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RoseB - 12 Mar 2008 01:33 GMT
Rheumatoid Arthritis Drugs May Lower Heart Attack, Stroke Risk

THURSDAY, March 6 (HealthDay News) -- People taking medications for
rheumatoid arthritis may also be reducing their risk of heart attack
and stroke, a new study suggests.

People with rheumatoid arthritis (RA), which causes pain, swelling,
stiffness and loss of function in the joints, face a greater risk of
cardiovascular disease, because it can lead to hardening of the
arteries. Heart attack and stroke can occur 10 years earlier than in
people without the condition, the researchers said.

By taking medications that reduce the inflammation caused by
rheumatoid arthritis, the risk of heart attack and stroke may be
significantly reduced, the study authors said.

"Our study demonstrated that the time of exposure both to
disease-modifying anti-rheumatic drugs and biological agents is
associated with a reduction of the risk of cardiovascular events,"
said lead researcher Dr. Antonio Naranjo, of the Universidad de Las
Palmas de Gran Canaria, in Spain.

Those drugs include common RA medications such as methotrexate,
sulfasalazine, glucocorticoids, leflunomide and biological agents such
as TNF-alpha blockers, the researchers noted.

Naranjo said doctors know that by controlling the chronic inflammation
caused by rheumatoid arthritis, it's possible to reduce cardiovascular
risk. "The practical consequence of our work is that in patients with
RA, especially in the most severe cases, both the classic
cardiovascular risk factors and the inflammatory activity of the
disease need to be controlled," he said.

For the study, Naranjo's team analyzed data on 4,363 patients who took
part in the Quantitative Patient Questionnaires in Standard Monitoring
of Patients with Rheumatoid Arthritis study. The researchers found
that taking drugs such as methotrexate lowered the risk of a heart
attack or stroke. For example, RA patients taking methotrexate for one
year can reduce their risk of heart attack by 18 percent and stroke by
11 percent, the investigators reported.

"Methotrexate, other disease-modifying anti-rheumatic drugs and
biologic agents could reduce the extra risk of myocardial infarction
[heart attack] and stroke that patients with rheumatoid arthritis have
by controlling inflammation," Naranjo said.

The findings were published in the March 5 issue of Arthritis Research
& Therapy.

One heart expert thinks this retrospective study is intriguing, but it
didn't really determine if the medications for controlling
inflammation actually lowered the risk of heart attack and stroke.

"While certain associations are shown between the use of
anti-inflammatory agents and prior cardiovascular events in patients
with rheumatoid arthritis, a cause-and-effect relationship cannot be
demonstrated in this type of study," said Dr. Gregg C. Fonarow, a
professor of cardiology at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Prospective data and, ultimately, prospective randomized clinical
trials are needed before any firm conclusions can be drawn about
whether these drugs really lower the risk of heart attack and stroke,
he said.

SOURCES: Antonio Naranjo, M.D., Universidad de Las Palmas de Gran
Canaria, Spain; Gregg C. Fonarow, M.D., professor, cardiology,
University of California, Los Angeles; March 5, 2008, Arthritis
Research & Therapy  


Publish Date: March 06, 200
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Harvey R. Stone - 12 Mar 2008 03:52 GMT
Good news for a change on the drug front.  Thanks Rose...
Harv

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Donald Whitely - 13 Mar 2008 15:25 GMT
Good news and bad news if you are including Embrel in that list of drugs
which has the lymphoma side effect.  A long time Embrel user, I ended up
with Non Hodgkin's Lymphoma which, if my Doctor had not caught it at
that particular moment in time I would not be writing this.

I will agree that I have excellent heart health at the moment.  I had
been a long rime user of Methotrexate which i had to give up because it
was causing damage to my lungs.  I am on a maintenance dose of 5MG
Prednisone, down from much higher doses over at least fifteen years.

My Doctor has said in many respects I am lucky to be as good as I am
because I was first diagnosed with RA in 1973 at age 39.  Long before
many of the drugs and procedures were available.  I started my long trek
of joint replacement with bilateral knee replacements at age 43 (the
youngest patients ever to have the procedure at Cleveland Clinic).  It
was a diagnosis of either have the procedure or spent the rest of my
life in a wheel chair.  That started the long path to bilateral shoulder
replacement, bilateral ankle fusion, bilateral wrist fusion, fusion of
the  fingers on my left hand, fusion of the toes on my left foot, and
left hip replacement.

I am very thankful to be benefiting from many of the new drugs and
medical advancements.  Even though I have been relegated to wearing leg
braces with attached extra depth shoes because of my susceptibility to
stress fractures in my lower legs, because of the fused ankles. It
robbed me of my ability to drive a car beginning in the mid 1990's.

At age 74 I still enjoy taking my Papplion for her walks on nice days,
helping with the flower beds, watch TV, enjoying my photography and
computer.  I listen to my Ipod and my wife keeps me abreast in the news
magazine because my cataracts make it difficult for me to read the
smaller print.  I am still able to go shopping with my wife and go for
short walks around town and at special events.

Don Whitely

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Squirrely - 15 Mar 2008 19:45 GMT
Oh Man Don, I am so glad you withstood all this that was going and is going
on with you.

I have to admire you for all you have been thru and how you still deal with
it and don't whine about it or anything. YOu are one heck of a man.

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Love and Hugs to all
Jo the squirrely one
I am nuts about you.

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d'huit - 12 Mar 2008 04:23 GMT
the thing that got me about this was how the data was acquired.
questionnaires, even quantitative (measured by quantity, rather than
quality) questionnaires, are notoriously unreliable for hard science
analysis--after all, even as "dr. house" says (and it is a prevalent belief
among doctors; so much so that it is taught in med schools), "patients lie".
however, these results from the questionnaires might just give rise to some
hard science being done concerning this idea.  i hope they do the work on
it.

kate

Rheumatoid Arthritis Drugs May Lower Heart Attack, Stroke Risk

THURSDAY, March 6 (HealthDay News) -- People taking medications for
rheumatoid arthritis may also be reducing their risk of heart attack
and stroke, a new study suggests.

People with rheumatoid arthritis (RA), which causes pain, swelling,
stiffness and loss of function in the joints, face a greater risk of
cardiovascular disease, because it can lead to hardening of the
arteries. Heart attack and stroke can occur 10 years earlier than in
people without the condition, the researchers said.

By taking medications that reduce the inflammation caused by
rheumatoid arthritis, the risk of heart attack and stroke may be
significantly reduced, the study authors said.

"Our study demonstrated that the time of exposure both to
disease-modifying anti-rheumatic drugs and biological agents is
associated with a reduction of the risk of cardiovascular events,"
said lead researcher Dr. Antonio Naranjo, of the Universidad de Las
Palmas de Gran Canaria, in Spain.

Those drugs include common RA medications such as methotrexate,
sulfasalazine, glucocorticoids, leflunomide and biological agents such
as TNF-alpha blockers, the researchers noted.

Naranjo said doctors know that by controlling the chronic inflammation
caused by rheumatoid arthritis, it's possible to reduce cardiovascular
risk. "The practical consequence of our work is that in patients with
RA, especially in the most severe cases, both the classic
cardiovascular risk factors and the inflammatory activity of the
disease need to be controlled," he said.

For the study, Naranjo's team analyzed data on 4,363 patients who took
part in the Quantitative Patient Questionnaires in Standard Monitoring
of Patients with Rheumatoid Arthritis study. The researchers found
that taking drugs such as methotrexate lowered the risk of a heart
attack or stroke. For example, RA patients taking methotrexate for one
year can reduce their risk of heart attack by 18 percent and stroke by
11 percent, the investigators reported.

"Methotrexate, other disease-modifying anti-rheumatic drugs and
biologic agents could reduce the extra risk of myocardial infarction
[heart attack] and stroke that patients with rheumatoid arthritis have
by controlling inflammation," Naranjo said.

The findings were published in the March 5 issue of Arthritis Research
& Therapy.

One heart expert thinks this retrospective study is intriguing, but it
didn't really determine if the medications for controlling
inflammation actually lowered the risk of heart attack and stroke.

"While certain associations are shown between the use of
anti-inflammatory agents and prior cardiovascular events in patients
with rheumatoid arthritis, a cause-and-effect relationship cannot be
demonstrated in this type of study," said Dr. Gregg C. Fonarow, a
professor of cardiology at the University of California, Los Angeles.

Prospective data and, ultimately, prospective randomized clinical
trials are needed before any firm conclusions can be drawn about
whether these drugs really lower the risk of heart attack and stroke,
he said.

SOURCES: Antonio Naranjo, M.D., Universidad de Las Palmas de Gran
Canaria, Spain; Gregg C. Fonarow, M.D., professor, cardiology,
University of California, Los Angeles; March 5, 2008, Arthritis
Research & Therapy

Publish Date: March 06, 200
    Rose   @}>->--
    Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to
understand it. RB

    Please remove "Ima" to reply.
Donna G. - 12 Mar 2008 07:20 GMT
Ya know, patients DO lie, but I think many of them do so because far too
many doctors to easily write people off as just having "anxiety" or
"being depressed" or the old "it's all in your head", especially if they
don't fit the text book version of what ever the doctor is looking for.
Sad really that patients have to endure that, often before, they are
taken seriously!

Makes total sense to me that having our RA under control would reduce
our risk of heart attack, strokes, and other ilks.

I just saw my cardiologist for a 3 month follow up in which the last
visit he talked about putting in a pace maker since my heart rate and bp
drop so low, especially when I get sick.   We decided to wait another 6
months to re-evaluate again (yipeeeee), but discussed the fact that when
I was in the hospital in august, with what they thought was pneumonia,
turned out to be pericarditis from the RA.  My chest x-ray was clear,
but because I was having a fair amount of pain in my side and back, the
doctor did an echo just for the heck of it!   Good thing he did, as
there it showed fluid build up around my heart, enlarged heart, etc.
Would have been very easy for the doctors to say my shortness of breath
and difficulty breathing was due to my lung disease and have left it at
that.   Thankfully my lung doctor isn't one to just leave things alone
unless he has some answers.  

Anyway, this was the 3rd time I have had the pericarditis and it is not
something you want to continually have as it can do damage and cause
scarring.  Bottom line, get the RA better controlled as all that
inflammation can cause so many different problems on so many different
levels and with so many different areas.

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Donna
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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.)    J.K.M.A.
d'huit - 12 Mar 2008 22:09 GMT
Ya know, patients DO lie, but I think many of them do so because far too
many doctors to easily write people off as just having "anxiety" or
"being depressed" or the old "it's all in your head", especially if they
don't fit the text book version of what ever the doctor is looking for.
Sad really that patients have to endure that, often before, they are
taken seriously!

Makes total sense to me that having our RA under control would reduce
our risk of heart attack, strokes, and other ilks.

I just saw my cardiologist for a 3 month follow up in which the last
visit he talked about putting in a pace maker since my heart rate and bp
drop so low, especially when I get sick.   We decided to wait another 6
months to re-evaluate again (yipeeeee), but discussed the fact that when
I was in the hospital in august, with what they thought was pneumonia,
turned out to be pericarditis from the RA.  My chest x-ray was clear,
but because I was having a fair amount of pain in my side and back, the
doctor did an echo just for the heck of it!   Good thing he did, as
there it showed fluid build up around my heart, enlarged heart, etc.
Would have been very easy for the doctors to say my shortness of breath
and difficulty breathing was due to my lung disease and have left it at
that.   Thankfully my lung doctor isn't one to just leave things alone
unless he has some answers.

Anyway, this was the 3rd time I have had the pericarditis and it is not
something you want to continually have as it can do damage and cause
scarring.  Bottom line, get the RA better controlled as all that
inflammation can cause so many different problems on so many different
levels and with so many different areas.

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***.i hear you and agree, it DOES make sense that having inflammation under
control would help cardio and other organs that can be affected by
inflammation.  i only meant that i wish they did some hard science about it,
which might lead the medical field in some very valuable directions that
could save lives and preserve quality of life.

i think patients lie for a variety of reasons, mostly because of various
fears.  but, sometimes it's not a matter of outright lying or hiding
something at all.  sometimes, what seems like a lie is simply a matter of
confusion or memory lapses--most of us don't generally get in to see a
doctor in the middle of an episode and so we mostly have to rely on memory,
which often can be imperfect (depending upon other variables in our lives,
like stress, or distractions).  so, i don't agree that ALL patients lie,
even though most doctors seem to believe that and are taught it.

kate
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Donna
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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.)    J.K.M.A.
Donna G. - 14 Mar 2008 04:13 GMT
Kate,

I hope you know I wasn't challenging you in the least!   I was just
throwing in my 2¢ along with everyone else on this topic!

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Donna
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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.)    J.K.M.A.
d'huit - 14 Mar 2008 05:05 GMT
Kate,

I hope you know I wasn't challenging you in the least!   I was just
throwing in my 2¢ along with everyone else on this topic!

don't EVEN go there, sweetie.  that wasn't what i was feeling nor thinking
at all.  i just thought i needed to expand on what i said, is all.  and you
know what?  even if you were challenging me, that just keeps me on my toes
and thinking, besides which, i know i need a reality check from time to
time.<smile>  hon, i know what your big heart is about and love you.  so,
don't EVER worry about that, ok?  ((((((((((((donnag)))))))))))

kate

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Donna
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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.)    J.K.M.A.

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