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shenmei9wise@gmail.com - 03 Dec 2007 17:58 GMT
So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
gone up) 48.6 percent .  I will now be paying 1850.86 cents for health
insurance.  It is a matter of mortgage or insurance.  i do not have
that kind of money.  This reminds me too much of last year when pac
advantage pulled out of california leaving me with Kaiser which was
basically no insurance.  i spent the month of December doing all the
things like DEXA scans, cat scans.  I am beginning to dread
December.

So I think I have two options;  moving to Missouri where I can get
insurance through my Uncle's company  or going on disability.  I
probably qualify for disability.  It is just a shame though, to enter
that system because I can't afford health insurance.  There is
something very very wrong with this system that makes it impossible
for people to afford health care insurance.

I am thinking about a little performance art project where I will get
a friend to come  a shoot (video) me, head down to the mall, make some
signs explaining the fact that CIGNA has raised rates to an
unaffordable level, and panhandle for insurance money.  Of course, I
would get no money but for sure I can post that on youtube and
possibly bring a little awareness to the issue.  What the "system"
loses with me going on disability is significant but i have to tell
you i am sick of spending time chasing health insurance.
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 03 Dec 2007 19:39 GMT
M, if I had not gone on Medicare several years ago, I would be completely
bankrupt by now.  There is no way I could have afforded insurance coverage,
or paid my medical bills, otherwise.  I do empathize with you.
Love, Gwen

> So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
> and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
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> loses with me going on disability is significant but i have to tell
> you i am sick of spending time chasing health insurance.
ANN M - 04 Dec 2007 00:13 GMT
M,
That amount if really outrageous.  My last payment was $525/month a few
years ago before my Medicare came through.  I had to pay it under Cobra
for a long time because it takes 2 years to get Medicare after going on
disability.   Is there any group you can join to get lower group rates.
Sometimes fraternal organizations, unions, etc band together.  I know my
hairdresser joined an independent beauticians' group to lower her rates.
Ann
Squirrely - 03 Dec 2007 20:07 GMT
This is what good ole Arnie is doing for us huh.

Oh M, I hope something works out for you and soon.  I understand this issue
all too well as you know since I can't afford insurance at all.

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Love and Hugs to all
Jo the squirrely one
I am nuts about you.

> So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
> and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
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> loses with me going on disability is significant but i have to tell
> you i am sick of spending time chasing health insurance.
Donna G. - 04 Dec 2007 07:09 GMT
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No answers for you M, just hugs and total empathy for you on this one!!!

Somethings got to give with this whole insurance mess sooner or later
for everyone!!!

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Donna
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1.)   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.)    J.K.M.A.
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 04 Dec 2007 11:18 GMT
M - I wonder what would happen if you wrote to "Arnie" about this. Maybe
something could be done on an individual basis. Or call your local TV
station and see if they have an advocate there. If nothing moe the plight
would be out in the open and maybe someone could step in to stop it.

Just a thought, DeeTee

> This is what good ole Arnie is doing for us huh.
>
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>> loses with me going on disability is significant but i have to tell
>> you i am sick of spending time chasing health insurance.
Diane - 04 Dec 2007 00:07 GMT
is this your MONTHLY rate, M? how awful. i simply don't know the
solution. are you eligible for any groups that offer health insurance?
i pay 500/month (government through my ex). john pays 800 as a small
business owner in NC. they're intolerable rates, but yours is way
beyond that.

hugs. i can't picture you in missouri somehow.

diane

On Dec 3, 12:58�pm, shenmei9w...@gmail.com wrote:
> So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
> and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
> gone up) 48.6 percent . �I will now be paying 1850.86 cents for health
> insurance.
shenmei9wise@gmail.com - 04 Dec 2007 02:05 GMT
> is this your MONTHLY rate, M? how awful. i simply don't know the
> solution. are you eligible for any groups that offer health insurance?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> > gone up) 48.6 percent . �I will now be paying 1850.86 cents for health
> > insurance.

Hi Diane,
that is my monthly rate.  it is the group plan for TEIGIT (the
entertainment industry group insurance trust) the umbrella group for
NWU.  The whole entire group had a 48.6 per cent raise.

It's kind of nuts in actuality.

m
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 04 Dec 2007 02:54 GMT
My Medicare Part D has been with Cigna this year.  It won't be in 2008.  The
price went WAY up and the benefits were cut WAY down!  I'm still looking!
Gwen

On Dec 3, 4:07 pm, Diane <dc...@aol.com> wrote:
> is this your MONTHLY rate, M? how awful. i simply don't know the
> solution. are you eligible for any groups that offer health insurance?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> > gone up) 48.6 percent . ?I will now be paying 1850.86 cents for health
> > insurance.

Hi Diane,
that is my monthly rate.  it is the group plan for TEIGIT (the
entertainment industry group insurance trust) the umbrella group for
NWU.  The whole entire group had a 48.6 per cent raise.

It's kind of nuts in actuality.

m
Carole - 04 Dec 2007 21:22 GMT
> My Medicare Part D has been with Cigna this year.  It won't be in 2008.  The
> price went WAY up and the benefits were cut WAY down!  I'm still looking!
> Gwen

I have Unicare, Gwen. I pay $150 a month for Medicare plus my additional
coverage with them. The good thing is that doctor copays are only $10.
For generic drugs, I go to Walmart as they only charge $4, and I have 3
prescriptions. I get my Coreg from a prescription plan for free and my
doctor is great with samples of the other drug I take.

If you find a really good one, please post it here. I'm sure we'd all
like to find the best we can get for our money.

Thanks,
Carole
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 05 Dec 2007 03:47 GMT
Carole, right now I'm thinking of going with SilverScript Plus.  The plan is
only $42 a month with no deductible and some coverage through the gap.  I'm
going to talk to my pharmacist before I completely decide. I am now under
catastrophic coverage and my drug bill for November was less than $100.
Quite a change from the gap!
Gwen

>> My Medicare Part D has been with Cigna this year.  It won't be in 2008.
>> The price went WAY up and the benefits were cut WAY down!  I'm still
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> Thanks,
> Carole
Adelle - 07 Dec 2007 15:58 GMT
On Dec 3, 4:07 pm, Diane <dc...@aol.com> wrote:
> is this your MONTHLY rate, M? how awful. i simply don't know the
> solution. are you eligible for any groups that offer health insurance?
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> > gone up) 48.6 percent . ?I will now be paying 1850.86 cents for health
> > insurance.

Hi Diane,
that is my monthly rate.  it is the group plan for TEIGIT (the
entertainment industry group insurance trust) the umbrella group for
NWU.  The whole entire group had a 48.6 per cent raise.

It's kind of nuts in actuality.

m

Have been thinking about this trying to brainstorm, to get attention to this
issue -

Does Governor Terminator have any health care/insurance initiatives? Groups
fighting privatization might use this rise to over 20K a year in premiums to
be a good sound bite in their rhetoric? Being forced on the state dole
because private insurance company raised rates so high would be good fodder
for officials trying to fight privatization as victimization. (hope that's
making sense.)

Any watchdog agencies overseeing usurious or otherwise unethical business
practices of insurance agencies? Do insurers need to get the increases in
premiums approved by any state agency? If yes, approval of this big a hike
would make good press for those decrying 'collusive practices' and
'government agencies in hip pocket of insurers.'

Any disability rights organization working on people being forced off
private insurance?

Adelle
shenmei9wise@gmail.com - 08 Dec 2007 18:09 GMT
> <shenmei9w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> Adelle

Hi Adelle,
Thanks for those suggestions.  I am so on this right now.  I'll keep
you posted.  Ill either burn out or change this whole process.

m
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 08 Dec 2007 20:04 GMT
Let's go for changing the whole process!
Gwen

>> <shenmei9w...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
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>
> m
drewanddawn2004 - 05 Dec 2007 17:28 GMT
Diane,

I am also in N.C.
I am on Medicare but I also  have a BC/BS of NC policy. It went down last yr
but
already got a letter telling me increase for Jan.  It is not a supplment
policy but one i had
before I became disabled.

I would like to drop the policy and get a supplement. I am paying $300 for
the BC and $100 approx for Medicare.
I keep the BC policy in case I ever loose my Disability. I would be unable
to get
insurance again w/ all the pre-existing stuff (both hips replaced, lumbar
and neck fusion).

When do you reach the point where you feel comfortable dropping a regular
policy and just
going with a Supplment?   At my age, 49, I am just afraid one day I will
fail a SSD review and
loose my Medicare.

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HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
Kim in N.C.

is this your MONTHLY rate, M? how awful. i simply don't know the
solution. are you eligible for any groups that offer health insurance?
i pay 500/month (government through my ex). john pays 800 as a small
business owner in NC. they're intolerable rates, but yours is way
beyond that.

hugs. i can't picture you in missouri somehow.

diane

On Dec 3, 12:58?pm, shenmei9w...@gmail.com wrote:
> So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
> and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
> gone up) 48.6 percent . ?I will now be paying 1850.86 cents for health
> insurance.
drewanddawn2004 - 05 Dec 2007 17:29 GMT
Diane,

I am also in N.C.
I am on Medicare but I also  have a BC/BS of NC policy. It went down last yr
but
already got a letter telling me increase for Jan.  It is not a supplment
policy but one i had
before I became disabled.

I would like to drop the policy and get a supplement. I am paying $300 for
the BC and $100 approx for Medicare.
I keep the BC policy in case I ever loose my Disability. I would be unable
to get
insurance again w/ all the pre-existing stuff (both hips replaced, lumbar
and neck fusion).

When do you reach the point where you feel comfortable dropping a regular
policy and just
going with a Supplment?   At my age, 49, I am just afraid one day I will
fail a SSD review and
loose my Medicare.

Signature

HAPPY HOLIDAYS!
Kim in N.C.

is this your MONTHLY rate, M? how awful. i simply don't know the
solution. are you eligible for any groups that offer health insurance?
i pay 500/month (government through my ex). john pays 800 as a small
business owner in NC. they're intolerable rates, but yours is way
beyond that.

hugs. i can't picture you in missouri somehow.

diane

On Dec 3, 12:58?pm, shenmei9w...@gmail.com wrote:
> So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
> and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
> gone up) 48.6 percent . ?I will now be paying 1850.86 cents for health
> insurance.
Carole - 04 Dec 2007 21:19 GMT
I totally empathize with you. And the trouble with disability is then
you have to wait two years to get Medicare. Since Cingular Wireless is a
totally screwed up company, I lost my COBRA (no one could find the
papers I sent even though they were sent with my payment check and they
cashed that), so I went for over 6 months with no health insurance. I
was lucky that nothing big happened to me. With congestive heart
failure, the bills can add up very fast.

I hope at some point they will do something about health coverage in
this country.

Carole
Aim - 05 Dec 2007 05:10 GMT
I relate completely, M.
We were just notified we're being sued for $1200 in medical bills that
my insurance company should have paid in 2003. I will take it up with
the insurance company, but I have to pay off the collection agency FIRST
as I've got a 20-day deadline before they garnish my wages.

It's very frustrating. Here i am with a lawsuit due to insurance
shenanigans ("oh they billed us wrong, we won't pay it and won't tell
her") and I have to pull $1200 out my ___.

After the burglary in January, car accident in May and T being out of
work for 4 months this summer, we're already behind on everything.

I'm feeling a little bit hopeless at the moment... I wish i had a rich
old relative I never knew about.

Aim

> So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
> and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> loses with me going on disability is significant but i have to tell
> you i am sick of spending time chasing health insurance.
Aim - 05 Dec 2007 05:12 GMT
I relate completely, M.
We were just notified we're being sued for $1200 in medical bills that
my insurance company should have paid in 2003. I will take it up with
the insurance company, but I have to pay off the collection agency FIRST
as I've got a 20-day deadline before they garnish my wages.

It's very frustrating. Here i am with a lawsuit due to insurance
shenanigans ("oh they billed us wrong, we won't pay it and won't tell
her") and I have to pull $1200 out my ___.

After the burglary in January, car accident in May and T being out of
work for 4 months this summer, we're already behind on everything.

I'm feeling a little bit hopeless at the moment... I wish i had a rich
old relative I never knew about.

Hrmph. Happy Holidays. (Bah Humbug) May 2008 be a much better year.

Aim

> So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
> and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> loses with me going on disability is significant but i have to tell
> you i am sick of spending time chasing health insurance.
Aim - 05 Dec 2007 05:34 GMT
Sorry for the triple-post. Apparently my newsreader is being a monkey.
Anyway, I'd really appreciate any spare prayers you all have got for us
(see below).
Thanks.

-Make my address less GIRLY to reply-

> I relate completely, M.
> We were just notified we're being sued for $1200 in medical bills that
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
>> loses with me going on disability is significant but i have to tell
>> you i am sick of spending time chasing health insurance.
Squirrely - 12 Dec 2007 20:22 GMT
Oh Aim, I sure hope all goes well with all this stuff. I feel for you. Take
care and thanks for checking in with us and letting us know how you are
doing.

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Love and Hugs to all
Jo the squirrely one
I am nuts about you.

>I relate completely, M.
> We were just notified we're being sued for $1200 in medical bills that my
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Aim
Aim - 13 Dec 2007 03:23 GMT
Thank you SJ. 2007 has really been a year of tough stuff. My brother
lost his job just before thanksgiving, too. And my parents had a massive
blow as well. Oh, and my gramma had a stroke last week.

When it rains it pours. I'm REALLY looking forward to 2007 being GONE.
It can let the door hit it on the way out, too. ;-)

Thanks for the sympathy. I just needed an ear.

Aim

> Oh Aim, I sure hope all goes well with all this stuff. I feel for you. Take
> care and thanks for checking in with us and letting us know how you are
> doing.
Nann Bell - 14 Dec 2007 16:36 GMT
Wow.  i really wish there were a way to get life to slow down and give you a
chance to adjust.  Hold on and find comfort in each other and may this all
turn around YESTERDAY!

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Nann
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> Thank you SJ. 2007 has really been a year of tough stuff. My brother
> lost his job just before thanksgiving, too. And my parents had a massive
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>> care and thanks for checking in with us and letting us know how you are
>> doing.
Squirrely - 14 Dec 2007 20:21 GMT
Yeah Aim it seems to have been a bad year for alot of us. I don't know what
the heck is going on.

Hopefully 2008 will be such a better year for all of us. I can only hope and
pray that way.

We are always here for you sweetie, we know how it goes. So  whenever you
need us just pop on in here and tell us what is happening. That is what we
are here for.

You take care and I do so hope 2008 is a better year your you Tish and your
family.

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Love and Hugs to all
Jo the squirrely one
I am nuts about you.

> Thank you SJ. 2007 has really been a year of tough stuff. My brother lost
> his job just before thanksgiving, too. And my parents had a massive blow
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Aim
Aim - 05 Dec 2007 05:17 GMT
I relate completely, M.
We were just notified we're being sued for $1200 in medical bills that
my insurance company should have paid in 2003. I will take it up with
the insurance company, but I have to pay off the collection agency FIRST
as I've got a 20-day deadline before they garnish my wages.

It's very frustrating. Here i am with a lawsuit due to insurance
shenanigans ("oh they billed us wrong, we won't pay it and won't tell
her") and I have to pull $1200 out my ___.

After the burglary in January, car accident in May and T being out of
work for 4 months this summer, we're already behind on everything.

I'm feeling a little bit hopeless at the moment... I wish i had a rich
old relative I never knew about.

Hrmph. Happy Holidays. (Bah Humbug) May 2008 be a much better year.

Aim

> So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
> and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> loses with me going on disability is significant but i have to tell
> you i am sick of spending time chasing health insurance.
Nann Bell - 05 Dec 2007 06:06 GMT
aye, m, that is just nuts.  I agree with you - there is something very wrong
with our system as it stands.  My brother is self-employed and I know keeping
him and my SIL in insurance has been a real trial.  Their rates saw an
astrnomical rise last year, even with their deductible changing from $1000 to
$5000.  I don't know when, if ever, our national officials will find the guts
to deal with it head on.  I keep saying we need to make it so Congress has to
buy private insurance on the open market.  things would change very fast if
tat happened!

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Nann
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Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare

cycjec - 05 Dec 2007 15:12 GMT
> I am thinking about a little performance art project where I will get
> a friend to come  a shoot (video) me, head down to the mall, make some
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> loses with me going on disability is significant but i have to tell
> you i am sick of spending time chasing health insurance.


just a lurker, but this sounds like a great idea.
jofirey - 08 Dec 2007 18:26 GMT
> So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
> and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> things like DEXA scans, cat scans.  I am beginning to dread
> December.

That is my biggest problem with the idea of universal health care plans.
I'm afraid beyond the point of being rational that we would all end up with
the equivalent of Kaiser.

Jo
Alice Faber - 08 Dec 2007 21:26 GMT
> > So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
> > and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> I'm afraid beyond the point of being rational that we would all end up with
> the equivalent of Kaiser.

The scary thing is that for some people that would be an improvement
over what they have now.

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This, apparently, upsets the fools."
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eleanor9 - 22 Jan 2008 03:08 GMT
I also got hit with 48.6 rate5 rate hikes here in Los Angeles from CIGNA
Healthcare. Are you a California member of TEIGIT, the Entertaiment Industry
Group Insurance Trust?  I am tired of borrowing to pay these high premiums.
And I got turned down by Medicare, because I was a little above the earnings
limit.  Every time I apply to other health plans I get turned down due to
"pre-existing condtions." If you haven't moved to Missouri yet or gotten on
Medicare, please contact me, I think I have found a lawyer who may be able to
help fightCigna.
kf

>So I opened my little holiday gift from my insurance company (CIGNA)
>and found that my rates had gone up (actually everyone's rates had
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>loses with me going on disability is significant but i have to tell
>you i am sick of spending time chasing health insurance.
 
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