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Gloria - 05 Oct 2007 00:19 GMT Hi folks, I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the car accident back in May. Does anybody know anything about "straight neck syndrome"? I was rear ended really HARD! I have been receiving treatment from a physical therapist. I'm beginning to wonder if I'm ever going to recover fully from this. It doesn't help matters any that I have DDD along with the RA.
Thanks, Gloria
qifanwu@gmail.com - 05 Oct 2007 01:06 GMT > Hi folks, > I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the car [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks, > Gloria Hi, I am a Doctor of TCM and Acupuncture, I am sure I can cure your problem by 1 session of acupuncture, no effective result no charge even 1 penny. I am in Toronto.Clinic location is : 11 glen watford dr, Scarborough, ontario. m1s2b8
nanny - 05 Oct 2007 01:22 GMT I'm not against Acupuncture, but you are taking advantage of Gloria in claiming what you "can" do in just one session. That's abuse. Nanny
>> Hi folks, >> I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > even 1 penny. I am in Toronto.Clinic location is : 11 glen watford dr, > Scarborough, ontario. m1s2b8 Gloria - 05 Oct 2007 07:34 GMT Do you make housecalls? I live in Alabama.
Gloria
>> Hi folks, >> I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > even 1 penny. I am in Toronto.Clinic location is : 11 glen watford dr, > Scarborough, ontario. m1s2b8 nanny - 05 Oct 2007 01:21 GMT Hi Gloria. Gloria here ;-) I've never had a neck injury, but I understand what you mean by "straight neck syndrome". Not to discourage you in any way, but I would think you will always have some degree of pain in the neck the rest of your life. My neck is one of the target spots for FM, and even though I get Chiropractic and Massage Therapy on a regular basis, the pain never goes away completely. Just take it a day at a time. I get some relief from a combination of Excedrin, Ultram & Soma. Nanny Glo
> Hi folks, > I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks, > Gloria sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 05 Oct 2007 04:24 GMT Gloria, ask Dr. Saway if shots in the neck would help in this case. They are really helpful for my painful neck, but not caused by an accident. Gwen
> Hi Gloria. Gloria here ;-) I've never had a neck injury, but I > understand what you mean by "straight neck syndrome". Not to discourage [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> Thanks, >> Gloria Gloria - 05 Oct 2007 07:33 GMT I've thought about that Gwen. My PT has administered steroids through a patch that has an electrical current that forces the steroid through the skin. That helped a lot, but I've had the limit of 8 treatments. I've gotta do something, I can't stand this much longer.
Thanks, Gloria
> Gloria, ask Dr. Saway if shots in the neck would help in this case. They > are really helpful for my painful neck, but not caused by an accident. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >>> Thanks, >>> Gloria sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 05 Oct 2007 19:28 GMT Gloria, my neck isn't straight; it bends the wrong way--also caused by an auto accident. We were going around some cars when a VW right in front of us, pulled out right in front of us. Instead of hitting them, we took down a telephone pole right beside the highway. And the VW didn't stop, just kept on trucking down the highway. However, the highway patrol caught up with them and then they stopped. Gwen
> I've thought about that Gwen. My PT has administered steroids through a > patch that has an electrical current that forces the steroid through the [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >>>> Thanks, >>>> Gloria Gloria - 05 Oct 2007 07:28 GMT What exactly does straight neck syndrome mean? My GP did the x-rays and he said instead of a curve in my neck, the vertebrae are in a straight position. He says the muscles in my neck are trying to compensate for the forward and backward motion of my head in the wreck by stiffening and pulling to try to right the position of my neck. This compensation has pulled the vertebrae into a straight position when there should be a gentle curve. This has caused muscle spasms in my cervical and upper back muscles. I have many knots (spasmed muscles) that physical therapy has helped greatly. My therapist thinks he's done all he can and this is the best it's going to get. I've had 4 months of therapy but I haven't been for therapy in 6 weeks now, and the pain, stiffness and knots are almost as bad as they were in the beginning. I have an order to continue therapy, but if it only helps by going 3 times a week, I can't do that forever. I'm having a heck of a time with the insurance company of the guy that hit me. I'm about ready to throw in the towel because I'm tired of fighting them to pay the medical bills. But, if this is going to be permanent, I have to consider that. I have only medicare and they don't pay when it's an Motor Vehicle Accident, or MVA. Are there any other tests that I should have? I'm thinking I should have an MRI. Any other types of tests or treatments? I've had exercises, heat with electrical stimulation, ultra sound and a medicated patch with a form of corticosteroids delivered by electrical current, I forgot what the procedure is called. don't know where to go from here, I'm so tired of all of this.
Thanks, Gloria
> Hi Gloria. Gloria here ;-) I've never had a neck injury, but I > understand what you mean by "straight neck syndrome". Not to discourage [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> Thanks, >> Gloria spodosaurus - 05 Oct 2007 07:50 GMT > What exactly does straight neck syndrome mean? My GP did the x-rays and he > said instead of a curve in my neck, the vertebrae are in a straight [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > in 6 weeks now, and the pain, stiffness and knots are almost as bad as they > were in the beginning. The therapist should have given you ongoing mobility exercises for your neck.
> I have an order to continue therapy, but if it only > helps by going 3 times a week, I can't do that forever. I'm having a heck [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Are there any other tests that I should have? I'm thinking I should have an > MRI. See my other post in this thread :)
> Any other types of tests or treatments? I've had exercises, heat with > electrical stimulation, ultra sound and a medicated patch with a form of [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>> Thanks, >>> Gloria
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Nann Bell - 05 Oct 2007 13:31 GMT Gloria, what, if anything, do they have you doing on an ongoing basis at home to treat this?
Rattling off thoughts: I've never had "straight neck" but have had a reversed curve and had an S curve rather than a C curve and have had bulging discs in my neck. (geez, it sounds even worse when I list it all together!) Chiropractors and home traction eventually settled the first two - for a while. I've had good PT for the latter, but was sent home with stuff to do when things flared up.
Your therapist may have done all he can, but what does he have you doing to maintain what he accomplished? At the least, I would think you should have ongoing stretches and exercises to help. Also there are a variety of home treatments you can do to help the muscles settle back the way they should be. The old tennis balls in a sock for massage and for resting the neck in a proper curve are simple things but helpful when used regularly.
Oh, and I used to slather on Ben Gay around my neck and upper back muscles to keep them from pulling things out altogether again between treatments. And I still have quite fond memories of the ultrasound unit my first chiro used on my knotted up muscles. Man, that was wonderful for getting out those knots.
I know with DDD you have to be a lot more careful about how your spine is treated, but you might want to ask around about chiros in your area. A good one uses a lot of adjunct stuff like massage and ultrasound and exercises to help you maintain any improvements.
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janers - 07 Oct 2007 04:38 GMT Hey Gloria.
I have a big question, you had xrays by a chiro right? WHY didn't you have an orthopedic doc in the ER see you. I have had numerous neck problems and the only real way to SEE that neck and vertebre is MRI. The spine may look alright on xray but doesn't show exactly if the disks are ok and if there is more problems there than you need right now. IF you are not getting better, that suggests to me that there is something MORE wrong with that neck than the chiro can take care of.
Been there done that and had to have a fusion done in my neck. I saw a chiro and had neck problems for years after my daughter was born, in the 70's so go figure LOL. I had xrays and such also then treated with acupuncture and well it worked really well for me. But chiro, no no, made my pain much much worse. Kept telling me pain will get less and muscles pulled etc....but
Please get an MRI ordered by your doctor, family doc or who ever you see. MRI with contrast, then you will know. this is not something to mess with honest.
Let me know and write me privately and I can try and help you out. Is medcare paying for the chiro? and why isn't the motor vehcile insurance paying for your care?????? that is the big question. if it hurts DON"T DO it. believe me.
huggs janers
d'huit - 07 Oct 2007 08:01 GMT gloria,
bummer about the accident and damage to your neck, hon. first off i think janers' question/suggestion is a good one.
and i have one question/suggestion to offer, after reading your 3rd paragraph, which made me go grrrrrrr. do not trust the other guy's insurance company, sweetie. i can tell you from personal experience why that is not a good thing to do, because of my head-on car wreck that i didn't cause, but i'd be here all night typing.
why didn't you and i think you should get yourself a personal injury attorney, on contingency, in view of the unresponsiveness of the other guy's insurance company. your attorney will deal with the other guy's insurance company and you will get action much faster, without the additional stress and you won't have to worry. you deserve that, sweetie.
i don't want to alarm you with other things that can happen that i experienced, so suffice it to say that witnesses, police reports, pertinent documents and other evidence can get lost if you don't act and get an attorney soon, hon. also, there is a statue of limitations for filing this kind of a lawsuit (in some states it is much less time than in other states) and if you wait too long to do so, you may wind up incurring losses. please, do think about getting an attorney to help you.
kate
What exactly does straight neck syndrome mean? My GP did the x-rays and he said instead of a curve in my neck, the vertebrae are in a straight position. He says the muscles in my neck are trying to compensate for the forward and backward motion of my head in the wreck by stiffening and pulling to try to right the position of my neck. This compensation has pulled the vertebrae into a straight position when there should be a gentle curve. This has caused muscle spasms in my cervical and upper back muscles. I have many knots (spasmed muscles) that physical therapy has helped greatly. My therapist thinks he's done all he can and this is the best it's going to get. I've had 4 months of therapy but I haven't been for therapy in 6 weeks now, and the pain, stiffness and knots are almost as bad as they were in the beginning. I have an order to continue therapy, but if it only helps by going 3 times a week, I can't do that forever. I'm having a heck of a time with the insurance company of the guy that hit me. I'm about ready to throw in the towel because I'm tired of fighting them to pay the medical bills. But, if this is going to be permanent, I have to consider that. I have only medicare and they don't pay when it's an Motor Vehicle Accident, or MVA. Are there any other tests that I should have? I'm thinking I should have an MRI. Any other types of tests or treatments? I've had exercises, heat with electrical stimulation, ultra sound and a medicated patch with a form of corticosteroids delivered by electrical current, I forgot what the procedure is called. don't know where to go from here, I'm so tired of all of this.
Thanks, Gloria
> Hi Gloria. Gloria here ;-) I've never had a neck injury, but I > understand what you mean by "straight neck syndrome". Not to discourage [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> Thanks, >> Gloria janers - 07 Oct 2007 15:08 GMT Boy sometimes I have LOTS Of brain farts Gloria. I see now where you mentioned GP and PT now Chiro, but all the same it all says GET AN MRI.....
But I also agree with Kate to do what she says. ME thinks they are stringing you along and once you have neck injuries believe me they get better but don't go away. I speak from experience. Get your own car insurance and ask them for an attorney, will they do that? Kate is on the money, this can drag out forever and also this your neck here, not their client's. So do they care? beats me but mostly not.
hope you get some answers soon but get that xray. I would demand it and for that matter if the pain gets worse, get to the ER and then it stems from that accident from what you tell them too. Let the insurances fight this one and you get some relief and help
janers
d'huit - 07 Oct 2007 20:32 GMT <gentle snip>
"Let the insurances fight this one" and you get some relief and help
janers
this part, the part i put parentheses around, is not a good idea, sweetie. part of the problems i ran up against, the one i wasn't going to mention, had to do with my allowing the insurance companies to work it out between themselves, before i got an attorney. the insurance companies involved (mine and their's) were colluding in favor of their best interests and against my best interests.
very luckily, for me, i was tipped off by somebody who was employed by one of those insurance companies, saw my file (and a hand written note that wasn't intended to go into my file), realized what was happening and had a conscience. she wouldn't give me her name and called me from her home, while i was in a hospital bed, to tell me what was happening and to tell me to get an attorney. she told me the insurance companies had worked out a mutually beneficial arrangement. whereby, the next time one of their company's insured clients (who allowed the two companies to work it out, without legal representation) were seriously injured by one of my insurance company's clients, the minimization of my claim's payout would be reciprocated. i was just incredibly fortunate that somebody cared enough not to let this happen.
kate
Gloria - 07 Oct 2007 23:43 GMT Guess what? I have the same insurance company as he does. His adjuster won't pay anything until my doctor releases me (my doctor, Family Practice and excellent, has a policy that he NEVER release a patient from MVA injuries, says it's a game they play... yeah, that's what they do!), so I had to file a claim on my policy for medical payments (I have that coverage) but it's only for $5000.00 and I'm way past that. I know an attorney is the best way to go, but there's slim pickings in my area for a good one.
Gloria
> <gentle snip> > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > kate d'huit - 08 Oct 2007 00:24 GMT Guess what? I have the same insurance company as he does. His adjuster won't pay anything until my doctor releases me (my doctor, Family Practice and excellent, has a policy that he NEVER release a patient from MVA injuries, says it's a game they play... yeah, that's what they do!), so I had to file a claim on my policy for medical payments (I have that coverage) but it's only for $5000.00 and I'm way past that. I know an attorney is the best way to go, but there's slim pickings in my area for a good one.
Gloria
uhohhhh. you have a good doctor, who really knows what's going on. but a BIG problem with your insurance company situation.
my attorney got my insurance company to cough up the medical money and the replacement vehicle money right away. (actually, i paid $1200 for my tiny truck brand new the year before and got $1500 from the insurance company, i think cuz the new price more than doubled in one year.) got the checks within the month of hiring him. and i didn't have to lay out a dime for further medical treatment, until the case was settled--the hospital and doctors dealt/worked with him. in my case, it was third party liability.
have you checked the web or your phone book for attorney referral services? what helped me was calling/asking friends and relatives for one they thought was good at it in our area, somebody who had been in the news a lot because of winning cases. or,--i just flashed on this idea-- you might want to try calling the local newspaper or tv station and ask them who winds up in their news a lot because of winning cases.
if he's a good attorney, even from a few towns over, he'll do any distance driving for you--come to you. mine did.
kate
> <gentle snip> > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > kate Gloria - 08 Oct 2007 01:23 GMT Thanks for making me think of something, his adjuster had no problem paying for my car to be fixed, and they did that right away. So what's the difference in paying for my medical bills as I go? It's a great big game with them! I'm fighting not just one adjuster, but two since I had to file for the med pay part on my own policy and my adjuster is worse than his, she stupid. I could say a lot more ......if sitting at the computer didn't make hurt my neck so much! Gloria
> Guess what? I have the same insurance company as he does. His adjuster > won't pay anything until my doctor releases me (my doctor, Family Practice [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] >> >> kate d'huit - 08 Oct 2007 17:32 GMT Thanks for making me think of something, his adjuster had no problem paying for my car to be fixed, and they did that right away. So what's the difference in paying for my medical bills as I go?
***i don't really know, so i'm guessing here.
a car can be fixed, over and done with--attitude, "i'll admit to damaging that and take care of it!" a one time write-off that is objectifiable in its amount.
but, certain kinds of body injuries may require ongoing care and repairs for a lifetime--attitude, "i won't admit to damaging that and consequently have to commit myself to taking care of it!" meaning, that insurance companies dread and try to avoid the financial consequences of serious injuries, because it means big bucks to their bottom line. mainly, because the outlay will be ongoing and has to be projected, quantified to be put into a lumpsum. this process can wind up being dependent upon subjectives. insurance companies are masters of data accumulation and creating probability tables. they don't like uncertainties, which is why they accumulate data and create probability tables in the first place.
It's a great big game with them!
***in a sense, you are right. the gambit is: sacrifice as much of your longterm health care, due to these injuries, as they can, to secure their black-ink bottom line.
I'm fighting not just one adjuster, but two since I had to file for the med pay part on my own policy and my adjuster is worse than his, she stupid.
***that's definitely part of the problem with having both partys insured by the same company. though, her apparent stupidity might be the result of mixed messages coming at her from both sides of the company's dilemma.
I could say a lot more ......if sitting at the computer didn't make hurt my neck so much!
((((((((((((((((((gloria)))))))))))))))
kate Gloria
> Guess what? I have the same insurance company as he does. His adjuster > won't pay anything until my doctor releases me (my doctor, Family Practice [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] >> >> kate spodosaurus - 05 Oct 2007 07:47 GMT > Hi folks, > I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the car [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks, > Gloria Have you had ab MRI or CT to determine if there was disk damage? Something similar happened to me in 2003 and it bulged three cervical discs...permanently.
Ari
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fridaykaye24@yahoo.com - 06 Nov 2007 04:03 GMT > Hi folks, > I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the car [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks, > Gloria hi, sorry to hear about your injury, i too have a seriuos neck injury that occurred back in june of 2002. it was so bad that my left arm was going numb at first, then it started to hurt constantly. finaly i lost mobility in that arm. going to a nuerologist, they took an mri of my neck and found that the vertbre c5, 6, and 7 were so bad that they had started pinching the nerves that controlled the problematic arm. the problem was so bad that after they got the results from the mri, they immidiatly operated on my neck that week; surgically placing a titanium plate with screws through the front of my neck. now after 5 years, im begining to have the same sypmtoms all over again after going to another doctor, i was told to get another mri. after recieving the new mri, the diagnosis was that the first surgery was never done completly right. so now, they want me to have another surgery to fix something that shouldve been done right the first time. now im unsure and scared to let them do any other surgerys again to try to fix the problem. beware of surgery, there is never any garuntee that you will be back to normal. i dont know if the doctors told you but if you decide to get surgery you will loose 50% of your mobility in the problem area. sleeping is the most difficult brcause you can only lie on your back. if you wish to discuss any other of my experiences please feel freee to respond. hope everything goes well.
Harvey R. Stone - 06 Nov 2007 12:30 GMT >> Hi folks, >> I'm still having a lot of trouble with the neck injury I received in the [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > only lie on your back. if you wish to discuss any other of my > experiences please feel freee to respond. hope everything goes well. Hi,,,, Please do not wait to have this done. If the first procedure has shifted, the nerves that are getting pressure can have damage and the area they control can be damaged. My experience is from a friend that broke his neck in a back flip fall in his garage and what he went through with his neck, arm, ect.ect. Harv
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