Well said Ann,,,,, I understand how you feel.
Harv

Harv,
we have been going through this longer than three times.  Let me clear
this up once more.  I am an acupunctutirst.  In the stae of California
I have primary care status and can diagnose and treat. People see me
for their primary care provider. For years I worked with Doctor's
Without Borders.  I taught the interface of east-west medicine at the
medical school at UCSF. I am a well educated professional. I do not
sell supplements ever.  I do not sell them to my own patients.  I
believe that a doctor who makes a profit off of supplements (including
chinese herbs and vitamine c cannot remain objective about what her
patients truly need.)  I have been good friends with Susan Hoch (we
called her doctor Susan) because of my beliefs about complementary
medicine. I have over the years, brought this knowledge to this
newsgroup.  I helped write a software program that checks for adverse
synergistic reactions between allopathic prescriptions and Chinese
herbs. I probably still get at least three inquirires a month about
the compatibility of a supplement with the meds someone is taking.I
defended a guy named, I think, Gary, here years ago who used CMO
(didn't sell it). I clearly defended his right to say CMO helped him.
It was then that you decided I sold CMO even though I stated clearly
on the newsgroup that I hadn't seen anyone helped by CMO

I am the person who went after the noni people, getting the California
Attorney General's office involved.  I started  the infamous noni
contest (which garnedred me threats from all levels of noni-land.  I
have for years been an advocate for keeping this group clear of
salespeople.

As far as my post to AIM:  go to those websites.  They are owned by
people much richer than I am.  They sell to licensed healthcare
practitioners and doctors at a wholesale rate.  They are big big
companies. My own patients can order supplements fro either company,
using my user name and password, getting my very large discount.  I
make no money. If you want me to order you milk thistle, which I
assume you are still taking, let me know.  If you want to order it or
your vit. c, or glucosamine using my account, let me know.  i don't
get points for selling the most supplements like

You have attacked me for years personally and much of it was about
religion and politics.

So here's the thing, kiddo.  You often diverge into areas that attack
my professional reputation.  That I will not allow.  All of this is
archived in ASA where I have been a member since 1997.

One last thing, I defy you to find one person in this newsgroup past
or present that I have sold supplements to.  If you can, I will pay
you 10,000.00, straight across the boared as an IRS gift.  If you
can't, then stop this ridiculous stuff that really is about religion
and politics.  I have sent many things to many people here--people you
know and supposedly respect like Walt, and KJ and Gwen, to name a
few.I have never even let people pay for as much as shipping.  I do
that because my ability to help people enriches my life.  It makes me
profoundly pleased with humanity.

Well perhaps two last things:  Use some of that angry energy to make
this group a community, not a personal soapbox.  Reach out and
actually help someone on a real level.  Larry and I were close close
friends and our politics were radically different.  I respected and
loved him because he loved people not just with words but with
actions.  I am not sure just why you have this personal vendetta and I
won't answer when you attack me personally but when you attack my
professional credibility, you step over the line.

Oh yes, let's also stop the bully reality.  Questioning Kate's
intelligence is just plain silly.  Her erudite commentary puts my
writing ability to shame and her ability to address the issues while
acknowledging the humanity of the person she disagrees with, is
legendary.

melinda

thank you for your response,,,,,  I have no likes or dislikes about Aim.
Never have,,, in my mind you are another young person struggling in this
world to find your way.
harv