Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / August 2007
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Jan O - 07 Aug 2007 20:39 GMT I don't want to hear from "sellers" but a couple of friends are pushing me to try these very expensive juices (did drink 6 bottles of Xango/Mangosteen @ $35/per). I know my friends mean well and my RA has just flared something awful since the staph infection, replacement of the TKR, and mostly having to quit Remicade--the only thing that ever helped. Help. Jano
Joan Carter - 07 Aug 2007 20:48 GMT >I don't want to hear from "sellers" but a couple of friends are pushing me >to try these very expensive juices (did drink 6 bottles of Xango/Mangosteen >@ $35/per). I know my friends mean well and my RA has just flared something >awful since the staph infection, replacement of the TKR, and mostly having >to quit Remicade--the only thing that ever helped. Help. Jano Save your money, you could go broke buying all these "cures". $35.00 a bottle???? Friends that try to sell you that stuff do NOT mean well, they are trying to make money.
Joan
Harvey R. Stone - 08 Aug 2007 01:20 GMT >>I don't want to hear from "sellers" but a couple of friends are pushing me >>to try these very expensive juices (did drink 6 bottles of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Joan Hi Joan,,,, Was it your RD that took you off Remicade? If you have RA, what DMARD took Remicades place? Save your money on the juice.
Harv
california_chief - 08 Aug 2007 02:30 GMT > I know my friends mean well NO THEY DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!
They're hooked on a pyramid scam ala Avon/Tupperware/Amway.
They're only interest is in making $$$$ while emptying your wallet.
... I tried to question reality but couldn't get a subpoena.
d'huit - 08 Aug 2007 18:47 GMT hi jan,
most of these xango sellers are pretty much brainwashed, by anecdotal "evidence" (and very little, if any, hard science) and rah rah seminars that extoll its virtues, into believing this kind of stuff works miracles. so, your friends might indeed "mean well", having been brainwashed into believing in its benefits. . . but . . . if one has a serious medical condition that needs serious medical attention, these kinds of products can delude people into delaying treatment, causing a bad situation to become much worse.
the human mind in an incredibly powerful thing. so, just about anything can create a placebo effect. but hope, all by itself without genuine belief, can lead to disappointment--no placebo effect.
i'd suggest you save your money and spend it on treatments that are backed up with hard science.
kate
I don't want to hear from "sellers" but a couple of friends are pushing me to try these very expensive juices (did drink 6 bottles of Xango/Mangosteen @ $35/per). I know my friends mean well and my RA has just flared something awful since the staph infection, replacement of the TKR, and mostly having to quit Remicade--the only thing that ever helped. Help. Jano
jt_garces@yahoo.com - 21 Aug 2007 21:31 GMT > I don't want to hear from "sellers" but a couple of friends are pushing me > to try these very expensive juices (did drink 6 bottles of Xango/Mangosteen > @ $35/per). I know my friends mean well and my RA has just flared something > awful since the staph infection, replacement of the TKR, and mostly having > to quit Remicade--the only thing that ever helped. Help. Jano In reponse to this other post: They're only interest is in making $$$$ while emptying your wallet.
- My answer: So are PHARMACEUTICAL companies. Do you think that they are putting out medications that have up to 120 side effects so you can IMPROVE your health?? And what do those medications cost you if god forbid you don't have insurance? I have USED MonaVie, and speaking for MYSELF, it works. I have had arthritis for 12 years, and this is the only product (including steroid injections) that has relieved the pain and inflammation. I am finally able to work out, go up and down stairs without crying, and I don't wake up all night because of the pain in my joints. For $2.66 per DAY, the cost of MonaVie is WELL WORTH it. What would you pay to live without constant pain?
Just my experience, I truly hope whatever path you take for your illness leads you to a pain free life! :-)
Best - Jennifer
peter - 23 Aug 2007 01:39 GMT Hi Jano Prolonged use of medication has side effects, I was on them for 27 years and I'm not going back. Some fruits like mangosteen have anti- inflammatory properties as we know from scientific studies. That helps me to manage pain with out side effects, but if you are looking for a cure for RA, so are we. lol Peter
On Aug 22, 6:31 am, jt_gar...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > I don't want to hear from "sellers" but a couple of friends are pushing me > > to try these very expensive juices (did drink 6 bottles ofXango/Mangosteen [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Best - Jennifer d'huit - 27 Aug 2007 17:46 GMT Hi Jano Prolonged use of medication has side effects, I was on them for 27 years and I'm not going back. Some fruits like mangosteen have anti- inflammatory properties as we know from scientific studies. That helps me to manage pain with out side effects, but if you are looking for a cure for RA, so are we. lol Peter
i'm glad it helps you, peter. but, please make sure the progression of your RA is being monitored by a rheumatologist while you are doing this.
i've tried mangosteen, gave it a good try, 5 cases of it, about a $1000.00 worth (thanks to an extreemly loving and caring friend, for over 30 years, who sent it to me, free of charge, just cuz she wanted to see if it would help me.) mangosteen didn't help me.
kate
On Aug 22, 6:31 am, jt_gar...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Aug 7, 2:39 pm, "Jan O" <jano1...@charter.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Best - Jennifer Smokie Darling (Annie) - 28 Aug 2007 02:49 GMT > Hi Jano > Prolonged use of medication has side effects, I was on them for 27 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > lol > Peter and some of those anti-oxidant rich fruits (blueberries) can have deadly effect. Mangosteen nearly killed me from an allergic reaction, as have blueberries. Sorry, if I'm gonna die anyway, I'll risk the side effects to have some decent years of quality of life. I rather like being able to pick up my granddaughter, wouldn't be able to without those "horrible" drugs.
I know you didn't say that, but that's what I'm hearing here, and I'm sick of my "well-meaning" friends sneaking this sh.t into my food, thinking they are helping me. I can't even try the "so-called" best chocolate brownies, because I don't know if my mother-in-law has decided to be "helpful". <sigh> Makes me cranky (okay, crankier <g>).
Smokie Darling (Annie)
> On Aug 7, 2:39 pm, "Jan O" <jano1...@charter.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > > awful since the staph infection, replacement of the TKR, and mostly having > > > to quit Remicade--the only thing that ever helped. Help. Jano peter - 30 Aug 2007 06:39 GMT Hi Most of us learnt when we were kids that diseases like scurvy and rickets are caused by nutrient deficiencies. Yet many countries have regulations, saying something like "Only medicine can prevent, mitigate and cure diseases". Asprin the wonder drug comes from the bark of the willow tree and was used by native Indians. Regulators would have us believe that willow bark and all the other folk lore concoctions did not work. Also a positive outlook seems to help and that you can't get in a pharmacy.
jofirey - 30 Aug 2007 06:50 GMT > Hi > Most of us learnt when we were kids that diseases like scurvy and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Also a positive outlook seems to help and that you can't get in a > pharmacy. Show me anything official from any country anywhere to the tune of only medicine can prevent, mitigate, and cure disease.
And I'm sure none say "only drugs"
May be one or two out there that would include clean water and sanitation to be "medical"
But simple isolation will prevent the spread of many diseases. People have known and acted on that for centuries.
What you eat and how you obtain what you ear and how you prepare it has a huge impact.
But believe it or not, well nourished humans who are careful in their well cleaned surroundings , even the ones that get proper exercise still get ill and still get injured.
BTW, the FDA really does know where aspirin comes from. And Digitalis, and Belladonna, and ergot and many other drugs that were the province of the medicine man once upon a time.
JO
d'huit - 27 Aug 2007 17:37 GMT you didn't read the first 7 words of jan o's post, did you? or perhaps, you simply ignored those first 7 words, because you are a seller.
btw, do the math. $2.66 per day x 365 days per year = $960.90 per year (assuming there are no other additional charges, like shipping and handling), and not covered by insurance.
and who is monitoring the progression of your arthritic condition, while you are taking this stuff that you say makes you feel better?
and also, btw, you never did say just what form of the over 160+ forms of arthritis you say you have had for 12 years and that you are treating with this. you are saying, "try this. spend your money on this, cuz it worked for me.", without you taking into consideration that there are over 160+ forms of arthritis and without even you knowing which forms this "might" help and for which forms this is a total waste of time and money. but "try it/buy it" anyway, eh, "cuz it works for you"?
by your own admission, in your post dated 8/21, you were "hard pressed to find information on this product and what it has done for people with arthritis". but you think, and stated, that was because of people who are sick and tired of being bilked out of their money. did it ever occur to you that the real reason, you couldn't find the information that you were searching for, was precisely because it DOES NOT help many/enough people with arthritis AT ALL? if it really worked, arthritics would be talking about it all over the web--arthritics who have no vested interest in getting free advertizing by using newsgroups and support groups to get the name of this product out there, and no vested interest in selling this product.
kate
On Aug 7, 2:39 pm, "Jan O" <jano1...@charter.net> wrote:
> I don't want to hear from "sellers" but a couple of friends are pushing me > to try these very expensive juices (did drink 6 bottles of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > awful since the staph infection, replacement of the TKR, and mostly having > to quit Remicade--the only thing that ever helped. Help. Jano In reponse to this other post: They're only interest is in making $$$$ while emptying your wallet.
- My answer: So are PHARMACEUTICAL companies. Do you think that they are putting out medications that have up to 120 side effects so you can IMPROVE your health?? And what do those medications cost you if god forbid you don't have insurance? I have USED MonaVie, and speaking for MYSELF, it works. I have had arthritis for 12 years, and this is the only product (including steroid injections) that has relieved the pain and inflammation. I am finally able to work out, go up and down stairs without crying, and I don't wake up all night because of the pain in my joints. For $2.66 per DAY, the cost of MonaVie is WELL WORTH it. What would you pay to live without constant pain?
Just my experience, I truly hope whatever path you take for your illness leads you to a pain free life! :-)
Best - Jennifer
california_chief - 27 Aug 2007 21:10 GMT Jennifer wrote:
> I have USED MonaVie, and speaking for MYSELF, it works. Bull sh.t, you money-grabbing whore/slut/bitch. Do you honestly believe that your "miracle" bottle works?
Where are the PHASE 1, PHASE 2, PHASE 3 trial results? Where are the ads in the arthritis magazines? Where are the thousands and thousands of "pleased customers," instead of a couple scam artists advertising in these support groups?
Why wouldn't a doctor offer this to patients and earn twice or more what insurance pays?
> I have had arthritis for 12 years, and this is the only product > (including steroid injections) that has relieved the pain and > inflammation. I am finally able to work out, go up and down > stairs without crying, and I don't wake up all night I was diagnosed 31 years ago. Indocine was my only drug for 24 years, under 3 doctors. It was enough at the time to allow me to return to square dancing.
Discovered my current RD, he switched me to DMARDs and NSAIDs and they've been a livesaver. About once a year I receive a steroid injection in the knee, and that keeps me going for another 12 months.
And I don't pay a penny, not a cent, which is much less than $2.66 a day you quote for your wacko bottles.
Paul T. Holland - 27 Aug 2007 22:53 GMT gosh joe, t'would be hard for her to document anything...except that is, the fda warning they got that they CAN NOT promote the health benefits for inflamation...lololol
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g6031d.htm http://www.webmd.com/content/article/128/116986
> Jennifer wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > And I don't pay a penny, not a cent, which is much less than $2.66 a day you > quote for your wacko bottles. Paul T. Holland - 27 Aug 2007 22:53 GMT as a distributor, you are prohibited from making claims:
http://www.fda.gov/foi/warning_letters/g6031d.htm
> > I don't want to hear from "sellers" but a couple of friends are pushing me > > to try these very expensive juices (did drink 6 bottles of Xango/Mangosteen [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Best - Jennifer
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