yes. they are called heberden nodes and are found on the distal (farthest
from the body or nearest to your nail beds) finger joints.
you can have both, oa and ra, though i wish you wouldn't.
kate
Does OA cause nodules ( I think that is the word I want) bumps on the joints
of the fingers or is it just RA that does that.
I am wondering because sometimes when i wake up in the morning I see these
red bumps on the joints of some of my fingers the joints right behind the
nail area. So I was wondering if OA does that since the drs seem to think
that is what I have.
I still think I have RA since all the relatives on my dads side have it.

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also, i meant to include bouchard's nodes, which are in approximal (or
closer to the body or palm of the hand) finger joints. these, too, are oa
related.
kate
yes. they are called heberden nodes and are found on the distal (farthest
from the body, or nearest to your nail beds) finger joints.
you can have both, oa and ra, though i wish you wouldn't.
kate
Does OA cause nodules ( I think that is the word I want) bumps on the joints
of the fingers or is it just RA that does that.
I am wondering because sometimes when i wake up in the morning I see these
red bumps on the joints of some of my fingers the joints right behind the
nail area. So I was wondering if OA does that since the drs seem to think
that is what I have.
I still think I have RA since all the relatives on my dads side have it.

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d'huit - 29 Nov 2007 07:44 GMT
also, i meant to include bouchard's nodes, which are in approximal (or
closer to the body or palm of the hand) finger joints. these, too, are oa
related.
kate
geesh. proximal, and not "approximal".
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yes. they are called heberden nodes and are found on the distal (farthest
from the body, or nearest to your nail beds) finger joints.
you can have both, oa and ra, though i wish you wouldn't.
kate
Does OA cause nodules ( I think that is the word I want) bumps on the joints
of the fingers or is it just RA that does that.
I am wondering because sometimes when i wake up in the morning I see these
red bumps on the joints of some of my fingers the joints right behind the
nail area. So I was wondering if OA does that since the drs seem to think
that is what I have.
I still think I have RA since all the relatives on my dads side have it.

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sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 29 Nov 2007 13:53 GMT
SJ, I have heberdon nodules on six fingers. They get very sore when they
are forming but as they grow and get bigger so they disfigure my fingers,
they mostly stop hurting. And mine is definitely OA.
Gwen
> also, i meant to include bouchard's nodes, which are in approximal (or
> closer to the body or palm of the hand) finger joints. these, too, are oa
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> I still think I have RA since all the relatives on my dads side have it.
Squirrely - 29 Nov 2007 20:24 GMT
Thanks Kate and Gwen, you answered the question I was looking for.
I was kind of hoping in a way since I do believe I have RA also, that it was
from that, so I would have something to show the dr and say ok now tell me
it isn't RA so now lets fix it. But it is probably the OA stuff so that
won't work.
I still don't understand how OA can affect a child of 8-9 yrs old. That is
when my hands started getting arthritis. But Rosie (who I so miss here) said
it can happen so I believe her.

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> also, i meant to include bouchard's nodes, which are in approximal (or
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> related.
>
> kate
Kelly - 29 Nov 2007 21:01 GMT
To a certain extent Jo that still wouldn't fix it. Damage done is damage
done. It probably wouldn't even get you a diagnosis unless the change could
be seen on xrays. If it is inflammatory OA and inflammatory changes were
seen they could treat it with DMARDS such as mtx or such and yes OA can
start young we think. What kind of changes did your hands have at 8 or 9???
If you have had RA from 8 or 9 then considerable permanent damage would
probably have occured by now since it would have been untreated.
I wish I could help you find permanent medical help but that isn't going to
happen from here. In the meantime you can do all you can to help keep
healthy. Icing, heat, movement - range of motion, light walking (start out
walking around your chair if that is all you can do several times a day and
work up to walking a block.), eating lots of fruit and vegetables (doesn't
have to be the expensive ones - carrots, cabbage, etc counts), cutting down
on sugars, the "s" word which I know you aren't in a position to do now but
cutting back might work. Take one goal at a time and try. Then when you
next see your doctor he can see you are working at it and can take again one
symptom at a time. If it is OA they can do things about it but most are the
things above. If it is RA you need to be prepared that you still need to do
the above especially with the smoking to prepare for the meds. They are
invasive but they do help. Getting blood pressure down by doing some of the
above will help if you need these meds.
I wish I could tell you the diagnosis and treatment of RA or OA or fibro was
easy. It isn't and I share your frustration. Unfortunately it is a job and
all the meds in the world do not do the whole job. This is a journey that
requires more than just a passport unfortunately. Some of that journey you
can start on your own without medical help - just take really really small
steps. Remember Carole and all her changes this year - none of it was easy
but the changes in her body from those steps are huge.
this sounds preachy but I am frustrated that your situation makes it hard to
be helped. You need a steady doctor which I know is hard with the financial
situation etc. You also need a stable life which is hard right now. You
are in a wheel of pain and I can empathize with it. Been there and still go
through that sometimes. Sometimes it is easier though to concentrate on
something you can do ie: start up some gentle gentle exercise and nutrition
program not what you can't get others to do - ie: a diagnosis. Sounds easy
but it is not however I feel you are strong enough to do it. You manage the
birthday list etc so well that you are ready for the next step - something
for you not just for everyone else.
Kelly in BC
> Thanks Kate and Gwen, you answered the question I was looking for.
>
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>> kate
Squirrely - 03 Dec 2007 20:24 GMT
Kelly,
Oh I know sweetie that wouldn't fix what has been done. I just want to be
able to stop the others from happening.
When I was 8-9 the paring knife and potato peeler would get stuck in my
hand, my fingers would curl around that sucker and not let go. I would have
to have my brother or dad help get my fingers off it so I could get it out
of my hand. My fingers, hands have always been a problem for me. But then it
could be something else to who knows.
I know have pain on the back of my hands and in the palms too. But I don't
see any real deformities except now those nodules beginning to happen so I
guess it is OA.
Yeah I wish I could find permanent medical help and help that would believe
I know what I am talking about. I am beginning to hate this, but we don't
see that, dah, do you need glasses.
I am having so many female issues again and they just are not figuring it
out. I am so sick of going in there and having them look to say well we
don't see it. Yeah where are you looking then. Dah.
I do lots of inside walking Kelly, I am a hyper person. Can't sit still. Got
ants in my pants. ;-)
I can't do much veggies and fruits at all because of tummy bowel issues. I
do sneak some salad every once in awhile and boy do I pay for it.
I do get too much sugar but my blood sugars are dumping for some reason and
then I have to eat sugar stuff to bring it back up. I have been eating my
regular 20 meals a day (that is exaggerated but it feels that way) so I
don't know what the heck is going on with the sugars since I am on pred and
it usually goes way up there. Now we are doing the opposite and going way
down there.
My bp is going down and down. I think the addisons stuff is hitting again
even though I am on the pred. Some days I wonder if I am alive it goes down
so much. ;-)
I know my OA and CMP and FMS etc is activated more lately because we haven't
been running the heater, to save money, and it sure is letting me know. Even
trying to dress warmer with hot flashing is interesting. But I am trying the
best I can.
I am working on it Kelly and trying to do what I can to help the situations.
But I can only do what I can do.

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> To a certain extent Jo that still wouldn't fix it. Damage done is damage
> done. It probably wouldn't even get you a diagnosis unless the change
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