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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / December 2006Hot Pepper Rub
I just started reading this group, and would like to know if anyone has gotten any relief from joint pain by using that cream that's made from hot chili peppers. (capsaysin?) I also posted this to the misc.health.arthritis group. Thank you. Al, I don't know if this works on the same principle as a "method" used by the Chinese (I am Chinese, but I prefer to take little white pills prescribed by the doctor to relieve my pain). My mother used it, as did my grandmother. I saw them apply this method when I was a child, long ago. The thing that I remember is they never did the procedure themselves, they had a "professional" do it for them. This is how I saw it done -- the "professional" would use the Chinese tea cups (without handles, which you get in Chinese restaurants) and using rice wine (I think) as a lubricant, the woman would rhythmically scrape my mother/grandmother's back and behind her neck with the rim of the tea cup till the skin is raw. I'm not sure if particular attention to special pressure points in the back or not, but both my grandmother and mother swore by this method to relieve them of pain. Chilli hot peppers would really burn. So perhaps it works on the same principle, some other pain to distract from the unbearable pain the person is feeling? Just my two cents. :-) Good luck,  SignatureSanchona (author) sanchona@optusnet.com.au http://www.sanchona.com "A Family Of Strangers" ISBN: 1-59414-543-1 Published by Five Star/Thomson Gale Publishing > I just started reading this group, and would like to know if anyone has > gotten any relief from joint pain by using that cream that's made from > hot chili peppers. (capsaysin?) I also posted this to the > misc.health.arthritis group. Thank you. Rub with a cup until the skin is raw? I don't think so, Al. But then, I'm not Chinese. Nanny > Al, > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >> hot chili peppers. (capsaysin?) I also posted this to the >> misc.health.arthritis group. Thank you. Sanchona, read my response to al about chilis. I am always a little concerned when someone tells me they are taking a "chinese standard" as in (little white pill). I took a standard for 8 years (little black pill) as it relieved my RA significantly when nothing else helped. When my supplier got busted by the feds I had one analyzed and it contained 5 mg. of prednisone. The recommended dose was 6 a day. I only took 2 or 3, thank god. Those years of pred are now a major contribution to a variety of serious health problems that begin with "steroid-induced" including advanced osteoporosis. Im 55 and I got the bones of a 95 year old. Please be careful with the standards. If they do not require a script find out what the active ingredients are. If they work I would like to know. I still use 'traditional chinese medicine' as part of my protocol but it does not include any pre-packaged medicines. johnie > Al, > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > hot chili peppers. (capsaysin?) I also posted this to the > > misc.health.arthritis group. Thank you. Hi Johnie, Sorry if you misunderstood me. I am not advocating scraping anybody's back till they are raw -- I'm just putting forth a comparison -- of what my mother and grandmother had done for pain relief in the fifties, when I was a child. I would never go their way -- I prefer little pills (I cut my big pills to small fractions before I can swallow them) prescribed by the regular doctor! I just figured it had to be the pain from the scraping that covers their other pain and so they find relief of some sort. But then what do I know? I can't figure out how acupuncture works but it seems like some people go take a two-month course and set up business for themselves! Well, I can "excuse" my grandmother and mother for seeking Chinese traditional medicine, when "western" medicine "failed" them, but my friend who is in her forties, swear by Chinese traditional medicine. She boils her herbs with dead cockcroahes/snakes etc and drinks her "herbal tea" to cure her "ills". She consults her "herbal doctor" to get her prescriptions, and she swears by them. Her whole family does. Her grandfather was a famous herbal doctor in China. When I had a bad attack of sciatica some years ago, she got me a prescription -- I was in such desperate straits, I was ready to try anything. I saw pieces of dead snake in the prescription and forced myself to ignore that. But the black potion of "herbal tea" she boiled for me was hard to drink. After two doses, I refused to swallow any more. The sciatica eventually went away -- I don't know if it is just the natural course of events, the medicine or the "herbal tea" -- but I won't ever take that "herbal tea" again! But that's me. My friend still swears by it, supplements "western medicine" with it. In fact she is planning to write a cook book -- she is a great cook -- which would have recipes that would include herbs that would improve a person's health. I will be co-authoring (I cook great curries), and I shall make sure the recipes only have herbs. I'm fine with dried plants, roots, seeds etc. but no dead insects/reptiles or whatever! LOL Best, SignatureSanchona (author) sanchona@optusnet.com.au http://www.sanchona.com "A Family Of Strangers" ISBN: 1-59414-543-1 Published by Five Star/Thomson Gale Publishing > Sanchona, > read my response to al about chilis. I am always a little concerned > when someone tells me they are taking a "chinese standard" <snip> > Hi Johnie, > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > cut my big pills to small fractions before I can swallow them) > prescribed by the regular doctor! no, no i didn't misunderstand that part. What i misunderstood was where you are getting your little white pills. The phrase "little white pills" sounds like a Chinese standardized medicine as were the "little black pills" that I took for years that were laced with prednisone. I am still curious what you are taking for your arthritis pain and if it is working. I don't do snake heads>g< but I do use a variety of chinese herbs which have helped modulate my immune system for over 20 years. Hey happy holidays and congrats on the book. Read the chapter. sounds great. johnie > no, no i didn't misunderstand that part. What i misunderstood was where > you are getting your little white pills. For me, any pill is a little white pill -- If it is big I cut it into two or sometimes into four pieces. Pills just get stuck in my throat. They sometimes pop up again despite the full glass I drink to wash them down! The phrase "little white > pills" sounds like a Chinese standardized medicine as were the "little > black pills" that I took for years that were laced with prednisone. I don't take Chinese medicine of any kind. I have enough of the "Western" kind! I swear by "Western" medicine because I usually get relief from them. :-) I > am still curious what you are taking for your arthritis pain and if it > is working. I'm sorry if I've misled you. How I came to join this group was when I had a trigger finger on my right hand. I was alarmed because that finger (the middle finger on my right hand) behaved in such an extraordinary manner, and I had no control over it. I asked my friends and they said that was arthritis. So I searched out the newsgroups for support and found alt.support.arthritis. It was only after I consulted a doctor that I found that trigger finger is not arthritis. By this time, I had begun to learn a lot about arthritis from ASA, and I enjoyed the friendly atmosphere here. I mostly lurked, for I felt a bit of a fraud. Then one day I had a problem with my novel -- a card game scene, which made me approach Larry Rassmussen - I had read one of his posts where he said he ran a card game competition - for help. He was very supportive, and he became a friend. After he died, I sort of drifted away, though I popped in now and again to "keep in touch" by lurking some more. :-) When I needed an "audience" to share my excitement, I returned to this newsgroup again. No, I do not have arthritis, unless you count osteoarthritis as arthritis? I'm taking glucosamine and this has controlled the pain I have in my right knee. Three large capsules per day for 4 our months. I have since reduced it to 1 capsule a day. :-) > I don't do snake heads>g< I don't recommend it. LOL but I do use a variety of chinese herbs which > have helped modulate my immune system for over 20 years. I'm glad the herbs are helping. When my friend and I finally get down to writing our Herbal Cookbook, I'll be sure to let you know -- give you a peek at it, anyway. :-) Hey happy > holidays and congrats on the book. Read the chapter. sounds great. Thank you. I wish you a good holiday season, and a pain-free 2007!! Best, SignatureSanchona (author) sanchona@optusnet.com.au http://www.sanchona.com "A Family Of Strangers" ISBN: 1-59414-543-1 Published by Five Star/Thomson Gale Publishing > No, I do not have arthritis, unless you count osteoarthritis as > arthritis? I'm taking glucosamine and this has controlled the pain I > have in my right knee. Three large capsules per day for 4 our months. I > have since reduced it to 1 capsule a day. :-) > > Sanchona (author) Sounds like arthritis to me. osteo......arthritis.......yup! It's arthritis alright. I can also mention it can be a very dibilitating form for many. There are all levels of severity. I am very happy you have controlled your pain effectively without much intervention. I hope it stays that way for you forever. I know you were not denigrating osteoarthritis suffers as being something less than worthy so we don't need to go there. I am very happy you have found us again and will continue to stop by and share your experiences. GaryZ Sanchona, as Gary said, osteoarthritis is indeed arthritis. And it can be very painful and debilitating. I have had a hip replaced and a thumb joint replaced because of osteoarthritis. Have degenertive disc disease, and pain just about all over my body due to osteoarthritis. I'm glad glucosamine has controlled your knee pain, and I hope yours will never get any worse. Gwen >> No, I do not have arthritis, unless you count osteoarthritis as >> arthritis? I'm taking glucosamine and this has controlled the pain I [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > continue to stop by and share your experiences. > GaryZ Oh dear. I should have taken osteroarthritis more seriously. When I complained of pain in my knee, of the difficulty I had in getting up after squatting to the floor, my family doctor didn't think it was anything serious. He showed me how to get off the floor that would be less painful for me. I wanted some pills. He then said I could take glucosamine -- that I didn't need a prescription for that -- and told me to take 3 capsules a day. I saw him again in 3 months time (to manage my blood glucose level) the pain had lessen and after 6 months, the pain had gone away. He told me to reduce the dosage to one capsule a day. He didn't give me any indication that the pain was anything to worry about. Thanks Gwen, for the warning. :-) SignatureSanchona (author) sanchona@optusnet.com.au http://www.sanchona.com "A Family Of Strangers" ISBN: 1-59414-543-1 Published by Five Star/Thomson Gale Publishing > Sanchona, as Gary said, osteoarthritis is indeed arthritis. And it can be > very painful and debilitating. I have had a hip replaced and a thumb joint [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > continue to stop by and share your experiences. > > GaryZ Ah, I have arthritis. Thanks, Gary for this post. I do qualify to be a member of this group then! I guess Arthur has always been waiting to pounce on every one of us as we age. Like death and taxes, most of us are not going to escape it. :-( We can only hope for medical technology to provide us with complete relief from pain, sooner than later. I've been wondering if there are any studies done on athletes/sports people and dancers -- whether they suffer more or less than we "ordinary" people do as we age, whether all the hard work they put their muscles through, over the years, have helped or hurt them where Arthur is concerned? Anybody know? SignatureSanchona (author) sanchona@optusnet.com.au http://www.sanchona.com "A Family Of Strangers" ISBN: 1-59414-543-1 Published by Five Star/Thomson Gale Publishing > > No, I do not have arthritis, unless you count osteoarthritis as > > arthritis? I'm taking glucosamine and this has controlled the pain I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > have found us again and will continue to stop by and share your experiences. > GaryZ Al, plop Capsaicin into your search engine and you will find some interesting research. Most recent studies have found it to be beneficial for mild to moderate pain. The most intriquing research is its interaction with 'substance P'. By controlling 'substance P' we might get a handle on neuropathic pain and maybe even Fibromyalgia. Research..research...research is the key. johnie > I just started reading this group, and would like to know if anyone has > gotten any relief from joint pain by using that cream that's made from > hot chili peppers. (capsaysin?) I also posted this to the > misc.health.arthritis group. Thank you.
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