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otp: adventures in la-la-land
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d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 16:31 GMT 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly.
5:43am - a smoke alarm starts going off.
5:44am - the sound finally registers, wakes me up enough so that my brain identifies it. i'm not awake enough to remember all the stuff about what to do in the event of a fire. didn't even think about escaping by throwing something through the big window in my bedroom that isn't a window that can be opened. (the small bedroom window can be opened, but only an anorexic can get through that one.) instead, i started mentally trying to track down which smoke alarm is making all the racket and disturbing my sleep.
where is it coming from? it's not loud enough to be the one between the downstairs bedrooms. it's too loud to be the upstairs alarm or the one in the laundryroom. i start wondering. did i ever install the new one for the laundryroom/office? was there ever one in the laundryroom? i meant to install one in the laundryroom. did i? i can't remember. i get out of bed and slip my shoes on.
i don't see or smell smoke. the house feels cold. so, i start bouncing off the walls in the dark (i was too groggy to remember there are light switches on the walls.). i'm trying to locate the inconsiderate noise machine that ruined my first good sleep in days. it was the one on the livingroom ceiling making all the noise. the new one i installed a month ago, because the old one kept going off for no reason, even after i replaced the battery, countless times in the same day, with new batteries.
i knew the new one has it's quirks, too. i accidentally filled my livingroom, hallway and kitchen with smoke the other day, with a zero draft in the woodstove and had to open all the doors and windows to get the smoke out. despite the smoke, so thick i felt like i was back in the haze-filled club car on the train i took to denver in 1967, the new smoke alarm in the livingroom didn't sound off. neither did the hallway smoke alarm between the bedrooms. i thought that was weird at the time. but in a way i was grateful, because i didn't have to climb on a step stool, risking a fall, to turn them off.
so, i'm groping around the livingroom, in the dark, watching the little red light flash. I'm trying to figure out how to shut it off without climbing on something. knocking a couple of framed pictures off the piano and crunching broken glass into the hardwood floor, i turn on the light over the spinet keys. aha! i spot the swivel sweeper! i can use the handle to reach and press the reset button! brilliant! (bet you thought i was going to say i would use the sweeper on the broken glass underfoot, huh?)
by then, my ears were aching and my head throbbed. i grabbed the sweeper and approached the noisy bastard from below. the smoke alarm must have suddenly felt threatened. i think it thought i was going to beat it to death with the sweeper, because it stopped making that insane mind piercing sound and the little red light turned off. it innocently blended back into the ceiling, innocuous, inert. ok, i thought. i don't have to use the sweeper handle. almost wide awake, i came in here after brooming up the broken glass.
so, i'm sitting here writing this and guess what? that same smoke alarm went off again. i bet it thought i went back to bed and was just about ready to fall asleep again. ha! i fooled it! it can't see my bedroom nor my office from the livingroom. so, it thought wrong.
honestly, i didn't beat it. i just poked it, a little, with the tip of the sweeper handle. i'm basically a non-violent person.
kate (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my shower.)
Jean - 03 Nov 2007 19:12 GMT Our smoke alarms tend to do that every once in awhile, even with new batteries. We've come to the conclusion that it's a tiny speck of dust that causes the problem. Not much we can do about it other than wave something near the alarm to make it quit ... or go get the step stool and take the alarm apart ... or beat it to death with a broom handle. Choices, choices. ;o)
Jean
> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly. > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my > shower.) Alice Faber - 03 Nov 2007 19:29 GMT > Our smoke alarms tend to do that every once in awhile, even with new > batteries. We've come to the conclusion that it's a tiny speck of dust that > causes the problem. Not much we can do about it other than wave something > near the alarm to make it quit ... or go get the step stool and take the > alarm apart ... or beat it to death with a broom handle. Choices, choices. > ;o) And that's without the steam from the shower or the smoke from sauteing onions...
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Brigitte - 03 Nov 2007 20:15 GMT A very big belly laugh on that one. Sorry you had to get up out of a sound sleep but thanks for the laugh. I really needed that!! And am glad it wasn't a fire or anything worse. Hope you get your problem worked out without causing too much harm to the little sucker for going off.
Brigitte
d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 22:36 GMT A very big belly laugh on that one. Sorry you had to get up out of a sound sleep but thanks for the laugh. I really needed that!! And am glad it wasn't a fire or anything worse. Hope you get your problem worked out without causing too much harm to the little sucker for going off.
Brigitte
good. glad you got the giggle i intended. i know i laughed at myself for being soooo not with it.
kate (battery has just been changed, even though it's been quiet since i poked it with the sweeper handle hours ago.)
Harvey R. Stone - 04 Nov 2007 11:43 GMT > A very big belly laugh on that one. Sorry you had to get up out of a > sound sleep but thanks for the laugh. I really needed that!! And am [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > it > with the sweeper handle hours ago.) LOLOL, My wife thought you did just fine and what she would of done. LOL oh my the sweeper handle,,, you think it died?? LOL Not funny,,, sorry,,, LOLOLOL,,,, sorry. Harv
Harvey R. Stone - 04 Nov 2007 11:40 GMT >A very big belly laugh on that one. Sorry you had to get up out of a > sound sleep but thanks for the laugh. I really needed that!! And am [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Brigitte Hi All, I have a question for anyone. My alarms are on house current and have battery backups in each one. They still sound off when one of those batteries get low on charge. ?????? Why even have them on house current if you have to keep changing the batteries at 2 AM???? to shut the dam things off. Harv
d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 22:31 GMT In article <472cba1e$0$32478$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, "Jean" <jeand@houston.rr.com> wrote:
> Our smoke alarms tend to do that every once in awhile, even with new > batteries. We've come to the conclusion that it's a tiny speck of dust [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > choices. > ;o) And that's without the steam from the shower or the smoke from sauteing onions...
LOL! over-zealously, when they first came out, my dh once installed a smoke alarm in the kitchen. that didn't last long.LOL
kate
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Alice Faber - 03 Nov 2007 22:55 GMT > In article <472cba1e$0$32478$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > "Jean" <jeand@houston.rr.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > LOL! over-zealously, when they first came out, my dh once installed a > smoke alarm in the kitchen. that didn't last long.LOL It was worse when I'd just moved into a new apartment, because if the smoke alarm didn't shut off within about a minute the building fire alarm went off and wasn't shut off until the fire department came. Imagine me getting out of the shower my first morning there, opening the bathroom door to grab a towel from the closet, and then waving the towel around trying to dissipate the steam before the fire alarm came on. Ah, I was young and limber in those days!
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d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 23:02 GMT In article <B7udnWJ1VqI3dbHanZ2dnUVZWhednZ2d@comcast.com>, "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:
> In article <472cba1e$0$32478$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > "Jean" <jeand@houston.rr.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > LOL! over-zealously, when they first came out, my dh once installed a > smoke alarm in the kitchen. that didn't last long.LOL It was worse when I'd just moved into a new apartment, because if the smoke alarm didn't shut off within about a minute the building fire alarm went off and wasn't shut off until the fire department came. Imagine me getting out of the shower my first morning there, opening the bathroom door to grab a towel from the closet, and then waving the towel around trying to dissipate the steam before the fire alarm came on. Ah, I was young and limber in those days!
LOL! i can just imagine!LOL
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Squirrely - 04 Nov 2007 03:51 GMT Oh my, Alice, I was thinking that you were going to say, the fireman handed you the towel. ;-)
Kate, great story about this, Donna H would be proud. You did it so in her style. I couldn't stop laughing.
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> Imagine me getting out of the shower my first morning there, opening the > bathroom door to grab a towel from the closet, and then waving the towel > around trying to dissipate the steam before the fire alarm came on. Ah, > I was young and limber in those days! d'huit - 04 Nov 2007 06:45 GMT Oh my, Alice, I was thinking that you were going to say, the fireman handed you the towel. ;-)
Kate, great story about this, Donna H would be proud. You did it so in her style. I couldn't stop laughing.
glad you had a good giggle. ahhh, donnah was very inspiring, wasn't she. i miss her. and i'm very flattered to be compared to her, in any way. she was one of my heroes.
kate
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> Imagine me getting out of the shower my first morning there, opening the > bathroom door to grab a towel from the closet, and then waving the towel > around trying to dissipate the steam before the fire alarm came on. Ah, > I was young and limber in those days! Harvey R. Stone - 04 Nov 2007 11:45 GMT > Oh my, Alice, I was thinking that you were going to say, the fireman > handed [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > kate and mine..... Harv
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 04 Nov 2007 00:55 GMT Bob swears that is how I know when the dinner is done.
DeeTee
> In article <472cba1e$0$32478$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > "Jean" <jeand@houston.rr.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > kate d'huit - 04 Nov 2007 01:43 GMT Bob swears that is how I know when the dinner is done.
DeeTee
by the smoke alarm going off? wouldn't that mean things are a bit "well-done" on the slightly charred side? :-) sounds like how i cook these days--made french onion soup from scratch, last night, with lots of oniony "carmelization" stuck to the inside bottom of the pot.LOL aha! now i get it--the smoke alarm this morning was a delayed reaction!
kate
> In article <472cba1e$0$32478$4c368faf@roadrunner.com>, > "Jean" <jeand@houston.rr.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > kate jofirey - 04 Nov 2007 02:14 GMT > Bob swears that is how I know when the dinner is done. > > DeeTee Its possible. Since I can't hear a timer go off half the time anymore, I have to rely on other means to know when dinner is done.
If I know I'll forget I was even cooking, I set a reminder on the computer. But for things like cookies and cakes and brownies, I can smell when they are done. There is a distinct smell when the sugar in them starts to caramelize.
Jo
Kelly C. - 04 Nov 2007 15:57 GMT > Bob swears that is how I know when the dinner is done. > > DeeTee We have a saying around here: If it's smokin', it's cookin'. When it's burnt, it's done.lol
Rachel's room has the most sensitive alarm, so she has to close her bedroom door when I'm broiling meat.lol
Kelly C.
BettyB - 04 Nov 2007 05:33 GMT >LOL! over-zealously, when they first came out, my dh once installed a >smoke alarm in the kitchen. that didn't last long.LOL > >kate We live full-time in a motorhome. The factory installed smoke alarm is in the kitchen area, about the midpoint of the coach. It goes off if you make toast, much less actually cook something.
Some time ago we got some small Saran Wrap Covers, like a very small plastic shower cap. It fits perfectly over the smoke alarm and keeps it from going off. Of course the ceiling in the motorhome is much lower than in a real house so it is not too difficult to put the cover on the alarm. Since we like them so much Saran Wrap quit making them. -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com "I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking
d'huit - 04 Nov 2007 06:42 GMT On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:31:17 -0700, "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:
>LOL! over-zealously, when they first came out, my dh once installed a >smoke alarm in the kitchen. that didn't last long.LOL > >kate We live full-time in a motorhome. The factory installed smoke alarm is in the kitchen area, about the midpoint of the coach. It goes off if you make toast, much less actually cook something.
Some time ago we got some small Saran Wrap Covers, like a very small plastic shower cap. It fits perfectly over the smoke alarm and keeps it from going off. Of course the ceiling in the motorhome is much lower than in a real house so it is not too difficult to put the cover on the alarm. Since we like them so much Saran Wrap quit making them.
something about little bonnets on smoke alarms set me off giggling. dunno why. but the saran caps make perfect sense though and a must in a motorhome. i think i'd probably forget to take them back off, knowing me. what a great idea, to solve the problem.
kate -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com "I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking
BettyB - 05 Nov 2007 01:06 GMT >On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 14:31:17 -0700, "d'huit" ><threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >kate We never intentionally leave the cover on but . . . They are purple so they stand out against the white ceiling. That usually catches my eye. -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com "I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking
d'huit - 06 Nov 2007 05:13 GMT On Sat, 3 Nov 2007 23:42:38 -0700, "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote:
>>LOL! over-zealously, when they first came out, my dh once installed a >>smoke alarm in the kitchen. that didn't last long.LOL [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >kate We never intentionally leave the cover on but . . . They are purple so they stand out against the white ceiling. That usually catches my eye.
oh. great idea!
kate -- BettyB -- www.flamingo-code.com "I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking
Harvey R. Stone - 04 Nov 2007 11:57 GMT >>LOL! over-zealously, when they first came out, my dh once installed a >>smoke alarm in the kitchen. that didn't last long.LOL [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, > look before they cross the road." - Stephen Hawking Well done BettyB but not all the time with the covers, I hope. I have an old friend that threw up his hands and gave his paid for home to his kids(adults) and bought he and his wife a year round motor home and have traveled the USA and Canada for years. They run with the "snowbirds" you might say. A person has to think like you do to be able to do that... Adjust for, make do, or even do without something's for awhile but always keep their traveling home just like new. They love it. Harv
d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 22:29 GMT Our smoke alarms tend to do that every once in awhile, even with new batteries. We've come to the conclusion that it's a tiny speck of dust that causes the problem. Not much we can do about it other than wave something near the alarm to make it quit ... or go get the step stool and take the alarm apart ... or beat it to death with a broom handle. Choices, choices. ;o)
Jean
<smile> there's supposed to be some way of cleaning something inside it, but i never paid close enough attention to what butch was doing. it kinda was "the man's job" around here, like moving spiders back outdoors. now, i rely on my killer cats for the spiders. but the cats can't do anything about the smoke alarms except run and hide when the noise starts.
kate
> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly. > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my > shower.) california_chief - 05 Nov 2007 05:05 GMT Kate wrote:
> like moving spiders back outdoors. now, i rely on my killer cats for > the spiders. Do you have an all-electric home?
d'huit - 05 Nov 2007 06:48 GMT Kate wrote:
> like moving spiders back outdoors. now, i rely on my killer cats for > the spiders. Do you have an all-electric home?
yes, i do. i'm curious; why do you ask?
kate
Navy - 03 Nov 2007 21:51 GMT Next time, get set in your mind where and what you are doing, before you go and do. A smoke alarm that gives false alarms and can't be depended on, is extremely dangerous, IMHO. It's just as dangerous as one that won't give an alarm. I'd disconnect that doofus. In fact, I'd get another brand, pronto.
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> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly. > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my > shower.) d'huit - 03 Nov 2007 22:57 GMT Next time, get set in your mind where and what you are doing, before you go and do. A smoke alarm that gives false alarms and can't be depended on, is extremely dangerous, IMHO. It's just as dangerous as one that won't give an alarm. I'd disconnect that doofus. In fact, I'd get another brand, pronto.
a point worth taking. however, truthfully, in the past 30-ish years that smoke alarms have been available, i've yet to find a brand that didn't give false alarms. didn't matter what we paid for them. i think i'm on my 6th or 7th set of these things, at least. i know i replaced them all a few years back. we used to replace (recycle/mail the old ones back to the company) the alarm units every 5 or so years (and the different types of fire extinguishers every 3 years). butch didn't believe in the kind of smoke alarms that were hard-wired in, cuz he felt that an electrical fire could neutralize them.
ummm . . . i have a bit of a real problem getting my mind in gear when i get startled awake from a deep slumber. it's always taken me half an hour just to wake up enough to make sense, normally, without being startled, just laying there or sitting up in bed. i set my alarm clock to ring off a half hour earlier than i want to get up, even when i worked or went to school way back when. i think i'd be toast if i were sleeping and a real fire happened.
kate
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> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly. > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my > shower.) Navy - 04 Nov 2007 21:02 GMT  Signature Navy Take out the FISH to email me.
> > Next time, get set in your mind where and what you are doing, before you [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > smoke alarms that were hard-wired in, cuz he felt that an electrical fire > could neutralize them. That's strange. I've never had a problem with them. I agree about the wired in ones. I just checked and ours are First Alert. I'd be scared to death to have one I couldn't depend on. We do need to get some fire extinguishers. I'll have to ask my son what kind to get as he works with the EMT's. Well, I just called and got some details, but his inlaws were on the other line of the phone, so he will call me back later.
> ummm . . . i have a bit of a real problem getting my mind in gear when i > get [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > back when. i think i'd be toast if i were sleeping and a real fire > happened. My husband was that way. If I wanted him to get something on the way home from work, I would call him at work and tell him, a good two hours after he had gotten there. I don't know what kind of work they would get from him. LOL
Hope all goes well, and your brain gets to working well. I sometimes think a good long sleep is best even it you are groggy afterwards.
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california_chief - 05 Nov 2007 05:13 GMT Loujean wrote:
> We do need to get some fire extinguishers. I'll have to ask my son what > kind to get You should have A-B-C extinguishers.
They are good for wood/cloth/paper, burning oils, and electrical fires.
... Firemen still use reverse lays.
california_chief - 05 Nov 2007 05:08 GMT kate wrote:
> butch didn't believe in the kind of smoke alarms that were hard- > wired in, cuz he felt that an electrical fire could neutralize them. That's what the batteries are for -- backup in case of electrical failure.
Same with modern digital alarm clocks with battery backup.
... Firemen still use split lays.
d'huit - 05 Nov 2007 06:57 GMT kate wrote:
> butch didn't believe in the kind of smoke alarms that were hard- > wired in, cuz he felt that an electrical fire could neutralize them. That's what the batteries are for -- backup in case of electrical failure.
Same with modern digital alarm clocks with battery backup.
LOL! what can i say? it was his thing, not mine.
kate
... Firemen still use split lays.
Carole - 04 Nov 2007 01:53 GMT Usually if it needs a new battery, it just beeps. Sometimes moisture in the air can set them off. When I was in grad school and staying on campus, we had a couple of nights where the smoke alarms went off a couple of times. At that time, we all thought it was funny to see everyone including the faculty out on the lawn in their jammies :)))) And since it was a large school, the alarm went off at the fire station as soon as it went off on campus, so we had firetrucks rolling up (cute firemen too!!). They declared an all clear and said they thought it was moisture. It was kinda fun though (especially the cute guys :-)))
Carole
> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly. > [quoted text clipped - 61 lines] > (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my > shower.) d'huit - 04 Nov 2007 06:38 GMT Usually if it needs a new battery, it just beeps. Sometimes moisture in the air can set them off. When I was in grad school and staying on campus, we had a couple of nights where the smoke alarms went off a couple of times. At that time, we all thought it was funny to see everyone including the faculty out on the lawn in their jammies :)))) And since it was a large school, the alarm went off at the fire station as soon as it went off on campus, so we had firetrucks rolling up (cute firemen too!!). They declared an all clear and said they thought it was moisture. It was kinda fun though (especially the cute guys :-)))
Carole
sounds like it would have been fun to set it off, too.;-))))<i didn't say that>
moisture, eh? that's one i haven't heard before.
kate
d'huit wrote:
> 5:42am - i'm sleeping soundly. > [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > (thinking . . . new battery, once my headache is gone and i've had my > shower.)
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