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ironjustice@aol.com - 07 Oct 2007 21:10 GMT
A few years ago I discussed in length with a man about the **need**
for an efficient safe iron chelator and whether his work with the
buckyball could be somehow developed into an iron chelator ..

Voila .. ?

http://www.bristol.ac.uk/Depts/Chemistry/MOTM/buckyball/c60a.htm

Arthritis Rheum. 2007 Sep 28;56(10):3307-3318 [Epub ahead of print]
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Water-soluble C60 fullerene prevents degeneration of articular
cartilage in osteoarthritis via down-regulation of chondrocyte
catabolic activity and inhibition of cartilage degeneration during
disease development.
Yudoh K, Shishido K, Murayama H, Yano M, Matsubayashi K, Takada H,
Nakamura H, Masuko K, Kato T, Nishioka K.
St. Marianna University School of Medicine, Kawasaki, Japan.

OBJECTIVE:
Studies have shown the roles of oxidative stress in the pathogenesis
of osteoarthritis (OA) and induction of chondrocyte senescence during
OA progression. The aim of this study was to examine the potential of
a strong free-radical scavenger, water-soluble fullerene (C60), as a
protective agent against catabolic stress-induced degeneration of
articular cartilage in OA, both in vitro and in vivo.
METHODS:
In the presence or absence of C60 (100 muM), human chondrocytes were
incubated with interleukin-1beta (10 ng/ml) or H(2)O(2) (100 muM), and
chondrocyte activity was analyzed. An animal model of OA was produced
in rabbits by resection of the medial meniscus and medial collateral
ligament. Rabbits were divided into 5 subgroups: sham operation or
treatment with C60 at 0.1 muM, 1 muM, 10 muM, or 40 muM. The left knee
joint was injected intraarticularly with water-soluble C60 (2 ml),
while, as a control, the right knee joint received 50% polyethylene
glycol (2 ml), once weekly for 4 weeks or 8 weeks. Knee bone and
cartilage tissue were prepared for histologic analysis. In addition,
in the OA rabbit model, the effect of C60 (10 muM) on degeneration of
articular cartilage was compared with that of sodium hyaluronate (HA)
(5 mg/ml). RESULTS:
C60 (100 muM) inhibited the catabolic stress-induced production of
matrix-degrading enzymes (matrix metalloproteinases 1, 3, and 13),
down-regulation of matrix production, and apoptosis and premature
senescence in human chondrocytes in vitro. In rabbits with OA,
treatment with water-soluble C60 significantly reduced articular
cartilage degeneration, whereas control knee joints showed progression
of cartilage degeneration with time. This inhibitory effect was dose
dependent, and was superior to that of HA. Combined treatment with C60
and HA yielded a significant reduction in cartilage degeneration
compared with either treatment alone. CONCLUSION:
The results indicate that C60 fullerene is a potential therapeutic
agent for the protection of articular cartilage against progression of
OA.

PMID: 17907184 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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ferrous@paris.com - 07 Oct 2007 21:57 GMT
"A few years ago I discussed in length with a man about the **need**
for an efficient safe iron chelator and whether his work with the
buckyball could be somehow developed into an iron chelator ..

Voila .. ?"

As usual you do not understand at a fundimental level the abstracts you
post.  This means often that the conclusion you draw is completely off
the mark and even refutes the iron causes all disease because people eat
meat notion.  

For you it is at best a throw of the dice as to what it will be.
Therefore, I would not book passage to oslo just yet based on the
abstract.
ironjustice - 08 Oct 2007 03:56 GMT
On Oct 7, 1:57 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote: As usual you do not
understand at a fundimental level the abstracts you
post.    <<

Now I say it is a chelate for iron and you say it .. isn't ..
Write this down .. fullerol forms a complex with iron .. but as you
say .. "this isn't an iron chelate" .. now write this down again ..
fullerol forms a complex with iron .. do you see any difference in
what you say .. and what they say .. ?

It is just the opposite ..

<<snip>>
fullerol formed insoluble complex with Fe3+ and Fe2+.
<<snip>>

FULLEROL AS A LIGAL AND RADICAL TRAPPER
A.  or evi 1, J.  anadanovi -Brunet2, M. Vojinovi -Miloradov1, R.
Kova evi 1, S. Mirkov1, N. Andri 1, G. Bogdanovi 3
1Faculty of Sciences, University of Novi Sad, Yugoslavia
2Faculty of Technology, University of Novi Sad, Yugoslavia
3Institute of Oncology Sremska Kamenica, Yugoslavia
 ABSTRACT
Chemical modification of hydrophobic fullerene C60 molecule yielded
many water-soluble adducts exhibiting the variety of biological
activities. In this paper the results of chemical investigation of
fullerol (polyhydroxy derivate of C60 (C60 (OH) 24) as a ligand for
the iron cations as well as a radical scavenger were presented.
Polyhydroxylated fullerene C60 water-soluble derivative, fullerol,
C60(OH)24, as well as fullerol-Fe+2 and Fe3+ complexes were
synthetized and characterized in the laboratories of the Chemistry
Department, Faculty of Sciences, University of Novi Sad. ESR spin
"trapping" method was used to assay radical scavenging activity of the
fullerol.In water, fullerol formed insoluble complex with Fe3+ and
Fe2+. These complexes were thermally unstable but were soluble in high
alkaline medium. At the pH values close to physiological pH, the
complexes were very stable. This paper presents the hypothetical
structure of the fullerol-Fe3+ complex. We also reported the
experimental investigation of antioxidative properties of fullerol
C60(OH)24 in the chemical model system. Relative intensity (RI) of ESR
signals of PBN-OH (*-phenyl-N-t-butylnitrone-OH) adduct, in the
presence of 0.88 mmol/dm3 of fullerol, were decreased by 82.2%. The
intensity of the new signal was increased by time while the intensity
of the second basic signal of PBN-OH adduct was decreased. Based on
these spectra it can be proposed that the new signal represents a
radical of fullerol C60(OH)24-.. Mechanisms of effects of fullerol in
in vitro model systems could be explained in two ways: either as a
chelate, or as a hydroxy radicals scavenger. Experimental proof of
this hypothesis is in progress.
 Keywords: C60, fullerol: Antioxidant: ESR, .OH: Chelate

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d'huit - 08 Oct 2007 05:08 GMT
geesh!  rustyrump, you are mindlessly jumping the gun on this one, too!

it says fullerol is a "modification", a "derivative" of fullerene.  both are
not the same at all, as your subject line blurred.  if you begin with a
basic chemical composition and alter it, you have a different chemical
composition that does something else.

it also states, "This paper presents the ***hypothetical***structure of the
fullerol-Fe3+ complex."  it does not say the "actual" nor "proven"
structure.

it also states, "Experimental proof of this hypothesis is **in** progress."
not that there is anything conclusively proven about it, at all.  "could be
explained" does not equate to IS explained!

kate

On Oct 7, 1:57 pm, ferr...@paris.com wrote: As usual you do not
understand at a fundimental level the abstracts you
post.    <<

Now I say it is a chelate for iron and you say it .. isn't ..
Write this down .. fullerol forms a complex with iron .. but as you
say .. "this isn't an iron chelate" .. now write this down again ..
fullerol forms a complex with iron .. do you see any difference in
what you say .. and what they say .. ?

It is just the opposite ..

<<snip>>
fullerol formed insoluble complex with Fe3+ and Fe2+.
<<snip>>

FULLEROL AS A LIGAL AND RADICAL TRAPPER
A.  or evi 1, J.  anadanovi -Brunet2, M. Vojinovi -Miloradov1, R.
Kova evi 1, S. Mirkov1, N. Andri 1, G. Bogdanovi 3
1Faculty of Sciences, University of Novi Sad, Yugoslavia
2Faculty of Technology, University of Novi Sad, Yugoslavia
3Institute of Oncology Sremska Kamenica, Yugoslavia
 ABSTRACT
Chemical modification of hydrophobic fullerene C60 molecule yielded
many water-soluble adducts exhibiting the variety of biological
activities. In this paper the results of chemical investigation of
fullerol (polyhydroxy derivate of C60 (C60 (OH) 24) as a ligand for
the iron cations as well as a radical scavenger were presented.
Polyhydroxylated fullerene C60 water-soluble derivative, fullerol,
C60(OH)24, as well as fullerol-Fe+2 and Fe3+ complexes were
synthetized and characterized in the laboratories of the Chemistry
Department, Faculty of Sciences, University of Novi Sad. ESR spin
"trapping" method was used to assay radical scavenging activity of the
fullerol.In water, fullerol formed insoluble complex with Fe3+ and
Fe2+. These complexes were thermally unstable but were soluble in high
alkaline medium. At the pH values close to physiological pH, the
complexes were very stable. This paper presents the hypothetical
structure of the fullerol-Fe3+ complex. We also reported the
experimental investigation of antioxidative properties of fullerol
C60(OH)24 in the chemical model system. Relative intensity (RI) of ESR
signals of PBN-OH (*-phenyl-N-t-butylnitrone-OH) adduct, in the
presence of 0.88 mmol/dm3 of fullerol, were decreased by 82.2%. The
intensity of the new signal was increased by time while the intensity
of the second basic signal of PBN-OH adduct was decreased. Based on
these spectra it can be proposed that the new signal represents a
radical of fullerol C60(OH)24-.. Mechanisms of effects of fullerol in
in vitro model systems could be explained in two ways: either as a
chelate, or as a hydroxy radicals scavenger. Experimental proof of
this hypothesis is in progress.
 Keywords: C60, fullerol: Antioxidant: ESR, .OH: Chelate

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california_chief - 08 Oct 2007 06:03 GMT
pussy numbnutz ironman wrote:

> FULLEROL AS A LIGAL AND RADICAL TRAPPER

> This paper presents the hypothetical structure

> Mechanisms of effects of fullerol in in vitro model systems could be
> explained in two ways: either as a chelate, or as a hydroxy radicals
> scavenger. Experimental proof of  this hypothesis is in progress.

"hypothetical"

"could be explaned in two ways....."

"Experimental proof...."

pussy, you ain't proven anything yet.   The entire paper is about a study in
progress.  So far, everything is "hypothetical."

Is that word too big for you?

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