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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / May 2007Red meat and arthritis risk
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4065433.stm "Iron is another possible candidate. It has been shown to accumulate in the rheumatoid synovial membrane, causing tissue damage." Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk BEWARE!!! Tom is one of our regular trolls who is also a very sick individual. He believes that iron overload is the cause of ALL disease processes. He often posts very obscure articles and long rants filled with obscenities when challenged. This individual and his so called "advice" can be extremely dangerous. So please be very careful in taking anything he says seriously. His suggestions can bring great harm to an individual, including possible death. He is well known as a very dangerous pest on hundreds of ng. Please always check with your physican before taking any advice from someone like the likes of Tom/Iron Justice Donna G. . . . ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS...... numbnutz tommy wrote: > "Iron is another possible candidate. It has been shown to accumulate > in the rheumatoid synovial membrane, causing tissue damage." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4065433.stm What numbnutz omitted from his spew: Red meat in itself is not dangerous to health, but should be eaten in moderation as part of a balanced, healthy diet Professor Alan Silman, Director of the Arthritis Research Campaign epidemiology unit at the University of Manchester, said: "Meat consumption may be linked to either additives or even infectious agents, but there is no evidence as to what might be important in relation to rheumatoid arthritis." The team also found that eating more protein overall, including other forms of meat and plant protein, also increased the risk of developing RA, while eating fat did not seem to raise the risk. Other risk factors A spokeswoman for the Arthritis Research Campaign, which funds the epidemiology unit, said: "This study provides further evidence that environmental factors can help to trigger rheumatoid arthritis. "Red meat in itself is not dangerous to health, but should be eaten in moderation as part of a balanced, healthy diet." > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! Who went fishing with his disciples and fed FISH to the multitudes after a sermon. > Man Is A Herbivore! Born with molars and canine teeth to cut, chew, and enjoy MEAT. ... numnutz tommy's parents said he could be anything ... if/when he grew up, so he became an a.shole. >>On Apr 15, 4:31 pm, "california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote: Red meat in itself is not dangerous to health<< Actually .. the part .. "iron has been shown to accumulate in the rheumatoid synovial membrane, causing tissue damage." .. is more .. **pertinent** .. than .. your little diet .. tips .. there .. chief .. Or more .. precisely to THIS .. **thread** .. give a **cite** in which it states .. "meat is good for those with rheumatoid arthritis" .. other than the 'word' of researchers WITHOUT .. medical cites FOR .. 'their' .. **opinion** .. The ONLY thing this study .. **shows** .. which the researcher CAN refer to .. IS .. "iron has been shown to accumulate in the rheumatoid synovial membrane, causing tissue damage." YOU believe iron in the joints is .. good .. for .. people with arthritis .. ? The researcher believes it is not .. good. Explain how you think .. iron accumulating IN the joints of people with arthritis is .. good .. for them. You seem to be intent on .. minimizing .. the FACT .. "iron has been shown to accumulate in the rheumatoid synovial membrane, causing tissue damage." Now why is .. that .. chief .. ? It must stem from the fact you have always .. contended .. iron is NOT involved in .. rheumatoid .. arthritis .. ? Even when .. researchers .. tell you .. different .. you STILL .. insist on attempting to .. distract .. FROM .. the .. "iron has been shown to accumulate in the rheumatoid synovial membrane, causing tissue damage." Sooo .. that means .. ? .. you're .. stupid .. ? Heh .. heh .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk BEWARE!!! Tom is one of our regular trolls who is also a very sick individual. He believes that iron overload is the cause of ALL disease processes. He often posts very obscure articles and long rants filled with obscenities when challenged. This individual and his so called "advice" can be extremely dangerous. So please be very careful in taking anything he says seriously. His suggestions can bring great harm to an individual, including possible death. He is well known as a very dangerous pest on hundreds of ng. Please always check with your physican before taking any advice from someone like the likes of Tom/Iron Justice Donna G. . . ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS...... numbnutz tommy wrote: > Sooo .. that means .. ? .. you're .. stupid .. ? There you go again, talking about yourself while looking in a mirror. One of these days that face of yours is going to crack the mirror. > Jesus Was A Vegetarian! Who went fishing with his disciples and fed FISH to the multitudes after his sermon. > Man Is A Herbivore! Born with molars and canine teeth to cut, chew, and enjoy MEAT. ... Life is full of disappointments. ... Just look at numbnutz tommy looney rants. >>Man Is A Herbivore! > > Born with molars and canine teeth to cut, chew, and enjoy MEAT. The dentition argument is weak. Gorillas are at least 99% herbivorous and have much more pronounced canines than we do. Do a google image search on gorilla teeth. Better yet, read some of Gary Fraser's papers. Adventist vegetarians do live a little bit longer than Adventist meat eaters. > >>Man Is A Herbivore! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Better yet, read some of Gary Fraser's papers. Adventist vegetarians > do live a little bit longer than Adventist meat eaters. Seeing as the gorilla is an omnivore, I would have to say that the tooth argument is stronger then your... What was that? A rebuttle? Did you actually try to say it was a weak correlation because the gorillas don't eat a lot of meat? I could understand if they didn't eat any meat, but they do. As for Fraser's book. Does it have anything to do with a gorilla's teeth? Otherwise it would seem you are trying to push a vegetarian agenda. In which case the only reason a person should become a vegetarian is if the wish to spare the life of another animal. There is no physiological evidence that man is anything other than an omnivore. On May 9, 1:04 am, TheAmazingGu...@gmail.com wrote: > There is no physiological evidence that man is anything other than an > omnivore. The only physiological evidence advanced by true experts is that man is not an omnivore but a frugivore. Starting with the mouth, the teeth, the jaw structure and movement, the enzymes released, the pH of the saliva, etc. shows that man in not a carnivore. That picture continues on throughout man's digestive system. I'll make you a bet. Come out to my farm. Go into my pasture and with nothing but your hands and teeth, catch, kill, and begin to eat one of my cows. I'll wager you can't do it to a 1500 lb cow. I'll also wager that my 2000 lb bull would stomp your as* into the ground to protect his cow. DrCee On May 9, 2:02 pm, drcee...@insightbb.com wrote: > On May 9, 1:04 am, TheAmazingGu...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > DrCe Sorry, sport but you are wrong. See, being a carnivore doesn't mean only being a hunter, It also means being a scavenger. So, lets do this for the bet. Why don't you kill a cow and I'll come out and eat it. Why don't you ask your frugivore experts about B12 and see which fruit they recommend as a source of it? >I'll make you a bet. Come out to my farm. Go into my pasture and >with nothing but your hands and teeth, catch, kill, and begin to eat >one of my cows. I'll wager you can't do it to a 1500 lb cow. I'll >also wager that my 2000 lb bull would stomp your as* into the ground >to protect his cow. One does not have to kill an animal to be a carnivore. Some carnivores eat what has already died (including what has been killed by others). Further, there are things easier to kill than a cow. A carnivore can eat fish or birds, for example. bob >>I'll make you a bet. Come out to my farm. Go into my pasture and >>with nothing but your hands and teeth, catch, kill, and begin to eat [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Further, there are things easier to kill than a cow. A carnivore can >eat fish or birds, for example. Or even insects. Chimpanzees eat termites, for example. -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I'll kill anyone that tries to stop me from killing anyone." -- Yellowbeard >>>I'll make you a bet. Come out to my farm. Go into my pasture and >>>with nothing but your hands and teeth, catch, kill, and begin to eat [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Or even insects. Chimpanzees eat termites, for example. and they found is a meat eater also but makes his home where fruit can be found. I had a person that I was talking to tell me that ants are very tasty. I could not argue with this person just because I had not eaten any ants and I do enjoy a good steak or hamburger. So it goes. Harv In misc.health.alternative Bob <bbx107.XYZ@excite.xyz.com> wrote: :>I'll make you a bet. Come out to my farm. Go into my pasture and :>with nothing but your hands and teeth, catch, kill, and begin to eat :>one of my cows. I'll wager you can't do it to a 1500 lb cow. I'll :>also wager that my 2000 lb bull would stomp your as* into the ground :>to protect his cow. : One does not have to kill an animal to be a carnivore. Some carnivores : eat what has already died (including what has been killed by others). : Further, there are things easier to kill than a cow. A carnivore can : eat fish or birds, for example. There is AFAIK paleontological evidence that even early hominids hunted in groups, and that they killed animals with objects other than their hands and teeth. ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "Logic is a wreath of pretty flowers which smell bad." >On May 9, 1:04 am, TheAmazingGu...@gmail.com wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >The only physiological evidence advanced by true experts is that man >is not an omnivore but a frugivore. How would you know? It's not as though you're a true expert at anything, as you hide behind your pretend "Dr." -- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct. "I'll kill anyone that tries to stop me from killing anyone." -- Yellowbeard In misc.health.alternative David Wright <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> wrote: :>On May 9, 1:04 am, TheAmazingGu...@gmail.com wrote: :>> There is no physiological evidence that man is anything other than an :>> omnivore. :>The only physiological evidence advanced by true experts is that man :>is not an omnivore but a frugivore. : How would you know? It's not as though you're a true expert at : anything, as you hide behind your pretend "Dr." I'd be satisfied with a list of plant-eating mammals that have canine teeth, without respect to the credentials of "Dr. Cee". ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "an optimist is a guy/ that has never had/ much experience" We are less close to gorillas than to chimps (who will hunt and eat monkeys and, on occasion, kill and snack on other young chimps). Along with canine teeth, we share the forward-set, stereoscopic tracking eyes of mammal predators. If we were only met to gather and graze, we'd be content with wide-set, bunny/cow eyes. Humans hunted larger animals in packs, which is why they may have related well (and eventually domesticated) wild canines. According to "The Straight Dope" the human digestive tract length correlates to that of an omnivore. Following the chimps diet proportions (rather than all his specific menu choices), we were all meant to occasionally toss a little flesh in with all the leaves and fruit. If Jesus was a militant vegen, why would even his incorporal, resurrected body take in a fish-snack before its ascension? Shouldn't that tell you something? I mean, what if the departed veggie- believer's first impression upon entering Heaven is the overpowering smell of Bar-B-Q? > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4065433.stm > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk We can try understanding more by understanding:- How iron levels can effect blood flow systemically and to any part? Is it type or quantity of regular/natural food to us is damaging? Killing is of livings and is common in intake of both types of food. GOD is god for all livings--plants and animals. Though fruits, nector, leaves etc. can have lesser /least killing base and lesser nature's harming food, which nature offers by itserlf for a purpose. Though decreasing excesses to nature balance and adding to defficiencies may also be an natural initiation and as per nature. We kill many seeds in one serving and individual seed is one independent life which is a nature's progressor. > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4065433.stm > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk "Introduction People who have hemochromatosis - an inherited disease in which there's an overload of iron in the body - often develop type 2 diabetes. And a study found that, indeed, increased heme-iron intake from red meat was clearly associated with an increased risk of diabetes (see the first link below). Although that study couldn't directly relate overall iron in the diet with a risk of diabetes, the suspicion was there. Now a study has examined if increased levels of iron in the blood are linked to the occurrence of the metabolic syndrome, one common feature of which is a raised fasting blood sugar level (i.e. pre-diabetes). The investigators from Johns Hopkins University have published their findings in Diabetes Care, and we summarize their report here. http://www.healthandage.com/public/health-center/1/article/2933/Serum-Iron-Level s-are-Linked-to-the-Metabolic-Syndrome.html" |
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