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Do any of you just get scared?
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Donna G. - 26 Mar 2007 04:58 GMT I mean with all these diseases and such, and what they take from us, I just wonder if any of you get just plain scared at times? Ever since I had the stroke, I deal with it ok most of the time, but every once in a while it just kind of sneaks up o me and I get really scared as to what is in the future. What if I get really sick again and it sets off another stroke? I know, it's probably not a normal reaction, but it is what it is and I'm not sure what to do with it. Am I alone in this type of feeling? If it persists, I guess I will have to go find a good counselor that deals with chronic health issues and work through all of this, but I guess I'm just wondering if anyone else gets these feelings or am I just plain going crazy?
Also, do any of you ever get the feeling like there are bugs crawling on your legs and then you look and there is nothing there? Honestly, these last couple of weeks have me feeling like I truly am losing it!
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nanny - 26 Mar 2007 06:33 GMT Donna, the feelings of fear I can identify with. I think a little of that is normal, but not to be dwelt upon 24/7. The 2 things I fear most are: heart attack and having to live with even more pain in the years ahead. Fortunately, I don't get the "creepy bug crawling" sensation on my legs, but I've heard others describe it. Hang in there; you're not losing it yet LOL! Nanny
> I mean with all these diseases and such, and what they take from us, I > just wonder if any of you get just plain scared at times? Ever since [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call > them FRIENDS...... Donna G. - 27 Mar 2007 02:33 GMT Thanks so much, Nanny, for your words of encouragement, I so appreciate them!!! . . .
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Carole - 26 Mar 2007 08:23 GMT > I mean with all these diseases and such, and what they take from us, I > just wonder if any of you get just plain scared at times? Ever since [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > this, but I guess I'm just wondering if anyone else gets these feelings > or am I just plain going crazy? You're not crazy, Donna. I get those feelings too. When I was first diagnosed with CHF, I kept waking up in the night feeling like I couldn't breathe. I thought I was having a heart attack. I went to my cardiologist who explained to me that since my arteries were as clear as a bell, I was not having a heart attack. What I was experiencing was the stress of all I was going through. I went to speak with a psychologist and my "attacks" stopped. But every so often if I wake up during the night not feeling well, my first thought is that it's my heart. And it's not...it's generally something I ate that was too spicy :)
> Also, do any of you ever get the feeling like there are bugs crawling on > your legs and then you look and there is nothing there? Honestly, > these last couple of weeks have me feeling like I truly am losing it! I get that a lot since I do not have good circulation in my legs because of the CHF. Do you have good circulation in your legs? You can try massaging your legs with some kind of cream. I find it helps a bit :)
Hugs, Carole
RoseB - 26 Mar 2007 08:39 GMT Carole: Are you on oxygen, and if so how much/often? How do you cope with daily activities- shopping, housework, etc.
I am not asking because of being nosy, but because my sister deals with CHF as a result of damage sustained from chemo and radiation when she had her breast cancer. She is not able to walk far at all, in fact grocery shopping presents a challenge. O2 sats seem to decrease when she lies down, so typically she sleeps on the recliner. It would be nice for her to hear about someone else that is going through it. Thanks! Rose @}>->-- Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it. RB
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Carole - 26 Mar 2007 17:25 GMT Hi Rose,
I am not on oxygen. Daily activities are a challenge, and I have to admit that sometimes I just let them go, especially the housework :) I do most of my shopping online now. I just can't do clothes shopping anymore. It's just too difficult.
As for food shopping, I have to stick to the smaller grocery stores as I also can only walk short distances. I can't do the large ones at all. If I'm having a bad day, I use the electric cart. Most of the time, I'm OK with the regular shopping cart. I just have to go very slow. Oh, and I can't do a whole week's grocery shopping at once. I go every two or three days as I can't carry the bags if they are too heavy or too many of them. I also ask the cashiers to please pack my bags light. If they seem to heavy whem I put them in the cart, then I grab a couple of extra bags so that I can divide the stuff up once I get to the car.
There are a lot of things I can no longer do, but I try not to think about them and concentrate on what I can do. I do get frustrated so if your sister is getting that way, be understanding. I used to walk from 57th Street to 34th Street when I lived in NYC, and now I can't walk from my apartment to my mailbox. I have to get my mail when I'm going out in the car.
The other frustrating part for me is that I always loved to travel. I can't do that anymore either. I have to just do day trips here and there.
Life is a challenge, but to look on the bright side, I'm still here :-) And the birds are singing in my trees this morning, and my ducks are swimming in their pond :)
Hugs, Carole
> Carole: > Are you on oxygen, and if so how much/often? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Please remove "Ima" to reply. RoseB - 27 Mar 2007 01:01 GMT Thank-you Carole, It helps to hear how others are coping- not that there is a standard because each case is different. It sounds like you are making the best of your situation. Good for you! Rose @}>->-- Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it. RB
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Donna G. - 27 Mar 2007 03:46 GMT Hey Carole,
I took a page out of your book today and went out and hung out on my balcony for a while. Does a soul good just to be out there and soak up the sunshine and the breeze that was blowing. Felt wonderful and very renewing. I often go out on my balcony at night, as I love the cool air and to look at all of the stars and such, but it had been awhile now since I have been out on the balcony during the day. Today was the perfect time to do that. Thanks for the reminder!
Donna G. . . . ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
Carole - 27 Mar 2007 06:42 GMT GREAT!! I love my balcony! I'm not sure where you live, but what I'm looking forward to now is the start of the whale watch season. For me, there is nothing better than being out on the boat with the sea air blowing against my face and through my hair. The grey whales are here now so I'm thinking of going next week to see them :) Orca season starts in May and they are my favorites :) I love those guys!
I just got some nice furniture for my balcony. They had a big sale at Big Lots for people on their email list. I got a nice little round table and two chairs for under $50. So now I can go out there and have breakfast on the balcony. Even the Queen doesn't have it as good, LOL!
Carole :)
> Hey Carole, > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call > them FRIENDS...... Donna G. - 28 Mar 2007 02:41 GMT LOL........Carole, glad that you were able to find such nice furniture for your balcony. That will definitely make the time spent out there all that more enjoyable.
I am in Michigan, and the weather here right now is a little unpredictable to say the least. One day it is 80 the next day it is 40 and you never know how to dress. In any case, it has been extremely humid the last few days which makes it very hard to breathe for me, but I do so appreciate the sunshine.
I dont have quite the view you do out on your balcony, but thats ok. I am actually on the 7th floor of a highrise apartment building and I look out over a parking lot, a fairly busy road with a shopping center across the street, but also can see quite a distance since I am so far up. I just enjoy being out there as it is like your own little haven out there.
Today I had a full day of PT and OT and by the time I got done with both, I was so sore that I could hardly move. Went down to the lobby and sat outside on one of their benches and people watched for about 30-45 minutes before I even called my cab to go home. It was relaxing and there was a nice breeze.
Just got to get my mind in a better place mentally with this fear stuff that keeps trying to sneak in. I will get there and I so appreciate having all of you to come to and talk with about it.
It's kind of funny when you feel like you are the only one dealing with a particular feeling or health issue and then when you do finally post about it, it is sometimes surprising at how many others have experienced or are experiencing the same things. That in itself helps to get a better prospective of things.
Have fun watching the orcas and if you get any good pictures of any, please share them with all of us!!!
Hugs,
Donna G. . . . ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
Kelly - 28 Mar 2007 04:02 GMT I second Donna - we would love to see some pictures - your photography is so good.
Donna - glad you had a good day. Little things will help. Take each day individually and if that is too much go by the hour. We are all here to help you through.
i had a crappy day and stayed in bed most of the day. My dad's cousin who I was really close to died yesterday. Gloria had mouth cancer and it was a horrible ending. I am comforted by the fact that their was one heck of a good party up in heaven last night. Gloria and her husband Al who died of cancer 15 years ago, my dad, my grama and grampa and Gloria's mom and dad - my aunt and uncle. They were all catholics and my favorite memories are of gatherings with the whole family, the laughter, the stories. I know it was a great wake last night! No service which is sometimes hard. Second funeral in a week - both expected but always hard.
Anyhow I have to get out of bed tomorrow and get on with life. We are going to the subdivision approval commitee to get our new house approved. Kind of anticlimatic as the father of the approval guy designed the house - duh!
So yes share those orca pictures. Glad to hear you have a good place to sit. Do you have flowers on your deck??
Kelly
> LOL........Carole, glad that you were able to find such nice furniture > for your balcony. That will definitely make the time spent out there [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call > them FRIENDS...... Fire Chief - 28 Mar 2007 06:10 GMT > I second Donna - we would love to see some pictures - > your photography is so good. What photography? Does Carole have a web page we can view?
Carole - 28 Mar 2007 19:52 GMT >>I second Donna - we would love to see some pictures - >>your photography is so good. > > What photography? Does Carole have a web page we can view? I'm working on it :) I'll let everyone know when it's done. In the meantime, check out http://beam.to/carolemartin for photos from around the world.
Carole
Kelly - 28 Mar 2007 23:44 GMT I had one of her photos on a christmas card - it was great.
Kelly
>>>I second Donna - we would love to see some pictures - >>>your photography is so good. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Carole Squirrely - 28 Mar 2007 16:06 GMT Kelly sorry to hear about your cousin, I am sad for you and your family. You are in my thoughts and prayers.
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> > i had a crappy day and stayed in bed most of the day. My dad's cousin who [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > know it was a great wake last night! No service which is sometimes hard. > Second funeral in a week - both expected but always hard. Kelly - 28 Mar 2007 19:27 GMT We knew it was happening and she had lived life to the fullest. As always though it brings back memories of the past - both good and bad. It was a horrible few months for her though and I am glad it is over.
Thanks Jo.
Kelly
> Kelly sorry to hear about your cousin, I am sad for you and your family. > You are in my thoughts and prayers. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> stories. I know it was a great wake last night! No service which is >> sometimes hard. Second funeral in a week - both expected but always hard. Carole - 28 Mar 2007 19:51 GMT > I second Donna - we would love to see some pictures - your photography is so > good. Thanks, Kelly :-) I'm finding that my photos are improving. I am working on a website now to showcase some of the ones that I love the best. In the meantime, you can go to http://beam.to/carolemartin and see some of my photos from around the world.
> i had a crappy day and stayed in bed most of the day. My dad's cousin who I > was really close to died yesterday. Gloria had mouth cancer and it was a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a great wake last night! No service which is sometimes hard. Second funeral > in a week - both expected but always hard. Sorry to hear that. I will keep them in my prayers.
> Anyhow I have to get out of bed tomorrow and get on with life. We are going > to the subdivision approval commitee to get our new house approved. Kind of > anticlimatic as the father of the approval guy designed the house - duh! LOL, sounds like a slam dunk :)))
> So yes share those orca pictures. Glad to hear you have a good place to > sit. Do you have flowers on your deck?? Not yet, but I got some flower pots at the dollar store. So now I'm going to look for some nice flowers and plants to put out there. I did get lovely flowers from my niece for my birthday, but I have those inside :)) They are in a lovely basket. She's a gem :)
Carole
Squirrely - 30 Mar 2007 04:00 GMT Oh thanks for sharing these Carole, they are great you did a good job on them.
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> the meantime, you can go to http://beam.to/carolemartin and see some of my > photos from around the world. Carole - 30 Mar 2007 06:01 GMT > Oh thanks for sharing these Carole, they are great you did a good job on > them. Thanks, SJ. I have a lot more, but I'm putting them on my own website. Hopefully I'll get it done soon. I keep changing my mind about the colors and design :)
Carole
Nann Bell - 29 Mar 2007 16:58 GMT (((((((((((((((((((((Kelly)))))))))))))))))))) mouth cancer sounds truly horrific. It must be so difficult to watch someone you love die in that way. Hold tight to the knowledge that the love you shared with her lives on.
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Carole - 28 Mar 2007 19:47 GMT The balcony looks so cute now :) I like my new furniture. I had lunch out there yesterday and my morning decaf coffee today :)
I do have some great shots of orcas. They were so good that I sent them to the orca research center and they were able to identify them for me. I'm working on a new website for my photography. I'll let you know when it's ready :) In the meantime, I have some of my photos up at a gallery at Nikonians (it's a group for people who use Nikon cameras). You can see them at http://beam.to/carolemartin I have a lot more photos to put up, but I'm working on my own website now :)
Carole
> LOL........Carole, glad that you were able to find such nice furniture > for your balcony. That will definitely make the time spent out there [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call > them FRIENDS...... Nann Bell - 29 Mar 2007 16:58 GMT > I am in Michigan, and the weather here right now is a little > unpredictable to say the least. One day it is 80 the next day it is 40 > and you never know how to dress. In any case, it has been extremely > humid the last few days which makes it very hard to breathe for me, but > I do so appreciate the sunshine. hasn't this weather been nuts? Today the air pressure is so high, after swinging between rock-bottom-low and middlin' (usually both in one day!) for at least a week. Sunny & warm is one thing (except for encouraging weeds in my summer vegetable garden area!), but overcast, drizzly, humid and kinda warm sucks.
BTW, a warning to anyone thinking about using one of those garden claw type contraptions in their yard. I bought one this week to attack the weeds coming up in the garden area as I can't plant for at least 2 more months. It works great, at least on this previously turned & pplanted soil, but I apparently WAY overdid it. Pretty much everything from waist to chin has been throbbing since about 2 hours after I quit. It really wasn't bothering me that much as I was using it, but I will do MUCH less at one time from now on. If you start using one, start with very brief periods!
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Nann Bell - 28 Mar 2007 13:18 GMT > I just got some nice furniture for my balcony. They had a big sale at > Big Lots for people on their email list. email list??!?!?! didn't know they had special deals for the email list. As we're usually in there at least once/week I hadn't bothered, but I suppose I should now. And it figures that today we co-ordinated errands to save gas, but that limited my shopping rounds so I didn't do my traditional Big Lots inspection. May have to later this week. I really want an affordable small table for our deck.
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Carole - 28 Mar 2007 19:33 GMT >>I just got some nice furniture for my balcony. They had a big sale at >>Big Lots for people on their email list. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > inspection. May have to later this week. I really want an affordable small > table for our deck. Yes, when you sign up for their email list, they email you the flyer for the week. And then 2 or 3 times a year, they have special sale (usually on a Saturday or Sunday night from 6-9pm). They send you a coupon to print out and you get 20% off everything in the store. I saved quite a bit on my table and 2 chairs for my balcony. I had seen them a week or so earlier and was going to get them, but I was tired that day and decided I didn't have the energy to put them in a cart and then get them home. When I got the email a few days later, I was glad I didn't get them! I waited for the sale evening and got 20% off :)) Life is good
:)) Go sign up :) My table was $28 so I got it for $22.40. Today I got my SSDI so I'm going to go back and get a plastic cover for my table and chairs (they had one in this week's circular for $8). That way when it rains, my furniture will stay nice and dry :))
I also got cute sunflower chair pads and backs from Collections, Etc. for $6.97, and a yellow round tablecloth at the dollar store, and my balcony set looks so cute :))
Carole :)
Nann Bell - 31 Mar 2007 05:24 GMT > Yes, when you sign up for their email list, they email you the flyer for > the week. And then 2 or 3 times a year, they have special sale (usually > on a Saturday or Sunday night from 6-9pm). They send you a coupon to > print out and you get 20% off everything in the store. heehee, been to the website and signed up. Now the amount we spend there may go up even more! We get their flyer regularly in local advertising, but the special sales sound great. Now, if I could just win one of those $500 shopping sprees they were talking about, we might trade up from some of this thrift store living room furniture! (well, I can dream, can't I?)
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Carole - 31 Mar 2007 08:26 GMT > heehee, been to the website and signed up. Now the amount we spend there may > go up even more! We get their flyer regularly in local advertising, but the > special sales sound great. Now, if I could just win one of those $500 > shopping sprees they were talking about, we might trade up from some of this > thrift store living room furniture! (well, I can dream, can't I?) Wouldn't that be cool? I'd love to win that too for the same reason. I'm still saving for a table and chairs so that I don't have to sit on the couch to eat dinner. Right now I have a card table...how classy is that? LOL!!!!!
Hugs, Carole
Donna G. - 27 Mar 2007 03:23 GMT Rose,
Is your sister on oxygen? Having the oxygen may help her tremendously, especially at night when lieing down. Has her doctor offered this option to her? Doesn't seem like she should have to suffer so.
Are there any shopping services in your sisters area? I am fortunate in that here where I am you can hire a service to do your shopping for you for only $5.00 per shopping. It really is wonderful to have and I have used them several times since my stroke.
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Donna G. . . . ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
RoseB - 27 Mar 2007 07:05 GMT Hi Donna, She uses the oxygen a lot. This is a small town so there are not that many services. Her husband did everything, but now who knows? We shall see tomorrow. Rose @}>->-- Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it. RB
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Cindy - 27 Mar 2007 12:49 GMT > Carole: > Are you on oxygen, and if so how much/often? [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Please remove "Ima" to reply. Rose, this is the first time I have heard anyone else mention CHF because of the treatment given for cancer. This happened to my Dad... My Dad had Lung Cancer and was only given 3 mths to live. They treated it very aggressively and he ended up first with Radiation Sickness, and then CHF...but he had 4 more years...and was cancer free. When we think about the treatments there are out there for cancer and living through it...I don't think we realize what the stuff that kills the cancer does to our bodys... Prayers for your sister..
Donna G. - 27 Mar 2007 02:41 GMT Thanks so much, Carole, for your input, it really means a lot to me. I appreciate you sharing all of what you went through as it does help me to get a little bit better handle on where some of these feelings are coming from. I also appreciate the suggestion of using cream and massaging the legs, will see if that helps mine any. I don't have the best circulation in my legs, but the feeling like bugs are crawling up and down them just started within the last couple of weeks and really drives me crazy some nights. I swear, I get out of bed sometimes and put the light on cause it feels like there on bugs all over my left leg. Very freaky. I know my condition is no where near as serious as yours is and I don't mean to whine, but I'm just not use to feeling really scared about something. Especially health issues. Usually I have my little pity party and then get on with dealing with whatever it is I have to deal with. These strong feelings of fear that seem to just pop up every so often and wash over me are very new to me and I must say quite unsettling.
Anyways, thanks again for sharing so honestly with me! . . .
Donna G. . . . ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
Carole - 27 Mar 2007 06:37 GMT Hi Donna,
We all have to deal with what we are dealt. Believe me, when I first got sick, I went through all of the stages of anger, depression, etc. One of the good things about where I worked was that we could have 6 sessions paid for with a psychologist. I took advantage of that as I needed to vent...and vent I did :)))
You should try the massaging. Get a good massage cream. My massage therapist in NYC always used Eucerin, so that's what I got. The other thing is to go to a massage therapist. Your insurance may cover part or all of it. They are trained to help with these things.
If you need to talk, I'm here, and I'm a pretty good listener :))
Hugs, Carole
> Thanks so much, Carole, for your input, it really means a lot to me. I > appreciate you sharing all of what you went through as it does help me [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call > them FRIENDS...... Nann Bell - 28 Mar 2007 13:18 GMT a thought Donna - is the crawling-bugs feeling interfering with your sleep? It sounds like it might be and as we know all too well, lack of sleep starts us down a very unpleasant slippery slope. If it's causing sleep disturbances, that alone makes itt worth talking to your docs about it now rather than later. You need your rest so you can heal.
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> Thanks so much, Carole, for your input, it really means a lot to me. I > appreciate you sharing all of what you went through as it does help me [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call > them FRIENDS...... DaKittster - 26 Mar 2007 08:24 GMT >I mean with all these diseases and such, and what they take from us, I >just wonder if any of you get just plain scared at times? Absolutely! Doesn't everyone? Hehe, just kidding. I've come to the conclusion that occasional bouts of "scaredness" are just as normal for all of us with complex diseases as are bouts of depression.
>Ever since >I had the stroke, I deal with it ok most of the time, but every once in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >what it is and I'm not sure what to do with it. Am I alone in this >type of feeling? No, you're not alone in this at all, and it's a perfectly human and normal reaction. What's NOT normal is having diseases and medical conditions that greatly restrict our lives and the quality of our lives. I had a stroke-like episode as well, and the right side of my face, my right shoulder and side and arm and hand all went numb. It took six months for the feelings to gradually returned, and since there was no definitive evidence of an actual stroke, the doctors eventually learned that it was the precursor to my full blown aggressive type of RA.
Back to the issue of being scared: For me it went through phases as the uncertainty about so many things kept cropping up, like finances, the ability to remain self-sufficient, that sort of thing.
But like you, the thing that scares me the most is the thought of another stroke, or having my body become so disabled that I can no longer take care of myself. The thought of living the last years of my life in assisted living housing is abhorrent to me. I'd rather have a massive stroke or heart attack and check out quickly!
I know that's awful to hear for some people, but it's something I've thought a lot about. For me, now, the priority is "quality" of life, not longevity.
Which frees me up to enjoy the life I do have, and to shed all that angst and worry at last. I have a thorough handle, information-wise, on everything related to my medical conditions and diseases, and I know what to expect. And as each new phase happens I recognize it, adjust my lifestyle accordingly, and keep on keeping on while hardly missing a beat. The bouts of depression are brief when they happen, now, as a result of that inner serenity I've found.
>If it persists, I guess I will have to go find a good >counselor that deals with chronic health issues and work through all of >this, but I guess I'm just wondering if anyone else gets these feelings >or am I just plain going crazy? Nope, not going crazy. Just experiencing completely normal feelings resulting from dreadful, unrelenting pain and discomfort from diseases and the side effects from necessary drugs. The constancy of it all consumes ones world at times. It does help to have someone to talk to about it. But unless they also suffer from some medical condition, it's hard for normal "healthy" people to really understand and empathize.
Tell you my secret: It all comes down to -attitude-. Your attitude, and your reaction to what's happening to you and your body, makes all the difference in the world. You can either let the diseases run your life, or you can live your life on your terms while accommodating the restrictions caused by the diseases.
When I saw my RD late last year, he came in the way he usual does, looking solicitous and concerned, and asked me how I was feeling. I looked up at him with a big grin and said: "--I'm-- great! It's my BODY that's got all the problems!" It all boils down to attitude. :)
>Also, do any of you ever get the feeling like there are bugs crawling on >your legs and then you look and there is nothing there? Honestly, >these last couple of weeks have me feeling like I truly am losing it! No, you're not losing it. I get that feeling in other places, too. Like on my face and my scalp. It feels like thousands of microscopic soldier ants are crawling around under my skin with their little pincers snipping at tissue. It can drive me crazy at times. Frankly, when I told my RD about it and that I thought it must be feeling the flares starting when my immune system goes hyperactive again, sending out all those soldier guys attacking healthy tissue.....he looked at me like I was nuts!
My SO has Myasthenia Gravis, and similar things happen with him, so I know it's not uncommon for people with autoimmune diseases to have this type of symptom.
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Donna G. - 27 Mar 2007 03:19 GMT LOLOL.......thanks, LadyK, for your reply. I needed the humor that you threw in there along with your words of wisdom!!!
Glad to know I haven't gone completely nuts as of yet!!!
I usually do have a pretty tough and positive attitude about things, and I think that is why these feels of being scared that just seem to pop up out of no where are throwing me for a bit of a loop. I'm just not accustomed to being fearful of much. Usually I try to face things head on and deal with what ever it is I have to deal with and go on with life. Having these bouts of being really fearful are new to me and then add in the feeling of bugs crawling on me, makes me wonder if it is tme for the padded room yet!
Wow, I think you are the first one I remember ever hearing that had a stroke like event as well. It is scary not to know if you will ever get complete feeling and function back in the limbs effected. I certainly am encouraged to know that you still got function back after 6 months. My stroke was on dec. 31st, so it feels like things should be back to normal by now, but I guess I need to really work more on my patience. I have come a long way since dec., but still have a longs ways to go and just want to chuck the walker, the brace on my leg/foot, and be able to drive again.
I think you listing your phases that you went through seems to hit the nail right on the head for me. Maybe that is what is the undercurrent here for me. Hmmmmm..
Well, thanks again for all of your input, it does help tremedously and I'm glad I'm not alone in all of this.
Hugs,
Donna G. . . . ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
Squirrely - 26 Mar 2007 14:04 GMT Yes Donna, I get to feeling like that at times also with all that I deal with in the chronic issues area.
The leg thing sounds like restless leg syndrome to me. I get that too and the drs have said that is what it is called. I thought it was just pain that people were talking about when they talked about RLS but the drs said no that it is that buggy crawling feeling too.
Hope you get to doing better and soon.
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> I mean with all these diseases and such, and what they take from us, I > just wonder if any of you get just plain scared at times? Ever since [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call > them FRIENDS...... Donna G. - 27 Mar 2007 03:24 GMT Thanks so much, SJ, for your input. I know you have been through so very much in your lifetime. Far more than I have ever had to endure that is for sure.
Always thinking of you and Jim and hoping for some goodness to come both of your ways.!!! . . .
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Squirrely - 28 Mar 2007 16:08 GMT Your welcome Donna.
Don't forget to ask your dr if that leg thing could be restless leg syndrome. They I believe have meds they can use for it.
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> > Thanks so much, SJ, for your input. I know you have been through so [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call > them FRIENDS...... Nann Bell - 26 Mar 2007 15:32 GMT #1 this IS a perfectly normal reaction! I think it is even more normal for someone who has been through a truly life-threatening & not previously faced situation, such as your stroke. Donna, you have strength that amazes us who know you. You stay so upbeat and caring and enjoy so much of life despite all the health and personal issues you've dealt with recently. It's ok to be normal and scared once in a while! <chuckle>
You know, I'm thinking there's probably a stroke survivors group in you area that would be a good way to connect with others who are dealing with the same stuff you're ggoing through right now. I imagine you physical therapists or doctors could find out more about that for you. Your reaction sounds normal enough to me that I think such a group would possibly be more helpful for you than a single counselor.
Oh, and on the more physical side - as great as your doctors have always sounded, I think tthey'll be perfectly understanding if you call them, tell theem you are sick and are wondering if you need closer watching. Didn't one office chew you out for not calling? Just go ahead and call the nurse if you get sick again and discuss stuff. Heck, I've only known my doctors a couple of years, but my PCP has already seen me a couple of times to rule out the possibility that something truly serious is underlying a virus. He's been great about it. In my experience, good doctors and nurses know the difference between someone who is *fighting* for his or her health and someone who is a whining hypochondriac. Just go ahead and call and stay in touch with them if you get sick. That's an order! We don't want to lose you!
#2 I agree with SJ, the creepy-crawly feeling sounds very much like restless leg syndrome. I do wonder if in your case it might be connected to your nervous system redesigning ittself after the stroke. Definitely mention it to your PT and your docs. They can probably give you things to try to help with it.
Fear is normal. My biggest fear these days is pain related. Mike helpss me a lot, but God is my biggest help - from pleas that I don't think I can do this again (when the pain is really building) to asking for guidance about calling a doctor for something, prayer and listening have gotten me through a lot. So when the fear hits, remember to assk for strength, courage and guidance. (I forget this too often at firstt and really tense up over the pain, when I remember to pray, I relax and cope better.)
sigh..... I see my recent affliction of typing double letters has hit this reply. I don't feel like correcting the typos and y'all understand anyway.........
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Donna G. - 27 Mar 2007 03:43 GMT {{{{{{{{{{{ Nann }}}}}}}}}}
Thanks, Nann, so much for your encouragement. It truly means a lot to me.
I was sorry to read that you are going through a bit of a rough patch as well. And, you are right, this weather isn't helping any at all. Between the constant temperature changes, barometer changes, and humidity changes, my poor body is quite confused. I'm sure part of my problem is also the not sleeping well due to the weather issues. I finally turned on my a/c about an hour ago because it is just way way too humid out there to breathe, but way to hot in here with the windows closed up. Ugggh. Pretty sad to have to put the a/c on in march!
I think you're right, too often I do forget to pray first. I usually start panicing or wriggling around in pain for a while before I realize I need to stop and pray about it all. Usually once I do that, things do begin to look up. You'd think by now that would be the first thing I did, but nooooo!
I do plan on talking to my doctors and will mention some of this stuff to the PT and OT as well. Thanks for that nudging. You are right, I do have wonderful compassionate doctors and I know they will be more than willing to have me ask questions and call them with concerns rather than suffer through. I just hate to always feel like a pest. I will do what I have to do though.
Could definitely use a good dose of gimp picnic right about now and a few good margaritas and some major laughing that comes with those gimp picnics. Yoooohoooo, oh KJ!!! LOL!
Hope you get to doing better and also hope that you have recovered at least somewhat from all of the bumps and bruises of the falls you took not too long ago!
Hugs to you and Mike!!!
Donna G. . . . ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
Nann Bell - 29 Mar 2007 16:58 GMT > I think you're right, too often I do forget to pray first. I usually > start panicing or wriggling around in pain for a while before I realize > I need to stop and pray about it all. Usually once I do that, things > do begin to look up. You'd think by now that would be the first thing I > did, but nooooo! you certainly aren't alone in that! It's a lesson I forget all the time and always have to remind myself. I think part of it is because the panic and/or pain increase and we don't realize how it's affecting us until we're tied up in knots. The part that's really strange to me is that I was better able to hold onto that center when I was working a fairly high stress job. I guess it was because that was what I got me through the work day and I needed it all along. Now it's more of a waxing and waning thing and I'm more likely to get distracted and forget.
> I just hate to always feel like a pest. I will do what > I have to do though. the "curse" of being a strong and independent individual! <chuckle>, but also quite serious. We struggle so much with the independence thing and trying to balance that with calling others. Just remember thatt people who care about you want to help you feel better and that includes your doctors - doctors who we know admire your fighting spirit.
> Could definitely use a good dose of gimp picnic right about now and a > few good margaritas and some major laughing that comes with those gimp > picnics. Yoooohoooo, oh KJ!!! LOL! oh yeah......... but KJ, if you do one this year, aim for later August! My high school band is planning another reunion the first weekend and I think our V-J Day celebration here will be the second.
> Hope you get to doing better and also hope that you have recovered at > least somewhat from all of the bumps and bruises of the falls you took > not too long ago! getting there. the forearm still aches if I do the wrong thing, but that's intermittent. The left shin, just below the knee, is still tender. Most stuff doesn't bother it, but I still cannot kneel on it. Annoying, but whatcha gonna do? Whenever I'm on the floor stretching, I have to remmeber to be careful getting up! LOL - of course, Puddin' usually tries to crawl up on me when i'm stretching, too. The other day, he walked up my shoulder and down the length of my body to mid-shin and off into the other room. Pets! LOL
> Hugs to you and Mike!!! and back atcha!
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ladylove77 - 26 Mar 2007 18:47 GMT Donna, I have often had the feeling something was crawling on my legs without being able to see anything or wipe off anything. Like my daddy, I have never been one to worry about things, so I just pray that the Lord will take me through whatever comes (like heart problems, a broken ankle, and dislocated hips!). Gwen
> I mean with all these diseases and such, and what they take from us, I > just wonder if any of you get just plain scared at times? Ever since [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call > them FRIENDS...... Donna G. - 27 Mar 2007 03:31 GMT Thanks Gwen. I guess I need to toughen up a bit. I have always admired you and so many others in the group for your fortitude and for dealing so well with all that comes along. So many here deal with some really tough things and do so with amazingly wonderful attitudes and spirits and humor. I have also always realized that I have been quite blessed to not have had to endure as much as so many here in the group have. It just seems that the last few years have been extra tough and although I think I deal with most of it ok, this whole stroke thing and the length of time it is taking to recover and the uncertainty of just how much I will get back I guess has really thrown me for a loop and scared me a bit more than I had realized in the beginning. I do pray and I do know that the good Lord will take me through what ever it is I need to deal with.
Donna G. . . . ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
Kelly - 26 Mar 2007 20:58 GMT Yup - regularly. Then I pick myself up and dust myself off. Donna - I have pity parties but unlike what some people do I schedule them. I know they are coming (yesterday was one). I make sure I have nothing happening that day - cry if I need to, sleep, stay in pajamas and generally feel sorry for myself. I always schedule something the next day to get myself out of them. Today was quilting day with my friends even though it was tough to get out of bed.
I think it is healthy to be scared so long as you don't let it grip you and take life out of you. If you kept looking for something to happen and kept waiting for it, well eventually it would. You would miss out on life. On the otherhand if you are scared and aware but go on with life in a positive way, then you are aware if it happens and can deal with it. For example you had the stroke. You know the symptoms now but don't go looking for them. Look after yourself doing what needs to be done to avoid having another one, know the signs as you do now but keep doing things. Keep reaching out just that little bit more for life. If for example Carole knows she can't go traipsing out in the wild looking for pictures to take on her camera she can open her windows and take pictures from her deck, make them black and white, sepia, twist them, manipulate them on the computer etc. A whole show from where she is. What a wonderful study and a way to turn a negative into a positive.
A counselor is good but sometimes you know the answers inside. It is a normal reaction but how you deal with it can set the tone for your life. I know you can turn it into a positive thing - that is the kind of person you are. It is good to be scared! And you dealt with it by talking to us. Now move on until the scared feeling happens again and talk to us again. Damn Donna - we have reason to be scared you and I. How we deal with it though is the difference between giving up and being us! You and I are not going to give up - we still have options (okay not as many as we had before but still options.)
Okay off my pedestal. Sorry but this is something I deal with all the time and I think I deal with it well. I know most here can as well and I especially know you can. You can sound off to me all you need to though - I have people I sound off to - like to all of you. It is okay to be scared - more than okay!!!!
A gentle big hug. Have a pity day then schedule something special to get over it. Like a walk in the sunshine (I know it is there somewhere).
Kelly
> I mean with all these diseases and such, and what they take from us, I > just wonder if any of you get just plain scared at times? Ever since [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call > them FRIENDS...... Donna G. - 27 Mar 2007 05:11 GMT Ahhhh, thanks, Kelly, for your words of wisdom.
I usually do ok with dealing things, but now sure how to schedule a pity party as the feelings I have been having of fear, just kind of sneak up on me seemingly from no where. Can't schedule that. I usually don't fight pity parties. When they come along, I usually allow myself to wallow in them for a day or two or even three, but usually no more than 3 days and then, I too, pick myself up by the boot straps and go on. Cause, as the saying goes, life goes on whether you go on with it or not! Guess I'm just perhaps fatigued and caught off gaurd with these feelings of fear and not sure quite what to do with them.
I don't THINK I dwell on them 24/7, but when they do come along, they kind of hit me upside the head without warning and I'm just not accustomed to being fearful of much and not sure exactly how to deal with it. You are probably right, though. the answer is probably somewhere inside of me and maybe I just need to set aside some time to find those answers within.
I've always considered myself fairly tough, but I have to say, there are sooooo many in this group, including you, who handle things with such grace and tenacity, and I have always admired so many here for that. Such awesome role models, Just not sure how you all do it so beautifully while I kind of stumble around like the clumsy one with two left feet trying to figure it all out as I go.
Don't worry, though, I am too ornery to throw in the towel, just got to figure out a better way of dealing with it all.
I so appreciate all of your support, nudges, lectures, whatever. I need them and it is what will get be back on track.
Guess I was just feeling a little alone and wondering if all of you incredible people really ever did get scared as you all handle things so well and don't really show your fear much.
OK, I am fogging up with tears and rambling now and of course not making much sense. Tomorrow is a new day and things will be better!!!
Blessings and thanks from the bottom of my heart to all of you for responding and for your incredible ideas and support and encouragement.
Going to light a candle for ALL of you and for the amazing people you each are. May your days be more tolerable and more joyful as well!!!!
Hugs,
Donna G. . . . ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call them FRIENDS......
Nann Bell - 29 Mar 2007 16:58 GMT > Yup - regularly. Then I pick myself up and dust myself off. Donna - I have > pity parties but unlike what some people do I schedule them. I know they > are coming (yesterday was one). I make sure I have nothing happening that > day - cry if I need to, sleep, stay in pajamas and generally feel sorry for > myself. heehee, I used to do much the same thing. Since the costochondritis hit though, I haven't been able to indulge in my periodic sob-my-eyes out therapy sessions. I really miss that. One good hour every week or two of letting it all out was such a help to me. Now sobbing hurts my ribcage too much. I'm having to go with other pity-party techniques, too many of which conflict with current dietary recommendations! LOL
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RhondaM - 27 Mar 2007 23:57 GMT YES.. when I was first dignosed I was working for a cardiologist and I took a lady back for her appointment and she had major deformities of her hands and feet. I was writing her info in her chart and saw that she was on the exact same mads as me so I glanced at her dignoses and it was RA. I went home that night crying all the way home, I was thinking will I look like that will my body do the same thing? My hands and feet are starting to curve and change shape (5years after dignoses). I think I will be ok I am not sure. My BP is getting harder to control and I do and collect water on my heart and lungs at times.. I take high power water pills to controll this on top of my bp meds that have a water pill in it. I am just not sure what the future holds for me so I am living everyday like it was my last. I never leave without letting my family klnow that I love them..we always say we love each other when we leave even if it is just to the store. I am going to live love and laugh to the best of my ability as long as I can and love every minute that I breathe. Donna that was a good honest question that you asked and it helped me to think a little more about this.
> I mean with all these diseases and such, and what they take from us, I > just wonder if any of you get just plain scared at times? Ever since [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > ANGELS EXIST, but some times, since they don't all have wings, we call > them FRIENDS......
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