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california_chief - 10 Sep 2007 06:17 GMT
Remember childhood?

You could hardly see for all the snow,

Spread the rabbit ears as far as they go.

Pull a chair up to the TV set,

"Good Night, David. Good Night, Chet."

My Mom used to cut chicken, chop eggs and spread mayo on the same cutting
board
with the same knife and no bleach, but we didn't seem to get food poisoning.

My Mom used to defrost hamburger on the counter AND I used to eat it raw
sometimes, too. Our school sandwiches were wrapped in wax paper in a brown
paper bag, not in icepack coolers, but I can't remember getting e.coli

Almost all of us would have rather gone swimming in the lake instead of a
pristine pool (talk about boring), no beach closures then.

The term cell phone would have conjured up a phone in a jail cell, and a
pager
was the school PA system.

We all took gym, not PE.. and risked permanent injury with a pair of high
top
Ked's (only worn in gym)
instead of having cross-training athletic shoes with air cushion soles and
built in light reflectors. I can't recall any injuries but they must have
happened because they tell us how much safer we are now..

Flunking gym was not an option... even for stupid kids! I guess PE must be
much
harder than gym.

Speaking of school, we all said prayers and sang the national anthem, and
staying in detention after school caught all sorts of negative attention.

We must have had horribly damaged psyches. What an archaic health system we
had
then. Remember school nurses? Ours wore a hat and everything.

I thought that I was supposed to accomplish something before I was allowed
to
be proud of myself.

I just can't recall how bored we were without computers, Play Station,
Nintendo, X-box or 270 digital TV cable stations.

Oh yeah... and where was the Benadryl and sterilization kit when I got that
bee
sting? I could have been killed!

We played 'king of the hill' on piles of gravel left on vacant construction
sites, and when we got hurt, Mom pulled out the 48-cent bottle of
Mercurochrome
(kids liked it better because it didn't sting like iodine did) and then we
got
our butt spanked.

Now it's a trip to the emergency room, followed by a 10-day dose of a $49
bottle of antibiotics, and then Mom calls the attorney to sue the contractor
for leaving a horribly vicious pile of gravel where it was such a threat.

We didn't act up at the neighbor's house either because if we did, we got
our
butt spanked there and then we got butt spanked again when we got home.

I recall Donny Reynolds from next door coming over and doing his tricks on
the
front stoop, just before he fell off. Little did his Mom know that she could
have owned our house. Instead, she picked him up and swatted him for being
such
a goof. It was a neighborhood run amuck.

To top it off, not a single person I knew had ever been told that they were
from a dysfunctional family. How could we possibly have known that?

We needed to get into group therapy and anger management classes? We were
obviously so duped by so many societal ills, that we didn't even notice that
the entire country wasn't taking Prozac! How did we ever survive?

LOVE TO ALL OF US WHO SHARED THIS ERA, AND TO ALL WHO DIDN'T-
SORRY FOR WHAT YOU MISSED.  I WOULDN'T TRADE IT FOR ANYTHING
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 10 Sep 2007 10:16 GMT
Amen, Chief!  LOL I sliced open my foot in the sawgrass out behind our
house. After the doc sewed it up I was grounded for two weeks after it would
heal since I had been told to stay out of the sawgrass in the first place. I
was grounded because I caused my mom and dad to have to pay out $12.00 for
the doctor's visit and they were steamed. LOL

DeeTee

> Remember childhood?
>
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> LOVE TO ALL OF US WHO SHARED THIS ERA, AND TO ALL WHO DIDN'T-
> SORRY FOR WHAT YOU MISSED.  I WOULDN'T TRADE IT FOR ANYTHING
Harvey R. Stone - 10 Sep 2007 15:39 GMT
> Amen, Chief!  LOL I sliced open my foot in the sawgrass out behind our
> house. After the doc sewed it up I was grounded for two weeks after it
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>
> DeeTee

Oh,, I have one almost like that.....
    In upper east Texas,,, all the roads that were not major roads were oil
top roads.   Crude oil and sand mixed,,,,, right after it rained and if you
were bare footed,,,, a person could slide for about 10 feet if you got
enough speed up.
I was doing just that all by myself about 3 blocks from the house.   I did
not see the barb wire coiled up in the street.   I skidded into it and it
went through my right foot which brought me to a quick stop.   Weeelllll,
hollering and crying did not help and I was pinned to the road and could not
put it out of my foot.   I noticed that when I skidded into the wire,,,, I
pulled up about two feet through the tar top.   I got to thinking about what
would I do if a car came????  It would skid just like I did right into me.
   I started to pull and pull the barbwire up and I had to do it a certain
way because if I jerked my foot around it hurt like helllll.  Well, to
shorten the story the wire was about 14 to 16 feet long and I had 3 blocks
to make it back to my front porch which I did and I do not know where the
time went but it was late afternoon by the time I got home and started
hollering for mother to come look.   She let out a scream with the blood and
all and the wire strung out from my foot.   She called dad to come home and
he did pretty fast.   We got it all in his car with my foot wrapped in a
towel to keep the blood out of the carpet of his 53 Buick Super.    Dad
asked the doc how are we going to get this out because a barb had already
come through the top.
   The doctor just smiled and said that this was not the first time he had
seen this happen.   He took some wire cutters and cropped off the top after
he had pulled the wire until the barb was right on top of my foot.   He said
he needed to know if another barb was inside the foot and it wasn't.   Like
it was someone else's foot, I asked the doctor how he could tell.   He said
I would of screamed like hell if he was dragging one of those barbs over my
foot bones and usually the barbs were two or 3 feet apart and with the barb
on top of my foot we had that distance to play with to another barb.   He
took some wire cutters and clipper the barb from the top and slid the wire
out with some hollering from me and dad holding me down.  He cleaned out the
holes as best he could and a few stitches top and bottom then he gave me a
couple of shots and told dad to bring me back in a few days.   He turned to
me then and said that I really took all this like a man and that I was going
to be OK.  I must of puffed up a little bit because dad told me not to let
the docs compliment go to my head.   I was still a dumb a.s for getting
myself into this deal.   I had to agree with that.

Harv
Peter - 10 Sep 2007 17:21 GMT
> > Amen, Chief!  LOL I sliced open my foot in the sawgrass out behind our
> > house. After the doc sewed it up I was grounded for two weeks after it
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>
> Harv

I remember! Without going into it at length, I do remember when I was
about 7 looking up at a tree and catching a quarter brick on my
eyebrow as it came down

Peter
jofirey - 10 Sep 2007 18:34 GMT
>> Amen, Chief!  LOL I sliced open my foot in the sawgrass out behind our
>> house. After the doc sewed it up I was grounded for two weeks after it
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>
> Harv

You win hands down, Harv.  Best I can come up with is my older brother
teaching me how to roller skate (and showing off of course - he was almost
13).  On Christmas day afternoon.  And skating backwards downhill.  Landed
on his face and broke off his two front teeth.

For long term trauma he tops my oldest grandson who wrecked his car, twice,
on Christmas morning two years ago.  No one hurt much in that at least.

Jo
Donna G. - 11 Sep 2007 02:34 GMT
LOL.....thanks Joe!

I'm afraid my memories growing up are far more in line with what Joe
printed than what you printed Kate!   Course it could differ depending
on the area of the U.S. you grew up in and what era you grew up in as
well.   Oh well, I suppose ever era will have its pluses and minuses as
they look back!!!
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Donna
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1.   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.    J.K.M.A.
Squirrely - 11 Sep 2007 08:13 GMT
Oh Harv, I am right there with you.

I went to a bonfire one time and it was in Nov. My parents had told me to
keep my shoes on. They knew me too well. I even went out in the snow with no
shoes on. I hated shoes. ;-)

So I went to the bon fire and took off my shoes. I ended up catching my foot
on a rebar piece sticking up out of the cement parking spot thingies and
cutting my foot open. So I put my shoe back on and went home. Tried to tell
my parents that I had my shoes on. My dad took my shoe off and said well
then were is the hole from the rebar going thru. He had me there. ;-) so
after the dr left I got spanked for taking off my shoes when I wasn't
suppose to and trying to lie about it to cover up the truth so I wouldn't
get into trouble.

Not quite as bad as yours though, that had to hurt like heck and really have
been painful.

I still have the scar on my foot by my big toe where I did that. Oh yeah by
the time I got home from the school, My shoe was filled with blood. So I did
it good too. ;-)

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> Oh,, I have one almost like that.....
>     In upper east Texas,,, all the roads that were not major roads were
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>
> Harv
Harvey R. Stone - 11 Sep 2007 15:45 GMT
> I still have the scar on my foot by my big toe where I did that. Oh yeah
> by the time I got home from the school, My shoe was filled with blood. So
> I did  it good too. ;-)
> Love and Hugs to all
> Jo the squirrely one

Wow,,, you sure did.   I was before the first grade that I figured out that
no matter what it was about,,,, to tell and lie and get caught was much
worse and not worth the chance.   I would tell the truth right off.   It
stayed that way until the day my father died.  I do not think my older
brother ever did learn that dad could see right through us.
LOLOL, You and my wife just can't keep those shoes on even today.
Harv
Squirrely - 12 Sep 2007 04:30 GMT
Yeah Harv, I learned it was not good to lie. But my dad was a mean man and
he did get carried away when he punished us. So I was trying to avoid that
but it didn't work.

Yeah that is so true. I hate shoes, I can't figure out why we have to wear
them. I go with the saying if the good lord wanted us to wear shoes we would
have come out wearing them. ;-0

I am better about wearing them now though than I was a kid. When I was
young, my feet were so hard, that I could walk over pebbles, glass etc and
not feel it. Now if I walk over anything i feel it right away.

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> Wow,,, you sure did.   I was before the first grade that I figured out
> that no matter what it was about,,,, to tell and lie and get caught was
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> LOLOL, You and my wife just can't keep those shoes on even today.
> Harv
Carole - 12 Sep 2007 05:31 GMT
> Yeah that is so true. I hate shoes, I can't figure out why we have to wear
> them. I go with the saying if the good lord wanted us to wear shoes we would
> have come out wearing them. ;-0

That also goes for all the clothing we wear :-)  Personally, I don't
mind shoes, but who the heck invented the bra???

Carole
jofirey - 12 Sep 2007 06:09 GMT
>> Yeah that is so true. I hate shoes, I can't figure out why we have to
>> wear them. I go with the saying if the good lord wanted us to wear shoes
>> we would have come out wearing them. ;-0
>
> That also goes for all the clothing we wear :-)  Personally, I don't mind
> shoes, but who the heck invented the bra???

A man.
Harvey R. Stone - 12 Sep 2007 14:46 GMT
>>> Yeah that is so true. I hate shoes, I can't figure out why we have to
>>> wear them. I go with the saying if the good lord wanted us to wear shoes
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>
> A man.
LOLOLOL that did not love women.... lOLOLOL Now ,,,, A Man,,,  that was
funny.    Thanks for a morning laugh and I will smile about that all day and
my wife will wonder what I am up to.
Harv
nanny - 15 Sep 2007 06:55 GMT
Of course, Jo, who else?!  ;-)  Nanny

>>> Yeah that is so true. I hate shoes, I can't figure out why we have to
>>> wear them. I go with the saying if the good lord wanted us to wear shoes
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>
> A man.
Squirrely - 12 Sep 2007 07:24 GMT
oh how true Carole, how true. I don't know who did that one, but I really
would like to see them wear it for awhile.

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> That also goes for all the clothing we wear :-)  Personally, I don't mind
> shoes, but who the heck invented the bra???
>
> Carole
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 12 Sep 2007 18:12 GMT
Carole, I hate that particular piece of clothing.  When I'm at home, it is
off!
Gwen

>> Yeah that is so true. I hate shoes, I can't figure out why we have to
>> wear them. I go with the saying if the good lord wanted us to wear shoes
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Carole
jofirey - 12 Sep 2007 18:41 GMT
> Carole, I hate that particular piece of clothing.  When I'm at home, it is
> off!
> Gwen

I'm home so much and wear one so seldom, I really have to remember I do need
one if I'm going to the store.  At least with some clothes.

Jo
Carole - 13 Sep 2007 05:35 GMT
> I'm home so much and wear one so seldom, I really have to remember I do need
> one if I'm going to the store.  At least with some clothes.

When my niece was little, my Mom and I went to visit her and my sister.
My niece said she knew we were coming as there were clues. I asked her
what clues, and she said "Mommy put a bra on." :-)))))

Carole
d'huit - 13 Sep 2007 11:09 GMT
jofirey wrote:
> I'm home so much and wear one so seldom, I really have to remember I do
> need
> one if I'm going to the store.  At least with some clothes.

When my niece was little, my Mom and I went to visit her and my sister.
My niece said she knew we were coming as there were clues. I asked her
what clues, and she said "Mommy put a bra on." :-)))))

Carole

LOL!  what a smart kid!

when my brother was about 4, he found one of my mom's bras.  my mother
discovered that he did, much to her chagrin, when we were already at my
grandmother's house.  he was wearing her bra under the hood of his coat . .
.as earmuffs.  hey, it was wintertime and cold in new york.<smile>

kate
Carole - 13 Sep 2007 19:17 GMT
> LOL!  what a smart kid!
>
> when my brother was about 4, he found one of my mom's bras.  my mother
> discovered that he did, much to her chagrin, when we were already at my
> grandmother's house.  he was wearing her bra under the hood of his coat . .
> .as earmuffs.  hey, it was wintertime and cold in new york.<smile>

Hmmm, I never thought of using my bra that way! I bet it's more comfy!!
LOL!!!!

Speaking of other uses, when my sister was little, she scraped her leg
while outside playing. My Mom had her sanitary napkins under the
bathroom sink and my sister took one of those, wrapped it around her leg
and tied it. :-))  My Mom was mortified when she walked out into the
living room, LOL!!!

Carole
jofirey - 13 Sep 2007 19:24 GMT
>> LOL!  what a smart kid!
>>
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> it. :-))  My Mom was mortified when she walked out into the living room,
> LOL!!!

When I was in high school all the rescue squads carried them to use as
dressings for wounds.  Medical supplies weren't as advances and varied as
they are today.

Jo
d'huit - 13 Sep 2007 20:32 GMT
> d'huit wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> it. :-))  My Mom was mortified when she walked out into the living room,
> LOL!!!

When I was in high school all the rescue squads carried them to use as
dressings for wounds.  Medical supplies weren't as advances and varied as
they are today.

Jo

and actually, the old bulky sanitary napkins were a very good choice and
fairly handy for  good compress bandages.  so, carole's young sister was
insightful to use one.  albeit, it had to be funny to see, considering the
prudishness of the era.<smile>

kate
Carole - 13 Sep 2007 22:24 GMT
> and actually, the old bulky sanitary napkins were a very good choice and
> fairly handy for  good compress bandages.  so, carole's young sister was
> insightful to use one.  albeit, it had to be funny to see, considering the
> prudishness of the era.<smile>

Yea, and add to the prudishness that my Mom was raised in Victorian
England! So you didn't mention things such as that in those days - even
when I got my period for the first time, she whispered everything to me
about it, LOL!!!

Carole
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 13 Sep 2007 22:52 GMT
When I asked my mother about having a period, she asked me where I had heard
that.  I said from my cousin.  She said well go ask her!  As long as she
lived, I never felt comfortable talking to her about anything personal.
Isn't that sad.
Gwen

>> and actually, the old bulky sanitary napkins were a very good choice and
>> fairly handy for  good compress bandages.  so, carole's young sister was
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Carole
jofirey - 14 Sep 2007 02:58 GMT
> When I asked my mother about having a period, she asked me where I had
> heard that.  I said from my cousin.  She said well go ask her!  As long as
> she lived, I never felt comfortable talking to her about anything
> personal. Isn't that sad.
> Gwen

My mother was kind of the same way.  Her mother was a shrew that gave the
boys are only after one thing and girls that date are whores lecture.

My other grandmother (a very upright church lady mind you) talked to me well
before it became an issue.  Bought my everything I might need.  Explained
how to use it.  Told me what they had to use in her day, and how
embarrassing it was to hang the laundry out, etc.

Jo
Carole - 14 Sep 2007 22:41 GMT
> When I asked my mother about having a period, she asked me where I had heard
> that.  I said from my cousin.  She said well go ask her!  As long as she
> lived, I never felt comfortable talking to her about anything personal.
> Isn't that sad.
> Gwen

Thankfully, after my father died, my Mom and I had a great relationship.
She once told me she never knew life could be this fun. We even got to
the point where after I spent a weekend with a male friend I was seeing,
I phoned her to let her know I was home and she asked me if he was good
in bed, LOL!!!  What a change. I raised her well :)))

Carole
california_chief - 14 Sep 2007 00:25 GMT
Carole wrote:

>> Speaking of other uses, when my sister was little, she scraped her leg
>> while outside playing. My Mom had her sanitary napkins under the bathroom
>> sink and my sister took one of those, wrapped it around her leg and tied
>> it. :-))  My Mom was mortified when she walked out into the living room,

And Jo Firey replied:

> When I was in high school all the rescue squads carried them to use as
> dressings for wounds.  Medical supplies weren't as advances and varied as
> they are today.

Police ambulances (60's-70's) carried them for (especially) gunshot victims.
They make excellent pressure pads and could even be stuck into a BIG wound.
We also used them on OB calls after the baby was born.

... Epitaph:  ABRAHAM LINCOLN -- I wonder how the play ended?
Joan Carter - 13 Sep 2007 20:47 GMT
>Speaking of other uses, when my sister was little, she scraped her leg
>while outside playing. My Mom had her sanitary napkins under the
>bathroom sink and my sister took one of those, wrapped it around her leg
>and tied it. :-))  My Mom was mortified when she walked out into the
>living room, LOL!!!

That was an old standby when I taught First Aid. They had handy
tails on them and were clean and an excellent thing to stop
bleeding in a crisis.

Joan
Carole - 13 Sep 2007 22:24 GMT
> That was an old standby when I taught First Aid. They had handy
> tails on them and were clean and an excellent thing to stop
> bleeding in a crisis.

Yea, I guess now you'd have to remove the strip and stick it to itself,
LOL! No more tails :))

Carole
Carole - 13 Sep 2007 05:34 GMT
> Carole, I hate that particular piece of clothing.  When I'm at home, it is
> off!
> Gwen

You and me both, Gwen...it's the first thing I do when I walk in the
door :-)))

Carole
nanny - 15 Sep 2007 06:54 GMT
Yeah, Carole, I HATE that piece of apparel.  I need the support of a bra,
but even with the Playtex 18-hour, I find I'm ready to yank and toss it
within 3 hours ;-)  Nanny

>> Yeah that is so true. I hate shoes, I can't figure out why we have to
>> wear them. I go with the saying if the good lord wanted us to wear shoes
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>
> Carole
nanny - 15 Sep 2007 06:52 GMT
Speaking of snow and shoes (or lack of), you remind me of our son when he
was about 7-8.  It was winter, and when I went out on the porch to call him
from the park in front of our house, I realized the little stinker had been
playing in the snow barefoot!  The result in his case was a case of "walking
> Oh Harv, I am right there with you.
>
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>>
>> Harv
jofirey - 16 Sep 2007 00:40 GMT
> Speaking of snow and shoes (or lack of), you remind me of our son when he
> was about 7-8.  It was winter, and when I went out on the porch to call
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> Nanny
> "Squirrely" <sqjo@sonic.net> wrote in message

Hey Jo, this is the other Jo.  If we get snow, I'm going out barefoot!  How
about you?

Jofirey

(We both live in California's Central Valley.  We've had snow here three
times in thirty years.  Bet her part of the valley has had even less.)
Squirrely - 17 Sep 2007 01:55 GMT
Hey, if it would ever snow here anything is possible. ;-)

Can you see Nanny coming out and getting after us with her switch. ;-)

Hey I am still a kid at heart even if almost everything else has been taken
away from me.

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>
> Hey Jo, this is the other Jo.  If we get snow, I'm going out barefoot!
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> (We both live in California's Central Valley.  We've had snow here three
> times in thirty years.  Bet her part of the valley has had even less.)
Squirrely - 16 Sep 2007 20:19 GMT
No Nanny, I don't still do that, but then we don't have any snow, so that is
probably why.

I don't think I could still do it though, because of the arthritis in my
feet, that cold would set them off like mad. My feet don't like cold now.

But during the summer, you don't catch me in shoes much at all.

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> Speaking of snow and shoes (or lack of), you remind me of our son when he
> was about 7-8.  It was winter, and when I went out on the porch to call
> him from the park in front of our house, I realized the little stinker had
> been playing in the snow barefoot!  The result in his case was a case of
> "walking pneumonia".  You don't still do that, do you Squirrely? ;-)
> Nanny
Carole - 17 Sep 2007 08:12 GMT
> No Nanny, I don't still do that, but then we don't have any snow, so that is
> probably why.
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>
> But during the summer, you don't catch me in shoes much at all.

We have snow up here! Come up for a visit and you can walk barefoot! :-))

Carole
d'huit - 10 Sep 2007 11:17 GMT
it's funny, i get these kinds of "trips down memory lane" in my emails all
the time.  often, i can relate to some of the "remembrances", but much of
the time they don't fit what i experienced and makes me think that these
aren't as universal as "memories" as the person who first decided to
idealize them thinks.  i think it would be kind of interesting, and
educational, if each of us went through this list and wrote a little about
our real and honest childhood experiences.  i'll go first.

Remember childhood?

You could hardly see for all the snow,

***not in san francisco, but i do remember this in connecticut.

Spread the rabbit ears as far as they go.

***only my father was allowed to "adjust" the reception, because we kids
would make things worse.  televisions were expensive and my father was sure
we would break it.

Pull a chair up to the TV set,

***i never sat in a chair or on the couch to watch tv.  usually, i was on
the floor on my stomach watching tv.  often, i also listened to my
transistor radio and did my homework at the same time.

"Good Night, David. Good Night, Chet."

***the news was rarely watched at my house, except for election night or new
year's eve or some major event or disaster.  mostly, our tv was used for
entertainment.

My Mom used to cut chicken, chop eggs and spread mayo on the same cutting
board
with the same knife and no bleach, but we didn't seem to get food poisoning.

***we never did have a cutting board when i was a kid.  my mother used a
dinner plate to cut things on.  my mother was also scrupulous about washing
everything she used and didn't use the same knife or even the same stirring
spoon in different pots or with different ingredients.  if she tasted
something with a spoon, the spoon never was used again without being washed
first.  we weren't even allowed to drink from anything any one of us had
already drunk from.  "germs" was a big thing back then and the polio
epidemics made people nervous, even years later.

My Mom used to defrost hamburger on the counter AND I used to eat it raw
sometimes, too.

***she didn't freeze hamburger.  we got it fresh ground round or ground
sirloin from the corner butchershop.  and i did eat it raw sometimes, but
not without being soundly scolded for it.  any fresh fruits or vegetables,
that might have been handled by other people before being purchased, were
scrubbed, too.

Our school sandwiches were wrapped in wax paper in a brown
paper bag, not in icepack coolers, but I can't remember getting e.coli

***even in grammar school, i ate hot school lunches in the cafeteria.  when
my folks couldn't afford to pay for them, i actually worked in the school
cafeteria kitchen for free school lunches.  usually, i dried the dishes that
came out of the commercial dishwasher, which were like segmented/divided
trays rather than dinner plates.

Almost all of us would have rather gone swimming in the lake instead of a
pristine pool (talk about boring), no beach closures then.

***no.  actually, i preferred swimming in a swimming pool as a kid.  i
didn't like the itchy rash i usually wound up with from swimming in
lakes--made me feel creepy about swimming in lakes.  i did love swimming in
the ocean, though.

The term cell phone would have conjured up a phone in a jail cell, and a
pager
was the school PA system.

***i don't think the term would have conjured anything for me.  but
party-lines were not parties, for sure.  most of the time we were yelled at
by adults, on the other end of the party-line, to get off the phone so they
could use it.  and pager wouldn't have meant anything to me, either.

We all took gym, not PE.. and risked permanent injury with a pair of high
top
Ked's (only worn in gym)
instead of having cross-training athletic shoes with air cushion soles and
built in light reflectors.

***i took PE, not "gym", back in the 1950s-'60s and most of that was
outdoors, except back east in the winter.  "gym" was the room with the
hardwood floors.  our one piece "gym suits" were hideous and often
uncomfortable, when you grew too fast.  our sneakers were white and a
cut-down version of high top basketball shoes.

I can't recall any injuries but they must have
happened because they tell us how much safer we are now..

***i remember injuries in PE, my own and my classmates.  mostly sprains,
strains, bruises, abrasions, falls, broken fingers and an occassional
dislocation.  once in awhile an ambulance was called to the school, because
somebody almost drowned in the school pool or broke a leg or injured a knee
badly.

Flunking gym was not an option... even for stupid kids! I guess PE must be
much
harder than gym.

***friends of mine did indeed flunk PE (gym) back then, especially if they
played the "period" card too often or if they didn't put any effort into the
class.

Speaking of school, we all said prayers and sang the national anthem, and
staying in detention after school caught all sorts of negative attention.

***we very rarely said prayers in school, never in assembly.  except i can
remember in first grade we prayed before our milk and graham crackers break.
did sing the national anthem.  the pledge of allegiance did NOT have "under
god" in it, when we said the pledge each morning.  yeah, you were considered
a "bad kid" when you had to stay after school writing "i will not . . ." a
bazillion times for whatever infraction.  and you had to write a note
telling about what you did to wind up on detention. that note had to be read
and signed by your parent and then, returned to the principal.  i did that
once and neither my mother nor father made any fuss about it.

We must have had horribly damaged psyches.

***no.  it was just a different place in time and some attitudes and
practices are actually better now.

What an archaic health system we
had
then. Remember school nurses? Ours wore a hat and everything.

***yes, we did have school nurses and she did wear a nurse's uniform.  i had
to see her once because my fingertip got ripped open when my teacher sent me
down to close the door to the playground, because she forgot to. i remember
i avoided the nurse after that, cuz she was stern and suspicious and seemed
to have a mean streak.  and we had visiting doctors who gave us
innoculations, booster shots and the oral polio vaccine.  and we had eye
exams in school.

I thought that I was supposed to accomplish something before I was allowed
to
be proud of myself.

***i was always told that being proud of yourself meant you were conceited--  
and not just by my parents, either.  from the time he was little, we raised
our son to be proud of himself, for just being who he is--it seemed like all
his accomplishments followed that.  it was like he believed in himself and
felt worthy of accomplishment.

I just can't recall how bored we were without computers, Play Station,
Nintendo, X-box or 270 digital TV cable stations.

***i can recall being bored, at times, especially if i couldn't go outside
to play.  we had hula hoops, pogo sticks, yoyos, bicycles, roller skates,
dolls, tea sets, stuffed animals, baseball cards we played flip with, board
games, etc.  lots of other things.  very few books, though.

Oh yeah... and where was the Benadryl and sterilization kit when I got that
bee
sting? I could have been killed!

***my first bee sting occurred after i was married.  my orthopod, during my
appmt. the next day, actually gave me a shot for it, because my leg swelled
gigantically and i had a bit of a rash.  he was the one who asked whether i
had been bitten by an insect or stung.  i didn't even think about it,
because i always swelled up with mosquito bites, too.

We played 'king of the hill' on piles of gravel left on vacant construction
sites, and when we got hurt, Mom pulled out the 48-cent bottle of
Mercurochrome
(kids liked it better because it didn't sting like iodine did) and then we
got
our butt spanked.

***we played a lot of "truth or dare" and did some pretty crazy and
dangerous stuff for dares-- like jumping off of garage roofs and landing on
our feet on concrete, or jumped from rooftop to rooftop, in the city.  we
got down on our stomachs and sorta surfed down stairs.  we got our butts
spanked for getting hurt, too.  i remember both iodine and mercurochrome.  i
once had my shoulder cut, age 6 or 7, on a broken jelly jar on concrete;
bled all over the place and soaked bath towels with my blood; got spanked
even though my brother pushed me into it.  and later, because of those
wounds, the doctor was called to our house, because i spiked a fever and the
wound got infected.  and my first grade teacher saw the doctor's dressing on
my shoulder and said, "what happened to you?  nevermind.  you probably
deserved it."  she also let the little boy who sat behind me pee in his
pants and all over the floor, because she wouldn't respond to his raised
hand.  i still think she was mean and shouldn't have been a teacher.

Now it's a trip to the emergency room, followed by a 10-day dose of a $49
bottle of antibiotics, and then Mom calls the attorney to sue the contractor
for leaving a horribly vicious pile of gravel where it was such a threat.

***though this does happen, i think this is an over-generalization.

We didn't act up at the neighbor's house either because if we did, we got
our
butt spanked there and then we got butt spanked again when we got home.

***we weren't allowed to go over or inside the neighbor's house, without a
parent.  we were told there were too many "bad people" and you couldn't tell
who they were, without a parent.

I recall Donny Reynolds from next door coming over and doing his tricks on
the
front stoop, just before he fell off. Little did his Mom know that she could
have owned our house. Instead, she picked him up and swatted him for being
such
a goof. It was a neighborhood run amuck.

***most of our neighbors didn't have any assets to sue for, anyhow; most of
us were renters.  and i still think most parents swatted kids back then,
because it was easier than having to think or discuss anything with kids.

To top it off, not a single person I knew had ever been told that they were
from a dysfunctional family. How could we possibly have known that?

***no.  that term wasn't used in those days.  but other terms like, "bad
blood", "bad people", "disgusting", "busybodies", "deadbeats",
"troublemakers", "slobs", etc. were commonly used to refer to families.

We needed to get into group therapy and anger management classes? We were
obviously so duped by so many societal ills, that we didn't even notice that
the entire country wasn't taking Prozac! How did we ever survive?

***no.  but valium use was rampant among the mothers in the '50s-60s.  and
"nervous breakdowns" was commonly heard about mothers.

LOVE TO ALL OF US WHO SHARED THIS ERA, AND TO ALL WHO DIDN'T-
SORRY FOR WHAT YOU MISSED.  I WOULDN'T TRADE IT FOR ANYTHING

***i think i would've definitely traded some of it.

kate
Harvey R. Stone - 10 Sep 2007 15:08 GMT
Nor would I Chief.... nor would I
Harv
> Remember childhood?
>
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> LOVE TO ALL OF US WHO SHARED THIS ERA, AND TO ALL WHO DIDN'T-
> SORRY FOR WHAT YOU MISSED.  I WOULDN'T TRADE IT FOR ANYTHING
 
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