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Glucosamine by Jeffrey Dach M.D.
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keyboard - 21 Jan 2007 15:11 GMT Glucosamine and Chondroitin for Arthritis Pain by Jeffrey Dach M.D.
For an example of yet another distortion in the mass media regarding issues of health, drugs and medical care, look at the reports of the NIH GAIT study which examined nutritional supplements for arthritis pain. As usual, the media got the story wrong. Rather than being ineffective, as the media concluded about glucosamine and chondroitin for knee pain, the NIH GAIT study actually showed the opposite. What the study really showed is that in patients with moderate-to-severe knee-pain, the combination of the two supplements (glucosamine and chondroitin) was more effective than both Celebrex and a placebo. The glucosamine-chondroitin combination significantly reduced pain in 79 percent of those who received it. Celebrex significantly reduced pain in 69 percent of the recipients and the placebo in 54 percent.
The real conclusion is that regarding patients with moderate to severe knee pain, the less costly glucosamine and chondroitin combination is more effective than Celebrex. The media stories also fail to mention the fact that Glucosamine and Chondroitin have no adverse side effects while Celebrex causes gastric bleeding, ulceration and death. This is an important distinction. Celebrex is a NSAID pain pill. It has been estimated conservatively that 16,500 NSAID-related deaths occur among patients with rheumatoid arthritis or osteoarthritis every year in the United States.
There are many more examples of these blatant distortions and untruths which can be found in the book, "Overdosed America, the Broken Promise of American Medicine", by John Abramson, M.D. who teaches at Harvard Medical School. drdask drdoch drdach jeff dach
And another book you should read is "The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It", by Marcia Angell MD, former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine. In the meantime, you are invited to review more information about this topic on my web site at http://www.drdach.com/
Jeffrey Dach, M.D. is a board certified interventional radiologist with 25 years experience in the Memorial Healthcare System. He is also a member of the Board of the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine and practices Nutritional/Metabolic Medicine in Hollywood, Florida at 4700 Sheridan Street. His office phone is 954-983-1443 and web site: http://www.drdach.com/
Phil Rhodes - 21 Jan 2007 18:18 GMT Excellent post, keyboard. My own findings are as good. I took Motrin in large doses (up to 900 mg) for pain and swelling of arthritis, and unfortunately, took one pill at bedtime (which helped me wake up less painfully); only to find that it ate a hole in my stomach lining (preventing me from sleeping on my favorite side). When I began taking glucosamine/chondroitin/and sometime MSM in a big combo pill, the hole was mysteriously healed - I could tell because the gurgling stopped when I fell asleep on my 'favorite side'. I think it's good stuff.
> Glucosamine and Chondroitin for Arthritis Pain by Jeffrey Dach M.D. > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > Sheridan Street. His office phone is 954-983-1443 and web site: > http://www.drdach.com/ Fire Chief - 21 Jan 2007 20:27 GMT keyboard spewed forth this garbage in a dozen groups with:
> Jeffrey Dach, M.D. is a board certified QUACK Email address: keyboard@anonymousspeech.com
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keyboard - 21 Jan 2007 21:38 GMT If you put the word "glucosamine" into the search box above you will find 3,120 messages posted in alt.support.arthritis containing the word glucosamine. Many of these messages are from people who regularly take glucosamine for arthritis pain. There are 32,900 messages if you search the entire newsgroup. Many of these people say that they are obtaining relief with glucosamine and chondroitin for arthritis pain. If you tried glucosamine and are obtaining relief or not, please post a message in this thread describing your experience with it.
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Norman - 22 Jan 2007 01:42 GMT The other people posting about glucosimine are not advertising their office.
Advertising is not allowed on alt.support.arthritis.
You don't are about helping anyone, just about how money much you can make from their problems.
Fire Chief - 22 Jan 2007 03:12 GMT > If you put the word "glucosamine" into the search box above you > will find 3,120 messages posted in alt.support.arthritis containing the > word glucosamine. Many of these messages are from people who > regularly take glucosamine for arthritis pain. They regularly take glucosamine that they purchased at Costco, RIteAid, CVS, SavOn, etc.
They aren't trying to peddle some crap like certain shysters who pop in and out of ASA with their philter like the medicine men of the wild west.
... Spammers are just a pothole on the information superhighway.
Bud - 22 Jan 2007 17:24 GMT > ... Spammers are just a pothole on the information superhighway. How kind and discrete of you to just call them 'pot'holes. LOL!
Bud
Paul T. Holland - 22 Jan 2007 22:32 GMT better yet 'keyboard' [lololol]
aka Jeffrey Dach [it is your website after all],
From: keyboard - view profile Date: Thurs, Dec 21 2006 4:52 pm
> For a natural approach to osteoporosis >prevention and treatment without drugs, see my web site: why don't you stop thinking that you can 'anonymously' post upwards of 100 spam posts touting the bidniz?
some groups accept such, many - and this is one - do not. professionals that wish to participate here do so without any strings
Jeffrey Dach, MD 4700 Sheridan Suite T, Hollywood 954 983 1443
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> If you put the word "glucosamine" into the search box above you > will find 3,120 messages posted in alt.support.arthritis containing the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > keyboard Fire Chief - 23 Jan 2007 03:45 GMT > better yet 'keyboard' [lololol] > > aka Jeffrey Dach [it is your website after all], I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Rhodes was another of his aka's.
Phil Rhodes - 23 Jan 2007 20:51 GMT You're a f.cking retard.!!!
>> better yet 'keyboard' [lololol] >> >> aka Jeffrey Dach [it is your website after all], > > I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Rhodes was another of his aka's. Fire Chief - 23 Jan 2007 21:16 GMT > You're a f.cking retard.!!! Glad you were looking in a mirror when you wrote that.
... I like long walks, especially when they are taken on .. short piers by newsgrou spammers like Phil Rhodes.
Phil Rhodes - 23 Jan 2007 21:51 GMT I am the very model of a Newsgroup personality. I intersperse obscenity with tedious banality. Addresses I have plenty of, both genuine and ghosted too, On all the countless newsgroups that my drivel is cross-posted to. Your bandwidth I will fritter with my whining and my snivelling, And you're the one who pays the bill, downloading all my drivelling. My enemies are numerous, and no-one would be blaming you For cracking my head open after I've been rudely flaming you.
I hate to lose an argument (by now I should be used to it). I wouldn't know a valid point if I was introduced to it. My learning is extensive but consists of mindless trivia, Designed to fan my ego, which is larger than Bolivia. The comments that I vomit forth, disguised as jest and drollery, Are really just an exercise in unremitting trollery. I say I'm frank and forthright, but that's merely lies and vanity, The gibberings of one who's at the limits of his sanity.
If only I could get a life, as many people tell me to; If only Mom could find a circus freak-show she could sell me to; If I go off to Zanzibar to paint the local scenery; If I lose all my fingers in a mishap with machinery; If I survive to twenty, which is somewhat problematical; If what I post was more mature, or slightly more grammatical; If I could learn to spell a bit, and maybe even punctuate; Would I still be the loathsome and objectionable punk you hate?
But while I have this tiresome urge to prance around and show my face, It simply isn't safe for normal people here in cyberspace. To stick me in Old Sparky and turn on the electricity Would be a fitting punishment for my egocentricity. I always have the last word; so, with uttermost finality, That's all from me, the model of a Newsgroup personality.
Paul T. Holland - 23 Jan 2007 23:21 GMT ya hadda bring that name up didya chief? lolol
and i see that you've already garnered a response...lol
> > better yet 'keyboard' [lololol] > > > > aka Jeffrey Dach [it is your website after all], > > I wouldn't be surprised if Phil Rhodes was another of his aka's. Desertphile - 25 Jan 2007 02:57 GMT > Glucosamine and Chondroitin for Arthritis Pain by Jeffrey Dach M.D. *WARNING!* "drdach" is not a medical doctor: he's a net.kook who desperately hopes to deceive people into buying his quack medical delusions. If one has medical issues, the last thing one wants to do is take advice from this net.nutcase
Paul T. Holland - 25 Jan 2007 19:41 GMT well, david [at least i think that's who wrote this post]
as much as i dislike spammers, and have even more dislike for those who use basic science to promote their unproven and far from the mainstream theories based upon those small facts,
your claim that he isn't an md is just plain incorrect.
true - he's off in the way beyond with his 'anti aging' stuff, and is doing so to rake in the bucks, but before he went this route, he was on staff of memorial hospital in fla for almost twenty five years...
as a radiologist mind you, not a researcher or chemical/biological specialist
but he is board certified, now in anti aging medicine...
still a spammer though...
> > Glucosamine and Chondroitin for Arthritis Pain by Jeffrey Dach M.D. > > *WARNING!* "drdach" is not a medical doctor: he's a net.kook who > desperately hopes to deceive people into buying his quack medical > delusions. If one has medical issues, the last thing one wants to do is > take advice from this net.nutcase Fire Chief - 25 Jan 2007 23:18 GMT On Jan 25, 11:41 am, "Paul T. Holland" <pholland@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
> true - he's off in the way beyond with his 'anti aging' stuff, and is doing > so to rake in the bucks, but before he went this route, he was on staff > of memorial hospital in fla for almost twenty five years... as a > radiologist mind you, not a researcher or chemical/biological specialist He never was on the staff of any hospital. He belongs to a private for-profit radiology group that services hospital (in more ways than one).
JEFFREY DACH, M.D. BOARD CERTIFIED DIAGNOSTIC & INTERVENTIONAL RADIOLOGIST 20 years experience in diagnostic radiology. 3901 N. 42nd Terrace, Hollywood, FL. 33021 954-983-1132 (fax) - 954-983-0121 (voice) - 954-875-8397 (beeper) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Dach is board certified in Diagnostic Radiology by the American Board of Radiology with added qualification in Vascular and Interventional Radiology.
Attending Radiologist with Radiology Associates of Hollywood, a private group practice consisting of 26 radiologists servicing Memorial Regional Hospital, Memorial Pembroke, Memorial West Hospital, Hollywood Diagnostic Center, Hallandale Outpatient Imaging, South Broward Outpatient Imaging, MRI of South Broward.
Fire Chief - 26 Jan 2007 00:52 GMT Practitioner Profile
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Fire Chief - 26 Jan 2007 00:57 GMT Practitioner Profile
JEFFREY LOVE DACH LICENSE NUMBER: ME36470 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Profession:Medical Doctor Year Began Practicing:1/1/1977 Expiration Date:1/31/2009 Status:CLEAR/ACTIVE
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Don Kirkman - 25 Jan 2007 21:37 GMT It seems to me I heard somewhere that Desertphile wrote in article <1169693870.372370.29210@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>:
>> Glucosamine and Chondroitin for Arthritis Pain by Jeffrey Dach M.D.
>*WARNING!* "drdach" is not a medical doctor: he's a net.kook who >desperately hopes to deceive people into buying his quack medical >delusions. If one has medical issues, the last thing one wants to do is >take advice from this net.nutcase JEFFREY LOVE DACH LICENSE NUMBER: ME36470
Profession MEDICAL DOCTOR
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License Expiration Date License Original Issue Date 1/31/2009 05/05/1980 http://ww2.doh.state.fl.us/irm00praes/PRASINDI.ASP?LicId=28599&ProfNBR=1501
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Fire Chief - 25 Jan 2007 05:26 GMT On Jan 21, 7:11 am, "keyboard" spewed this lie:
> Jeffrey Dach, M.D. is a board certified interventional radiologist with > 25 years experience in the Memorial Healthcare System. JEFFREY DACH, M.D. Attending Radiologist with Radiology Associates of Hollywood, a private group practice consisting of 26 radiologists
3901 N. 42nd Terrace, Hollywood, FL. 33021 954-983-1132 (fax) - 954-983-0121 (voice) - 954-875-8397 (beeper)
Jeffrey Dach M.D. 4700 Sheridan Suite T Hollywood, FL 33021 US Tel: 954-983-1443
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