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Gloria - 05 Oct 2007 00:19 GMT
Hi folks,
I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the car
accident back in May.  Does anybody know anything about "straight neck
syndrome"?  I was rear ended really HARD!  I have been receiving treatment
from a physical therapist.  I'm beginning to wonder if I'm ever going to
recover fully from this.  It doesn't help matters any that I have DDD along
with the RA.

Thanks,
Gloria
qifanwu@gmail.com - 05 Oct 2007 01:06 GMT
> Hi folks,
> I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the car
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks,
> Gloria

Hi,
 I am a Doctor of TCM and Acupuncture, I am sure I can cure your
problem by 1 session of acupuncture, no effective result no charge
even 1 penny. I am in Toronto.Clinic location is : 11 glen watford dr,
Scarborough, ontario. m1s2b8
nanny - 05 Oct 2007 01:22 GMT
I'm not against Acupuncture, but you are taking advantage of Gloria in
claiming what you "can" do in just one session.  That's abuse.  Nanny
>> Hi folks,
>> I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> even 1 penny. I am in Toronto.Clinic location is : 11 glen watford dr,
> Scarborough, ontario. m1s2b8
Gloria - 05 Oct 2007 07:34 GMT
Do you make housecalls?  I live in Alabama.

Gloria

>> Hi folks,
>> I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> even 1 penny. I am in Toronto.Clinic location is : 11 glen watford dr,
> Scarborough, ontario. m1s2b8
nanny - 05 Oct 2007 01:21 GMT
Hi Gloria.  Gloria here ;-)  I've never had a neck injury, but I understand
what you mean by "straight neck syndrome".  Not to discourage you in any
way, but I would think you will always have some degree of pain in the neck
the rest of your life.  My neck is one of the target spots for FM, and even
though I get Chiropractic and Massage Therapy on a regular basis, the pain
never goes away completely.  Just take it a day at a time.  I get some
relief from a combination of Excedrin, Ultram & Soma.  Nanny Glo
> Hi folks,
> I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks,
> Gloria
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 05 Oct 2007 04:24 GMT
Gloria, ask Dr. Saway if shots in the neck would help in this case.  They
are really helpful for my painful neck, but not caused by an accident.
Gwen

> Hi Gloria.  Gloria here ;-)  I've never had a neck injury, but I
> understand what you mean by "straight neck syndrome".  Not to discourage
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>> Thanks,
>> Gloria
Gloria - 05 Oct 2007 07:33 GMT
I've thought about that Gwen. My PT has administered steroids through a
patch that has an electrical current that forces the steroid through the
skin.  That helped a lot, but I've had the limit of 8 treatments.  I've
gotta do something, I can't stand this much longer.

Thanks,
Gloria
> Gloria, ask Dr. Saway if shots in the neck would help in this case.  They
> are really helpful for my painful neck, but not caused by an accident.
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>>> Thanks,
>>> Gloria
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 05 Oct 2007 19:28 GMT
Gloria, my neck isn't straight; it bends the wrong way--also caused by an
auto accident.  We were going around some cars when a VW right in front of
us, pulled out right in front of us.  Instead of hitting them, we took down
a telephone pole right beside the highway.  And the VW didn't stop, just
kept on trucking down the highway.  However, the highway patrol caught up
with them and then they stopped.
Gwen

> I've thought about that Gwen. My PT has administered steroids through a
> patch that has an electrical current that forces the steroid through the
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Gloria
Gloria - 05 Oct 2007 07:28 GMT
What exactly does straight neck syndrome mean?  My GP did the x-rays and he
said instead of a curve in my neck, the vertebrae are in a straight
position.  He says the muscles in my neck are trying to compensate for the
forward and backward motion of my head in the wreck by stiffening and
pulling to try to right the position of my neck.  This compensation has
pulled the vertebrae into a straight position when there should be a gentle
curve. This has caused muscle spasms in my cervical and upper back muscles.
I have  many knots (spasmed muscles) that physical therapy has helped
greatly.  My therapist thinks he's done all he can and this is the best it's
going to get.  I've had 4 months of therapy but I haven't been for therapy
in 6 weeks now, and the pain, stiffness and knots are almost as bad as they
were in the beginning.  I have an order to continue therapy, but if it only
helps by going 3 times a week, I can't do that forever.  I'm having a heck
of a time with the insurance company of the guy that hit me.  I'm about
ready to throw in the towel because I'm tired of fighting them to pay the
medical bills.  But, if this is going to be permanent,  I have to consider
that.  I have only medicare and they don't pay when it's an Motor Vehicle
Accident, or MVA.
Are there any other tests that I should have? I'm thinking I should have an
MRI.  Any other types of tests or treatments?  I've had exercises, heat with
electrical stimulation, ultra sound and a medicated patch with a form of
corticosteroids delivered by electrical current, I forgot what the procedure
is called.  don't know where to go from here, I'm so tired of all of this.

Thanks,
Gloria

> Hi Gloria.  Gloria here ;-)  I've never had a neck injury, but I
> understand what you mean by "straight neck syndrome".  Not to discourage
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>> Thanks,
>> Gloria
spodosaurus - 05 Oct 2007 07:50 GMT
> What exactly does straight neck syndrome mean?  My GP did the x-rays and he
> said instead of a curve in my neck, the vertebrae are in a straight
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> in 6 weeks now, and the pain, stiffness and knots are almost as bad as they
> were in the beginning.

The therapist should have given you ongoing mobility exercises for your
neck.

> I have an order to continue therapy, but if it only
> helps by going 3 times a week, I can't do that forever.  I'm having a heck
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> Are there any other tests that I should have? I'm thinking I should have an
> MRI.

See my other post in this thread :)

> Any other types of tests or treatments?  I've had exercises, heat with
> electrical stimulation, ultra sound and a medicated patch with a form of
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>>> Thanks,
>>> Gloria

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Nann Bell - 05 Oct 2007 13:31 GMT
Gloria, what, if anything, do they have you doing on an ongoing basis at home
to treat this?

Rattling off thoughts:  I've never had "straight neck" but have had a
reversed curve and had an S curve rather than a C curve and have had bulging
discs in my neck.  (geez, it sounds even worse when I list it all together!)  
Chiropractors and home traction eventually settled the first two - for a
while.  I've had good PT for the latter, but was sent home with stuff to do
when things flared up.

Your therapist may have done all he can, but what does he have you doing to
maintain what he accomplished?  At the least, I would think you should have
ongoing stretches and exercises to help.  Also there are a variety of home
treatments you can do to help the muscles settle back the way they should be.
The old tennis balls in a sock for massage and for resting the neck in a
proper curve are simple things but helpful when used regularly.

Oh, and I used to slather on Ben Gay around my neck and upper back muscles to
keep them from pulling things out altogether again between treatments.  And I
still have quite fond memories of the ultrasound unit my first chiro used on
my knotted up muscles.  Man, that was wonderful for getting out those knots.

I know with DDD you have to be a lot more careful about how your spine is
treated, but you might want to ask around about chiros in your area.  A good
one uses a lot of adjunct stuff like massage and ultrasound and exercises to
help you maintain any improvements.  
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janers - 07 Oct 2007 04:38 GMT
Hey Gloria.

I have a big question, you had xrays by a chiro right?  WHY didn't you have an orthopedic doc in the
ER see you.   I have had numerous neck problems and the only real way to SEE that neck and vertebre
is MRI.  The spine may look alright on xray but doesn't show exactly if the disks are ok and if
there is more problems there than you need right now.
IF you are not getting better, that suggests to me that there is something MORE wrong with that neck
than the chiro can take care of.

Been there done that and had to have a fusion done in my neck.  I saw a chiro and had neck problems
for years after my daughter was born, in the 70's so go figure LOL.  I had xrays and such also then
treated with acupuncture and well it worked really well for me. But chiro, no no, made my pain much
much worse.   Kept telling me pain will get  less and muscles pulled etc....but

Please get an MRI ordered by your doctor, family doc or who ever you see.  MRI with contrast, then
you will know.
this is not something to mess with honest.

Let me know and write me privately and I can try and help you out.  Is medcare paying for the chiro?
and why isn't the motor vehcile insurance paying for your care??????  that is the big question.
if it hurts DON"T DO it.   believe me.

huggs
janers
d'huit - 07 Oct 2007 08:01 GMT
gloria,

bummer about the accident and damage to your neck, hon.  first off i think
janers' question/suggestion is a good one.

and i have one question/suggestion to offer, after reading your 3rd
paragraph, which made me go grrrrrrr.  do not trust the other guy's
insurance company, sweetie.  i can tell you from personal experience why
that is not a good thing to do, because of my head-on car wreck that i
didn't cause, but i'd be here all night typing.

why didn't you and i think you should get yourself a personal injury
attorney, on contingency, in view of the unresponsiveness of the other guy's
insurance company.  your attorney will deal with the other guy's insurance
company and you will get action much faster, without the additional stress
and you won't have to worry.  you deserve that, sweetie.

i don't want to alarm you with other things that can happen that i
experienced, so suffice it to say that witnesses, police reports, pertinent
documents and other evidence can get lost if you don't act and get an
attorney soon, hon.  also, there is a statue of limitations for filing this
kind of a lawsuit (in some states it is much less time than in other states)
and if you wait too long to do so, you may wind up incurring losses.
please, do think about getting an attorney to help you.

kate

What exactly does straight neck syndrome mean?  My GP did the x-rays and he
said instead of a curve in my neck, the vertebrae are in a straight
position.  He says the muscles in my neck are trying to compensate for the
forward and backward motion of my head in the wreck by stiffening and
pulling to try to right the position of my neck.  This compensation has
pulled the vertebrae into a straight position when there should be a gentle
curve. This has caused muscle spasms in my cervical and upper back muscles.
I have  many knots (spasmed muscles) that physical therapy has helped
greatly.  My therapist thinks he's done all he can and this is the best it's
going to get.  I've had 4 months of therapy but I haven't been for therapy
in 6 weeks now, and the pain, stiffness and knots are almost as bad as they
were in the beginning.  I have an order to continue therapy, but if it only
helps by going 3 times a week, I can't do that forever.  I'm having a heck
of a time with the insurance company of the guy that hit me.  I'm about
ready to throw in the towel because I'm tired of fighting them to pay the
medical bills.  But, if this is going to be permanent,  I have to consider
that.  I have only medicare and they don't pay when it's an Motor Vehicle
Accident, or MVA.
Are there any other tests that I should have? I'm thinking I should have an
MRI.  Any other types of tests or treatments?  I've had exercises, heat with
electrical stimulation, ultra sound and a medicated patch with a form of
corticosteroids delivered by electrical current, I forgot what the procedure
is called.  don't know where to go from here, I'm so tired of all of this.

Thanks,
Gloria

> Hi Gloria.  Gloria here ;-)  I've never had a neck injury, but I
> understand what you mean by "straight neck syndrome".  Not to discourage
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>> Thanks,
>> Gloria
janers - 07 Oct 2007 15:08 GMT
Boy sometimes I have LOTS Of brain farts Gloria. I see now where you mentioned GP and PT now
Chiro, but all the same it all says GET AN MRI.....

But I also agree with Kate to do what she says.  ME thinks they are stringing you along and once you
have neck injuries believe me they get better but don't go away.  I speak from experience.
Get your own car insurance and ask them for an attorney, will they do that?   Kate is on the money,
this can drag out forever and also this your neck here, not their client's. So do they care?  beats
me but mostly not.

hope you get some answers soon but get that xray. I would demand it and for that matter if the pain
gets worse, get to the ER and then it stems from that accident from what you tell them too.  Let the
insurances fight this one and you get some relief and help

janers
d'huit - 07 Oct 2007 20:32 GMT
<gentle snip>

 "Let the
insurances fight this one" and you get some relief and help

janers

this part, the part i put parentheses around, is not a good idea, sweetie.
part of the problems i ran up against, the one i wasn't going to mention,
had to do with my allowing the insurance companies to work it out between
themselves, before i got an attorney.  the insurance companies involved
(mine and their's) were colluding in favor of their best interests and
against my best interests.

very luckily, for me, i was tipped off by somebody who was employed by one
of those insurance companies, saw my file (and a hand written note that
wasn't intended to go into my file), realized what was happening and had a
conscience.  she wouldn't give me her name and called me from her home,
while i was in a hospital bed, to tell me what was happening and to tell me
to get an attorney.  she told me the insurance companies had worked out a
mutually beneficial arrangement.  whereby, the next time one of their
company's insured clients (who allowed the two companies to work it out,
without legal representation) were seriously injured by one of my insurance
company's clients, the minimization of my claim's payout would be
reciprocated.  i was just incredibly fortunate that somebody cared enough
not to let this happen.

kate
Gloria - 07 Oct 2007 23:43 GMT
Guess what?  I have the same insurance company as he does.  His adjuster
won't pay anything until my doctor releases me (my doctor, Family Practice
and excellent, has a policy that he NEVER release a patient from MVA
injuries, says it's a game they play... yeah, that's what they do!), so I
had to file a claim on my policy for medical payments (I have that coverage)
but it's only for $5000.00 and I'm way past that.  I know an attorney is the
best way to go, but there's slim pickings in my area for a good one.

Gloria

> <gentle snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> kate
d'huit - 08 Oct 2007 00:24 GMT
Guess what?  I have the same insurance company as he does.  His adjuster
won't pay anything until my doctor releases me (my doctor, Family Practice
and excellent, has a policy that he NEVER release a patient from MVA
injuries, says it's a game they play... yeah, that's what they do!), so I
had to file a claim on my policy for medical payments (I have that coverage)
but it's only for $5000.00 and I'm way past that.  I know an attorney is the
best way to go, but there's slim pickings in my area for a good one.

Gloria

uhohhhh.  you have a good doctor, who really knows what's going on.   but a
BIG problem with your insurance company situation.

my attorney got my insurance company to cough up the medical money and the
replacement vehicle money right away.  (actually, i paid $1200 for my tiny
truck brand new the year before and got $1500 from the insurance company, i
think cuz the new price more than doubled in one year.)  got the checks
within the month of hiring him.  and i didn't have to lay out a dime for
further medical treatment, until the case was settled--the hospital and
doctors dealt/worked with him.  in my case, it was third party liability.

have you checked the web or your phone book for attorney referral services?
what helped me was calling/asking friends and relatives for one they thought
was good at it in our area, somebody who had been in the news a lot because
of winning cases.  or,--i just flashed on this idea-- you might want to try
calling the local newspaper or tv station and ask them who winds up in their
news a lot because of winning cases.

if he's a good attorney, even from a few towns over, he'll do any distance
driving for you--come to you.  mine did.

kate

> <gentle snip>
>
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
>
> kate
Gloria - 08 Oct 2007 01:23 GMT
Thanks for making me think of something, his adjuster had no problem paying
for my car to be fixed, and they did that right away.  So what's the
difference in paying for my medical bills as I go?  It's a great big game
with them!  I'm fighting not just one adjuster, but two since I had to file
for the med pay part on my own policy and my adjuster is worse than his, she
stupid.  I could say a lot more ......if sitting at the computer didn't make
hurt my neck so much!
Gloria

> Guess what?  I have the same insurance company as he does.  His adjuster
> won't pay anything until my doctor releases me (my doctor, Family Practice
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
>>
>> kate
d'huit - 08 Oct 2007 17:32 GMT
Thanks for making me think of something, his adjuster had no problem paying
for my car to be fixed, and they did that right away.  So what's the
difference in paying for my medical bills as I go?

***i don't really know, so i'm guessing here.

a car can be fixed, over and done with--attitude, "i'll admit to damaging
that and take care of it!"  a one time write-off that is objectifiable in
its amount.

but, certain kinds of body injuries may require ongoing care and repairs for
a lifetime--attitude, "i won't admit to damaging that and consequently have
to commit myself to taking care of it!"  meaning, that insurance companies
dread and try to avoid the financial consequences of serious injuries,
because it means big bucks to their bottom line.  mainly, because the outlay
will be ongoing and has to be projected, quantified to be put into a
lumpsum.  this process can wind up being dependent upon subjectives.
insurance companies are masters of data accumulation and creating
probability tables.  they don't like uncertainties, which is why they
accumulate data and create probability tables in the first place.

It's a great big game
with them!

***in a sense, you are right.  the gambit is:  sacrifice as much of your
longterm health care, due to these injuries, as they can, to secure their
black-ink bottom line.

I'm fighting not just one adjuster, but two since I had to file
for the med pay part on my own policy and my adjuster is worse than his, she
stupid.

***that's definitely part of the problem with having both partys insured by
the same company.  though, her apparent stupidity might be the result of
mixed messages coming at her from both sides of the company's dilemma.

I could say a lot more ......if sitting at the computer didn't make
hurt my neck so much!

((((((((((((((((((gloria)))))))))))))))

kate
Gloria

> Guess what?  I have the same insurance company as he does.  His adjuster
> won't pay anything until my doctor releases me (my doctor, Family Practice
[quoted text clipped - 74 lines]
>>
>> kate
spodosaurus - 05 Oct 2007 07:47 GMT
> Hi folks,
> I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the car
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks,
> Gloria

Have you had ab MRI or CT to determine if there was disk damage?
Something similar happened to me in 2003 and it bulged three cervical
discs...permanently.

Ari

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fridaykaye24@yahoo.com - 06 Nov 2007 04:03 GMT
> Hi folks,
> I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the car
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks,
> Gloria

hi, sorry to hear about your injury, i too have a seriuos neck injury
that occurred back in june of 2002.  it was so bad that my left arm
was going numb at first, then it started to hurt constantly. finaly i
lost mobility in that arm. going to a nuerologist, they took an mri of
my neck and found that the vertbre c5, 6, and 7 were so bad that they
had started pinching the nerves that controlled the problematic arm.
the problem was so bad that after they got the results from the mri,
they immidiatly operated on my neck that week; surgically placing a
titanium plate with screws through the front of my neck. now after 5
years, im begining to have the same sypmtoms all over again after
going to another doctor, i was told to get another mri. after
recieving the new mri, the diagnosis was that the first surgery was
never done completly right. so now, they want me to have another
surgery to fix something that shouldve been done right the first time.
now im unsure and scared to let them do any other surgerys again to
try to fix the problem. beware of surgery, there is never any garuntee
that you will be back to normal. i dont know if the doctors told you
but if you decide to get surgery you will loose 50% of your mobility
in the problem area. sleeping is the most difficult brcause you can
only lie on your back. if you wish to discuss any other of my
experiences please feel freee to respond. hope everything goes well.
Harvey R. Stone - 06 Nov 2007 12:30 GMT
>> Hi folks,
>> I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> only lie on your back. if you wish to discuss any other of my
> experiences please feel freee to respond. hope everything goes well.

Hi,,,,  Please do not wait to have this done.   If the first procedure has
shifted, the nerves that are getting pressure can have damage and the area
they control can be damaged.   My experience is from a friend that broke his
neck in a back flip fall in his garage and what he went through with his
neck, arm, ect.ect.
Harv
 
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