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Oxidative stress and osteoarthritis

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ironjustice - 25 May 2007 14:52 GMT
Vet Clin Pathol. 2007;36(2):192-195.
Serum markers of lipid peroxidation, antioxidant enzymatic defense,
and collagen degradation in an experimental (Pond-Nuki) canine model
of osteoarthritis.
Goranov NV.
Department of Veterinary Surgery, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine,
Trakia University, Stara Zagora, Bulgaria. nickgoranov@yahoo.com.

BACKGROUND:Chondrocyte lipid peroxidation is strongly suggested to
mediate collagen degradation and thus, to be involved in the
pathogenesis of cartilage degradation and osteoarthritis (OA).
OBJECTIVES: The objective of this study was to evaluate early changes
in serum biochemical indicators of oxidative stress during the
development of OA in a canine model. METHODS: Experimental OA was
induced in 7 dogs by transection of the anterior cruciate ligament
(Pond-Nuki model). Venous blood samples were obtained prior to the
operation and on postoperative days 30, 60, and 105. The activity of
serum catalase (an antioxidant enzyme), malondialdehyde (MDA)
concentration (a marker of lipid peroxidation), and serum C2C
neoepitope concentration (a marker of collagen type II degradation)
were measured. RESULTS: A statistically significant increase in all
parameters as early as the 30th postoperative day was observed,
compared with preoperative values. Serum catalase activity peaked on
day 60, whereas MDA and C2C concentrations increased continuously
until the end of the experimental period. A significant positive
correlation was found between MDA and C2C concentrations, but not
between catalase activity and MDA or C2C concentrations. CONCLUSIONS:
The results support the hypothesis that oxidative stress is involved
in the pathogenesis of OA in the dog based on the Pond-Nuki model. The
correlation between MDA and C2C concentrations suggests a possible
association between oxidative stress and cartilage degeneration.

PMID: 17523095 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher]

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keystone@mark.com - 26 May 2007 14:49 GMT
Yup, oxygen is the cause of all disease.  Show me one disease where it
is not involved.

Jesus was a fish eater.
Ron Peterson - 27 May 2007 04:52 GMT
On May 26, 8:49 am, keyst...@mark.com wrote:
> Yup, oxygen is the cause of all disease.  Show me one disease where it
> is not involved.

Botulism poisoning doesn't involve oxygen.

--
  Ron
CabinBoy - 26 May 2007 17:28 GMT
> Vet Clin Pathol. 2007;36(2):192-195.
> Serum markers of lipid peroxidation, antioxidant enzymatic defense,
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>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

Jesus was an omnivore.  Oxygen as a free-radical species is
responsible for many cellular diseases including osteoarthritis.  I am
actually beginning a trial in Tibet (recruitment is ongoing) of an
osteoarthritic disease which I believe stems from oxidative damage.

Since all life on earth consists of and requires N, C, H, O, P, one
could say that all non-mutagenic (cancers) disease is in some way
related to these elements.
ironjustice@aol.com - 26 May 2007 18:32 GMT
On May 26, 9:28 am, CabinBoy <jeff.coken...@gmail.com> wrote: Jesus
was an omnivore.<<

He .. wasn't UP .. on His .. science then ..

Eh ..

Since .. age related iron accumulation .. happens .. and since
increased meat intake .. parallels .. the INCREASE .. **of** ..
iron .. then YOU can say .. "meat DOESN'T cause progressive ..
progressive .. INCREASE of .. iron .." .. but the studies SHOW it ..
**does** ..

So unless you can come up with a valid .. **reason** .. WHY .. iron
POISONING is .. **good** for you .. then .. man IS a herbivore / non
blood consumer .. **because** .. you cannot argue a food that kills
you is a 'natural' .. food .. for you.

It is .. illogical ..

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CabinBoy - 27 May 2007 21:52 GMT
On May 26, 12:32 pm, "ironjust...@aol.com" <ironjust...@aol.com>
wrote:
> On May 26, 9:28 am, CabinBoy <jeff.coken...@gmail.com> wrote: Jesus
> was an omnivore.<<
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

You logic is illogical and unscientific.  If, as you say, iron
accumulates due to age (please site references), the notion that meat
intake somehow parallels this has no bearing on the alleged iron
increase.  What if the subjects were eating iron filings?  What if the
subjects were vegetarians and still demonstrated an increase in iron?
In addition, as a binding agent of hemoglobin, iron is a vital mineral
and not harmful.  If one were to go about eating swords or trucks,
then I suppose one might experience problems, but iron poisoning
(which is what you are suggesting) is rare.

Now, your idea that iron poisoning is bad for you has nothing to do
with Jesus.  Being nailed to a cross is very bad for you, and he did
that too.  And, since he recovered from being nailed to a cross, he
would presumably recover from your fictional iron poisoning.

Eating blood is bad for you - not because of its iron content.  But
rather, because blood is the fluid which carries wastes/biologics and
eating it means you are eating the system which is designed to
eliminate wastes.  Rather like eating trash.

Humans who eat only a vegetarian diet, are generally (yes, a
generalization) skinny, pale and weak.  Ovo-lacto vegetarians are
sometimes able to overcome this deficit.

There is an almost vegetarian who is the epitome of health, but few
other people are willing or able to go to his extremes to remain
healthy - Jack Lalanne.  Jack does eat fish and very lean chicken - no
beef ever.

I give you the fact that westerners eat way too much red meat.   But,
since the fall of man, our race has not been herbivorous.

Cheers!

CB
ironjustice@aol.com - 28 May 2007 01:59 GMT
You logic is illogical and unscientific.  If, as you say, iron
accumulates due to age (please site references),<<

Plant irons are most beneficial to the body because their absorption
remains
safely regulated, whereas iron from animal sources tends to accumulate
to
levels which increase free radical activity contributing to heart
disease,
cancer, and the aging process.
--Presented at the National Meeting of the American Chemical Society
by
Tung-Ching Lee, a food scientist at Rutgers University in New
Brunswick, N.J.,
April 2000.  reprinted from Good Medicine, PCRM, August 2000

>> the notion that meat
intake somehow parallels this has no bearing on the alleged iron
increase. <<

Meat eating leads to INCREASED iron **stores** .. the MORE meat you
eat .. the HIGHER the iron stores .. you eat moderate you have
moderate iron stores .. you eat low .. you have low iron stores .. you
eat HIGH you have .. high .. iron **stores** ..

Get .. it .. ?

The MORE meat you eat the HIGHER / more .. iron **stores** ..

<<snip>>
dietary intake of haem iron
<<snip>>

CONCLUSION: The observed differences in estimated
body iron stores in Greenlanders from the three residential areas can
be
explained by differences in the dietary intake of haem iron. PMID:
11168519,
UI: 21099797

http://tinyurl.com/43a7g

>> What if the subjects were eating iron filings?  What if the
subjects were vegetarians and still demonstrated an increase in iron?
<<

Well .. what .. ?

>> In addition, as a binding agent of hemoglobin, iron is a vital mineral
and not harmful.  <<

Iron is not .. harmful ..

You are in .. medicine .. ?

Sounds like .. it ..

You are a really smart .. guy ..

You must run into that every .. day ..

Must get embarrassing having to .. apologize .. for .. that .. ALL the
time ..

Eh ..

>>If one were to go about eating swords or trucks,<<

Obviously a .. doctor .. or nurse ..

>> then I suppose one might experience problems, but iron poisoning
(which is what you are suggesting) is rare.<<

Yep .. rare ..

92% of long term diabetics have free floating iron .. and 58% of newly
diagnosed .. diabetics .. have .. **free** .. **floating** .. iron ..
i-r-o-n ..

Now unless you consider diabetes to BE .. "rare" .. then your ..
research / knowlege .. is .. wanting ..

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