's part to even call me.
later yesterday, when i was more clearheaded, i called my neice, joan's daughter, who's account is somewhat different. my neice said that her brother (who lives with gene and joan) told her gene had been fly fishing with a friend, on the banks of a high and fast running river on the cal-neva border. it's a little confusing, because his friend has lost sight of gene. so, his friend didn't know if gene waded out, further downriver, and fell, or if gene slipped from the bank into the water. it's also not known if a heart attack precipitated gene's fall into the water, whether from the bank or while wading and this is being speculated about by the family (survivors need explanations/reasons in an emotional attempt to fill in the holes left in their hearts when they lose someone they love.). it sounded to me like gene was wearing chestwaders, which the river could easily have filled and pulled him down river.
gene had the only cellphone, between him and his friend. his friend couldn't reach gene, from where he spotted him lying on the opposite bank downriver. his friend had to drive, fly like a bat out of hell, to the nearest town to call for help. gene was on the calif. side of the border when the medi-copter finally got to him and could not resusitate him.
because gene was on the calif. side, joan can't see him for two days (i have no idea what that is about--i'm guessing autopsy is being required by calif. law.) and that is extremely distressing for her. and calif. law states she can't bring gene home to nevada until he is either cremated or embalmed, which i think is the case for most states.
my neice, while emotionally overwrought, also mentioned this is the one year anniversary of her mother's/joan's thyroid cancer treatment. joan was to go through or was already going through the month-long restrictive diet to be retested. and my neice said that joan "will have to undergo another low dose radiation pill treatment" and all that entails--for all of that, in the past, gene was the steadying influence that kept everything/everyone balanced and on track for joan. i'm thinking that "will have to undergo . . ." stuff depends upon the results of the retesting, and is probably more of a "might have to undergo . . .". it also sounds like all of that is going to be put on hold, because of this overwhelming event. the family is in shock at the moment. so, everything, understandably, seems to be running together in a confusing disarray of emotions and facts.
thank you again, for your prayers, thoughts and dearness.
kate
my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong swimmer and a hunting and fishing guide. he was out in his boat fishing this morning, when he lost his balance, fell overboard and drowned. this is a huge shock and blow to our family, as gene was well-loved by all of us. please say a prayer for joanie, as she adored her husband; and i'm certain she will have a difficult time grieving and adjusting. thank you.
kate
Diane - 20 Apr 2008 21:44 GMT kate, i'm thinking joan called you so quickly because you too have lost a spouse and would know how she feels. it's all so heartbreaking.
diane
d'huit - 21 Apr 2008 06:00 GMT kate, i'm thinking joan called you so quickly because you too have lost a spouse and would know how she feels. it's all so heartbreaking.
diane
perhaps. it is heartbreaking. definitely is that, diane.
kate
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 20 Apr 2008 21:47 GMT I can only imagine how disturbing it is to Joan not to be able to see Gene for two days. It seems that everything is just conspiring against them in making it harder than it would be anyway. I do hope it will be determined how he died and what caused it. If they do an autopsy, that should furnish that information. This is just really heartbreaking. Gwen
> thank you, all of you very dear and loving people. they do need your > prayers. [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > kate d'huit - 21 Apr 2008 06:01 GMT I can only imagine how disturbing it is to Joan not to be able to see Gene for two days. It seems that everything is just conspiring against them in making it harder than it would be anyway. I do hope it will be determined how he died and what caused it. If they do an autopsy, that should furnish that information. This is just really heartbreaking. Gwen
yeah, it is . . . disturbing, harder, and heartbreaking, gwenie.
kate
> thank you, all of you very dear and loving people. they do need your > prayers. [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > > kate Joan Carter - 20 Apr 2008 21:54 GMT Kate, this sounds just dreadful. And to know Joanie can't even see her husband for two days.... hugs to the whole family and to you.
Joan
>my neice, while emotionally overwrought, also mentioned this is the one year >anniversary of her mother's/joan's thyroid cancer treatment. joan was to go [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >shock at the moment. so, everything, understandably, seems to be running >together in a confusing disarray of emotions and facts. d'huit - 21 Apr 2008 06:03 GMT Kate, this sounds just dreadful. And to know Joanie can't even see her husband for two days.... hugs to the whole family and to you.
Joan
it feels dreadful, too. thank you for your hugs, joan. they are appreciated.
kate
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:31:59 -0700, "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:
>my neice, while emotionally overwrought, also mentioned this is the one >year [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >shock at the moment. so, everything, understandably, seems to be running >together in a confusing disarray of emotions and facts. Jo Firey - 21 Apr 2008 01:11 GMT > thank you, all of you very dear and loving people. they do need your > prayers. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > simply inconceivable to me in that moment.). so, it had to take heroic > effort on joan's part to even call me. Do I understand that Joan is Butch's sister?
If so, it makes perfect sense that she called you. Not just that she felt she could talk to you, but it was a way to reach out to her brother.
Also, sometimes you have to make the hardest calls quickly or you know you won't be able to do it at all.
Still praying for strength and peace for all of you with all the trials that are still ahead. I hope the authorities are as kind and understanding as they can possibly be for everyone.
Jo
d'huit - 21 Apr 2008 05:59 GMT > thank you, all of you very dear and loving people. they do need your > prayers. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > simply inconceivable to me in that moment.). so, it had to take heroic > effort on joan's part to even call me. Do I understand that Joan is Butch's sister?
If so, it makes perfect sense that she called you. Not just that she felt she could talk to you, but it was a way to reach out to her brother.
Also, sometimes you have to make the hardest calls quickly or you know you won't be able to do it at all.
Still praying for strength and peace for all of you with all the trials that are still ahead. I hope the authorities are as kind and understanding as they can possibly be for everyone.
Jo
yes, jo. joan is butch's sister, the eldest of the two by 11 months. though joanie and i have been much like sisters these past 34 years. one of us phones the other of us every weekend. it feels like it's a little bit of each of what several have suggested.
thanks for your prayers and kind thoughts, jo.
kate
Jo Firey - 21 Apr 2008 06:21 GMT >> thank you, all of you very dear and loving people. they do need your >> prayers. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > kate I felt after I wrote that I was too quick to dump my emotions on someone else. As adults my brother and I didn't see each other very often. But the first call either of us made when something happened in our lives was to each other. We were online together on 9/11 while he tracked down his wife and kids by phone and then tried to figure our how or if to get out of downtown Washington DC himself. His daughter regularly traveled to the financial district of NY, but wasn't there that day.
And there were days I called to talk to him just because. Because I really needed to talk to someone that I knew absolutely liked me and loved me and would forgive me anything. There are days its hard to feel that acceptance from your spouse and kids. I knew I had that from him and he had that from me.
My sister and I are getting closer. In part because she misses him the way I do. But I still, when there is something I really need to talk out with someone, by brother isn't there anymore and I really miss him.
Jo
d'huit - 21 Apr 2008 06:42 GMT > "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in message > news:Ooydnc060cuoB5bVnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com... [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > kate I felt after I wrote that I was too quick to dump my emotions on someone else. As adults my brother and I didn't see each other very often. But the first call either of us made when something happened in our lives was to each other. We were online together on 9/11 while he tracked down his wife and kids by phone and then tried to figure our how or if to get out of downtown Washington DC himself. His daughter regularly traveled to the financial district of NY, but wasn't there that day.
And there were days I called to talk to him just because. Because I really needed to talk to someone that I knew absolutely liked me and loved me and would forgive me anything. There are days its hard to feel that acceptance from your spouse and kids. I knew I had that from him and he had that from me.
My sister and I are getting closer. In part because she misses him the way I do. But I still, when there is something I really need to talk out with someone, by brother isn't there anymore and I really miss him.
Jo
(((((((((((((((((((((jo))))))))))))))))))) i sort of know how much you must miss your brother, jo. i lost my brother when he was 42. two years apart (me, the eldest), we were playmates, co-conspirators, athletic rivals, defenders of each other, explorers/adventurers of the world around us together, "creative geniuses" together<smile>, pranksters, choirmates, drama classmates (in plays and talent shows together; even in one musical band together), tourmates, confidentes, heroes to each other, close friends . . . it's very hard to lose a brother you were that close to.
fyi -- personally, i didn't feel dumped on, jo. please don't concern yourself about that.
kate
Nann Bell - 21 Apr 2008 16:17 GMT > I felt after I wrote that I was too quick to dump my emotions on someone > else. As adults my brother and I didn't see each other very often. But > the first call either of us made when something happened in our lives was > to each other. You certainly aren' alone in that, Jo. I come from a close family, but we aren't close in the sense that we talk, or even email, constantly. It's more of a closeness that we know is always there so we don't *need* to be in touch as often. Then when something spurs some communication, it often turns into a flurry that goes many directions until we get too occupied with other stuff.
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Nann Bell - 21 Apr 2008 16:17 GMT > frankly, i am amazed that my sister-in-law could call me at all, so soon on > the heels of her learning of her beloved's death. obviously, joan was in > extreme shock and distress when she called. At that point you are just acting on instinct, the shock won't let you think. Obviously, some part of Joan told her you'd be an understanding and healthful-for-her person to call.
> later yesterday, when i was more clearheaded, i called my neice, joan's > daughter, who's account is somewhat different. my neice said that her > brother (who lives with gene and joan) told her gene had been fly fishing > with a friend, on the banks of a high and fast running river on the cal-neva > border. it's a little confusing, because his friend has lost sight of gene. Oh, dear. The poor friend will be dealing with feelings of guilt, I'm sure, no matter how unreasonable hey might be. I pray that the "what-ifs" don't eat him up.
> because gene was on the calif. side, joan can't see him for two days (i have > no idea what that is about--i'm guessing autopsy is being required by calif. > law.) n autopsy might at least provide some answers. And if it turns out Gene had something that could not have been treated even if he were at a hospital, it can ease a lot of guilt. It surprises me though that they won't even let her see him. Just to see him, maybe touch his face, and say good-bye.
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d'huit - 26 Apr 2008 00:34 GMT On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:31:59 -0400, d'huit wrote (in message <Ooydnc060cuoB5bVnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@comcast.com>):
> frankly, i am amazed that my sister-in-law could call me at all, so soon > on > the heels of her learning of her beloved's death. obviously, joan was in > extreme shock and distress when she called. At that point you are just acting on instinct, the shock won't let you think. Obviously, some part of Joan told her you'd be an understanding and healthful-for-her person to call.
> later yesterday, when i was more clearheaded, i called my neice, joan's > daughter, who's account is somewhat different. my neice said that her [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > border. it's a little confusing, because his friend has lost sight of > gene. Oh, dear. The poor friend will be dealing with feelings of guilt, I'm sure, no matter how unreasonable hey might be. I pray that the "what-ifs" don't eat him up.
> because gene was on the calif. side, joan can't see him for two days (i > have > no idea what that is about--i'm guessing autopsy is being required by > calif. > law.) n autopsy might at least provide some answers. And if it turns out Gene had something that could not have been treated even if he were at a hospital, it can ease a lot of guilt. It surprises me though that they won't even let her see him. Just to see him, maybe touch his face, and say good-bye.
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was told last night that the autopsy report indicated that a massive heart attack did precipitate gene's drowning. somehow, gene's doctors didn't find anything that there were any potential heart related issues with his health. he was given a clean bill of health at his last annual physical in january. joanie said the night before he went fishing gene told her his right (not his left) shoulder ached. he was an avid skier and golfer, too, and went golfing two days before the fishing outing. he thought he pulled a muscle in that shoulder playing golf. of course, she wondered if that had been a portent.
kate
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 26 Apr 2008 02:01 GMT Kate, that probably was his heart causing the pain. My right arm hurt terribly when I had my heart attack. I thought sure I had indigestion when it started! Gwen
> frankly, i am amazed that my sister-in-law could call me at all, so soon > on > the heels of her learning of her beloved's death. obviously, joan was in > extreme shock and distress when she called. At that point you are just acting on instinct, the shock won't let you think. Obviously, some part of Joan told her you'd be an understanding and healthful-for-her person to call.
> later yesterday, when i was more clearheaded, i called my neice, joan's > daughter, who's account is somewhat different. my neice said that her [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > border. it's a little confusing, because his friend has lost sight of > gene. Oh, dear. The poor friend will be dealing with feelings of guilt, I'm sure, no matter how unreasonable hey might be. I pray that the "what-ifs" don't eat him up.
> because gene was on the calif. side, joan can't see him for two days (i > have > no idea what that is about--i'm guessing autopsy is being required by > calif. > law.) n autopsy might at least provide some answers. And if it turns out Gene had something that could not have been treated even if he were at a hospital, it can ease a lot of guilt. It surprises me though that they won't even let her see him. Just to see him, maybe touch his face, and say good-bye.
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was told last night that the autopsy report indicated that a massive heart attack did precipitate gene's drowning. somehow, gene's doctors didn't find anything that there were any potential heart related issues with his health. he was given a clean bill of health at his last annual physical in january. joanie said the night before he went fishing gene told her his right (not his left) shoulder ached. he was an avid skier and golfer, too, and went golfing two days before the fishing outing. he thought he pulled a muscle in that shoulder playing golf. of course, she wondered if that had been a portent.
kate
RoseB - 20 Apr 2008 20:41 GMT I am so sorry to hear your news Kate, My thoughts and prayers are with your family during this difficult time. Rose @}->-- Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it.
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Navy - 21 Apr 2008 02:57 GMT Kate, I am so very sorry to hear your news. Hugs and prayers for all your family and Gene's.
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> my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed > away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kate Nann Bell - 21 Apr 2008 16:17 GMT (((((((((((((Joan))))))))))) (((((((((((((kate))))))))))))) May those who loved Gene find comfort in their memories of this vibrant man and in their loving circle of family and friends.
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Squirrely - 23 Apr 2008 05:33 GMT So sorry to hear this Kate, prayers coming that way for all survivors of Gene. Prayers for his family, friends, and all.
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> my sil, joan called me today to let me know that her husband, gene, passed > away unexpectedly this morning. gene was quite an outdoorsman, strong [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > kate jb - 25 Apr 2008 13:44 GMT Sending my condolences. janice
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