'Van-accessible' space at issue
Special to The Press-Enterprise
A recent column item about who can use disabled-parking spaces designated as
"van-accessible" prompted a response from Ruthee Goldkorn, a state council
and executive board member of Californians for Disability Rights.
Goldkorn disagreed with Department of Motor Vehicles spokesman William
Gutierrez's statement that the vehicle code does not prohibit it, but a city
or county can enact an ordinance that spaces marked "van-accessible" only
can be used by vans with occupants with needs such as wheelchairs and
motorized scooters.
"Local municipalities cannot override, surpass or supplant state or federal
regulations to the detriment of the state or federal regulation," Goldkorn
wrote in an e-mail. "Such an ordinance would indeed limit the spirit, intent
and black letter of the law that created designated accessible parking and
the van-accessible spaces with an 8-foot-wide access aisle."
Goldkorn also questioned some wording in the item that a van-accessible
space is "extra wide" and thus wider than a regular disabled-parking space.
All disabled-parking spaces are required to be 18 feet by 9 feet with
additional area for an access aisle of 8 feet for a van-accessible space and
5 feet for a standard-accessible space, she wrote.
'Van-accessible' space at issue
After rechecking the vehicle code, Gutierrez said in an e-mail: "According
to section 22519, local authorities can regulate off-street parking in a
facility they own or operate as long as they put up a sign. It can get
pretty hairy and can depend on where a person is parking and who owns the
property being parked on. But I would think it would include creating an
ordinance regulating van-accessible disabled parking spaces in off-street
parking facilities those local authorities own or operate. More important
than what the vehicle code says is how the judiciary interprets it."
California Department of Justice press secretary Gareth Lacy said California
has yet to pass a law limiting use of van-accessible spaces to vehicles with
occupants with those needs.
"Issues such as limiting use of van-accessible parking can become
contentious," Lacy said. "In researching this issue, our office could not
find any case law at this point. But what about a scenario in which a city
went above and beyond federal requirements for disabled spaces? That is,
after meeting the requirements for disabled spaces, it decided to have
additional ones for use only by those with van-accessible needs. Something
like that might wind up being litigated."
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Carole - 24 Dec 2007 16:09 GMT
I live in a city which has recently been hailed as one of the best
places in the country to retire. I have noticed of late that we have a
tremendous shortage of disabled parking spaces. I have a placard due to
my CHF and often I can't find a place to park at all. I used to be able
to go to Walmart, but forget that one. Between the people who have moved
to Bellingham and the people who come down across the border from B.C.,
I can no longer go to Walmart unless I go at a very off hour. Since I
get my generic prescriptions there, I have to go very early in the
morning or late at night just before the pharmacy closes.
One of the things on my "TO DO" list is to start writing letters to get
more disabled spaces in this town.
Carole
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Smokie Darling (Annie) - 24 Dec 2007 16:54 GMT
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Our issue here is that all the handicapped signs that I've seen are
'van-accessible'. So, were someone to try and enforce that, 95% of
the disabled that I've seen here would have nowhere to park.
I realize that in California it's harder, the times I've visited,
seems that no one really pays much attention to the handicapped
parking spots (iow: everyone parks wherever the heck they please).
Maybe if they enforced that, there wouldn't be a reason to tell
someone in a larger vehicle, though not a van, that they can't use
'van' spaces. Think that might work?
Oh, wait, can't do that, it makes too much sense.
The cops here don't enforce it because apparently, they say they
cannot write tickets on "private property" (mall parking lot, grocery
store parking lots, Department of Human Services parking lot), even if
the property owner requests it. Sort of leaves out alot of areas they
could generate revenue from, yeah?
Smokie Darling (Annie)
shenmei9wise@gmail.com - 24 Dec 2007 18:00 GMT
On Dec 24, 8:54 am, "Smokie Darling (Annie)" <Barnabus1...@yahoo.com>
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> Smokie Darling (Annie)
well i am from California and I we have great accessible parking and
enforcement. We actually have people (often differently abled people)
who are trained to write tickets and can carry ticket books with them
and can only write tickets for handicapped violations. most
municipalities also have adopted policies that allow for enforcement
on private property if their are certain requirements (sign placement,
size of sign, citing the municipal code, etc. I actually called city
traffic enforcement to have a car ticketed at the mall once in San
Jose.
In general, I find handicapped parking to be more accessible for me
here than in Phoenix or seattle or NYC, places i regularly hang out
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jofirey - 24 Dec 2007 19:37 GMT
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We have a few volunteer police officers here, and one thing they do is write
handicap access violation tickets.
Is it just my imagination or are parking spaces in Oregon shopping centers
smaller than in California? I know its a building code thing and I seemed
to have more trouble parking there.
Jo
Califchief - 25 Dec 2007 02:01 GMT
Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote:
> The cops here don't enforce it because apparently, they say they
> cannot write tickets on "private property" (mall parking lot, grocery
> store parking lots, Department of Human Services parking lot), even if
> the property owner requests it. Sort of leaves out alot of areas they
> could generate revenue from, yeah?
Most, if not all, larger jurisdictions and county sheriff offices in
California have an RSVP - Retired Senior Volunteer Patrol - that does
enforce handicap parking laws. They also direct traffic at emergency
scenes which frees up several sworn officers to perform other duties,
and they make vacation houses' secutiry checks.
They do write some pretty expensive parking citations on private
property because the California Vehicle Code covers handicapped
parking. Other codes spell out the color and dimensions and number
of parking spaces, while CVC covers the actual parking.
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