I think I smell another spammer. Mercy, where *do* they come from?
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Joan

<crap snipped>

Great, another Australian con-man giving our great nation a bad
reputation. "Jeff", please go f.ck yourself, and you can keep the
details of the encounter to yourself.

Ari

jeff, jeff, jeff - you really are a slow learner aren't you spammer?

rule number one: spammers lie

remember how you got spanked here and over in the other froup? so now
you're a year older - but just as dumb...

well - guess we just have to let folks here know, once again, who you
are -

a commercial scamming, take their money, spammer/sockpuppet using/ lying
troll who got laughed at because he is a proven liar, and and now a
fool:

abuse@iinet.net.au
spam@uce.gov
groups-abuse@google.com

spammer jeff watkinson has on several occasions over the months posted
commercial product spam in violation of the usenet charter for:

misc.health.arthritis, alt.support.arthritis,  and also posted similar
spams in
other newsgroups. and then wants to argue about whether it's spam.

for a listing of his earlier usenet spam posts see:

http://tinyurl.com/equru

he  tried to 'scam' his way and lied:

"I logged on to www.itcanthurt.com and ordered their product called o2b
Gel."

'logged on'???  in fact he 'is'  the website being spammed:
http://www.itcanthurt.com/

Domain name: itcanthurt.com
 Administrative Contact:
   Graphics On Demand          mcmak2@gmail.com
   Hostmaster, Hostmaster
   5 Royal Parade
   Caulfield South, NA 3162
   AU
   +6195281940  Fax:
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Cab_Savvy <jeff@god.net.au>

Domain Name:             god.net.au
Last Modified:           11-Aug-2006 12:02:41 UTC
Registrar ID:            R00015-AR
Registrar Name:          NetRegistry
Status:                  OK
Registrant:              Jeff Watkinson
Registrant ID:           ABN 33271452514

"Jeff Watkinson @ Graphics On Demand"

'god.net.au' aka 'graphics on demand' aka 'itcanthurt.com' aka jeff
watkinson

he is also "Aloe"

http://tinyurl.com/outa2
or:

http://groups.google.com.au/group/alternative-natural-therapies/browse_thread/th
read/aaa9be9499b648d0/613a69c466e82b3e#613a69c466e82b3e

he  has tried to scam using sockpuppets, in more than one newsgroup, to
write to
himself as both  'aloe' and 'vera' with the addy of  
<naturally4good.com>

http://tinyurl.com/el7ps

Domain name: naturally4good.com
Administrative Contact:
   Graphics On Demand          mcmak2@gmail.com
   Hostmaster, Hostmaster
   5 Royal Parade
   South Caulfield, NA 3162
   AU
   61395281940  Fax

scamming...sock puppets...spamming...troll...all around typical putz.

but do have a nice day

paul

I agree with you.  He sure didn't sound like he's selling anything, by his
first post.  Nanny

Please see a specialist.  It could actually be an inflammatory arthritis -
even some osteo is inflammatory in nature and damage can be arrested with
dmards.  My husband's aunt was on mtx but they started it way too late which
was such a pity.  She did incredible small wood carvings but her hands were
so bad.  At 60 life is not over.

If nothing else can be done as far as traditional medication because of
allergies (and no not all arthritis meds are aspirin and ibuprofen) there
are things you can do.  Use ice, heat, set a timer for a very short period
and try your guitar after icing your hands.  If you can be pain free after
that short a time you can set the timer longer the next day.  Sometimes I
can do things for 2 short periods a day instead of 1 longer period.  Icing,
parafin wax treatments - experiment as to which is longer.

In the meantime also protect and preserve your joints.  You might try using
large grip tools, splints for your wrists if that is a problem, investigate
whether ring splints will help your fingers with an occupational therapist
after you find out which kind of arthritis from the rheumatologist.  Despite
what someone tried to tell the group very few rheumatologists really want to
see you in pain and really if they had a better solution to stop joint
damage rather than meds they would use it.  The idea is to stop joint
damage - many have tried all kinds of natural things without meds and joint
protection and have had joint damage.  Hand damage is hard to reverse easily
if at all.

The principles of joint protection are grip, leverage, larger muscle groups.
there are more I know but I am tired.  Use rubber to make grip easier - on
steering wheels, rubber grips to open jars, (jar openers are even easier),
rubber large grips on tools, cutlery, and knives (oxo tools are great - good
grips they are known as), leverage ie:  levered door knobs and handles, and
use larger muscle groups ie:  use palms to open things rather than fingers,
carry bags if you have to using arms instead of fingers and wrists ie:
paper bags not plastic - better yet a bag boy and at home a wheeled cart to
carry things from one room to the other.  When getting up from a chair use
larger cushions under you - higher chair and don't use your hands to push
yourself up - instead move to the front of the chair and lever yourself up
using your forearms (a physio will teach this)  Strengthen your quads -
those will help - exercise believe it or not works wonders - my 86 year old
father in law has learnt this lesson well.  He now attends fitness class
twice a week and lifts weights etc so he can stay in his home.  4 weeks away
from classes and he is weaker than a kitten and his knees hurt.  He admitted
today that I was right (and he is english and stubborn so that admission
hurt big time).

When getting out of a car, don't put your leg down and then turn your body.
Turn your whole body and then put down both legs at the same time (will save
your back too)

Hope these things will help things a bit.  It is work - I won't kid you but
they are things that will help to get the things you want back.  I have
experience with this.  Couldn't do without my meds but these things are the
little things that have helped me to continue quilting even through the past
year and a half when everything has gone wrong and I can barely walk or
type.  Don't forget that timer - it is important!

Keep your head up and a sense of humour too.  That will get you through.
Glad to see you hear - hope I didn't sound preachy but sounded helpful.  I
taught these things through the arthritis self management program - another
invaluable program done through the arthritis foundation.  If you can find
this in your community it is an incredible program and no you won't be the
youngest in your group - I was 37 when I got this disease.

kelly

Hey, we have another banjo player over on alt.med.fibromyalgia, LorieB.
Maybe you can learn how she copes over on that newsgroup.  Nanny

I believe the criticism was aimed at another poster following you, but
it was confusing.

Good for you in seeing the doctor.    Hope you can get back to playing
the instruments.

... I'm an accomplished musician.  I play the radio, records, tapes,
CD's.

gosh jeff - so you are not a spammer?

let's review just one of your statements:

"I logged on to www.itcanthurt.com and ordered their product called o2b
Gel."

it's 'your' website  - that makes you both a spammer, 'and' the lie
makes you a scammer...

how do you reconcile this denial with the clear record of commercial
posts, use of sockpuppets, and lying about your website that you have
employed over the past year?

now,  let me also post here in the 'group your email to me, with a few
comments form me to go along with:
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[he then goes on to re-post/list the 'oh so oft' posted personal
information that 'someone' continues to email to spammers/scammers]

email continues:

there it is - one more spammer venting their spleen and trying to lie
their way out of it

gosh but it is so predictable....