I am sero-negative for RA for over 30 years, have very little joint
damage, but in quite a bit of pain recently that a medrol pack has
helped but only for a short time.
Am presently back on Plaquenil after being off everything for six months
due to liver and kidney problems. Have been taken off Methotrexate due
to liver problems. (In the past had gold shots, and all the nsaids you
can name as well as Celebrex etc).
Okay, here's the problem. The Rheumy said we will talk about heavy-duty
drugs at next appt. Endo and Nephrologist both say no way, that I have
to stick with the Plaquenil with pain meds as needed. PCP doc doesn't
want to offer an opinion. Part of the pain is a bulging disc that will
probably go away eventually.
I am so darn confused about what to do or what to say to Rheumy at next
appt. These docs don't talk to one another but do send written reports
back and forth. I would appreciate your feedback to help me sort this
mess out.
Ann
Bud - 18 Jun 2007 17:36 GMT
> I am sero-negative for RA for over 30 years, have very little joint
> damage, but in quite a bit of pain recently that a medrol pack has
> helped but only for a short time.
...
> I am so darn confused about what to do or what to say to Rheumy at next
> appt. These docs don't talk to one another but do send written reports
> back and forth. I would appreciate your feedback to help me sort this
> mess out.
I'd say let them sort it out. Have your Endo and Nephro doctors send the
Rheumy their opinion that you shouldn't have those drugs and let them fight
it out. Get copies for yourself in case your Rheumy insists and something
goes wrong (and let him know you have those copies that go against his
prescribing suggestions). ;-)
Ann - 18 Jun 2007 23:54 GMT
Thank you Bud and Donna. I feel better just putting it down in writing.
What I don't want to happen, as you can well imagine, is that the doctor
decides my fate without my input. I've had doctors in the past who
treated me like a moron and I just won't put up with that again. Guess
I will table any decision until I speak with the Rheumy again and get
all the options. Then I will confront the other two and see what we can
come up with. Since there is little damage and it's not worsening, it's
a matter of pain control (I think) and not the biologics which I've
already been told I cannot take. Thanks again for your help.
Ann
Donna G. - 18 Jun 2007 23:26 GMT
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Wow, Ann, that is a mighty tough spot to be in and I'm not sure what the
correct answer or resolution is for you.
I think I would start off asking all 3 of those doctors, but most
especially the kidney doctor and liver specialist which meds if any
might be the least toxic to your system. Would any of the newer meds
such as rituxan, orencia, etc. be an option for you.
Also, would discuss with the RD these same issues and also the issue of
monitoring with blood work more often once back on a med just to be safe
in case things start to go wacky again for you.
If none of the meds are an option for you, would a daily dose of pred be
an option. I know that is not the best route that anyone wants to
consider, but if nothing else is an option, then perhaps 10 mgs of pred
or so a day would at least keep your pain levels more tolerable.
I kind of went through a similar situation when I developed my RA lung /
pulmonary interstital fibrosis problem as the lung doctor did not want
me back on mtx or some of the other meds, but it turned out that in the
long run, the higher doses of pred were just as waring on the body as
the mtx, so after many many discussions with the RD and the lung doctor
and my pcp (although my pcp really didn't want to be involved in it at
all), and after both doctors making sure I was well aware of the risks
invovled, we made the decision together that I would re-start the mtx at
a very low dose to see how I did and then go from there.
In any case, I wish you the best in what ever decisions you all come to.
Hugs,
Donna
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california_chief - 19 Jun 2007 02:24 GMT
> ....but in quite a bit of pain recently that a medrol pack has
> helped but only for a short time.
> Am presently back on Plaquenil
> Have been taken off Methotrexate due to liver problems.
> I would appreciate your feedback to help me sort this
> mess out.
Ann, have you tried a patch such as Lidoderm:pdpcaome?
It's slow acting but long term and can be worn 12 hours.
When I want/need instant pain relief, I use KETOPROFEN,
a Rx salve. It is FAST, FAST acting. I got 2 cans just before
our trip to Portland in June 2005 and still have 1/2 of 1 left.
It doesn't take much to obtain results.
... numbnutz tom is is search of himself ... have you seen him anywhere?
Ann - 19 Jun 2007 02:53 GMT
Chief, that's a couple of good suggestions, thanks. I usually suck it
up and take a valium and try to nap through the pain and when very bad,
I have vicodin. It's beginning to have an effect on how I live my life
so that is not a good thing. All my real damage is in my curly toes
and they have stayed at a constant for several years now.
Ann
Leslie & The Furbabies in MO. - 19 Jun 2007 08:49 GMT
Ann-
I also have sero-negative RA and it's mostly in my curly toes and one
hyper-mobile toe- very similar to your situation. I have renal papillary
necrosis from taking Tylenol and Celebrex, so now all I can take is
Ultram/Tramadol for the pain.... nothing for the RA. It's a tough balancing
act when there's so many factors to consider and each specialist seems to
want what's best for their area of expertise and don't want to consider the
other problems and work with the other specialist. grrrrrrr!!! Good luck
in finding some relief.
Leslie
> Chief, that's a couple of good suggestions, thanks. I usually suck it
> up and take a valium and try to nap through the pain and when very bad,
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Ann - 21 Jun 2007 18:08 GMT
Thanks Leslie, it helps to know someone understands how I feel. With
Stage 2 kidney disease and secondary hypothyroidism all probably due to
an adrenal problem (notice I said "probably"), I don't want these
doctors telling me to try anything that might cause further trouble. The
way I look at it is, pain can be controlled but death is permanent.
Ann
Squirrely - 21 Jun 2007 22:41 GMT
It sounds like adrenal to me too. I know that one all too well. I hope not
though in your case.

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