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RoseB - 12 Mar 2008 01:33 GMT Rheumatoid Arthritis Drugs May Lower Heart Attack, Stroke Risk
THURSDAY, March 6 (HealthDay News) -- People taking medications for rheumatoid arthritis may also be reducing their risk of heart attack and stroke, a new study suggests.
People with rheumatoid arthritis (RA), which causes pain, swelling, stiffness and loss of function in the joints, face a greater risk of cardiovascular disease, because it can lead to hardening of the arteries. Heart attack and stroke can occur 10 years earlier than in people without the condition, the researchers said.
By taking medications that reduce the inflammation caused by rheumatoid arthritis, the risk of heart attack and stroke may be significantly reduced, the study authors said.
"Our study demonstrated that the time of exposure both to disease-modifying anti-rheumatic drugs and biological agents is associated with a reduction of the risk of cardiovascular events," said lead researcher Dr. Antonio Naranjo, of the Universidad de Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, in Spain.
Those drugs include common RA medications such as methotrexate, sulfasalazine, glucocorticoids, leflunomide and biological agents such as TNF-alpha blockers, the researchers noted.
Naranjo said doctors know that by controlling the chronic inflammation caused by rheumatoid arthritis, it's possible to reduce cardiovascular risk. "The practical consequence of our work is that in patients with RA, especially in the most severe cases, both the classic cardiovascular risk factors and the inflammatory activity of the disease need to be controlled," he said.
For the study, Naranjo's team analyzed data on 4,363 patients who took part in the Quantitative Patient Questionnaires in Standard Monitoring of Patients with Rheumatoid Arthritis study. The researchers found that taking drugs such as methotrexate lowered the risk of a heart attack or stroke. For example, RA patients taking methotrexate for one year can reduce their risk of heart attack by 18 percent and stroke by 11 percent, the investigators reported.
"Methotrexate, other disease-modifying anti-rheumatic drugs and biologic agents could reduce the extra risk of myocardial infarction [heart attack] and stroke that patients with rheumatoid arthritis have by controlling inflammation," Naranjo said.
The findings were published in the March 5 issue of Arthritis Research & Therapy.
One heart expert thinks this retrospective study is intriguing, but it didn't really determine if the medications for controlling inflammation actually lowered the risk of heart attack and stroke.
"While certain associations are shown between the use of anti-inflammatory agents and prior cardiovascular events in patients with rheumatoid arthritis, a cause-and-effect relationship cannot be demonstrated in this type of study," said Dr. Gregg C. Fonarow, a professor of cardiology at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Prospective data and, ultimately, prospective randomized clinical trials are needed before any firm conclusions can be drawn about whether these drugs really lower the risk of heart attack and stroke, he said.
SOURCES: Antonio Naranjo, M.D., Universidad de Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Spain; Gregg C. Fonarow, M.D., professor, cardiology, University of California, Los Angeles; March 5, 2008, Arthritis Research & Therapy
Publish Date: March 06, 200 Rose @}>->-- Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it. RB
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Harvey R. Stone - 12 Mar 2008 03:52 GMT Good news for a change on the drug front. Thanks Rose... Harv
> Rheumatoid Arthritis Drugs May Lower Heart Attack, Stroke Risk > [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Please remove "Ima" to reply. Donald Whitely - 13 Mar 2008 15:25 GMT Good news and bad news if you are including Embrel in that list of drugs which has the lymphoma side effect. A long time Embrel user, I ended up with Non Hodgkin's Lymphoma which, if my Doctor had not caught it at that particular moment in time I would not be writing this.
I will agree that I have excellent heart health at the moment. I had been a long rime user of Methotrexate which i had to give up because it was causing damage to my lungs. I am on a maintenance dose of 5MG Prednisone, down from much higher doses over at least fifteen years.
My Doctor has said in many respects I am lucky to be as good as I am because I was first diagnosed with RA in 1973 at age 39. Long before many of the drugs and procedures were available. I started my long trek of joint replacement with bilateral knee replacements at age 43 (the youngest patients ever to have the procedure at Cleveland Clinic). It was a diagnosis of either have the procedure or spent the rest of my life in a wheel chair. That started the long path to bilateral shoulder replacement, bilateral ankle fusion, bilateral wrist fusion, fusion of the fingers on my left hand, fusion of the toes on my left foot, and left hip replacement.
I am very thankful to be benefiting from many of the new drugs and medical advancements. Even though I have been relegated to wearing leg braces with attached extra depth shoes because of my susceptibility to stress fractures in my lower legs, because of the fused ankles. It robbed me of my ability to drive a car beginning in the mid 1990's.
At age 74 I still enjoy taking my Papplion for her walks on nice days, helping with the flower beds, watch TV, enjoying my photography and computer. I listen to my Ipod and my wife keeps me abreast in the news magazine because my cataracts make it difficult for me to read the smaller print. I am still able to go shopping with my wife and go for short walks around town and at special events.
Don Whitely
> Harv > [quoted text clipped - 73 lines] >> >> Please remove "Ima" to reply. Squirrely - 15 Mar 2008 19:45 GMT Oh Man Don, I am so glad you withstood all this that was going and is going on with you.
I have to admire you for all you have been thru and how you still deal with it and don't whine about it or anything. YOu are one heck of a man.
 Signature Love and Hugs to all Jo the squirrely one I am nuts about you.
> > Good news and bad news if you are including Embrel in that list of drugs [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Don Whitely d'huit - 12 Mar 2008 04:23 GMT the thing that got me about this was how the data was acquired. questionnaires, even quantitative (measured by quantity, rather than quality) questionnaires, are notoriously unreliable for hard science analysis--after all, even as "dr. house" says (and it is a prevalent belief among doctors; so much so that it is taught in med schools), "patients lie". however, these results from the questionnaires might just give rise to some hard science being done concerning this idea. i hope they do the work on it.
kate
Rheumatoid Arthritis Drugs May Lower Heart Attack, Stroke Risk
THURSDAY, March 6 (HealthDay News) -- People taking medications for rheumatoid arthritis may also be reducing their risk of heart attack and stroke, a new study suggests.
People with rheumatoid arthritis (RA), which causes pain, swelling, stiffness and loss of function in the joints, face a greater risk of cardiovascular disease, because it can lead to hardening of the arteries. Heart attack and stroke can occur 10 years earlier than in people without the condition, the researchers said.
By taking medications that reduce the inflammation caused by rheumatoid arthritis, the risk of heart attack and stroke may be significantly reduced, the study authors said.
"Our study demonstrated that the time of exposure both to disease-modifying anti-rheumatic drugs and biological agents is associated with a reduction of the risk of cardiovascular events," said lead researcher Dr. Antonio Naranjo, of the Universidad de Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, in Spain.
Those drugs include common RA medications such as methotrexate, sulfasalazine, glucocorticoids, leflunomide and biological agents such as TNF-alpha blockers, the researchers noted.
Naranjo said doctors know that by controlling the chronic inflammation caused by rheumatoid arthritis, it's possible to reduce cardiovascular risk. "The practical consequence of our work is that in patients with RA, especially in the most severe cases, both the classic cardiovascular risk factors and the inflammatory activity of the disease need to be controlled," he said.
For the study, Naranjo's team analyzed data on 4,363 patients who took part in the Quantitative Patient Questionnaires in Standard Monitoring of Patients with Rheumatoid Arthritis study. The researchers found that taking drugs such as methotrexate lowered the risk of a heart attack or stroke. For example, RA patients taking methotrexate for one year can reduce their risk of heart attack by 18 percent and stroke by 11 percent, the investigators reported.
"Methotrexate, other disease-modifying anti-rheumatic drugs and biologic agents could reduce the extra risk of myocardial infarction [heart attack] and stroke that patients with rheumatoid arthritis have by controlling inflammation," Naranjo said.
The findings were published in the March 5 issue of Arthritis Research & Therapy.
One heart expert thinks this retrospective study is intriguing, but it didn't really determine if the medications for controlling inflammation actually lowered the risk of heart attack and stroke.
"While certain associations are shown between the use of anti-inflammatory agents and prior cardiovascular events in patients with rheumatoid arthritis, a cause-and-effect relationship cannot be demonstrated in this type of study," said Dr. Gregg C. Fonarow, a professor of cardiology at the University of California, Los Angeles.
Prospective data and, ultimately, prospective randomized clinical trials are needed before any firm conclusions can be drawn about whether these drugs really lower the risk of heart attack and stroke, he said.
SOURCES: Antonio Naranjo, M.D., Universidad de Las Palmas de Gran Canaria, Spain; Gregg C. Fonarow, M.D., professor, cardiology, University of California, Los Angeles; March 5, 2008, Arthritis Research & Therapy
Publish Date: March 06, 200 Rose @}>->-- Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it. RB
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Donna G. - 12 Mar 2008 07:20 GMT Ya know, patients DO lie, but I think many of them do so because far too many doctors to easily write people off as just having "anxiety" or "being depressed" or the old "it's all in your head", especially if they don't fit the text book version of what ever the doctor is looking for. Sad really that patients have to endure that, often before, they are taken seriously!
Makes total sense to me that having our RA under control would reduce our risk of heart attack, strokes, and other ilks.
I just saw my cardiologist for a 3 month follow up in which the last visit he talked about putting in a pace maker since my heart rate and bp drop so low, especially when I get sick. We decided to wait another 6 months to re-evaluate again (yipeeeee), but discussed the fact that when I was in the hospital in august, with what they thought was pneumonia, turned out to be pericarditis from the RA. My chest x-ray was clear, but because I was having a fair amount of pain in my side and back, the doctor did an echo just for the heck of it! Good thing he did, as there it showed fluid build up around my heart, enlarged heart, etc. Would have been very easy for the doctors to say my shortness of breath and difficulty breathing was due to my lung disease and have left it at that. Thankfully my lung doctor isn't one to just leave things alone unless he has some answers.
Anyway, this was the 3rd time I have had the pericarditis and it is not something you want to continually have as it can do damage and cause scarring. Bottom line, get the RA better controlled as all that inflammation can cause so many different problems on so many different levels and with so many different areas.
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Donna . . . . 1.) ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
2.) J.K.M.A.
d'huit - 12 Mar 2008 22:09 GMT Ya know, patients DO lie, but I think many of them do so because far too many doctors to easily write people off as just having "anxiety" or "being depressed" or the old "it's all in your head", especially if they don't fit the text book version of what ever the doctor is looking for. Sad really that patients have to endure that, often before, they are taken seriously!
Makes total sense to me that having our RA under control would reduce our risk of heart attack, strokes, and other ilks.
I just saw my cardiologist for a 3 month follow up in which the last visit he talked about putting in a pace maker since my heart rate and bp drop so low, especially when I get sick. We decided to wait another 6 months to re-evaluate again (yipeeeee), but discussed the fact that when I was in the hospital in august, with what they thought was pneumonia, turned out to be pericarditis from the RA. My chest x-ray was clear, but because I was having a fair amount of pain in my side and back, the doctor did an echo just for the heck of it! Good thing he did, as there it showed fluid build up around my heart, enlarged heart, etc. Would have been very easy for the doctors to say my shortness of breath and difficulty breathing was due to my lung disease and have left it at that. Thankfully my lung doctor isn't one to just leave things alone unless he has some answers.
Anyway, this was the 3rd time I have had the pericarditis and it is not something you want to continually have as it can do damage and cause scarring. Bottom line, get the RA better controlled as all that inflammation can cause so many different problems on so many different levels and with so many different areas.
. ***.i hear you and agree, it DOES make sense that having inflammation under control would help cardio and other organs that can be affected by inflammation. i only meant that i wish they did some hard science about it, which might lead the medical field in some very valuable directions that could save lives and preserve quality of life.
i think patients lie for a variety of reasons, mostly because of various fears. but, sometimes it's not a matter of outright lying or hiding something at all. sometimes, what seems like a lie is simply a matter of confusion or memory lapses--most of us don't generally get in to see a doctor in the middle of an episode and so we mostly have to rely on memory, which often can be imperfect (depending upon other variables in our lives, like stress, or distractions). so, i don't agree that ALL patients lie, even though most doctors seem to believe that and are taught it.
kate . .
Donna . . . . 1.) ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
2.) J.K.M.A.
Donna G. - 14 Mar 2008 04:13 GMT Kate,
I hope you know I wasn't challenging you in the least! I was just throwing in my 2¢ along with everyone else on this topic!
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Donna . . . . 1.) ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
2.) J.K.M.A.
d'huit - 14 Mar 2008 05:05 GMT Kate,
I hope you know I wasn't challenging you in the least! I was just throwing in my 2¢ along with everyone else on this topic!
don't EVEN go there, sweetie. that wasn't what i was feeling nor thinking at all. i just thought i needed to expand on what i said, is all. and you know what? even if you were challenging me, that just keeps me on my toes and thinking, besides which, i know i need a reality check from time to time.<smile> hon, i know what your big heart is about and love you. so, don't EVER worry about that, ok? ((((((((((((donnag)))))))))))
kate
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Donna . . . . 1.) ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
2.) J.K.M.A.
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