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Harvey R. Stone - 11 Feb 2007 15:17 GMT The people that live up east and around the great lakes have 8 feet of snow and more on the way. People's houses are going to start caving in. The power for whole towns and areas could be lost. Enough of this global warming,,,,, they are having cool temps in Hawaii. Some of the lowest ever and they do not have any kind of heating systems there other than fire. IMO, it is more than we can understand. Russia is having the warmest temps they can remember. I just know that I can pray for the people I know are in a bad way and I also know that I have to say IF it be thy will Lord.
Harv
d'huit - 11 Feb 2007 17:11 GMT The people that live up east and around the great lakes have 8 feet of snow and more on the way. People's houses are going to start caving in. The power for whole towns and areas could be lost. Enough of this global warming,,,,, they are having cool temps in Hawaii. Some of the lowest ever and they do not have any kind of heating systems there other than fire. IMO, it is more than we can understand. Russia is having the warmest temps they can remember. I just know that I can pray for the people I know are in a bad way and I also know that I have to say IF it be thy will Lord.
Harv
((((((harv)))))) yes. it is a very rough winter for lots of folks around the world. and i think of them and their hardships often. winters like this is why i believe that linemen are one group of little noticed heros in our nation. in college, i used to know guys who boomed, as linemen, to different parts of the country to pay for their college fees. one of the guys i knew actually died doing this. sure, they get paid overtime, but they risk a lot working in these kinds of conditions to serve us.
people our age, who've been born and raised around the great lakes, or in snow country in general, know enough to get the snow shoveled or blown off their roofs when the snow load is too great. they get the word out. and i think the media there does, too. when butch was in high school in michigan and in high school in south lake tahoe, he made far more money shoveling off roofs than he did at any "regular job" he could get. there are also businesses and people who are out of work that provide that service for a fee.
one of the sad facts about hawaii is that double wall construction with insulation hasn't been used until recently and only in the more expensive homes, because of the exorbitant costs of imported building materials. single wall construction offers poor shelter agains the cold.
i watch a documentary on this. i forget the exact date in fairly recent history that it occurred, but i believe it was at some point in the 1800s. there was a mini ice age on the east coast that lasted for about 20 years. starvation was the big issue back then, because of how it affected crop failure.
actually, we can and do understand the weather, much more than we ever did because of computer aids, consolidating and collating data and computer generated models. but we cannot control the weather. it is humbling to know that.
kate
Nann Bell - 12 Feb 2007 05:53 GMT > people our age, who've been born and raised around the great lakes, or in > snow country in general, know enough to get the snow shoveled or blown off > their roofs when the snow load is too great. The residentofis Oswego County, NY were saying on the news that they know it's time to rake their roofs when the doors start sticking. That's some major weight on the roofs! This much snow is not at all uncommon for them, what is odd is having it all happen in a week! And now you don't have to shovel roofs - they have snow rakes with extender handles to scrape it off.
They were saying the really hard hit folks are the road crews. Tehy're working 12-14 hour days trying to keep the roads open, then have to go home and try to clear their drives. I don't envy them - we've only had one winter when the snow piled so high we couldn't shovel more up there. It's rough when there's no where left to shift the snow to. (luckily we now know a couple of folks with plows who push it all back for us when it gets to be too much - and we aren't in the real snow belt of Michigan!)
> one of the sad facts about hawaii is that double wall construction with > insulation hasn't been used until recently and only in the more expensive > homes, because of the exorbitant costs of imported building materials. > single wall construction offers poor shelter agains the cold. it's true here too - the house we're in was built in the 50s. They have blown some insultaion into the attic and many of the windowss have storm windows, but its construction rules out adding insulation to the walls. You can feel the cold coming off the walls - and with only baseboard heat, they never really warm up. I sooooooo miss forced-air heat, even if it does dry out the air more.
> i watch a documentary on this. i forget the exact date in fairly recent > history that it occurred, but i believe it was at some point in the 1800s. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > kate
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Fire Chief - 12 Feb 2007 04:16 GMT Harv wrote:
> The people that live up east and around the great lakes have 8 feet of > snow and more on the way. Some of the best storm photos and stories are available here.
http://www.9wsyr.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=8adbcb60-ee6d-4c36-b85a-49 a90d13fb86
... The only good snow is Hank Snow.
Harvey R. Stone - 12 Feb 2007 14:47 GMT Thanks Chief,,,, I really enjoyed looking at those pictures. Mexico??? That had to be a town in NY or somewhere...
Harv
> Harv wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > ... The only good snow is Hank Snow. Carole - 12 Feb 2007 17:55 GMT It's the town of Mexico, NY :-))
> Thanks Chief,,,, I really enjoyed looking at those pictures. Mexico??? > That had to be a town in NY or somewhere... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> >>... The only good snow is Hank Snow. Harvey R. Stone - 12 Feb 2007 19:07 GMT LOLOL thanks,,,, I just have no idea what it is like to live out of a pantry for a couple of weeks or to drive a car with chains on the wheels and it is going to stay that way. Cold and me do not do well. All the insulation and double windows works just as well for cold as for hot. All that snow on my roof would cave my house right in. They have to build for that.............. I do feel better about all the people that are under this. I also realize the homeless people have left the area a long time ago. They do move south and that is OK. They could not be any worse than those that came from the big easy after the hurricane. So it goes. Harv
> It's the town of Mexico, NY :-)) > >> Thanks Chief,,,, I really enjoyed looking at those pictures. Mexico??? >> That had to be a town in NY or somewhere... >> >> Harv Carole - 13 Feb 2007 07:43 GMT I'm glad I'm out of NY, believe me! I heard on the news today that NY was expecting more snow, and while listening to the news I was enjoying my coffee on my balcony watching the ducks :)
Carole
> LOLOL thanks,,,, I just have no idea what it is like to live out of a > pantry for a couple of weeks or to drive a car with chains on the wheels and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>> >>>Harv Nanny - 14 Feb 2007 07:21 GMT Here in Ohio we're getting our first winter blast! We already have about 8 inches of snow, with winds causing much drifting. We also have a blizzard forecast for tonight. Guess I'll hibernate for a few days. Nanny
> I'm glad I'm out of NY, believe me! I heard on the news today that NY was > expecting more snow, and while listening to the news I was enjoying my [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>>> >>>>Harv GARY Z - 13 Feb 2007 13:54 GMT > LOLOL thanks,,,, I just have no idea what it is like to live out of a > pantry for a couple of weeks or to drive a car with chains on the wheels [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > goes. > Harv Having been raised on the western shores of Lake Michigan we had many occurrences of "lake effect" snows. Living on the eastern side of a major body of water is just asking for trouble when the storms blow over. GaryZ
Cindy - 12 Feb 2007 16:20 GMT Harv, I couldn't agree more... With this extreme weather that we are having...Kind of reminds you of the Movie ..."Day After Tomorrow" Of course...It isn't happening overnight like in the movie, but slowly...But...it is I believe...starting to speed up. And we will see more and more of it and it will be closer together... The movie/documentary that Al Gore did..."An Inconvenient Truth" is very informative...It is not just another "Alarmist" Shouting out the end of the world...But it shows concrete facts...and the facts are...WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING NOW....Our heads have been in the sand too long... Didn't mean to get on my soap box here, and I try never to discuss politics...I am not good at debating..and I respect other's beliefs... In God, Country and Way of life...But this is one cause that we need to stand up for...
And speaking of the movie...The Day After Tomorrow... Where they show most of the Northern Hemisphere being frozen...They don't show what happens...The day after the day after tomorrow...What happens to the world as far as how this world would survive such a catastrophe...
IN the mean time...Sending prayers for all those covered in Snow...And those that are having this extreme weather. I hadn't heard about Hawaii...I suppose when I win the Lottery...I will have to change where I am going to escape this extra cold winter we are having. Cindy
> The people that live up east and around the great lakes have 8 feet of > snow and more on the way. People's houses are going to start caving in. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Harv Harvey R. Stone - 12 Feb 2007 17:26 GMT > Harv, I couldn't agree more... > With this extreme weather that we are having...Kind of reminds you of the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > In God, Country and Way of life...But this is one cause that we need to > stand up for... No, no, it is a waste of time to debate when this is being pounded into your receptive brain. What you could be afraid of is that our sun is in a very active time period. We have absolutly no control of what takes place. To think that man has any effect on all this gives man way far too much importance in what is taking place. Harv
> And speaking of the movie...The Day After Tomorrow... > Where they show most of the Northern Hemisphere being frozen...They don't [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Harv
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