I am an expert at cupping and have hadseveral years of experience.
Performed and witnessed hundreds of proceedures. The claims for the
medical benefits of cupping are granted all anecdotal. A few years ago
there was a joint effort between doctors in England and doctors in
Syria to validate the benefits, I should like to search for that. As I
recall their experiments yielded positive results for many ailments.
Nonetheless, the general medical community is not the least bit
interested in what is effectively free treatment that is almost
impossible to control and profit from. The actual mechanics of cupping
are quite simple but as with all real natural healing, a healer who is
authorized by another real healer should be the only people engaging
in such practices. Real healers do not charge for cupping, only
accepting charity that in facts promotes the healing and offers a
protection all it's own. Tithing is a form of protection and cleaning
- a concept lost in the western and christian world.
Now for the limited science lesson. Blood extrapulated from cupping is
scientifically proven to be comprised of only dead blood cells. Unlike
blood extrapultaed from the vein, mostly living cells. Thus cupping
rids the body of dead blood cells. What benefit do dead blood cells
have on the body. NOTHING. They do nothing but harm the cardiovascular
system. The clog up the works. They prevent the body from recieving
proper oxegenation - a critical component in healing. Cupping does not
cure disease - it cleans the body so the body is more effective in
healing itself.
Think of a car radiator. If it is not flushed periodically it will
cause the car to overheat.
Who needs cupping are mostly sexual active men 35 and older - AS A
PREVENTATIVE THEAPY, not a cure for aliments. A women's cycle acts
very similar to cupping therapy and thus women need not do cupping
until after menapause.
I have had cupping performed on me by experts, perhaps a dozen times.
The benefits have been clear for me, which is what caught my intrest
and made me continue to study this field. I have been authorized by a
real healer. I have never charged for cupping and no one has ever
charged me for cupping. The barber shops in the Middle East do charge
and mostly have no idea what they are doing. I have seen barbers
perform cupping in Syria and it is a bit scary. Nonetheless, I do not
think anyone has been harmed.Blood born illness is rare in Syria. I do
imagine there have been some cases where persons have contracted
illness. There is no data.
What I object to is letting the medical mafia regulate this so they
can profit from it. Cuppers are healers, not business people, not
doctors.
I am currently getting beat up for having offered a URL to a free site
where people can more information. The hiccup is that we do not accept
payment for services or solicite doations - what we did do is offer an
e-book that if requested can be had for free. We present it as a sale
with an option to request for free because we find this more
honorable. We never charge for the actual service but we felt that
those already profiting from doing cuppin WRONG would be willing to
give something to find out how to do it RIGHT. Most accupuncturists
and many chiropractors are doing cupping in the States. They are doing
it wrong and e wanted to provide a method to correct this. Anyone
wanting to come to a cupping session can see what we do for free. And
again, anyone can request the material for free. I am amazed at the
hostility coming from some people in this forum towards what was a
genuine offer to inform and help. I digess . . . .
Cupping in fact is sanctioned and recommended by Prophets. The Jews
claim it's orgins, so do the Buddists - we are believing ourselves
that Buddah was a Prophet as was Moses. Leach and larva therapy is now
an accepted form of treatment in micro surgery - once though
barbaric.
The major risk assocaited with cupping is resting afterwards and
promoting blood clotting. Done properly, I have never heard of or
experenced any problems.
Arthritis is caused by not living right and from the gazzilion
artificial chemicals and poisons in our daily lives. Yes, cupping ill
help. Cooking sheeps feet in a soup until reduced to a jell also
works. Eat a tablespoon full each morning. I would point you to the
free information on our site, but I do not wish to get into another
prolonged battle with the self appointed forum police. You may take
the pills - this works much better.
My advice is to also stop masterbating - at least cut down - but I do
not think anyone wants to talk about that relationship to arthritis.
If we lived as we were intended to live for the purpose that we were
created for - we would not see the amount of illness and disease we
experience. A simple healthy life dedicated to HIM is the answer.
If you have any questions about cupping, feel free to ask.
Cupping does not cure arthritis - but it does help let the body cure
itself.
might as well parse this one:
> I am an expert at cupping and have hadseveral years of experience.
no verification for self-proclaimed status
> Performed and witnessed hundreds of proceedures.
ditto
>The claims for the
> medical benefits of cupping are granted all anecdotal.
true
>A few years ago
> there was a joint effort between doctors in England and doctors in
> Syria to validate the benefits, I should like to search for that.
since you state it is/was several years ago, why haven't you already
done so
>As I
> recall their experiments yielded positive results for many ailments.
no documentation
> Nonetheless, the general medical community is not the least bit
> interested in what is effectively free treatment that is almost
> impossible to control and profit from.
the actual numbers of trials, studies, and reports of alternative
procedures that are well known prove this to be untrue as to the level
of interest, and your statement re the monetary issue is simply your
attempt to broadbrush indict without any factual information as to this
specific isuse.
>The actual mechanics of cupping
> are quite simple but as with all real natural healing, a healer who is
> authorized
authorized'?
>by another real healer
and just who, or what, verifies and authorizes the
healer...'another'...an example of self-proclamation
it's more than a bit difficlt to ascertain legitimacy when things are
operated on the basis of:
"If you are asking for titles, degrees, resumes, certificates,
references, you have come to the wrong place."
make a claim, but don't have to prove anything...uh-huh
>should be the only people engaging
> in such practices.
and we all just take their word for it
>Real healers do not charge for cupping,
only in some arenas. your all incompassing statement is factual for only
a small percentage of alternative practioners.
>only
> accepting charity that in facts promotes the healing
in what way is this supposedly accomplished? you are espousing a
mystical aspect
>and offers a
> protection all it's own.
'protection? ...
>Tithing is
to the believer, is a compulsary practice - hardly voluntary
>a form of protection and cleaning
'cleaning'? no substance accompanying this statement
> - a concept lost in the western and christian world.
which perhaps is as a result of watching what those receiving such
tithes 'do' with the monies guilted from the flock?
here is one of your writings:
"Inconspicuously, money, if that was what was given, was concealed in an
envelope or small gift box and presented to the healer after the act of
treatment"
so, it's hidden but everyone knows what it is...that is nothing more
than avoidance of 'naming'.
don't talk about it, but everyone knows what is expected, and what is
there...
kind of like those 'tours' you promote to the middle east - everryone
pays their way, and you are along as 'guide' you say:
"They earn nothing from these tours other than the satisfaction of
sharing their experiences with you."
but isn't it true that the tour pays your way? so you do receive
something don't you? two trips a year isn't it?, not bad...
also speaking of money and product - you praise panera bread for their
work and blast wonder thrift bakery [stillwater]...that wouldn't be
because the one gives you stuff and the other doesn't, now would it?
> Now for the limited science lesson.
limited is accurate so far...
>Blood extrapulated from cupping is
> scientifically proven
other than you 'word' for it, where are your citations and proofs?
>to be comprised of only dead blood cells.
since it comes out red, and only a live cell can carry the oxy that
makes it red, they cannot be dead.
you are proving a lack of science on your part. just what citation can
you give for this satement of yours?
>Unlike
> blood extrapultaed
what?????? 'extrapulated' is the closest i can infer, but that makes no
sense.
>from the vein, mostly living cells. Thus cupping
> rids the body of dead blood cells.
so you say, where is the science behind your assertion? as a result the
next portion is meaningless
>What benefit do dead blood cells
> have on the body. NOTHING.
duh...the body voids waste product and sloughs off and replaces cells
constantly - it does so however, by an orderly process of elimination -
not - thru proximity to caplliaries at the dermal layer.
>They do nothing but harm the cardiovascular
> system.
again, duh....
>The clog up the works.
what? citation for this...the healthy body does no such thing.
>They prevent the body from recieving
> proper oxegenation
the supposed logic appears to be that the dead cells take up the space
of healthy cells? show proof
>- a critical component in healing. Cupping does not
> cure disease -
yet you have occasionally been given to throw the 'cure' word out there
now haven't lyou?
>it cleans the body so the body is more effective in
> healing itself.
yet you haven't been able to give a single citation...
> Think of a car radiator. If it is not flushed periodically it will
> cause the car to overheat.
so, these 'dead' cells will make you blow a gasket? is that why you've
gotten so testy in your replies?
you're too full of dead cells...
> Who needs cupping are mostly sexual active men 35 and older - AS A
> PREVENTATIVE THEAPY, not a cure for aliments.
another of those unexplained assertions
>A women's cycle acts
> very similar to cupping therapy and thus women need not do cupping
> until after menapause.
uh-huh
> I have had cupping performed on me by experts, perhaps a dozen times.
but you claim it needs to be so much more often than that. and by the
way, who are these supposed experts anyway?
> The benefits have been clear for me,
sure sounds like placebo effect at this point.
>which is what caught my intrest
> and made me continue to study this field.
where, when, for how long,
>I have been authorized by a
> real healer.
conveniently left unnamed
>I have never charged for cupping and no one has ever
> charged me for cupping.
but you paid none the less...
>The barber shops in the Middle East do charge
> and mostly have no idea what they are doing.
ah yes those nasty barbers carrying on tradtion - but you know better...
>I have seen barbers
> perform cupping in Syria and it is a bit scary.
but of course yours isn't...
>Nonetheless, I do not
> think anyone has been harmed.
'think'? for someone so devoted to the issue why haven't you researched
it?
>Blood born illness is rare in Syria.
citation? how about cutaneous leishmaniasis it's endemic there. and
you'll find brucellosis, malaria, west nile virus, measles, polio, and a
hos tof other conditions...
>I do
> imagine there have been some cases where persons have contracted
> illness. There is no data.
really now? perhaps you mean contractiong it from the cuppoing
procedure? but since nothing is regulated how would anyone know or find
out?
> What I object to is letting the medical mafia regulate this so they
> can profit from it.
i'm sure you do, but just waht do you espose for safety and
certification? ah that's right, one healer to the next...with no
safeguards other than your word...
>Cuppers are healers, not business people, not
> doctors.
horse hockey - healers have always been 'supported' by the tribe, clan,
or whatever social grouping existed.
that is the simplest form of business there is.
> I am currently getting beat up for having offered a URL to a free site
> where people can more information.
untrue, you got soundly rebutted for your attitude
>The hiccup is that we do not accept
> payment for services or solicite doations -
thils is so baltently false that i have to call it the lie
thruout your site you have repepated reference to 'how' to make donation
- you are entirely too savvy not hto have written the way you did for
the emotioanl tulg it would give - it's called amrketing and your are
quite proficient at at. 'oh we don't 'ask' for a donation - over -and -
over - and over again...'is' asking bubba - and you know it.
>what we did do is offer an
> e-book that if requested can be had for free. We present it as a sale
> with an option to request for free because we find this more
> honorable.
and a durned good marketing play too -
>We never charge for the actual service but we felt that
> those already profiting from doing cuppin WRONG would be willing to
> give something to find out how to do it RIGHT.
lyupper, so you so hope...
>Most accupuncturists
> and many chiropractors are doing cupping in the States. They are doing
> it wrong and e wanted to provide a method to correct this.
yet you are stuck away in the boondocks aand haven't even bothered to
find the stul;dies that may be out there...oh ! you're trying sooooo
hard...
>Anyone
> wanting to come to a cupping session can see what we do for free. And
> again, anyone can request the material for free. I am amazed at the
> hostility coming from some people in this forum towards what was a
> genuine offer to inform and help. I digess . . . .
no you don't - you're just trying to get in one more plug...
> Cupping in fact is sanctioned and recommended by Prophets.
and what certification did they have?
>The Jews
> claim it's orgins, so do the Buddists - we are believing ourselves
> that Buddah was a Prophet as was Moses.
relevance?
?Leach and larva therapy is now
> an accepted form of treatment in micro surgery - once though
> barbaric.
as a result of those terrible western docs that you rail against doing
the work to find the proofs that it does work - funny about that...
> The major risk assocaited with cupping is resting afterwards and
> promoting blood clotting. Done properly, I have never heard of or
> experenced any problems.
but you haven't really done any work to find the citations. gosh...
> Arthritis is caused by not living right and from the gazzilion
> artificial chemicals and poisons in our daily lives.
ahem...not true bubba - you fail to have even a basic understanding of
biology, genetics, auto-immune, and the list goes -
>Yes, cupping ill
> help.
not for my type it won't
>Cooking sheeps feet in a soup until reduced to a jell also
> works.
no, it doesn't
>Eat a tablespoon full each morning. I would point you to the
> free information on our site, but I do not wish to get into another
> prolonged battle with the self appointed forum police.
dul;rn good thing you don't bubba - 'cause you know what will result
>You may take
> the pills - this works much better.
your unsuppoorted owrd - cause that's all you have....
> My advice is to also stop masterbating -
well, can we ask for you to stop the emotional masturbation that you
have been exhibiting here for several days nowa? it really is unseemly
of you...
>at least cut down - but I do
> not think anyone wants to talk about that relationship to arthritis.
lolololololololololol
> If we lived as we were intended to live for the purpose that we were
> created for - we would not see the amount of illness and disease we
> experience.
that, is actually a valid staement - even if you have it buried amongst
a whole lot of blather.
>A simple healthy life dedicated to HIM is the answer.
very paternalistic of you - not at all inclusive...
> If you have any questions about cupping, feel free to ask.
yawn
> Cupping does not cure arthritis - but it does help let the body cure
> itself.
unfounded and unsupported by anything included in your information or
site.
bobbyD - 25 Sep 2007 02:13 GMT
> might as well parse this one:
mega holes you have poked in this cuppers baloney,, perhaps this should cure
it of this blood suckin practice,,,
- and i now think the cuppin method could cure,, but might need mega
suction pressure, like ohh opening an airlock on the space shuttle with no
space suit on,, the ultimate cupping experience this would be,, suck the
eyeballs right outta ya,, and all yer diseases too, sucked right out into
space,,,
cuppin as a form of what???? making a hickey on your back???
anyone who would pay for this garbage,, needs to buy bees and start
injecting, and get some sheep ovaries and start eatin. put magnets in yer
shoes, and a pyramid on yer head,
these folks would be on TV too, sunday mornings,, lettin benny hinn smack em
on the forhead to cure their paralysis
i just dont understand what drives folks to lose all rational thought and
pay for these retarded services. from palm readings, to Re-birthings, to
healing by touch,, to past lives, to religous healing tv shows, to herbal
Cures, to pychic services, to ghost cleansings,, to smeels as a cure, to
bathing in ground up placentas from 7 sisters who gave birth all on same day
and 7 sets of twins, at 7am, ont he 7 day of the 7th month,, by seven
doctors samed sevin,,,, all babies had seven fingers on one hand,,,
this garbage doesnt work, if you pay for it, might as well tosss coins in
Trevi fountain make a wish,, just as much a chance of that working as ,
lettin benny hinn wack you on the head to cure paralysis, it is beyond me,
why people fork over millions to those fraudsters.
cupping, is a new fad for rich folks who have to much time and money,,,
whats next birthing pools filled with jello,, not pudding, gelatin ,,,
why??? cause it costs alot of money so they will pay for it,,, if you
charge alot for something stupid rich folks will buy it!!!!
cheers
bobbyD
ps i would not waste one cent on garbage cure bullshit!!!!!! whoever does is
enabling this crap to continue.
>> I am an expert at cupping and have hadseveral years of experience.
>
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> unfounded and unsupported by anything included in your information or
> site.
Cupper - 25 Sep 2007 06:53 GMT
Deaf, dumb and blind . . .
Does not elude to the physical senses. The heart has it's own set of
spiritual senses that see, hear, etc. . .
This should be the goal of every human. Animals are fighting for
another bone and are happy to be trapped in their mind.
Real knowledge only comes from a purified heart. The brain will never
contain the knowledge of the heart.
We are approaching knowledge and understanding from opposite ends. I
do not anticipate you ever understanding. You are locked in your own
ego, really thinking yourself to be your own God. It keeps you traped
in the mind, never experiencing real knowledge and real understanding.
We are not here selling anyhting. If you like take from the knowledge
presented. If not, don't take.
I earned a long time ago that people who respond line by line to a
post rather than collect their thoughts and right a thoughtful
response are people you are just wasting your time with. We are
speaking to people with the capacity of achieving real knowledge and
understanding. Real experts on real knowledge have no need to defend
what they do. I have only responded to you in the past so others may
see and learn.
I do hope for you a better understanding someday.
Peace
d'huit - 25 Sep 2007 07:20 GMT
Deaf, dumb and blind . . .
Does not elude to the physical senses. The heart has it's own set of
spiritual senses that see, hear, etc. . .
This should be the goal of every human. Animals are fighting for
another bone and are happy to be trapped in their mind.
Real knowledge only comes from a purified heart. The brain will never
contain the knowledge of the heart.
We are approaching knowledge and understanding from opposite ends. I
do not anticipate you ever understanding. You are locked in your own
ego, really thinking yourself to be your own God. It keeps you traped
in the mind, never experiencing real knowledge and real understanding.
We are not here selling anyhting. If you like take from the knowledge
presented. If not, don't take.
I earned a long time ago that people who respond line by line to a
post rather than collect their thoughts and right a thoughtful
response are people you are just wasting your time with. We are
speaking to people with the capacity of achieving real knowledge and
understanding. Real experts on real knowledge have no need to defend
what they do. I have only responded to you in the past so others may
see and learn.
I do hope for you a better understanding someday.
Peace
i disagree.
knowledge is that which we quest for and acquire to explain and cope/deal
with those things with which we are uncertain and uncomfortable. knowledge
is ever changeable. hence, there is no such thing as, and can never be,
real experts on real knowledge.
understanding is that which ultimately brings us to being comfortable with
uncertainty.
kate
(yes, well . . . i do tend to be a bit inexplicably philosophical, at times.
but, i'm comfortable with that.<smile>)
Joan Carter - 25 Sep 2007 15:35 GMT
>We are approaching knowledge and understanding from opposite ends. I
>do not anticipate you ever understanding. You are locked in your own
>ego, really thinking yourself to be your own God. It keeps you traped
>in the mind, never experiencing real knowledge and real understanding.
It's time for you to go. Plonk! Bye, bye.
Paul T. Holland - 25 Sep 2007 21:26 GMT
while almost all of this is just regurgitation of his posturing, this
line stands out:
>Real experts on real knowledge have no need to defend
>what they do.
so, bubba, that means that all of the defending that you have been doing
these past days signals that 'you' aren't an expert at all...
> Deaf, dumb and blind . . .
>
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>
> Peace
california_chief - 26 Sep 2007 06:35 GMT
> Real experts on real knowledge have no need to defend
> what they do.
Well, with the amount of defending you've been up to, you must be on the
lowest rung of any experts' ladder - if you've somehow managed to conquer
even that. Have to get out of the crib, be potty trained, and learn how to
walk erect before you can climb ladders.
Be careful you don't fall off.
> I have only responded to you in the past so others may
> see and learn.
What a freakin' LIAR. Your sole intent in to draw in suckers who may fall
for your B.S.
... Cupper's ramblings are almost hypnotic, like a lava lamp.