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Califchief - 29 Feb 2008 04:00 GMT
Carole wrote:

> That's the way it should be. At Western Washington University in
> Bellingham, WA you have to pay to get a disabled tag to hang in
> your car and you have to put that and your state disabled placard
> on your rear view window. It's really ticking me off. I should be
> able to park in any disabled space on that campus without paying.

It appears that Western Washington University is violating
RCW 46.61.582 (citation 2 below)

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    RCW 46.61.581

 Parking spaces for persons with disabilities - Indication, access
 Failure, penalty.

A parking space or stall for a person with a disability shall be
indicated by a vertical sign with the international symbol of access,
whose colors are white on a blue background, described under RCW
70.92.120 <http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=70.92.120>. The
sign may include additional language such as, but not limited to, an
indication of the amount of the monetary penalty defined in RCW
46.16.381 <http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.16.381> for
parking in the space without a valid permit.

    Failure of the person owning or controlling the property where
required parking spaces are located to erect and maintain the sign is a
class 2 civil infraction under chapter 7.80
<http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=7.80> RCW for each parking
space that should be so designated. The person owning or controlling the
property where the required parking spaces are located shall ensure that
the parking spaces are not blocked or made inaccessible, and failure to
do so is a class 2 civil infraction.

[2005 c 390 1; 1998 c 294  2; 1988 c 74  1; 1984 c 154  4.]

   Notes:

    *Intent -- Application -- Severability -- 1984 c 154: *See notes
following RCW 46.16.381
<http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.16.381>.

Accessible parking spaces required: RCW 70.92.140
<http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=70.92.140>.

Special parking for persons with disabilities--Unauthorized use: RCW
46.16.381 <http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.16.381>.
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   RCW 46.61.582

 Free parking for persons with disabilities.

Any person who meets the criteria for special parking privileges under
RCW 46.16.381 <http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.16.381>
shall be allowed free of charge to park a vehicle being used to
transport that person for unlimited periods of time in parking zones or
areas including zones or areas with parking meters which are otherwise
restricted as to the length of time parking is permitted. This section
does not apply to those zones or areas in which the stopping, parking,
or standing of all vehicles is prohibited or which are reserved for
special types of vehicles. The person shall obtain and display a special
placard or license plate under RCW 46.16.381
<http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.16.381> to be eligible
for the privileges under this section.

[1991 c 339  25; 1984 c 154  5.]

   Notes:

    *Intent -- Application -- Severability -- 1984 c 154: *See notes
following RCW 46.16.381
<http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.16.381>.
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Mary and I were surprised that Washington honors the Federal
Golden Access Passport in its State Parks.

... What happened to the first 6 "ups"?
___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
Carole - 29 Feb 2008 07:40 GMT
Thanks, Chief. Looks like I have to start writing letters :-))))

Carole
Who LOVES to write letters! :-))

>  Carole wrote:
>
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> ... What happened to the first 6 "ups"?
> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
Carole - 29 Feb 2008 07:44 GMT
OK, dumb question - which state office would I write to about this? Who
has jurisdiction over the university?

Carole

>  Carole wrote:
>
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> ... What happened to the first 6 "ups"?
> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 29 Feb 2008 15:51 GMT
Carole, who is the head honcho at the university.  You could start there.
Gwen

> OK, dumb question - which state office would I write to about this? Who
> has jurisdiction over the university?
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>> ... What happened to the first 6 "ups"?
>> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
Carole - 29 Feb 2008 20:26 GMT
> Carole, who is the head honcho at the university.  You could start there.
> Gwen

I was thinking more of a state office so I could call and find out if
it's legal (for some reason) for them to do this before I start my
letter writing.  If that office says no, then I'll start with the head
of the university with copies to our local reps and the governor. :-))

Carole
d'huit - 29 Feb 2008 21:19 GMT
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net wrote:

> Carole, who is the head honcho at the university.  You could start there.
> Gwen

I was thinking more of a state office so I could call and find out if
it's legal (for some reason) for them to do this before I start my
letter writing.  If that office says no, then I'll start with the head
of the university with copies to our local reps and the governor. :-))

Carole

try this:
http://www.dol.wa.gov/contact/admin.html

go girl!  hth,
kate
Carole - 01 Mar 2008 00:36 GMT
> try this:
> http://www.dol.wa.gov/contact/admin.html
>
> go girl!  hth,
> kate

Thanks, Kate. I just emailed her :)

I'll let you know what she has to say :)

Carole
Carole - 01 Mar 2008 00:23 GMT
OK, now you've got me started...how come I have to pay to park my car
when I go to Benaroya Hall. To park in their parking garage is $10, and
it's the only place any where near the concert hall with disabled spaces.

Carole
who may run for President next :))

>  Carole wrote:
>
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> ... What happened to the first 6 "ups"?
> ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
Paul T. Holland - 01 Mar 2008 01:49 GMT
hey carole - i'm going to jump on your post - but use it to discuss a
broader point:

first: just because someone has/needs a disability tag, doesn't reflect
their financial circumstance. in point of fact, it is only a less than
a majority group who are both disabled, and, financially needy.

just because someone is disabled doesn't mean they can't afford to
pay...

so - localities have decided that being disabled should - in a just
society - mean that provision should be made to provide 'proximity'
access for those that would be deprived without it.

'but', at the same time, they had to take into account the issue/point
of the 'cost' - i.e. should they have to pay for parking. well, for
public meters, it was determined that this was an all or nothing
proposition.
to have a two tier system [ one where if you were 'poor' enough you
didn't have to pay, vs those of average income who could pay] just
wasn't viable - it would cost too much in administration to implement
and enforce - so -

'all' disabled tags get a free ride at the meters of municiple meters.
but even some of the large multi story garages that are partly or wholly
built with public funds charge 'anyone' who chooses to park indoors the
hourly rate...

private property is another matter - while most will try to have a
sufficient numbers of marked off spaces to disabled use, they still
charge for the parking itself...'they' don't see any reason to give up
the parking fee when the vehicle is on 'their' property.

so if you are going to mount a campaign - you might want to look at the
equity issues involved.

you hall was built with private monies

"In 1998, after an ambitious capital campaign that raised $159 million
in private funds for construction, endowment, and financing – the
largest amount ever raised by an arts organization in the State of
Washington"

and is run as a private not for profit operation - shouldn't they
reasonably expect that someone who can afford tickets can afford the
parking?

now let's posit that tickets were a gift - and the holder 'is' low
income...are they any different than the low income 'able-bodied' ticket
holder who also got the tickets as a gift? 'that' event goer has to pay
for parking don't they? so two low income ticketholders one disabled on
able bodied - why is one more entitled than the other to park for free?

[remember - i have a 30 year career in theatre management...<g>... and i
sit on my local transportation advisory board as a disabled rep]

now, i happen to think that it is good 'private' policy to allow 'low
income' to park for free - BUT
how in the world would the venue/presenter have a cost effective way to
separate low from average or high income???

bottom line here - public meters are free 'cause it's too hard to
administer otherwise - tax dollars pay for it.

just because one is a hang tag or plate holder doesn't entitle one to a
free pass on private property

if you're going to run of office, you have to remember 'all' the
constituencies!!! <vbg>

> OK, now you've got me started...how come I have to pay to park my car
> when I go to Benaroya Hall. To park in their parking garage is $10, and
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> > ... What happened to the first 6 "ups"?
> > ___ Blue Wave/QWK v2.12
jofirey - 01 Mar 2008 03:23 GMT
> hey carole - i'm going to jump on your post - but use it to discuss a
> broader point:
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> society - mean that provision should be made to provide 'proximity'
> access for those that would be deprived without it.

Now we have something we can agree on.  And it may well trip up someone who
is visiting California.

ADA provides for access.  It doesn't make anything free.  Some states do
provide that someone with a disabled parking permit can park for free.
Others do not.  And California appears to be a grab bag on this.

For the most part, I expect to and have to pay the same to park as anyone
else.  Particularly in airport parking lots (leaving your car in an airport
lot is also another reasonable last minute reason not to take your placard
with you on a trip).  Also in parking garages.  Meters are up for grabs.  If
there is one I feed it.  Schools and business that require you to purchase a
parking permit can and do require you to buy the same permit as anyone else.

Note, I would have to have a student parking permit to use the student lot
at my grandson's college.  They do have limited time visitor parking I can
use, including handicap spaces.

I'm always pleasantly surprised when I get free parking when I'm in another
state.  I'd guess some visitors to California get unpleasantly surprised
when they expect the same rules they had at home.

Jo
Carole - 01 Mar 2008 03:42 GMT
> and is run as a private not for profit operation - shouldn't they
> reasonably expect that someone who can afford tickets can afford the
> parking?

I suppose..but when I go there it is to help out a friend who is a
musician. I help with CD sales, but he's a good guy and pays the parking
fee for me :-)

Carole

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