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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / March 2008Question on disability placards
I'm going to CA in November and will be renting a car. Can I use my state of Washington placard on a rental car in another state? Or do I have to apply for something else? Thanks, Carole > I'm going to CA in November and will be renting a car. Can I use my state > of Washington placard on a rental car in another state? Or do I have to > apply for something else? > > Thanks, > Carole My mom always carried hers. Had no problem here in Massachusetts with my Mom's Colorado placard. Just like you don't need another license plate for your car when you cross state lines. That's what the "full faith and credit" clause of the US Constitution is all about; Each state must respect another state's laws and actions.. Adelle specific answer to the tag question below, first: whoa there adell - your answer isn't correct the full faith clause refers to specific interstate compacts - those that have been legislated one example: marriage/divorce - think about the ongoing angst re same sex relationships being honored for marriage, civil union, or neither totally state by state...sales taxes, corporate registrations, etc... in the case of disability placards/license plates, each state does indeed have individual rules - which may or may not actually be enforced. [i have had my tags honored even in states that require a visitor to apply for a temp , but that was my good fortune.] california DOES require a temp visitors tag...do they enforce it? in some cases by individual city/county - yes. so that is the risk one would take if you don't have the california one. http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr07.htm# "Travel parking placard for nonresidents who plan to travel in California and are a disabled person or disabled veteran. Valid for up to 90 days or the date noted by your physician on the application, whichever is less. There is no fee for a permanent parking placard, its replacement, or for a travel placard. There is a fee for a temporary parking placard [$6.00]." here is the form: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg195.pdf hth paul > > I'm going to CA in November and will be renting a car. Can I use my state > > of Washington placard on a rental car in another state? Or do I have to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Adelle > "Travel parking placard for nonresidents who plan to travel in > California and are a disabled person or disabled veteran. Valid for up [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > paul Thanks, Paul. I have to see the cardiologist before I go to CA so I'll make sure I apply for this. What a pain. I kind of thought that the states would honor each others. When I went to Vancouver, BC last November, they honored my placard, but I was driving my car. That's why I was wondering about using it on a rental. Cie la vie. As the book says "Don't sweat the small stuff", so I'll just deal with this :) Carole :) >> "Travel parking placard for nonresidents who plan to travel in >> California and are a disabled person or disabled veteran. Valid for up [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Carole :) There is often a difference between the laws and what is allowed. I've always used my California placard where is was in other states and Canada for that matter. At one time I did get a ticket in North Carolina when I forgot to use the placard, I sent in payment with an explanation and a photocopy of my placard. They sent me my check back. Jo It seems to me I heard somewhere that Carole wrote in article <62ja9tF23r9g2U1@mid.individual.net>: >> "Travel parking placard for nonresidents who plan to travel in >> California and are a disabled person or disabled veteran. Valid for up >> to 90 days or the date noted by your physician on the application, >> whichever is less. >> There is no fee for a permanent parking placard, its replacement, or for >> a travel placard. There is a fee for a temporary parking placard >> [$6.00]." >> here is the form: >> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg195.pdf >Thanks, Paul. I have to see the cardiologist before I go to CA so I'll >make sure I apply for this. What a pain. I kind of thought that the >states would honor each others. When I went to Vancouver, BC last >November, they honored my placard, but I was driving my car. That's why >I was wondering about using it on a rental. Cie la vie. As the book says >"Don't sweat the small stuff", so I'll just deal with this :) Here is some additional info about California from a legal topics page. [Begin] California Vehicle Code Section 22511.5 (a) (1) A disabled person or disabled veteran displaying special license plates issued under Section 5007 or a distinguishing placard issued under Section 22511.55 or 22511.59 is allowed to park for unlimited periods in any of the following zones: (A) . . . (B) . . . (2) A disabled person or disabled veteran is allowed to park in any metered parking space without being required to pay parking meter fees. (3) This subdivision does not apply to a zone for which state law or ordinance absolutely prohibits stopping, parking, or standing of all vehicles, or which the law or ordinance reserves for special types of vehicles, or to the parking of a vehicle that is involved in the operation of a street vending business. (b) A disabled person or disabled veteran is allowed to park a vehicle displaying a special disabled person license plate or placard issued by a foreign jurisdiction with the same parking privileges authorized in this code for any vehicle displaying a special license plate or a distinguishing placard issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles. [End] http://law.onecle.com/california/vehicle/22511.5.html Google has many pages by municipalities and institutions detailing their interpretation and enforcement of this VC section. I found them and this page with "CA vehicle code disabled parking", if anyone wants to explore local variations.  SignatureDon Kirkman sorry don but the citation you show is wrong - in the 'details' per california code, [folks can call toll free to confirm: 800-777-0133] you can either fill out the form via mail [$6.00], or when you arrive in california, go into any office, show your current state of residence tag, on the basis of actually seeing your tag in person, they will issue the 'temp' placard [$6.00} for up to 90 days without a dr rx signature as the mail in form requires. the website you cited doesn't give that bit of info - the devil's in the detail! > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Carole wrote in article > <62ja9tF23r9g2U1@mid.individual.net>: [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > -- > Don Kirkman > on the basis of actually seeing your tag in person, they will issue the > 'temp' placard [$6.00} for up to 90 days without a dr rx signature as > the mail in form requires. So if I want to park in disabled parking in CA, it's going to cost me $6 . . . it's not bad enough having a disability and having to live on SSDI . . . they want money just for me to park my car? I'm glad my retreat got canceled as I wouldn't pay it. I don't understand how places are charging for people to use disabled parking. At the local university, if I went there for classes and wanted to use the disabled spaces, I'd have to pay $80 per quarter (not even semester, quarter) just to park my car. I'm thinking of starting a letter writing campaign to the governor's office. if i understand you correctly, you're reading it wrong - just as most states do - there is a basic cost for the tag itself - a one time fee of $6.00 - this lets you park in most [but not all] spots for free - now, you have to go by the same rules - if it's a 2 hour meter, you don't get extra time, etc - and, there are some municipal garages that don't give 'free parking' to anyone as with any lot owned by a private entity - including schools - they set their owns rules. in the case of a school, one common problem is that if they didn't have stickers, commuters often try to park there and then catch public transport...i would ask the school if they can't issue the sticker without the fee - especially if it's a public vs private institution. > > on the basis of actually seeing your tag in person, they will issue the > > 'temp' placard [$6.00} for up to 90 days without a dr rx signature as [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > semester, quarter) just to park my car. I'm thinking of starting a > letter writing campaign to the governor's office. Paul T. Holland wrote: > on the basis of actually seeing your tag in person, they will issue the > 'temp' placard [$6.00} for up to 90 days without a dr rx signature as > the mail in form requires. So if I want to park in disabled parking in CA, it's going to cost me $6 . . . it's not bad enough having a disability and having to live on SSDI . . . they want money just for me to park my car? I'm glad my retreat got canceled as I wouldn't pay it. I don't understand how places are charging for people to use disabled parking. At the local university, if I went there for classes and wanted to use the disabled spaces, I'd have to pay $80 per quarter (not even semester, quarter) just to park my car. I'm thinking of starting a letter writing campaign to the governor's office. you go, girl! you can get it done! i wrote and emailed all of our WA state representatives (and two of them telephoned me to thank me.LOL). it was about a bill being proposed, a few years ago, to make everybody in our state be required to use only chains and cables when it snowed and no seasonal snow tires. hey, like i asked them over the phone, how did they plan on helping disabled people to put on and remove their chains and cables at home, every few days, in many areas of our state--park workers, police, fire departments, city/county council members, mayors and city managers and their deputies, city/county administration people, street maintenance workers all on call to assist the disabled with chains and cables? btw, that bill soon died after those calls from my state reps. ô¿ô obviously, they hadn't thought of that. kate kate It seems to me I heard somewhere that Paul T. Holland wrote in article <47C5F8BC.DE44BEB2@bellatlantic.net>: >sorry don but the citation you show is wrong - in the 'details' >per california code, [folks can call toll free to confirm: 800-777-0133] I cited the actual legislation as provided by a site specifically designed to give accurate legal sources (I didn't go directly to the Vehicle Code to verify that lawyers don't make mistakes, however.) That page didn't, however, include the relevant section about temporary placards. >you can either fill out the form via mail [$6.00], >or when you arrive in california, go into any office, show your current >state of residence tag, >on the basis of actually seeing your tag in person, they will issue the >'temp' placard [$6.00} for up to 90 days without a dr rx signature as >the mail in form requires. >the website you cited doesn't give that bit of info - the devil's in the >detail! No $6, but a temporary placard that accompanies the out-of-state placard or plate. >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Carole wrote in article >> <62ja9tF23r9g2U1@mid.individual.net>: >> >> "Travel parking placard for nonresidents who plan to travel in >> >> California and are a disabled person or disabled veteran. Valid for up >> >> to 90 days or the date noted by your physician on the application, >> >> whichever is less. >> >> There is no fee for a permanent parking placard, its replacement, or for >> >> a travel placard. There is a fee for a temporary parking placard >> >> [$6.00]." >> >> here is the form: >> >> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/reg/reg195.pdf >> Here is some additional info about California from a legal topics page. >> [Begin] >> California Vehicle Code Section 22511.5 >> (a) (1) A disabled person or disabled veteran displaying special license >> plates issued under Section 5007 or a distinguishing placard issued >> under Section 22511.55 or 22511.59 is allowed to park for unlimited >> periods in any of the following zones: >> (b) A disabled person or disabled veteran is allowed to park a vehicle >> displaying a special disabled person license plate or placard issued by [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> [End] >> http://law.onecle.com/california/vehicle/22511.5.html Here is the critical additional information found in CVC 22511.59 [Temporary Placards]. Off-point matters deleted. Note in particular (6)(c)((4) and (5). [Begin] [. . .] (6) A placard issued pursuant to this subdivision shall be renewed a maximum of six times consecutively. (c) (1) A permanently disabled person or disabled veteran who is not a resident of this state and plans to travel within the state may apply to the department for the issuance of the temporary distinguishing placard described in subdivision (a). (2) Prior to issuing a placard pursuant to this subdivision, the department shall require certification of the disability, as described in subdivision (b) of Section 22511.55. (3) The physician and surgeon, nurse practitioner, certified nurse midwife, physician assistant, chiropractor, or optometrist who signs a certificate submitted under this subdivision shall maintain information sufficient to substantiate that certificate and, upon request of the department, shall make that information available for inspection by the Medical Board of California or the appropriate regulatory board. (4) A placard issued pursuant to this subdivision shall expire not later than 90 days from the date of issuance. (5) The department shall not charge a fee for issuance of a placard under this subdivision. [End] I have confirmed this information with the DMV at the number Paul provided, 1-800-777-0133 [the DMV's statewide contact number]. We owe Paul a note of thanks for getting us to the relevant information for members who may be planning travel to California. SignatureDon Kirkman There is a process in law about construction of statements and legislation. Certain words are terms of art and have specific definitions. In this case, the key word in C.1. is 'may.' If a CA placard were required, the legislature would have used a word like shall or must. My best guess as an attorney is that both sections exist to cover different circumstances. If you are driving your own car with handicapped plates or a using a hanging tag, you tag from a 'foreign jurisdiction' will be honored. But - what if at home you use a handicapped license plate at home but will be coming to CA by airplane and renting a car, or a relative will be driving you? Then the provision in C.1. applies; you can send for a temporary CA hang tag to use on your visit by sending certain proof of need. Adelle Stavis > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Paul T. Holland wrote in article > <47C5F8BC.DE44BEB2@bellatlantic.net>: [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > We owe Paul a note of thanks for getting us to the relevant information > for members who may be planning travel to California. > There is a process in law about construction of statements and > legislation. Certain words are terms of art and have specific definitions. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Adelle Stavis There is also the matter of the four types of placards California will issue. There is the standard permanent disability card (or plate) that you get with a statement from your physician. It is only for California residents. No cost. Then there is a temporary disability card that costs $6.00. This card is to cover temporary disabilities such as a broken leg. It can be issued to either a resident of California or to a non-resident. (think of skiing in Squaw Valley and tearing up a knee) Third, there is the resident travel placard. This would provide a placard to a resident who is heading to another state and either doesn't already have a placard or more likely has a plate and plans to rent a car at their destination. No cost. Fourth, there is the non-resident travel placard. This is available to someone from out of state to use while traveling in California. Likely the same as above, their car they left at home has the tag. Or they forgot and left their placard at home. (been their, done that) Or their out of state placard expired while they were here. Also note, there is nothing in the instructions for any of those placard applications (there really are only two applications) that indicates that anyone from out of state will need to get if California placard if they already have one with them from their home state. There is also nothing in the California visitors guide or anywhere else I can discover that state someone visiting from out of state must get a California placard if they already have a valid one from their home state with them. It would be a nightmare for a visitor. Our DMV offices are few and far between and usually very crowded. Jo It seems to me I heard somewhere that Adelle wrote in article <3smdnYXnFOFt9FranZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>: >There is a process in law about construction of statements and legislation. >Certain words are terms of art and have specific definitions. In this case, >the key word in C.1. is 'may.' If a CA placard were required, the >legislature would have used a word like shall or must. >My best guess as an attorney is that both sections exist to cover different >circumstances. If you are driving your own car with handicapped plates or a >using a hanging tag, you tag from a 'foreign jurisdiction' will be honored. >But - what if at home you use a handicapped license plate at home but will >be coming to CA by airplane and renting a car, or a relative will be driving >you? Then the provision in C.1. applies; you can send for a temporary CA >hang tag to use on your visit by sending certain proof of need. That was also my best guess as a non-attorney, but unless I dozed while the DMV lady listened to and answered my specific question on that point the temporary placard is required even if the out of state person drives his own car with a plate or placard. In fact, ISTM the sense and the wording itself weigh against that interpretation. Makes no sense to me, but I worked in a different part of the justice system. :-) >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Paul T. Holland wrote in article >> <47C5F8BC.DE44BEB2@bellatlantic.net>: [quoted text clipped - 102 lines] >> for members who may be planning travel to California. > SignatureDon Kirkman > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Adelle wrote in article > <3smdnYXnFOFt9FranZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >>"Don Kirkman" Which did make sense if Don K. had anything to do with it. :-) Harv It seems to me I heard somewhere that Harvey R. Stone wrote in article <YhTxj.3219$fX7.131@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com>: >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Adelle wrote in article >> <3smdnYXnFOFt9FranZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>: >>>My best guess as an attorney is that both sections exist to cover >>>different >>>circumstances. If you are driving your own car with handicapped plates or >>>a >>>using a hanging tag, you tag from a 'foreign jurisdiction' will be >>>honored. >>>But - what if at home you use a handicapped license plate at home but will >>>be coming to CA by airplane and renting a car, or a relative will be >>>driving >>>you? Then the provision in C.1. applies; you can send for a temporary CA >>>hang tag to use on your visit by sending certain proof of need. >> That was also my best guess as a non-attorney, but unless I dozed while >> the DMV lady listened to and answered my specific question on that point >> the temporary placard is required even if the out of state person drives >> his own car with a plate or placard. In fact, ISTM the sense and the >> wording itself weigh against that interpretation. Makes no sense to me, >> but I worked in a different part of the justice system. :-) >Which did make sense if Don K. had anything to do with it. :-) [Blush] Thanks, Harvey, you silly man. :-) But I do think my operation made sense, mainly because of the people I hired to do the real work--but I was mostly in finance during the years I had any say in how things were done, and finance probably makes sense more often than legislation and interpretation (except for the budget priorities, too often). SignatureDon Kirkman > But I do think my operation made sense, mainly because of the people I > hired to do the real work--but I was mostly in finance during the years > I had any say in how things were done, and finance probably makes sense > more often than legislation and interpretation (except for the budget > priorities, too often). Hhhhm,,,, OK, I will take your word for it. Harv sooooooo bad! > > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Adelle wrote in article > > <3smdnYXnFOFt9FranZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Harv > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Adelle wrote in article > <3smdnYXnFOFt9FranZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > wording itself weigh against that interpretation. Makes no sense to me, > but I worked in a different part of the justice system. :-) But a temporary placard is for a temporary disability. It isn't the same thing as a travel placard. After a few years of dealing with the IRS help line I don't have a lot of faith in the person on the other end of an 800 number. Jo It seems to me I heard somewhere that jofirey wrote in article <62r2kgF23beipU1@mid.individual.net>: >> It seems to me I heard somewhere that Adelle wrote in article >> <3smdnYXnFOFt9FranZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> wording itself weigh against that interpretation. Makes no sense to me, >> but I worked in a different part of the justice system. :-) >But a temporary placard is for a temporary disability. It isn't the same >thing as a travel placard. Except that the case of out of state drivers includes permanently disabled who for the purpose of travel can get a temporary placard while in California (time and renewal limitations apply) - (6)(c)(1). I misintepreted Adelle's explanation; now that I see what she meant this does away with my reaction that the legislation didn't make sense--the two VC sections cover separate contingencies. I wish we had some specific reference in DMV's explanations and interpretations, but it seems to me that out of state holders of permanent permits from their own home state probably don't need temporary tags in California. >After a few years of dealing with the IRS help line I don't have a lot of >faith in the person on the other end of an 800 number. I don't either, and California's DMV used to have a horrid reputation for its service. I was very pleasantly surprised yesterday to be on the line with a worker within just a few minutes; she was pleasant and could pull up relevant material almost as quickly as I could at home. Giving her the benefit, her focus may have been on the temporary placards so she misunderstood my question about both sections applying to out of state drivers who have their own permanent permissions. The fact that Paul's source said there is a $6 fee for temporary placards seems to show that worker also may have missed the point of the question. I had attempted to get an email answer to minimize the chance of botched communications, but DMV isn't set up to handle anything beyond routine canned email exchanges, I gather. SignatureDon Kirkman hi jo - you're correct the 'temporary' tag is also for instate residents traveling/visiting away from home, but their trip is still within california border - it is issued when they need it for a rental or vehicle other than their own [which has disb. 'plates']. for out of state visitors it's formally called a 'travel' tag, but it is also 'temporary' in the sense that is is only good for up to 90 days. > > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Adelle wrote in article > > <3smdnYXnFOFt9FranZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Jo > hi jo - you're correct > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > for out of state visitors it's formally called a 'travel' tag, but it is > also 'temporary' in the sense that is is only good for up to 90 days. You misunderstand me. The temoprary placard is for temporary disabiity. Not for temporary use. Has nothing to do with being a resident or a non resident or with traveling. It is only good for as long as your doctor says you need it or for at most ninety days. By then you are supposed to have recovered or to get another one. A temporary placard (it isn't a tag) and a travel placard are two different things. Jo >> > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Adelle wrote in article >> > <3smdnYXnFOFt9FranZ2dnUVZ_g-dnZ2d@comcast.com>: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] >> >> Jo all i can do i point you to the california website/tag bulletin, and the 800 number that i have given - it's their words, not mine... > > hi jo - you're correct > > [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > >> > >> Jo mostly yes adelle small diff. is that the 'plates' are honored, but an out of state hang tag may not be...that 'ol up to the officer thing...that's why they have the specific that you take your hang tag in for one of theirs... > There is a process in law about construction of statements and legislation. > Certain words are terms of art and have specific definitions. In this case, [quoted text clipped - 119 lines] > > -- > > Don Kirkman lol - you're sooooo right don - and thus the ongoing discussion here! you'd think something like htis could be listed all in one place - but nooooooo be well paul > It seems to me I heard somewhere that Paul T. Holland wrote in article > <47C5F8BC.DE44BEB2@bellatlantic.net>: [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] > -- > Don Kirkman > specific answer to the tag question below, first: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > sex relationships being honored for marriage, civil union, or neither > totally state by state...sales taxes, corporate registrations, etc... Well, that's the true constitutional issue that is in development. Sometimes it takes decades for these things to shake themselves out. Think of how long it took blacks to get the full rights of citizens in practice instead of just in theory. The marriage exception is a peculiar bird. Some states didn't want to have to recognized certain southern marriages between people who were too close on the charts of consanguinity (example: half sibs, Uncle and neice) or because some states allowed people as young as 13 to marry. And of course Southern states were not eager to accept mixed race marriages from the north. Ultimately, though, if you are married in one state, another state can't say you are not married - unless you are of the same gender. And I don't think that will stand the test of time either though it may take a while. > in the case of disability placards/license plates, each state does > indeed have individual rules - which may or may not actually be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > in some cases by individual city/county - yes. so that is the risk one > would take if you don't have the california one. Well, seeing Don Kirkman's post which included: "California Vehicle Code Section 22511.5 (sections not applicable snipped) ((b) A disabled person or disabled veteran is allowed to park a vehicle displaying a special disabled person license plate or placard issued by a foreign jurisdiction with the same parking privileges authorized in this code for any vehicle displaying a special license plate or a distinguishing placard issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles. [End] http://law.onecle.com/california/vehicle/22511.5.html" Confirms what I said before" It says straight out that placards not from California have the same privileges as those issued by the CA DMV. Now, there are a few towns in Massachusetts where parking is by permit. You have to go to town hall and get a visitor's permit in order to park at a non metered space. Big pain in the butt when you work in that town but don't live there. Adelle >> specific answer to the tag question below, first: >> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Adelle I think those are the cases that are causing problems in California. There are places where there is severely restricted parking. Industrial parks, college campuses, and gated or restricted neighborhoods. They fight the rules that let handicap marked vehicles in where they would not have to let non handicap vehicles in. Jo hi adell - see my post to don - it has the toll free number for ca dmv to check my info you 'do' need the temp placard what don's citation [an incomplete snipped section of the code] didn't say was that you don't need to go thru another doctor visit and filling out a form - you can just take your existing one in and they'll issue their temp card on the basis of your current one - in my first post i included the exact salutatory language from the code where they state you have to get one... as i said, 'some' area jurisdictions might not hassle you, if you just hang the out of state - but the law is exact and precise, and they will pursue the traveler back home for the ticket money . > > specific answer to the tag question below, first: > > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > Adelle > My mom always carried hers. Had no problem here in Massachusetts with my > Mom's Colorado placard. Just like you don't need another license plate for [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Adelle From what Paul just said, I'm guessing that CA isn't part of the US anymore :-)) Carole > From what Paul just said, I'm guessing that CA isn't part of the US > anymore :-)) > > Carole Ummmm ... Was it ever? :-)) Walt you are a very bad man walt! <g> > > From what Paul just said, I'm guessing that CA isn't part of the US > > anymore :-)) [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Walt > From what Paul just said, I'm guessing that CA isn't part of the US > anymore :-)) > > Carole Ummmm ... Was it ever? :-)) Walt <g> kate I have parked in Maryland, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia with my Ohio HC placard with no problems. I don't know about specific rules, but I wouldn't worry too much over it. DeeTee > I'm going to CA in November and will be renting a car. Can I use my state > of Washington placard on a rental car in another state? Or do I have to > apply for something else? > > Thanks, > Carole california charges $250.00 - if the local jurisdiction chooses to enforce the code...not worth the chance jmo > I have parked in Maryland, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia with my Ohio HC > placard with no problems. I don't know about specific rules, but I wouldn't [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Thanks, > > Carole I'm inclined to disagree. And I've read the entire code section and your citations. What does the following paragraph from the California code mean if it doesn't mean your out of state placard is as good as your in state placard? ____________________________ (b) A disabled person or disabled veteran is allowed to park a vehicle displaying a special disabled person license plate or placard issued by a foreign jurisdiction with the same parking privileges authorized in this code for any vehicle displaying a special license plate or a distinguishing placard issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles. Ca Vehicle Code Section 22511.5(b) ___________________________ Yes California has a procedure where someone from another state can get a placard (maybe they don't have one from their home state or maybe its about to expire) But I sure read the above paragraph to mean that as long as they have and display the placard or tag from another state, they don't have to. I'd be curious to see any cites where out of state drivers displaying valid placards were fined. I couldn't find any. Further, there is a $6.00 fee for a temporary placard. There is not a fee for a travel placard, either for a resident or for a non-resident. Sorry but I can't hear well enough to call the toll free number. Jo > california charges $250.00 - if the local jurisdiction chooses to > enforce the code...not worth the chance [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> > Thanks, >> > Carole I'm inclined to disagree. And I've read the entire code section and your citations. What does the following paragraph from the California code mean if it doesn't mean your out of state placard is as good as your in state placard? ____________________________ (b) A disabled person or disabled veteran is allowed to park a vehicle displaying a special disabled person license plate or placard issued by a foreign jurisdiction with the same parking privileges authorized in this code for any vehicle displaying a special license plate or a distinguishing placard issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles. Ca Vehicle Code Section 22511.5(b) ___________________________ Yes California has a procedure where someone from another state can get a placard (maybe they don't have one from their home state or maybe its about to expire) But I sure read the above paragraph to mean that as long as they have and display the placard or tag from another state, they don't have to. I'd be curious to see any cites where out of state drivers displaying valid placards were fined. I couldn't find any. Further, there is a $6.00 fee for a temporary placard. There is not a fee for a travel placard, either for a resident or for a non-resident. Sorry but I can't hear well enough to call the toll free number. Jo i can't speak for california, but in washington a temporary placard is good for only 6 months (or until you are no longer temporarily disabled, whichever comes first--and you have to turn them in/surrender them, too.) and a regular one is good for five years--or is that ten? kate > california charges $250.00 - if the local jurisdiction chooses to > enforce the code...not worth the chance [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> > Thanks, >> > Carole > i can't speak for california, but in washington a temporary placard is good > for only 6 months (or until you are no longer temporarily disabled, > whichever comes first--and you have to turn them in/surrender them, too.) > and a regular one is good for five years--or is that ten? > > kate Washington's is good for 5 years. I got mine in 2005 and it's good till 2010 :-) I originally had a temporary one, but when my cardiologist realized that my heart wasn't getting any better, we filled out the form for the permanent one. Carole d'huit wrote: > i can't speak for california, but in washington a temporary placard is > good [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > kate Washington's is good for 5 years. I got mine in 2005 and it's good till 2010 :-) I originally had a temporary one, but when my cardiologist realized that my heart wasn't getting any better, we filled out the form for the permanent one. Carole i thought that was the case. but since mine expires in 2010, i confused myself.LOL kate i understand jo but you have to also read the previous cite i gave: http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/brochures/fast_facts/ffvr07.htm# "Travel parking placard for nonresidents who plan to travel in California and are a disabled person or disabled veteran. Valid for up to 90 days or the date noted by your physician on the application, whichever is less." as is often the case, a 'broad' section clause can be [and is, in this instance] further defined by specific sub-sections. note: the state offers the resident the choice of either a license plate for the car, of a hang tag. when a resident goes to another city 'in state', and isn't driving their car with the plates, they would need a 'travel tag' to hang in the rental car or friends car where they are staying until they go back to their home city. in california, that [no cost] instate resident 'travel tag' is not available to out of state visitors. as to any costs - some states charge a nominal fee for the resident tag, some don't. california has chosen to not charge the resident, but does have a fee to accomodate the nonresident traveler... i wrote in the earlier post that 'some' california towns/jurisdictions may allow an out of state hang tag to be used - but by state code, it's $250 a pop, i wouldn't take the chance. > I'm inclined to disagree. And I've read the entire code section and your > citations. [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > >> > Thanks, > >> > Carole >i understand jo > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > may allow an out of state hang tag to be used - but by state code, it's > $250 a pop, i wouldn't take the chance. But there is a non-resident travel placard (not tag, they are different animals) available to out of state visitors. It isn't the same thing as a temporary disability placard. The temporary disability placard is available to residents as well as non-residents. Note this refers to a temporary disability, not to a temporary placard. And I can't find anything, anywhere to indicate that someone from out of state must obtain a travel tag as long as they have a valid permanent placard of tag from their home state. (And display it.) Jo yup - it's weird, but you have to ask the 'right' question of 'em oos hang tags are not honored - but take yours in, and they issue the temp one on the spot - they simply didn't put that language in the booklet... > >i understand jo > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Jo
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