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d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 16:31 GMT
5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly.

5:43am - a smoke alarm starts going off.

5:44am - the sound finally registers, wakes me up enough so that my brain
identifies it.  i'm not awake enough to remember all the stuff about what to
do in the event of a fire.  didn't even think about escaping by throwing
something through the big window in my bedroom that isn't a window that can
be opened.  (the small bedroom window can be opened, but only an anorexic
can get through that one.)  instead, i started mentally trying to track down
which smoke alarm is making all the racket and disturbing my sleep.

where is it coming from?  it's not loud enough to be the one between the
downstairs bedrooms.  it's too loud to be the upstairs alarm or the one in
the laundryroom.  i start wondering.  did i ever install the new one for the
laundryroom/office?  was there ever one in the laundryroom?   i meant to
install one in the laundryroom.  did i?   i can't remember.   i get out of
bed and slip my shoes on.

i don't see or smell smoke.  the house feels cold.  so, i start bouncing off
the walls in the dark (i was too groggy to remember there are light switches
on the walls.).   i'm trying to locate the inconsiderate noise machine that
ruined my first good sleep in days.   it was the one on the livingroom
ceiling making all the noise.  the new one i installed a month ago, because
the old one kept going off for no reason, even after i replaced the battery,
countless times in the same day, with new batteries.

i knew the new one has it's quirks, too.  i accidentally filled my
livingroom, hallway and kitchen with smoke the other day, with a zero draft
in the woodstove and had to open all the doors and windows to get the smoke
out.  despite the smoke, so thick i felt like i was back in the haze-filled
club car on the train i took to denver in 1967, the new smoke alarm in the
livingroom didn't sound off.   neither did the hallway smoke alarm between
the bedrooms.  i thought that was weird at the time.  but in a way i was
grateful, because i didn't have to climb on a step stool, risking a fall, to
turn them off.

so, i'm groping around the livingroom, in the dark, watching the little red
light flash.  I'm trying to figure out how to shut it off without climbing
on something.   knocking a couple of framed pictures off the piano and
crunching broken glass into the hardwood floor, i turn on the light over the
spinet keys.  aha!  i spot the swivel sweeper!  i can use the handle to
reach and press the reset button!  brilliant!  (bet you thought i was going
to say i would use the sweeper on the broken glass underfoot, huh?)

by then, my ears were aching and my head throbbed.  i grabbed the sweeper
and approached the noisy bastard from below.  the smoke alarm must have
suddenly felt threatened.  i think it thought i was going to beat it to
death with the sweeper, because it stopped making that insane mind piercing
sound and the little red light turned off.  it innocently blended back into
the ceiling, innocuous, inert.  ok, i thought.  i don't have to use the
sweeper handle.  almost wide awake, i came in here after brooming up the
broken glass.

so, i'm sitting here writing this and guess what?  that same smoke alarm
went off again.  i bet it thought i went back to bed and was just about
ready to fall asleep again.  ha!  i fooled it!  it can't see my bedroom nor
my office from the livingroom.  so, it thought wrong.

honestly, i didn't beat it.  i just poked it, a little, with the tip of the
sweeper handle.  i'm basically a non-violent person.

kate
(thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my
shower.)
Jean - 03 Nov 2007 19:12 GMT
Our smoke alarms tend to do that every once in awhile, even with new
batteries.  We've come to the conclusion that it's a tiny speck of dust that
causes the problem.  Not much we can do about it other than wave something
near the alarm to make it quit ... or go get the step stool and take the
alarm apart ... or beat it to death with a broom handle.  Choices, choices.
;o)

Jean

> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly.
>
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> (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my
> shower.)
Alice Faber - 03 Nov 2007 19:29 GMT
> Our smoke alarms tend to do that every once in awhile, even with new
> batteries.  We've come to the conclusion that it's a tiny speck of dust that
> causes the problem.  Not much we can do about it other than wave something
> near the alarm to make it quit ... or go get the step stool and take the
> alarm apart ... or beat it to death with a broom handle.  Choices, choices.
> ;o)

And that's without the steam from the shower or the smoke from sauteing
onions...

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Brigitte - 03 Nov 2007 20:15 GMT
A very big belly laugh on that one.  Sorry you had to get up out of a
sound sleep but thanks for the laugh.  I really needed that!!  And am
glad it wasn't a fire or anything worse.  Hope you get your problem
worked out without causing too much harm to the little sucker for
going off.

Brigitte
d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 22:36 GMT
A very big belly laugh on that one.  Sorry you had to get up out of a
sound sleep but thanks for the laugh.  I really needed that!!  And am
glad it wasn't a fire or anything worse.  Hope you get your problem
worked out without causing too much harm to the little sucker for
going off.

Brigitte

good.  glad you got the giggle i intended.  i know i laughed at myself for
being soooo not with it.

kate
(battery has just been changed, even though it's been quiet since i poked it
with the sweeper handle hours ago.)
Harvey R. Stone - 04 Nov 2007 11:43 GMT
> A very big belly laugh on that one.  Sorry you had to get up out of a
> sound sleep but thanks for the laugh.  I really needed that!!  And am
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> it
> with the sweeper handle hours ago.)

LOLOL,   My wife thought you did just fine and what she would of done. LOL
oh my the sweeper handle,,, you think it died?? LOL
Not funny,,, sorry,,, LOLOLOL,,,, sorry.
Harv
Harvey R. Stone - 04 Nov 2007 11:40 GMT
>A very big belly laugh on that one.  Sorry you had to get up out of a
> sound sleep but thanks for the laugh.  I really needed that!!  And am
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Brigitte

Hi All,   I have a question for anyone.  My alarms are on house current and
have battery backups in each one.   They still sound off when one of those
batteries get low on charge.    ??????   Why even have them on house current
if you have to keep changing the batteries at 2 AM????  to shut the dam
things off.
Harv
d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 22:31 GMT
In article <472cba1e$0$32478$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
"Jean" <jeand@houston.rr.com> wrote:

> Our smoke alarms tend to do that every once in awhile, even with new
> batteries.  We've come to the conclusion that it's a tiny speck of dust
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> choices.
> ;o)

And that's without the steam from the shower or the smoke from sauteing
onions...

LOL!  over-zealously, when they first came out,  my dh once installed a
smoke alarm in the kitchen.  that didn't last long.LOL

kate

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Alice Faber - 03 Nov 2007 22:55 GMT
> In article <472cba1e$0$32478$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>  "Jean" <jeand@houston.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> LOL!  over-zealously, when they first came out,  my dh once installed a
> smoke alarm in the kitchen.  that didn't last long.LOL

It was worse when I'd just moved into a new apartment, because if the
smoke alarm didn't shut off within about a minute the building fire
alarm went off and wasn't shut off until the fire department came.
Imagine me getting out of the shower my first morning there, opening the
bathroom door to grab a towel from the closet, and then waving the towel
around trying to dissipate the steam before the fire alarm came on. Ah,
I was young and limber in those days!

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d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 23:02 GMT
In article <B7udnWJ1VqI3dbHanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comcast.com>,
"d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:

> In article <472cba1e$0$32478$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
>  "Jean" <jeand@houston.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> LOL!  over-zealously, when they first came out,  my dh once installed a
> smoke alarm in the kitchen.  that didn't last long.LOL

It was worse when I'd just moved into a new apartment, because if the
smoke alarm didn't shut off within about a minute the building fire
alarm went off and wasn't shut off until the fire department came.
Imagine me getting out of the shower my first morning there, opening the
bathroom door to grab a towel from the closet, and then waving the towel
around trying to dissipate the steam before the fire alarm came on. Ah,
I was young and limber in those days!

LOL!  i can just imagine!LOL

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Squirrely - 04 Nov 2007 03:51 GMT
Oh my, Alice, I was thinking that you were going to say, the fireman handed
you the towel. ;-)

Kate, great story about this, Donna H would be proud. You did it so in her
style. I couldn't stop laughing.

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> Imagine me getting out of the shower my first morning there, opening the
> bathroom door to grab a towel from the closet, and then waving the towel
> around trying to dissipate the steam before the fire alarm came on. Ah,
> I was young and limber in those days!
d'huit - 04 Nov 2007 06:45 GMT
Oh my, Alice, I was thinking that you were going to say, the fireman handed
you the towel. ;-)

Kate, great story about this, Donna H would be proud. You did it so in her
style. I couldn't stop laughing.

glad you had a good giggle.  ahhh, donnah was very inspiring, wasn't she.  i
miss her. and i'm very flattered to be compared to her, in any way.  she was
one of my heroes.

kate

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> Imagine me getting out of the shower my first morning there, opening the
> bathroom door to grab a towel from the closet, and then waving the towel
> around trying to dissipate the steam before the fire alarm came on. Ah,
> I was young and limber in those days!
Harvey R. Stone - 04 Nov 2007 11:45 GMT
> Oh my, Alice, I was thinking that you were going to say, the fireman
> handed
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>
> kate

and mine.....
Harv
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 04 Nov 2007 00:55 GMT
Bob swears that is how I know when the dinner is done.

DeeTee

> In article <472cba1e$0$32478$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Jean" <jeand@houston.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> kate
d'huit - 04 Nov 2007 01:43 GMT
Bob swears that is how I know when the dinner is done.

DeeTee

by the smoke alarm going off?  wouldn't that mean things are a bit
"well-done" on the slightly charred side?  :-)  sounds like how i cook these
days--made french onion soup from scratch, last night, with lots of oniony
"carmelization" stuck to the inside bottom of the pot.LOL  aha!  now i get
it--the smoke alarm this morning was a delayed reaction!

kate

> In article <472cba1e$0$32478$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>,
> "Jean" <jeand@houston.rr.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> kate
jofirey - 04 Nov 2007 02:14 GMT
> Bob swears that is how I know when the dinner is done.
>
> DeeTee

Its possible.  Since I can't hear a timer go off half the time anymore, I
have to rely on other means to know when dinner is done.

If I know I'll forget I was even cooking, I set a reminder on the computer.
But for things like cookies and cakes and brownies, I can smell when they
are done.  There is a distinct smell when the sugar in them starts to
caramelize.

Jo
Kelly C. - 04 Nov 2007 15:57 GMT
> Bob swears that is how I know when the dinner is done.
>
> DeeTee

We have a saying around here: If it's smokin', it's cookin'. When it's
burnt, it's done.lol

Rachel's room has the most sensitive alarm, so she has to close her bedroom
door when I'm broiling meat.lol

Kelly C.
BettyB - 04 Nov 2007 05:33 GMT
>LOL!  over-zealously, when they first came out,  my dh once installed a
>smoke alarm in the kitchen.  that didn't last long.LOL
>
>kate

We live full-time in a motorhome. The factory installed smoke alarm is
in the kitchen area, about the midpoint of the coach. It goes off if
you make toast, much less actually cook something.

Some time ago we got some small Saran Wrap Covers, like a very small
plastic shower cap. It fits perfectly over the smoke alarm and keeps
it from going off. Of course the ceiling in the motorhome is much
lower than in a real house so it is not too difficult to put the cover
on the alarm. Since we like them so much Saran Wrap quit making them.
--
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"I have noticed even people who claim everything is
predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it,
look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking
d'huit - 04 Nov 2007 06:42 GMT
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:31:17 -0700, "d'huit"
<threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:

>LOL!  over-zealously, when they first came out,  my dh once installed a
>smoke alarm in the kitchen.  that didn't last long.LOL
>
>kate

We live full-time in a motorhome. The factory installed smoke alarm is
in the kitchen area, about the midpoint of the coach. It goes off if
you make toast, much less actually cook something.

Some time ago we got some small Saran Wrap Covers, like a very small
plastic shower cap. It fits perfectly over the smoke alarm and keeps
it from going off. Of course the ceiling in the motorhome is much
lower than in a real house so it is not too difficult to put the cover
on the alarm. Since we like them so much Saran Wrap quit making them.

something about little bonnets on smoke alarms set me off giggling.  dunno
why.  but the saran caps make perfect sense though and a must in a
motorhome.   i think i'd probably forget to take them back off, knowing me.
what a great idea, to solve the problem.

kate
--
BettyB  --  www.flamingo-code.com
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is
predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it,
look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking
BettyB - 05 Nov 2007 01:06 GMT
>On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:31:17 -0700, "d'huit"
><threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
>kate

We never intentionally leave the cover on but . . . They are purple so
they stand out against the white ceiling. That usually catches my eye.
--
BettyB  --  www.flamingo-code.com
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is
predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it,
look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking
d'huit - 06 Nov 2007 05:13 GMT
On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 23:42:38 -0700, "d'huit"
<threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:

>>LOL!  over-zealously, when they first came out,  my dh once installed a
>>smoke alarm in the kitchen.  that didn't last long.LOL
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
>kate

We never intentionally leave the cover on but . . . They are purple so
they stand out against the white ceiling. That usually catches my eye.

oh. great idea!

kate
--
BettyB  --  www.flamingo-code.com
"I have noticed even people who claim everything is
predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it,
look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking
Harvey R. Stone - 04 Nov 2007 11:57 GMT
>>LOL!  over-zealously, when they first came out,  my dh once installed a
>>smoke alarm in the kitchen.  that didn't last long.LOL
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it,
> look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking

Well done BettyB but not all the time with the covers, I hope.   I have an
old friend that threw up his hands and gave his paid for home to his
kids(adults) and bought he and his wife a year round motor home and have
traveled the USA and Canada for years.  They run with the "snowbirds" you
might say.  A person has to think like you do to be able to do that...
Adjust for, make do, or even do without something's for awhile but always
keep their traveling home just like new.   They love it.
Harv
d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 22:29 GMT
Our smoke alarms tend to do that every once in awhile, even with new
batteries.  We've come to the conclusion that it's a tiny speck of dust that
causes the problem.  Not much we can do about it other than wave something
near the alarm to make it quit ... or go get the step stool and take the
alarm apart ... or beat it to death with a broom handle.  Choices, choices.
;o)

Jean

<smile>
there's supposed to be some way of cleaning something inside it, but i never
paid close enough attention to what butch was doing.  it kinda was "the
man's job" around here, like moving spiders back outdoors.  now, i rely on
my killer cats for the spiders.   but the cats can't do anything about the
smoke alarms except run and hide when the noise starts.

kate

> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly.
>
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> (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my
> shower.)
california_chief - 05 Nov 2007 05:05 GMT
Kate wrote:

> like moving spiders back outdoors.  now, i rely on my killer cats for
> the spiders.

Do you have an all-electric home?
d'huit - 05 Nov 2007 06:48 GMT
Kate wrote:

> like moving spiders back outdoors.  now, i rely on my killer cats for
> the spiders.

Do you have an all-electric home?

yes, i do.  i'm curious; why do you ask?

kate
Navy - 03 Nov 2007 21:51 GMT
Next time, get set in your mind where and what you are doing, before you go
and do.  A smoke alarm that gives false alarms and can't be depended on, is
extremely dangerous, IMHO. It's just as dangerous as one that won't give an
alarm.  I'd disconnect that doofus.  In fact, I'd get another brand, pronto.
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> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly.
>
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
> (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my
> shower.)
d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 22:57 GMT
Next time, get set in your mind where and what you are doing, before you go
and do.  A smoke alarm that gives false alarms and can't be depended on, is
extremely dangerous, IMHO. It's just as dangerous as one that won't give an
alarm.  I'd disconnect that doofus.  In fact, I'd get another brand, pronto.

a point worth taking.  however, truthfully, in the past 30-ish years that
smoke alarms have been available, i've yet to find a brand that didn't give
false alarms.  didn't matter what we paid for them.  i think i'm on my 6th
or 7th set of these things, at least.  i know i replaced them all a few
years back.  we used to replace (recycle/mail the old ones back to the
company) the alarm units every 5 or so years (and the different types of
fire extinguishers every 3 years).  butch didn't believe in the kind of
smoke alarms that were hard-wired in, cuz he felt that an electrical fire
could neutralize them.

ummm . . . i have a bit of a real problem getting my mind in gear when i get
startled awake from a deep slumber.  it's always taken me half an hour just
to wake up enough to make sense, normally, without being startled, just
laying there or sitting up in bed.  i set my alarm clock to ring off a half
hour earlier than i want to get up, even when i worked or went to school way
back when.  i think i'd be toast if i were sleeping and a real fire
happened.

kate

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> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly.
>
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> (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my
> shower.)
Navy - 04 Nov 2007 21:02 GMT
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> Next time, get set in your mind where and what you are doing, before you
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> smoke alarms that were hard-wired in, cuz he felt that an electrical fire
> could neutralize them.

That's strange.  I've never had a problem with them.  I agree about the
wired in ones.
I just checked and ours are First Alert.  I'd be scared to death to have one
I couldn't depend on.
We do need to get some fire extinguishers.  I'll have to ask my son what
kind to
get as he works with the EMT's.  Well, I just called and got some details,
but his inlaws were
on the other line of the phone, so he will call me back later.

> ummm . . . i have a bit of a real problem getting my mind in gear when i
> get
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> back when.  i think i'd be toast if i were sleeping and a real fire
> happened.

My husband was that way.  If I wanted him to get something on the way home
from work, I would call him at work
and tell him, a good two hours after he had gotten there.  I don't know what
kind of work they would
get from him.  LOL

Hope all goes well, and your brain gets to working well.  I sometimes think
a good long sleep is
best even it you are groggy afterwards.

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california_chief - 05 Nov 2007 05:13 GMT
Loujean wrote:

> We do need to get some fire extinguishers.  I'll have to ask my son what
> kind to get

You should have A-B-C extinguishers.

They are good for wood/cloth/paper, burning oils, and electrical fires.

... Firemen still use reverse lays.
california_chief - 05 Nov 2007 05:08 GMT
kate wrote:

>  butch didn't believe in the kind of smoke alarms that were hard-
> wired in, cuz he felt that an electrical fire could neutralize them.

That's what the batteries are for -- backup in case of electrical failure.

Same with modern digital alarm clocks with battery backup.

... Firemen still use split lays.
d'huit - 05 Nov 2007 06:57 GMT
kate wrote:

>  butch didn't believe in the kind of smoke alarms that were hard-
> wired in, cuz he felt that an electrical fire could neutralize them.

That's what the batteries are for -- backup in case of electrical failure.

Same with modern digital alarm clocks with battery backup.

LOL!  what can i say?  it was his thing, not mine.

kate

... Firemen still use split lays.
Carole - 04 Nov 2007 01:53 GMT
Usually if it needs a new battery, it just beeps. Sometimes moisture in
the air can set them off. When I was in grad school and staying on
campus, we had a couple of nights where the smoke alarms went off a
couple of times. At that time, we all thought it was funny to see
everyone including the faculty out on the lawn in their jammies :))))
And since it was a large school, the alarm went off at the fire station
as soon as it went off on campus, so we had firetrucks rolling up (cute
firemen too!!).  They declared an all clear and said they thought it was
moisture.  It was kinda fun though (especially the cute guys :-)))

Carole

> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly.
>
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> (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my
> shower.)
d'huit - 04 Nov 2007 06:38 GMT
Usually if it needs a new battery, it just beeps. Sometimes moisture in
the air can set them off. When I was in grad school and staying on
campus, we had a couple of nights where the smoke alarms went off a
couple of times. At that time, we all thought it was funny to see
everyone including the faculty out on the lawn in their jammies :))))
And since it was a large school, the alarm went off at the fire station
as soon as it went off on campus, so we had firetrucks rolling up (cute
firemen too!!).  They declared an all clear and said they thought it was
moisture.  It was kinda fun though (especially the cute guys :-)))

Carole

sounds like it would have been fun to set it off, too.;-))))<i didn't say
that>

moisture, eh?  that's one i haven't heard before.

kate

d'huit wrote:
> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly.
>
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> (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my
> shower.)
 
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