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Nann Bell - 22 Aug 2007 20:04 GMT
Yesterday afternoon I was awakened from my nap by a call from the surgeon I
saw earlier this summer.  He'd just been talking to my RD and they really
wanted the biopsy of my lymph nodes around the small bowel to go ahead.  
Naturally, we have plans that make this difficult and I needed to wake up and
think more.  

Talked to my RD's nurse this morning and it turns out the hematologist my RD
is referring me to is the driving force behind getting the biopsy done.  She
really thinks it needs to happen from looking at the results up to now and
she wants it done before I see her.  sigh..........  Oh and the surgeon
mentioned that some of the lymph nodes are quite enlarged, making things more
worrisome.

I guess I gotta do it.  Right now I'm waiting for call backs and for people
to be back in the office to see what scheduling we can work out.  They're
still framing things as ruling out nasty stuff, but I don't like the fact
that the hematologist really thinks we need that biopsy.  OTOH, my body just
isn't tell me there's anything dramatically nasty or untreatable going on.  I
hope it gives us some answers though.  I don't want to do this and STILL not
know what's going on!

The irony is that my fatigue has improved a lot since being off Enbrel - I
can even do some stuff during the day and still think enough to read in the
evening!  So even with my joints flaring more, I'm getting more done because
that profound fatigue I had has eased up.  weird stuff happens in our bodies!

On the really positive side, I finally figured out what previously unnoticed
button I'd clicked on to make ASA display oddly.  It's so much easier to read
now!  I should be able to keep up for a while.

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ANN M - 23 Aug 2007 00:33 GMT
Nann, I can just imagine how bummed you are.  This is not exactly what
you want to hear when you are busy and actually feeling a bit better.  I
don't see how you can not have it done though. Your docs seem to really
be working together to solve whatever is going on.  Is this a needle
biopsy (long needle?) or do they have to make a hole to go in?  Maybe
those tiny holes like for a gall bladder removal, I hope?  Anyway, I
hope it's not something that will have you recovering for more than a
day or two.

Ann
Nann Bell - 24 Aug 2007 02:19 GMT
> Nann, I can just imagine how bummed you are.  This is not exactly what
> you want to hear when you are busy and actually feeling a bit better.  I
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>
> Ann

This is through an incision - it's a biopsy of the lymph nodes in the fat
that surrounds the small intestine.  It's generally not do-able
laprascopically because they have to dig aorund to find the nodes.  So it
will be a mini-laparotomy, through about a 4" incision.  Doc says two days in
the hospital and about a week before I can drive.  Hopefully I'll be able to
walk around on Mackinac Island when we go 10 days post-op!

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johnie - 23 Aug 2007 04:16 GMT
> Yesterday afternoon I was awakened from my nap by a call from the surgeon I
> saw earlier this summer.  He'd just been talking to my RD and they really
> wanted the biopsy of my lymph nodes around the small bowel to go ahead.
>big snip<

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this is crappy news but it will be better to eliminate any of those
possibilities. It sounds like you are fortunate to have a group of
docs that actually talk to each other watching your back.That is
pretty rare these days.

Keep us posted as to when / and what...okay.

johnie
Kelly - 23 Aug 2007 06:47 GMT
I agree with Johnie - how unusual for doctors to actually talk to each
other.  Not going to happen in real life here - well except for dictated
letters.  My mom is bugging me to get into an integrated health centre but
they tend to be extra pay which is expensive and in Vancouver - a ways away.
Besides my doctors who I do trust and like wouldn't be part of the dialogue.
Seems strange.

Nann - I am hoping this is the answer and that the questions will be
answered and put to bed so to speak.  Been dragging on too long.  Glad to
hear you are getting some lack of fatique from the lack of enbrel though.
Any lack of fatique is good.  Must be doing something to your body.

gentle hugs,
Kelly

>> Yesterday afternoon I was awakened from my nap by a call from the surgeon
>> I
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>
> johnie
Harvey R. Stone - 23 Aug 2007 12:19 GMT
>I agree with Johnie - how unusual for doctors to actually talk to each
>other.  Not going to happen in real life here - well except for dictated
>letters.  My mom is bugging me to get into an integrated health centre but
>they tend to be extra pay which is expensive and in Vancouver - a ways
>away. Besides my doctors who I do trust and like wouldn't be part of the
>dialogue.  Seems strange.

Please take the trouble to do this,,,, you are worth it   and    so are
they.
Harv

> Nann - I am hoping this is the answer and that the questions will be
> answered and put to bed so to speak.  Been dragging on too long.  Glad to
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>>
>> johnie
Nann Bell - 24 Aug 2007 02:19 GMT
> I agree with Johnie - how unusual for doctors to actually talk to each
> other.  Not going to happen in real life here - well except for dictated
> letters.  My mom is bugging me to get into an integrated health centre but
> they tend to be extra pay which is expensive and in Vancouver - a ways away.
> Besides my doctors who I do trust and like wouldn't be part of the dialogue.
> Seems strange.

yeah, I just lucked into this because it's a small enough medical community
for people to know each other.  Heck, the hematologist will be the 5th
specialist I've seen with offices in the same building!  Of my docs across
state, only my hand surgeon is in a different building.  But, that is 85
miles away.  Mike and I haven't discussed yet whether he will stay over the
full two days or come back here for a day.

> Nann - I am hoping this is the answer and that the questions will be
> answered and put to bed so to speak.  Been dragging on too long.  Glad to
> hear you are getting some lack of fatique from the lack of enbrel though.
> Any lack of fatique is good.  Must be doing something to your body.

only in this group do statements like "some lack of fatigue" make sense!  I
appreciate it though - I've gotten several things down before the recent
conspiracy to bum me out.  (It isn't just the surgery - weather turned warm
and very humid AND our pollen counts were very high, kicking up my allergies.
It finally rained some this evening though and is supposed to rain more
overnight.  Allergies at least should improve.)

I just don't want it to be another thing that gives no definitive answer!  (I
know I keep saying that, but I really, really mean it!)
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Nann Bell - 24 Aug 2007 02:19 GMT
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> johnie

My docs are good about communicating.  One reason I decided to go with a
surgeon across the state is I can stay with this whole group of docs who know
each other over there.  Petoskey is still a fairly small town, but it is a
big resort and retirement area so there are many good docs and lots of
specialties.  But the medical comunity is small enough that they know one
another.

Of course, it also helps that I'm so charming they all want to take good care
of me!   ;-)

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johnie - 25 Aug 2007 16:03 GMT
> Of course, it also helps that I'm so charming they all want to take good care
> of me!   ;-)

I think you may be on to something. I have no doubt they have been
charmed.>g<

johnie
Nann Bell - 27 Aug 2007 13:20 GMT
>> Of course, it also helps that I'm so charming they all want to take good
>> care
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>
> johnie

It never hurts to really get the docs on your side!  heehee

I have discovered the docs up here REALLY seem to appreciate patients they
can talk straight to.  It seems my reputation has been preceeding me through
these referals as each succeeding doctor has been straight talking from the
beginning.  The socio-economic reality up here is such that there's a very
limited pool of folks who really know what's going on.  Of course, those of
us who are here are accustomed to being treated as partners by the good docs.

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Squirrely - 23 Aug 2007 07:32 GMT
I hope you get  good answers and a quick fix out of all this Nann. You are
in my prayers.

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nap by a call from the surgeon I

> saw earlier this summer.  He'd just been talking to my RD and they really
> wanted the biopsy of my lymph nodes around the small bowel to go ahead.
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> read
> now!  I should be able to keep up for a while.
sweetpickleNO@SPAMknology.net - 23 Aug 2007 10:44 GMT
Nann, to me knowing is always better than wondering.  And I don't know of
any convenient time to take care of something like this.  Hope you can get
it all handled soon and get all the questions answered.  Will be praying for
all to go well.  Keep us posted.
Gwen

>I hope you get  good answers and a quick fix out of all this Nann. You are
>in my prayers.
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>> read
>> now!  I should be able to keep up for a while.
Nann Bell - 24 Aug 2007 02:19 GMT
> Nann, to me knowing is always better than wondering.  And I don't know of
> any convenient time to take care of something like this.  Hope you can get
> it all handled soon and get all the questions answered.  Will be praying for
> all to go well.  Keep us posted.
> Gwen

The bad part is I fear we still won't know!  If I knew this would give us the
answers, I wonuldn't mind.  But pages and pages of lab tests and radiologic
studies and a small bowel biopsy show nothing but inflammation.  And the
surgeon says most biopsies such as mine show only non-specific inflammation
and/or hyperplasia.  And the bloodwork for lymphoma was already negative.  Oh
well, September will be another interesting month.

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jielwnoj@aol.com - 23 Aug 2007 18:15 GMT
Nann, I'm sorry to hear this. I know it's a bit of a trapped sort of
feeling when you know you have to undergo something you don't want to--
especially when you're feeling better. But what a relief it will be to
know those nodes are nothing and no longer hanging over your head. so
to speak.

hugs,

diane
d'huit - 23 Aug 2007 19:35 GMT
(((((((((((((((nann))))))))))))))) being bummed is not fun.  i know, getting
this done and checked out must feel like an inconvenient bother and a bit
scary.  but gee, nann, this sounds like it is an opportunity to rule out
stuff that's cluttering your doctors' minds, so they can finally figure out
what to do for you to help you.  and that's what i'm hoping is all it is,
clutter that needs to be cleared first.  sounds like you've got some good
doctors working together for your sake.  i trust your awareness of your
body, nann.  so, take deep breaths and go with the flow, sweetie.  you've
got the asa prayer machine pulling for you, and of course, that includes me.

i'm glad your fatigue factor is doing better.  just don't overdo,
ok?--advice from a kettle.<smile>  if being off enbrel is helping that much,
with that aspect of all this, who knows?  maybe, enbrel is at the root cause
of all or most of your unusual symptoms and stopping it might reverse the
current trend?  maybe a dmard change would be in order?  but, what do i
know?--not much.   that's why you have those good doctors working on this
stuff for you.

more (((((((((((((nann))))))))))))).

kate
(ok, i'll bite. what mysterious button?)

Yesterday afternoon I was awakened from my nap by a call from the surgeon I
saw earlier this summer.  He'd just been talking to my RD and they really
wanted the biopsy of my lymph nodes around the small bowel to go ahead.
Naturally, we have plans that make this difficult and I needed to wake up
and
think more.

Talked to my RD's nurse this morning and it turns out the hematologist my RD
is referring me to is the driving force behind getting the biopsy done.  She
really thinks it needs to happen from looking at the results up to now and
she wants it done before I see her.  sigh..........  Oh and the surgeon
mentioned that some of the lymph nodes are quite enlarged, making things
more
worrisome.

I guess I gotta do it.  Right now I'm waiting for call backs and for people
to be back in the office to see what scheduling we can work out.  They're
still framing things as ruling out nasty stuff, but I don't like the fact
that the hematologist really thinks we need that biopsy.  OTOH, my body just
isn't tell me there's anything dramatically nasty or untreatable going on.
I
hope it gives us some answers though.  I don't want to do this and STILL not
know what's going on!

The irony is that my fatigue has improved a lot since being off Enbrel - I
can even do some stuff during the day and still think enough to read in the
evening!  So even with my joints flaring more, I'm getting more done because
that profound fatigue I had has eased up.  weird stuff happens in our
bodies!

On the really positive side, I finally figured out what previously unnoticed
button I'd clicked on to make ASA display oddly.  It's so much easier to
read
now!  I should be able to keep up for a while.

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Nann Bell - 24 Aug 2007 02:19 GMT
> ok?--advice from a kettle.<smile>  if being off enbrel is helping that much,
> with that aspect of all this, who knows?  maybe, enbrel is at the root cause
> of all or most of your unusual symptoms and stopping it might reverse the
> current trend?  maybe a dmard change would be in order?

That's what my RD and I were wondering.  I'd talked him into seeing how
things went off Enbrel and when we saw clear improvement, he decided to
continue that way for another 6 weeks.  But he also wanted me to see the
hematologist for thrombocytopenia (but I thought my platelets were high!  My
immunoglobulins were low though....)  The hematologist reviewed all the stuff
my RD sent over and decided the biopsy needed doing & before I see her.

It's weird to find myself reluctant to do this - I've had surgery several
times without any complications.  I have no worries about the procedure or
even about the test results.  Heck, I even like the surgeon!  I think it's
just this big fear that we are still tilting at windmills, that I'll go
through this and we'll still know nothing more and the confusion will
continue.  I'm soooooooooo much more accustomed to knowing what's wrong and
being able to do something, even if it's just relaxing, to get better.  Or
for that matter, surgery should be because *I* feel bad, not because they
can't figure out my strange test results!  Oh well, I won't take you all
through the full rant - Mike already had to hear it when I was working things
out inmy own mind.

> (ok, i'll bite. what mysterious button?)

heehee, it's in Hogwasher, which is a Mac only newsreader - finally found the
button that lists each post separately rather than grouping them together by
thread.  Made a mess of things.  I had no idea that was there, as I liked
things the way they were!  Must have hit it by accident when I had to reset
all my subscriptions after returning from Florida.

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d'huit - 25 Aug 2007 22:05 GMT
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:35:59 -0400, d'huit wrote
(in message <98GdnQbbBeYNTlDbnZ2dnUVZ_hudnZ2d@comcast.com>):

> ok?--advice from a kettle.<smile>  if being off enbrel is helping that
> much,
> with that aspect of all this, who knows?  maybe, enbrel is at the root
> cause
> of all or most of your unusual symptoms and stopping it might reverse the
> current trend?  maybe a dmard change would be in order?

That's what my RD and I were wondering.  I'd talked him into seeing how
things went off Enbrel and when we saw clear improvement, he decided to
continue that way for another 6 weeks.  But he also wanted me to see the
hematologist for thrombocytopenia (but I thought my platelets were high!  My
immunoglobulins were low though....)  The hematologist reviewed all the
stuff
my RD sent over and decided the biopsy needed doing & before I see her.

It's weird to find myself reluctant to do this - I've had surgery several
times without any complications.  I have no worries about the procedure or
even about the test results.  Heck, I even like the surgeon!  I think it's
just this big fear that we are still tilting at windmills, that I'll go
through this and we'll still know nothing more and the confusion will
continue.

****no.  it is not weird at all.  it is invasive and invasive procedures are
something everybody should be at least a teensy bit reluctant about.  but if
you do this, nann, you and your doctors WILL know more, sweetie.  you'll
know, at the very least, what it is not.  that's a step in the right
direction.

I'm soooooooooo much more accustomed to knowing what's wrong and
being able to do something, even if it's just relaxing, to get better.  Or
for that matter, surgery should be because *I* feel bad, not because they
can't figure out my strange test results!

****sweetie, as much as i wish it were here already, star trek medicine,
with its non-invasive tricorders, hasn't arrived yet.  your doctors are
simply making use of whatever present day diagnostic tools they have
available to them to help you.  it's no more and no less than that.

Oh well, I won't take you all
through the full rant - Mike already had to hear it when I was working
things
out inmy own mind.

***you go ahead and rant and rave all you want and need to, sweetie.  get it
out of your system, as much and as often as you need to.  you know that's
what we are here for.  (((((((((((((((((((((nann))))))))))))))))))

> (ok, i'll bite. what mysterious button?)

heehee, it's in Hogwasher, which is a Mac only newsreader - finally found
the
button that lists each post separately rather than grouping them together by
thread.  Made a mess of things.  I had no idea that was there, as I liked
things the way they were!  Must have hit it by accident when I had to reset
all my subscriptions after returning from Florida.

***aha!  so that's what that was about!  interesting.  thanks for clue-ing
me in.

kate

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Nann Bell - 27 Aug 2007 13:20 GMT
> ****no.  it is not weird at all.  it is invasive and invasive procedures are
> something everybody should be at least a teensy bit reluctant about.  but if
> you do this, nann, you and your doctors WILL know more, sweetie.  you'll
> know, at the very least, what it is not.  that's a step in the right
> direction.
to me it is weird because I've never been this reluctant before.  If I really
felt hesitant about having the surgery at all, I'd worry because I wasn't
more than a bit worried when I had much more major surgery.  But this is just
a matter of not wanting to go through it, rather than worries about it.  Hey,
I was excited to get my thumb worked on and relieved for my other surgeries.  
This one is more something I just gotta go through.

BTW, you holistic folks - what helps with the fastest healing of an incision
after surgery?  We're going to Mackinac Island 10 days post-op and I want to
be able to walk around the state park part of the island without too much
incisional pain.  gotta get it helaing up quickly.

> ****sweetie, as much as i wish it were here already, star trek medicine,
> with its non-invasive tricorders, hasn't arrived yet.  your doctors are
> simply making use of whatever present day diagnostic tools they have
> available to them to help you.  it's no more and no less than that.

well, I know it isn't here yet, but I want to hold on to my fantasies about
how lovely it will be when they can pop us in the hospital for a week, give
us an infusion that will reset the immune system and we'll walk out with no
auto-immune illness and even no allergies!  I like my fantasy life!  LOL

> ***you go ahead and rant and rave all you want and need to, sweetie.  get it
> out of your system, as much and as often as you need to.  you know that's
> what we are here for.  (((((((((((((((((((((nann))))))))))))))))))

well, Mike's been making it hard to rant to the group much lately.  He's been
taking over this computer to play Scrabble online a lot!  Perhaps I should
remind him that he CAN do this on the other computer as well!

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Harvey R. Stone - 27 Aug 2007 14:28 GMT
Hi Nann,,,,  All this travel and trouble to keep this schedule on pace,,,, I
am shooting for an Angel for the whole thing until you are safely home.

   I can not claim to be what ever a Holistic person is but I have seen
this work more than once.    With an extra clean hand,,,, you take a large
vit E gel and nip it with a pair of clean scissors  and rub the contents up
and down the scar.   The hard part is the rubbing in.  Too hard and you hurt
the scar and person,,,, not hard enough and the E does not do as good a job
but it does work.   When my father had a heart operation, I saw a 2 foot
scar turn into a white line.

Harv

>> ****no.  it is not weird at all.  it is invasive and invasive procedures
>> are
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> taking over this computer to play Scrabble online a lot!  Perhaps I should
> remind him that he CAN do this on the other computer as well!
jofirey - 27 Aug 2007 19:21 GMT
>> ****no.  it is not weird at all.  it is invasive and invasive procedures
>> are
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> be able to walk around the state park part of the island without too much
> incisional pain.  gotta get it helaing up quickly.

How much of an incision are they talking about?  If its just the two slits
for a laprascope, it won't take long at all.

Call and find out if you don't know for sure.  Sometimes what we dread isn't
even what's planned.

There is some gas that is hard to get rid of after laproscopic surgery.
They sometimes inflate a bit to get working room.

Jo
Nann Bell - 31 Aug 2007 04:02 GMT
> How much of an incision are they talking about?  If its just the two slits
> for a laprascope, it won't take long at all.

The whole deal is they can't do this one with the laprascope.  It'll be a 4"
or so incision because they need better access to dig out a lymph node in the
abdominal mesentery (fat around the small intestine, but I like to show off
my new big words!).  But he does expect to let me drive again after only a
week or so.   This special biennial conference is the only time we can afford
to stay on Mackinac Island - and even then it's costly! - so we want to be
able to milk the beautiful natural part again with as much (easy) hiking as
my body will allow us.  It is so lovely on an island with NO motor vehicles!

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DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 31 Aug 2007 04:14 GMT
{{{{{{{Nann}}}}}}}

DeeTee

>> How much of an incision are they talking about?  If its just the two
>> slits
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> my body will allow us.  It is so lovely on an island with NO motor
> vehicles!
Donna G. - 31 Aug 2007 04:50 GMT
Nann,

Even if Mike isn't up to calling me to let me know how you did with the
surgery, perhaps he can find a computer and email me a quick note to let
me know.  I really do care and would like to know, otherwise I'll be
here praying and worrying about you!!!
.
.
.

Donna
.
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.
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1.   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.    J.K.M.A.
d'huit - 27 Aug 2007 21:35 GMT
tummy butter.  palmer's makes a good one that worked well on my wrist
incisions and that you can find at wally world.  melinda once sent me a
belly butter that was wonderful for my carpal tunnel incision, but i can't
find it here locally.

kate

On Sat, 25 Aug 2007 17:05:21 -0400, d'huit wrote
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> ****no.  it is not weird at all.  it is invasive and invasive procedures
> are
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> know, at the very least, what it is not.  that's a step in the right
> direction.
to me it is weird because I've never been this reluctant before.  If I
really
felt hesitant about having the surgery at all, I'd worry because I wasn't
more than a bit worried when I had much more major surgery.  But this is
just
a matter of not wanting to go through it, rather than worries about it.
Hey,
I was excited to get my thumb worked on and relieved for my other surgeries.
This one is more something I just gotta go through.

BTW, you holistic folks - what helps with the fastest healing of an incision
after surgery?  We're going to Mackinac Island 10 days post-op and I want to
be able to walk around the state park part of the island without too much
incisional pain.  gotta get it helaing up quickly.

> ****sweetie, as much as i wish it were here already, star trek medicine,
> with its non-invasive tricorders, hasn't arrived yet.  your doctors are
> simply making use of whatever present day diagnostic tools they have
> available to them to help you.  it's no more and no less than that.

well, I know it isn't here yet, but I want to hold on to my fantasies about
how lovely it will be when they can pop us in the hospital for a week, give
us an infusion that will reset the immune system and we'll walk out with no
auto-immune illness and even no allergies!  I like my fantasy life!  LOL

> ***you go ahead and rant and rave all you want and need to, sweetie.  get
> it
> out of your system, as much and as often as you need to.  you know that's
> what we are here for.  (((((((((((((((((((((nann))))))))))))))))))

well, Mike's been making it hard to rant to the group much lately.  He's
been
taking over this computer to play Scrabble online a lot!  Perhaps I should
remind him that he CAN do this on the other computer as well!

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Donna G. - 30 Aug 2007 05:05 GMT
Nann,

Sorry to hear you are having to go through all of this, but hopefully it
will bring some answers and some relief a long the way.

Will definitely be keeping you in my prayers for now and especially on
the 20th when you have your surgery.   Give Mike my phone number or
email addy so he can let me know how you made out and I can pass it
along to the others.   Will you have to stay over night or will this be
done on an outpatient basis?  

Hang in there my friend!!!
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Donna
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1.   ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we
call them FRIENDS......

2.    J.K.M.A.
Nann Bell - 31 Aug 2007 04:02 GMT
> Nann,
>
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> along to the others.   Will you have to stay over night or will this be
> done on an outpatient basis?  

The surgeon says it'll be a couple of days in the hospital.  That kinda
surprised me - I thought it'd just be overnight, but maybe it's because
they're working around the small bowel and want to make sure everything's ok
there before I go.  I'll find out more when i see him on the 14th.

I'll try to get one of us to call, but can't promise.  Mike's planning to
stay at the hospitality house in Petoskey while I'm an inpatient.  But he is
thinking of going to his clergy get-together the day of surgery, if my
procedure is conveniently scheduled.  I told him he's getting to accustomed
to me having surgery!  Of course, neither one of us is worried about the
procedure itself and it really is minor, though I'll be under general with a
bit larger-than-wished-for incision.  Still, I really hadn't planned on my
spouse being this complacent about me and surgery!

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Adelle - 31 Aug 2007 20:19 GMT
>> Nann,
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> bit larger-than-wished-for incision.  Still, I really hadn't planned on my
> spouse being this complacent about me and surgery!

Sounds a bit like what they had to do with me a few years ago when I had the
ovarian cyst thing. My surgeon wound up going all through the abdomen to
remove endometriosis growths. If your surgeon is as thorough as mine, you'll
feel pretty tender for a bit. But she did tighten the tummy muscles for me
in the process of things - so I got a mini tummy tuck, without the lipo
part.

I also got the ok to drive after a week or so, but found I really couldn't
move my leg from gas to brake fast enough for emergency situations. So you
may wind up being a passenger the whole time. You might also wind up wanting
to hold the seat belt away from your belly while in the car.

As for walking around the state park - its not the insicional pain that's
the biggie. Its that your body is spending a lot of its energy healing from
the trauma of surgery and removal of stuff from inside. There is also some
muscle bruising internally because they are reaching around things and
shoving muscles and organs out of the way to get to what they need to. You
may find you'll tire sooner than you really want to. Perhaps there is a way
to do the state park in smaller sections, with more driving from section to
section?

I know you want this to be a fun vacation. But you should listen to your
body and not over do, so you won't start getting complications or flare ups
of additional stuff.

Adelle
Nann Bell - 31 Aug 2007 04:02 GMT
> tummy butter.  palmer's makes a good one that worked well on my wrist
> incisions and that you can find at wally world.  melinda once sent me a
> belly butter that was wonderful for my carpal tunnel incision, but i can't
> find it here locally.
>
> kate

aha - I may have seen it at our store.  Might even have a chance to pick up
some belly butter next week when we go to visit some of Mike's kin in
Illinois.  I'll get to looking.

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Diane - 31 Aug 2007 15:05 GMT
nann, i wish you didn't have to wait so long for the surgery. the
waiting can be hard. you're in my thoughts.

diane
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 24 Aug 2007 10:49 GMT
{{{{{Nann}}}}}

DeeTee

> Yesterday afternoon I was awakened from my nap by a call from the surgeon
> I
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> read
> now!  I should be able to keep up for a while.
Nann Bell - 27 Aug 2007 13:20 GMT
well, I'm becoming reconciled to this after a lot of talking and frequent
hugs from Mike.  Surgery is set for 9/20.  The week before is VERY busy, so
I'll actually enjoy the rest!  (Of course, one thing that makes it busy is
having to drive over to see the surgeon.)  Even Mike's ex, a pathologist who
generally sees surgoens as too eager to cut, thinks there might be valid
reasons for doing this.

I burned up the minutes on our long distance phone card last week by the time
I got the surgery set up, rescheduled the hematologist appt. for one week
post-op then rescheduled my RD appt from the day before to the same day as
the hematologist.  This does get complicated at times!

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d'huit - 01 Sep 2007 17:14 GMT
(((((((((((((((((((((((nann))))))))))))))))))))))  it does seem complicated.

i've written the date down.  you'll be in my thoughts and prayers.

in the meantime, sweetie, spend at least a little time doing something
gentle nann loves--savor a bowl of ice cream, watch a favorite movie and
snuggle, bubble bath or whatever you enjoy--despite the very busy week
before.

kate

well, I'm becoming reconciled to this after a lot of talking and frequent
hugs from Mike.  Surgery is set for 9/20.  The week before is VERY busy, so
I'll actually enjoy the rest!  (Of course, one thing that makes it busy is
having to drive over to see the surgeon.)  Even Mike's ex, a pathologist who
generally sees surgoens as too eager to cut, thinks there might be valid
reasons for doing this.

I burned up the minutes on our long distance phone card last week by the
time
I got the surgery set up, rescheduled the hematologist appt. for one week
post-op then rescheduled my RD appt from the day before to the same day as
the hematologist.  This does get complicated at times!

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