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It Hurts When I Walk / Venous stasis
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ironjustice - 08 Apr 2007 20:26 GMT Venous stasis is when the blood .. therefore oxygen .. cannot 'reach' .. areas of the body .. either through .. stoppage .. or inability to .. force its' way .. through .. the tiny little tubes that are the blood flowing 'aqueducts' / piping.
The blood flowing aqueducts / piping consist of four different sizes of pipe .. large , big , medium , small.
Milkshake cannot flow through .. small.
Therefore the 'thicker' / more syrupy / sludge like .. the blood .. the less .. the blood is able to perfuse / reach .. therefore .. lack of oxygen therefore .. gangrene .. or hypoxia .. AT .. the POINT .. of blood flow stoppage.
Hence the appearance of hemosiderin / iron FROM destroyed red blood cells / hemolysis .. AT the .. point .. OF .. lack of blood flow / venous stasis.
Red blood cells are destroyed WHEN .. blood stoppage happens.
<<snip>> Hemosiderin staining is caused by the degradation of red blood cells within the interstitial spaces in the epidermis and dermis. The skin takes on a grayish brown color caused by the deposition of the iron- containing pigment. <<snip>>
Venous stasis can be caused BY **increased** red blood cells PRODUCTION / erythrocytosis.
Erythrocytosis causes hyperviscosity / thick .. syrupy like .. blood.
Low-iron diet treats erythrocytosis.
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'It Hurts When I Walk:' Venous Stasis Disease - Differential Diagnosis and Treatment Posted 02/07/2007
Cynthia A. Worley, BSN, RN, COCN, CWCN
Author Information Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful." - Joshua J. Marine
Introduction I am in the process of redecorating my master bedroom and decided to make a new duvet cover for the comforter. The only area in the house large enough for cutting fabric is on the living room floor. Needless to say, I've been crawling around on the floor a lot lately. And, consequently, I've been taking a lot of over-the-counter pain relievers as a result. I don't think I have arthritis or joint disease (although I am of a certain age when one begins to think in those terms and wonder "am I getting too old for some of the activities I engage in?"). The pain associated with venous stasis disease is much worse than ordinary musculoskeletal discomfort. Imagine that every step you take feels like someone is driving a nail through your leg and then connecting that nail to an electrical outlet so that the pain travels up and down your leg. This type of pain is not relieved by Advil®!
Chronic venous insufficiency is related to more than 70% of lower- extremity ulcers and it is estimated that up to 1 million people in the United States are affected by the disease. Approximately 3.5% of the population 65 years of age and older are affected by chronic venous insufficiency and 2 million workdays are lost annually (Falanga, 1997; Rudolph, 1998). Patients experience increased stress, pain, decreased quality of life, and difficulty in coping with the symptoms and manifestations of the disease. In addition to the psychosocial problems caused by venous leg ulcers, the financial costs can be significant. Venous disease cannot be controlled without certain permanent lifestyle changes. Notice, I said controlled not cured.
Introduction Some wound care professionals believe that patients with chronic venous insufficiency and venous stasis ulcers are the most difficult patients to treat because there is a significant lifestyle factor involved in the etiology of the problem. We know that venous leg ulcers are associated with pain and a decreased quality of life (Phillips, Stanton, Provan, & Lew, 1994) and the incidence of recurrence through improper diagnosis is high (Erikson et al., 1995). So, in this article, diagnosis and treatment will be discussed.
Because venous, arterial, neuropathic, and mixed-etiology ulcers have many characteristics in common, it is important to perform a thorough assessment along with a history and physical in order to gather all the information required to make an accurate determination. There are several distinguishing characteristics of venous ulceration that will separate its diagnosis apart from other lower-extremity ulcerations. To further "cloud" the diagnosis is the fact that up to 26% of patients with venous disease also have arterial insufficiency as well (Nelzen, Bergqvist, & Lindhagen, 1997).
Differential Diagnosis One of the initial signs of venous disease is venous congestion and dilation of the saphenous vein along the medial area of the calf. Pitting edema in the ankle area toward the end of the day is another differentiating characteristic. Skin color changes also assist in ruling out other types of insufficiency ulcers. The texture of the skin will also change over time in the patient with untreated or poorly controlled venous stasis disease.
Hemosiderin staining is caused by the degradation of red blood cells within the interstitial spaces in the epidermis and dermis. The skin takes on a grayish brown color caused by the deposition of the iron- containing pigment. Venous dermatitis usually indicates longstanding disease and is characterized by erythema and scaling. Large quantities of exudates cause skin maceration and small breaks in skin integrity. Absorption of topically applied substances leads to sensitization and increases risk for allergic reaction or contact dermatitis in this population. Atrophic blanche is another potential finding from the assessment and is characterized by a white, avascular, sclerotic area. Lipodermatosclerosis is the term used to describe the indurated, waxy, and fibrotic texture of the skin in the "gaiter" area. Pulses in the feet and ankle are not considered diagnostic of venous stasis disease. The lower extremity has an inverted "champagne bottle" appearance. Table 1 provides an outline of the major characteristics of venous stasis ulcers.
Diagnostic Evaluation Although the characteristics of the ulcer may lead the wound care professional to diagnose chronic venous stasis disease, it is prudent to perform diagnostic testing to confirm the suspected condition. Ankle-Brachial Index, Doppler ultrasonography, tourniquet testing, photoplethysmography (using a transducer and infrared light source), venography, and duplex imaging are all accepted methods of determining a differential diagnosis. It should be understood, however, that each of these methods are used to determine the particular components of the vascular system involved in the disease process and the specific pathology. For example, tourniquet testing is used to identify valvular incompetence in the superficial venous system. The Ankle- Brachial Index (ABI) is determined by dividing the ankle systolic pressure by the brachial systolic pressure (ABI of 0.7-0.9 generally correlates with adequate perfusion; results below this benchmark indicate arterial disease). Doppler ultrasound is used to verify if pulses are present if the edema present prevents accurate palpation of those pulses. Photoplethysmography is used to provide a measure of venous filling times and venous reflux. Venography is used prior to surgery to provide details of the venous system. Duplex imaging is the standard diagnostic tool for assessing venous disease. It is a highly sensitive testing method used to determine not only the viability of the anatomy involved but also the hemodynamic function of all three venous systems.
Management of the Patient with Venous Ulcers Obviously, the first priority in management is to address the underlying etiology of the condition. Restoring adequate venous return reduces venous hypertension, thereby controlling edema and increasing velocity of blood flow. This, in turn, decreases WBC margination and extravasation into the surrounding tissues. Surgical and nonsurgical strategies for correction of venous flow may include surgical obliteration or ligation of the affected veins, valvular repair, compression therapy, elevation and pharmacologic therapy.
Surgical management may be the treatment of choice if the ulcers are resistant to more conservative therapies or if venous obstruction is present. In the presence of primary superficial disease, vein ligation or stripping may minimize venous congestion and hypertension. Valvular procedures are used to correct deep vein pathology.
Compression therapy is the application of externally applied pressure as a means of facilitating normal venous flow and has long been considered a cornerstone of treatment and prevention of recurrence of ulceration. The critical factor in the success of compression therapy is patient compliance. Compression increases interstitial tissue pressure, opposing extravasation of blood and fluid into surrounding tissues, and also supports reabsorption of extravasated fluids. Com pression also increases fibrinolytic activity and possibly also inhibits platelet aggregation, which contributes to the management of lipodermatosclerosis. The amount of compression is dependent upon the severity of the disease and venous hypertension and the pressure must be applied in a gradient fashion; the highest pressure is delivered to the ankle, with the gradual lessening as the pressure approaches the knee. Unna's boots, multiple layer compression bandages, sequential compression boots (pneumatic devices), and other short and long- stretch bandages can all be used to manage the patient's venous ulcer during healing.
Elevation, along with compression therapy, contributes to the reduction of edema. Patients should be encouraged to elevate the feet above the thighs while sitting and above the level of the heart when lying down to encourage venous return.
Pharmacologic agents have been studied for their supposed ability to reduce edema, enhance fibrinolysis, and promote anti-coagulation. To date, their efficacy in treating venous hypertension has not been demonstrated. Only hemorrheologic agents have shown any benefit as they decrease blood viscosity and WBC adhesion while increasing fibrinolysis (pentoxifylline [Trental®]). Aspirin, heparin, ifetroban, and prostaglandin E1 have been studied for a potential role in healing of venous ulcers but have yet to demonstrate efficacy. Topical growth factors have not shown benefit in treating venous ulcerations.
Summary Venous stasis disease represents 70% to 90% of lower-extremity ulcers treated. Venous hypertension brought about by inadequate venous return and defective valvular systems is the main culprit. Positive outcomes in patient care can be achieved by an ongoing partnership between the health care provider and the patient to control the disease and its effects. Appropriate assessment and management require a long-term commitment by a multidisciplinary team to encourage and enhance patient compliance and to prevent recurrence.
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Harvey R. Stone - 09 Apr 2007 13:25 GMT Venous stasis is when the blood .. therefore oxygen .. cannot 'reach' .. areas of the body .. either through .. stoppage .. or inability to .. force its' way .. through .. the tiny little tubes that are the blood flowing 'aqueducts' / piping.
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ironjustice - 09 Apr 2007 16:19 GMT This article specifically speaks to the .. micro**circulation** .. and HOW it .. **pertains** and WHEN treated .. properly .. results IN ..
"The total effective rate was up to 97.92%, cure rate up to 68.75%, without toxicity and side effects."
<<snip>> obstruction of microcirculation, particularly in speeding up the blood flowing <<snip>>
Zhong Xi Yi Jie He Za Zhi. 1991 Jul;11(7):411-2, 389-90. Links [Clinical and experimental study on shenghong kangyan su in treating 144 cases of pelvic inflammation with blood stasis syndrome][Article in Chinese] Fang LY, Lin SS. Fuzhou No. 1 Hospital, Fuzhou Institute of Medical Science.
Using the method of clearing up heat and resolving stasis, the authors treated 144 cases of pelvic inflammation with blood stasis syndrome (BSS) with Shenghong Kangyan Su. The total effective rate was up to 97.92%, cure rate up to 68.75%, without toxicity and side effects. Clinical and experimental study showed that the crux of pelvic inflammation with BSS had some relations with microcirculation obstruction. Inflammation may cause microcirculation obstruction and blood stasis, and is one forms of BSS. Therefore dull purple-tongue, undertongue vein dilated, abdominal pain in lower-part, pathologic mass can be regarded as the basis of diagnosis of pelvic inflammation with BSS The drug of clearing heat and resolving status has the functions of anti-inflammation, anti-pain, diminishing the obstruction of microcirculation, particularly in speeding up the blood flowing, lowering the aggregation of erythrocyte, P less than 0.001.
PMID: 1914037 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This article .. SPECIFICALLY .. shows .. **stasis** / lack of blood .. flow .. f-l-o-w .. CAUSING .. bone necrosis / atrophy ..
<<snip>> circulatory disturbances results in bone atrophy and the aggravation of clinical symptoms including intensified pain. <<snip>>
Nippon Seikeigeka Gakkai Zasshi. 1989 Sep;63(9):1029-39. Links [Studies on the blood circulation at the proximal site of the tibia in rheumatoid arthritis][Article in Japanese] Takahashi S. Department of Orthopaedic Surgery, Tohoku University School of Medicine, Sendai, Japan.
It has not been well studied the blood flow of the bone of patients with rheumatoid arthritis. For this reason, the author of this report studied the circulatory state of the venous system at the proximal portion of 28 tibiae from 22 patients with rheumatoid arthritis and one from a healthy male as a control. In this study, we tried to correlate the clinical symptoms with local destruction of the joint and the bone atrophy. We injected 1 ml of saline into the medullary cavity through the cortical bone, then measured the time required for the back-flow of 5 drops-leakage of bone marrow blood. In addition oxygen pressure and carbon dioxide gas pressure of the marrow blood were evaluated, phlebography was also taken. Delayed venous circulation shown on the phlebogram tended to coincide with high rates of back-flow. When the venous circulation surrounding and within the bone marrow was fair, many of our patients were found to have mild pain associated with gradual degeneration and moderate atrophy of the bone. On the other hand, when the venous circulation of the above area showed stasis, most of our patients were found to have progressive destruction and atrophy of the bone. This study has concluded that inflammation and swelling of the synovial membrane produces circulatory disturbances in and out of the joint. These disturbances result in bone atrophy and the aggravation of clinical symptoms including intensified pain.
PMID: 2511262 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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ironjustice - 09 Apr 2007 16:34 GMT Methotrexate .. reduces .. erythrocytes / red blood cells .. thereby INCREASING blood .. flow .. f-l-o-w .. DECREASING .. 'venous stasis' / lack of blood .. flow.
<<snip>> methotrexate shifts iron from being utilized in hemoglobin synthesis to liver stores <<snip>>
Titre du document / Document title Effect of methotrexate and folinic acid on accumulation of iron in mice Auteur(s) / Author(s) IQBAL M. P. ; MEHBOOBALI N. ; SULTANA F. ; KHAN F. B. ; SURREY I. A. ; KAKEPOTO G. N. ; Résumé / Abstract A mouse-model was used to investigate the effect of methotrexate (MTX) and folinic acid on accumulation of iron in young growing mice. Four equal groups of Balb/c young male mice were treated (subcutaneously) with either MTX, or folinic acid, or MTX plus folinic acid, or physiological saline on every second day. After 3 weeks of treatment, liver, spleen, kidney, small intestine, brain, skeletal muscle and heart were removed and analyzed for iron contents using a spectrophotometric method. When the mean values of iron in liver of four groups were compared using one way ANOVA followed by Tukey's HSD test, the group receiving MTX alone was found to have significantly (p = 0.004) more accumulation of iron in liver. The group receiving MTX plus folinic acid had iron accumulation in the liver similar to the placebo group. However, the mean values of iron in brain, kidney, small intestine, skeletal muscle, heart and spleen in all the groups, were not found to be statistically different. The data indicate that MTX shifts iron from being utilized in hemoglobin synthesis to liver stores. Folinic acid administration 8 h post-MTX, however, prevents this shift of iron to liver. Decreased levels of iron in plasma in mice treated with MTX alone suggest decreased availability of iron to other tissues for their normal growth and development. Revue / Journal Title Medical hypotheses (Med. hypotheses) ISSN 0306-9877 Source / Source 2003, vol. 61, no4, pp. 444-445 [2 page(s) (article)] Langue / Language Anglais
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ironjustice - 09 Apr 2007 16:51 GMT It seems .. hydroxyurea .. a red cell **reducer** / remover .. and methotrexate .. ANOTHER red cell .. reducer / remover .. have been used for quite some .. time.
Do you think .. reducing / removing .. red cells may be .. involved .. ?
Nahh ..
Arch Dermatol. 1974 Jul;110(1):70-2. Links Effects of methotrexate and hydroxyurea on psoriatic epidermis. Preferential cytotoxic effects on psoriatic epidermis.Smith C, Gelfant S. PMID: 4418706 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
Arch Dermatol. 1973 Mar;107(3):369-70. Links Combined methotrexate and hydroxyurea therapy for psoriasis.Sauer GC. PMID: 4692125 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
I wonder if anyone recommends .. red blood cell reduction FOR .. arthritis .. ?
<<snip>> complete remission <<snip>>
Rheumatology (Oxford). 2003 Dec;42(12):1550-5. Epub 2003 Jun 27. Links Near-iron deficiency-induced remission of gouty arthritis.Facchini FS. Department of Medicine, San Francisco General Hospital and University of California San Francisco, 94143, USA. fste2000@yahoo.com
OBJECTIVES: Previous evidence supports a role for iron in the pathogenesis of gout. For example, iron, when added to media containing urate crystals, stimulated oxidative stress with subsequent complement and neutrophil activation. Conversely, iron removal inhibited these responses as well as urate-crystal-induced foot pad inflammation in rats in-vivo. The objective of the present study was to investigate whether or not iron removal may improve the outcome of gouty arthritis in humans as well. METHODS: Quantitative phlebotomy was used to remove iron in 12 hyperuricaemic patients with gouty arthritis and maintain their body iron at near-iron deficiency (NID) level (i.e. the lowest body iron store compatible with normal erythropoiesis and therefore absence of anaemia). RESULTS: During maintenance of NID for 28 months, gouty attacks markedly diminished in every patient, from a cumulative amount of 48 and 53 attacks per year before (year -2, -1), to 32, 11 and 7 during induction (year 0) and maintenance (year +1, +2) of NID, respectively. During NID, attacks were also more often of milder severity. CONCLUSIONS: During a 28- month follow-up, maintenance of NID was found to be safe and beneficial in all patients, with effects ranging from a complete remission to a marked reduction of incidence and severity of gouty attacks.
PMID: 12832712 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
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ironjustice - 09 Apr 2007 17:17 GMT So .. theoretically this meal should ALSO cause an .. aggravation of symptoms / pain .. in .. arthritis.
<<snip>> triglyceride levels jumped from 140 milligrams per deciliter of blood (mg/dL) after the high-fat meal, but only 10 mg/dL after the low- fat meal. <<snip>>
Blood Flow to Heart Hampered After High-Fat Meal Mon Apr 1, 5:54 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - While a lifetime of fatty meals can lead to a heart attack, a study released Monday suggests that chowing down on just one high-fat meal can interfere with blood flow to the heart in healthy young men.
In the study, 15 healthy men in their 20s or early 30s consumed a shake containing a whopping 1,200 calories and 100 grams of fat--roughly the equivalent of eating a fast-food meal plus dessert. All of the men underwent a heart test and had blood samples taken before and after consuming the liquid meal.
The researchers, led by Dr. Takeshi Hozuml of Osaka City University in Japan, found that 5 hours after the high-fat meal, the ability of heart arteries to expand and increase blood flow to the muscle--a measure known as coronary flow reserve--dropped by 18%.
In addition, five men underwent the same tests after consuming a low- fat 1,200 calorie meal that contained only 10 grams of fat. In that case, the men did not have a drop in coronary flow reserve after consuming the meal, according to the report in the April issue of the Annals of Internal Medicine.
The findings suggest that coronary microcirculation--the tiny blood vessels that provide oxygen-rich blood to heart muscle--can be impaired by a high-fat meal. Although the study did not include people with heart disease, the results could explain why those with heart disease-related chest pain, known as angina (news - web sites), can have increased pain after a high-fat meal. The pain of angina is thought to be due to a reduction in blood flow to the heart.
The heart, the body's blood pumping organ, requires its own blood supply to function properly. Coronary arteries are the main blood vessels that supply the blood to the heart, and if a blockage occurs the surrounding vessels compensate by expanding in size to keep the proper amount of blood flowing to the heart.
Doctors have know that a high-fat meals, which increase the amount of fatty substances in the blood such as triglycerides, can over time lead to artery clogging and eventually heart attacks. In the new study, the investigators found that triglyceride levels jumped from 140 milligrams per deciliter of blood (mg/dL) after the high-fat meal, but only 10 mg/dL after the low- fat meal.
While the researchers were not able to determine if the increase in triglyceride levels was responsible for the decrease in the heart's blood flow reserve, the authors say the findings suggest implications for patients with heart disease.
SOURCE: Annals of Internal Medicine 2002;136:523-528.
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ironjustice - 09 Apr 2007 17:35 GMT In 1981, Lucas found a fat-free diet produced complete remission in 6 patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Remission was lost within 24-72 hours of eating a high-fat meal, such as one containing chicken, cheese, safflower oil, beef, or coconut oil. The authors concluded, "...dietary fats in amounts normally eaten in the American diet cause the inflammatory joint changes seen in rheumatoid arthritis." (Clin Res 29:754, 1981).
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ironjustice - 09 Apr 2007 17:44 GMT > In 1981, Lucas found a fat-free diet produced complete remission in 6 > patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Remission was lost within 24-72 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > DEAD PEOPLE WALKINGhttp://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Arthritis should therefore be .. aggravated / pain intensified .. when one goes to .. altitude .. because altitude increases erythropoiesis / red blood cell production .. and therefore increases .. viscosity .. the same as a .. high-fat meal.
Sooo .. one can assume .. going to altitude AND eating a high-fat meal .. WHEN you .. get there .. just may be .. painful.
That is theory .. though ..
Should we check to see if anyone has checked this .. yet .. ?
Let's ..
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ironjustice - 09 Apr 2007 18:11 GMT Hmmm .. high altitude / therefore increased red blood cell production .. BRINGS .. arthritis .. rheumatoid .. nodules .. and erosive arthritis ..
Coincidentally .. the same .. 'gradient' / altitude .. as .. Multiple .. Sclerosis ..
<<snip>> observed that the prevalence of rheumatoid nodules, RF, and erosive arthritis in Africa increased along an altitude gradient from sea level (Nigeria) to high-altitude regions (Uganda and Lesotho). They postulated that it was the absence of tropical infections at high altitudes that predisposed to more severe disease. <<snip>>
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ironjustice - 09 Apr 2007 18:48 GMT The only treatment for thick blood is to be bled.
· the production of red blood cells, which carry oxygen through the body, increase as the body acclimates to high altitude, allowing more oxygen to be "grabbed" from every breath.
The body also responds to the lower oxygen levels by putting more red blood cells into circulation. Up to a point, this is a good thing. However, if it goes too far, the blood becomes thick and prone to clotting. Clots which get dislodged float around and can cause strokes, heart attacks, and pulmonary embolisms. The only treatment for thick blood is to be bled.
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california_chief - 09 Apr 2007 16:23 GMT numbnutz wrote:
> 'It Hurts When I Walk:' Venous Stasis Disease - Differential Diagnosis > and Treatment > Posted 02/07/2007 > Cynthia A. Worley, BSN, RN, COCN, CWCN HEY! numbnutz, why did you remove the following notice from your post?
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ironjustice - 09 Apr 2007 17:07 GMT >>On Apr 9, 9:18 am, "california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote: HEY! numbnutz, why did you remove the following notice from your post?<<
Glad you are still able to read .. there .. chief .. after ALL the years of masturbation ..
You see .. people .. caring .. people .. SEND me .. stuff ..
I place .. stuff ..
You don't like my .. stuff .. other .. peoples' .. stuff .. ?
You would like to .. report .. people .. FOR .. placing .. medical .. stuff .. ?
You .. like .. people who .. WITHHOLD .. medical .. stuff .. ?
Like liver toxicity studies of .. methotrexate .. ?
Describe that .. feeling ..
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california_chief - 09 Apr 2007 21:06 GMT numbnutz wrote:
> Glad I am still able to read .. there .. chief .. after ALL the > years of masturbation .. Well, you finally admit what everyone has alway known.
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howard.aubrey@gmail.com - 13 May 2007 15:45 GMT On Apr 9, 12:18 pm, "california_chief" <Fire_Chief@Jamacha_Junction_FD.ca.us> wrote:
> numbnutz wrote: > > 'It Hurts When I Walk:' Venous Stasis Disease - Differential Diagnosis [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > 1994-2007 > by Medscape. This website also contains material copyrighted by 3rd parties. Chiefy, what FD are you retired from and how long did you serve there?
Donna G. - 13 May 2007 16:18 GMT Oh, for crying out loud, give it a rest you little liar troll! Clearly you are trying to harass chief to hide something in your volunteer past!!! . . . .
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