Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / December 2006
meditation and inflammatory response
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cyak@rivers.com - 29 Nov 2006 05:32 GMT From ACR:
Background: Increased rheumatoid arthritis (RA) disease activity has been correlated with increased patient psychological distress and blood inflammatory markers such as erythrocyte sedimentation rate (ESR), c-reactive protein (CRP) and interleukin(IL)-6. We have previously shown significant reductions in RA disease activity and psychological distress following participation in a mindfulness meditation training program (ACR/ARHP abstract #1968). Purpose: Here we evaluate impact on peripheral blood inflammatory markers in the same randomized, controlled pilot study. Methods: RA patients were randomized to meditation training called Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) or waitlist control. The intervention consisted of two-month MBSR course, followed by a maintenance program comprising three classes over four months. All participants were assessed at baseline (BL), two months (2M) and six months (6M) for RA disease activity using the Disease Activity Score-28 (DAS28) and for psychological outcomes. Blood samples from each visit were analyzed for ESR by Seditainer assay (Becton Dickinson) and CRP and IL-6 by two-antibody ELISA. Correlation between baseline inflammatory markers and DAS28 was assessed. The effect of the intervention was estimated by repeated measures mixed model with change in inflammatory marker as the dependent variable. Mean changes BL-2M reflect those following the MBSR course, while changes BL-6M indicate those after the course plus four-month maintenance program. Results: 63 participants were randomized, 31 MBSR and 32 control. Blood samples were available for 58 participants at BL, 55 at 2M and 54 at 6M. BL means (SD) in MBSR and control, respectively, for ESR in mm/hour were 22.8 (21.7) and 22.1 (16.7), for CRP mg/l were 5.7 (5.3) and 5.2 (4.8), and for IL-6 in pg/dl were 45.0 (84.3) and 24.5 (28.2), with no significant differences between groups. At baseline, ESR, CRP and IL-6 were significantly positively correlated. Baseline DAS28 was significantly positively correlated with ESR and IL-6 but not CRP. At BL-2M and BL-6M, respectively, ESR was reduced in the MBSR group [mean change (SE)] -5.0 (2.4) and -7.3 (2.7), while controls had mean increase 1.3 (1.9) and 2.4 (2.9), with both comparisons significant. CRP was reduced in the MBSR group more than in controls at 2M (p=0.20), with little difference at 6M (p=0.60). IL-6 was reduced in the MBSR group -13.0 (17.8) and increased among controls 10.2 (8.3) from BL-2M; similarly, IL-6 was decreased in MBSR -12.8 (15.9) and increased in controls 5.5 (5.7) from BL-6M, although comparisons in both periods were insignificant (p=0.24 and p=0.28). Conclusions: In a pilot study, participation in mindfulness meditation training was associated with significant reduction in ESR compared to control. Similar trends with IL-6 and CRP were seen but did not reach statistical significance. Further investigation is warranted.
GARY Z - 29 Nov 2006 12:12 GMT > From ACR: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > psychological distress following participation in a mindfulness > meditation training program (ACR/ARHP abstract #1968). Interesting you should bring this subject up. I have begun reading a couple of books (one at a time guys!) on the mindfulness meditation program developed at the Univ. of Massachusetts Medical Center by the Stress Reduction Clinic. Am still early with it, but it looks to be a very interesting program. I must say I had some preconceived notions that have been already dispelled about what "meditation" is and is not. It does look promising and I intend to pursue this for at least the 8 weeks it recommends. I keep you all posted as I have promised. If it really IS miraculous I should have a full head of hair again in a couple of months!! lol (just kidding) GaryZ
johnie - 29 Nov 2006 12:59 GMT 'Sitting' properly ain't easy so good luck there young man.>g< That back of yours may give you some grief so finding a posture that works might take some experimentation. I can't sit for more than 30 min. without locking up so my approach has always been a bit unorthodox but worth it. Report back in 3 years with your results...
johnie
> > From ACR: > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > couple of months!! lol (just kidding) > GaryZ Gary Z - 29 Nov 2006 14:22 GMT Don't know enough about it yet to know if sitting is mandatory or not. Apparently they have some sort of "body scan" that is done laying down. I think the problem with laying down for many is that they fall asleep in that position because of the relaxation that takes place. I've found I can fall asleep in about any position!! lol So any position I pick I'm going to have to make an effort to stay awake! They speak of incorporating yoga as a meditation process into the routine. Now that I think would or could cause me major issues with my back. I can see me stretching and holding and a half hour later being in a knot on the floor swearing I'll never do that again!! But we shall see. Need to keep an open mind with this process. I am hoping to be pleasantly surprised. GaryZ
> 'Sitting' properly ain't easy so good luck there young man.>g< That > back of yours may give you some grief so finding a posture that works [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > johnie Alex B., - 29 Nov 2006 15:41 GMT Hi Johnie,
> 'Sitting' properly ain't easy so good luck there young man.>g< That > back of yours may give you some grief so finding a posture that works [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > johnie Yoga postures aren't necessary to meditate with good results. :-) Any position that allows a person to relax is acceptable. I often enter a meditative state while walking along the banks of the Mississippi river or just sitting here in my recliner & petting my cat.:-)
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d'huit - 29 Nov 2006 22:10 GMT 'Sitting' properly ain't easy so good luck there young man.>g< That back of yours may give you some grief so finding a posture that works might take some experimentation. I can't sit for more than 30 min. without locking up so my approach has always been a bit unorthodox but worth it. Report back in 3 years with your results...
johnie
yo, johnie,
unorthodox for whom and by what measure or standard? i cannot sit for that long either and i do meditate, sometimes for an hour or more in one session (though 10 or 15 minutes is perfectly acceptable for a meditation, too). i've been practicing meditations of this kind for well over a decade.
one mustn't put oneself in a physically uncomfortable position during meditation. the whole point of meditation, especially for the beginner, is to focus and tame the "monkey-mind" (the constantly moving kalidescope of thoughts and feelings that don't stop, unless we tame them). one cannot do that if one's "monkey-mind" is distracted by, and focused on, being uncomfortable. in thai buddhist temples there are chairs provided for the elderly, injured or infirmed in the meditation rooms. there is also a walking meditation that is practiced at/by my son's temple.
for everyone's information, at my son's buddhist temple, the meditations have nothing whatsoever to do with religion or religious practice, even when a monk is leading the meditation. but philosophically, at his temple, meditations have everything to do with creating a sense of well-being and inner-harmony, by taming one's thoughts, through meditation. a beginner starts meditating while being encouraged to focus on his/her breathing, gradually increasing that focus by counting breaths. some who have practiced meditation for years, still simply choose/prefer to count evenly breathed breaths (to the hundreds or more).
kate
GARY Z wrote:
> <cyak@rivers.com> wrote in message > news:mo6qm2hq7a7aeqi1e0bius08i7eepf1h22@4ax.com... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > couple of months!! lol (just kidding) > GaryZ johnie - 30 Nov 2006 01:45 GMT > yo, johnie, > > unorthodox for whom and by what measure or standard? i cannot sit for that > long either and i do meditate, sometimes for an hour or more in one session > (though 10 or 15 minutes is perfectly acceptable for a meditation, too). > i've been practicing meditations of this kind for well over a decade. A local monk I know has used the "unorthodox" word but in a loving, gentle way.>g< Im good for an hour but like alex I can reach very rewarding states of mind using a variety of postures. Sitting in the front of a sailplane being one of my favorite. Do you consider that "unorthodox?>bg<
> one mustn't put oneself in a physically uncomfortable position during > meditation. the whole point of meditation, especially for the beginner, is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > elderly, injured or infirmed in the meditation rooms. there is also a > walking meditation that is practiced at/by my son's temple. I love the walking and can go once a month as a guest at a friends group but my feet don't always cooperate these days. Damned ol' RA.
> for everyone's information, at my son's buddhist temple, the meditations > have nothing whatsoever to do with religion or religious practice, even when [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > practiced meditation for years, still simply choose/prefer to count evenly > breathed breaths (to the hundreds or more). I started in 1973 and have strayed a few times, a year or so at a time but I have logged a few hours and I still breath count and I still consider myself a beginner. As an aside, I was first taught by a TMer. Remember those folks?
I have no doubts that it has slowed the progression of my RA.
johnie
Diane - 30 Nov 2006 02:31 GMT i was originally taught by a TMer, too, johnie. 1968. i got my mantra which i was never supposed to tell a soul. i figured that was because they gave the same one to each person and didn't want us to know. anyhow, i never paid my full $75, so i guess that's why it didn't take. lol.
however i got into mindful meditation while living in virginia. my unitarian church had a mindfulness center attached to it. both cushions and chairs were provided; i used the chairs. the sitting meditation was simply based on this thought: "when i'm breathing in, i know that i'm breathing in; when i'm breathing out, i know that i'm breathing out." that's still what i use when i meditate now, but i don't do it nearly enough or regularly anymore. this study inspires me to get back to it. thanks for posting.
johnie - 30 Nov 2006 04:18 GMT > i was originally taught by a TMer, too, johnie. 1968. i got my mantra > which i was never supposed to tell a soul. i figured that was because > they gave the same one to each person and didn't want us to know. > anyhow, i never paid my full $75, so i guess that's why it didn't take. > lol. ok,ok>bg< spit it out. its okay to tell now. Being unofficial I made up a breath sound. The interesting part for me was I learned with a white sheet over my head. We would sit in the sunlight so a bright white light was what you saw and felt even with your eyes closed. He said it helped you reach a stage of overwhelming white light which was one of his goals. In the early seventies I always had a little blotter of something laying around if I needed to see some white light.>g<
> however i got into mindful meditation while living in virginia. my > unitarian church had a mindfulness center attached to it. both cushions [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > enough or regularly anymore. this study inspires me to get back to it. > thanks for posting. I hope you do get back to it. I think it has gotten more useful as I have grown older. Boy, the Unitarian church has always been special. I like the 'thought'.
johnie
d'huit - 30 Nov 2006 02:31 GMT d'huit wrote:
> yo, johnie, <gentle snip> A local monk I know has used the "unorthodox" word but in a loving, gentle way.>g<
**thanks for explaining that to me, johnie. i was wondering why you used that word, because it tends to mislead people about the importance of positions. so, it was kind of like an "in joke" where you had to be there.<smile> i worried about positions shortly after my car wreck, having once been able to meditate en lotus immediately during very early training and no longer being able to post-wreck, until i was informed by my yoga teacher that lotus position was originally created for comfort (for some, but certainly not all). and he told me that formal position was not the most important, comfortable position is.
Im good for an hour but like alex I can reach very rewarding states of mind using a variety of postures. Sitting in the front of a sailplane being one of my favorite. Do you consider that "unorthodox?>bg<
***that's neat and good. i use lots of postures too. nope, not unothodox to me. i often meditate while watching one of my cats sleep in front of me on my bed and have also been known to meditate watching birds, or ocean waves or lake ripples or a fishing line or the spin of a hamster wheel.<g> i knew a guy who meditated while sitting facing the stucco wall in his rec room, which i thought was unusual at the time, but certainly could understand his need for no visual distractions.
<snip> I love the walking and can go once a month as a guest at a friends group but my feet don't always cooperate these days. Damned ol' RA.
**((((((((((johnie))))))))) i know how that feels, even though i don't have ra.
<snip> I started in 1973 and have strayed a few times, a year or so at a time but I have logged a few hours and I still breath count and I still consider myself a beginner. As an aside, I was first taught by a TMer. Remember those folks?
**i actually started yoga in college. but i don't really consider that my serious beginnings because the car wreck interrupted my early training and college, though i think the little i knew helped some while i was in the hospital. about '83 was when i began anew, but didn't add the buddhist dimensions until about ten years after that. no. i'm not buddhist, but i like buddhist philosophy and humor.<smile>
I have no doubts that it has slowed the progression of my RA.
***i can easily believe that, johnie. that's a wonderful benefit. i know that if i couldn't have meditated in the tub, i wouldn't have been able to restore my knee function, to my doctor's surprise, and against his prognosis. i still meditate whenever i'm in a bathtub or hottub.
johnie
johnie - 01 Dec 2006 03:21 GMT > no. i'm not buddhist, but i like buddhist philosophy and humor.<smile> A zen student walks up to a hot dog vendor and says, "Make me one with everything.">g<
johnie
d'huit - 01 Dec 2006 03:56 GMT LOL! good one. not exactly what i meant, but very funny nonetheless.<big grin> i'm not meaning zen, though.
but if you enjoy zen humor, read, "zen speaks--shouts of nothingness" by tsai chih chung, translated by brian bruya. it is actually kind of a zen comic book.
i had the opportunity to sit and discuss the world in general, with the seniormost buddhist monk (i'm terrible with names and titles), at alex's temple, a few years back. very intelligent man, who sees a great deal of humor in the world. very quick wit, with a killer pragmatic sense of humor. alex also took me, about a year ago, to listen to a monk (who had a doctorate in astrophysics from cambridge) visiting from australia. now, that man could easily have been a stand up comedian. we had an opportunity to talk to him for about an hour (after his lecture on his experiences in thailand and australia). i left there with aching laugh-muscles. so fun!
kate
d'huit wrote:
> no. i'm not buddhist, but i like buddhist philosophy and humor.<smile> A zen student walks up to a hot dog vendor and says, "Make me one with everything.">g<
johnie
Harvey R. Stone - 01 Dec 2006 14:22 GMT > LOL! good one. not exactly what i meant, but very funny nonetheless.<big > grin> i'm not meaning zen, though. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > kate Like you,,,, I love those kind of people and that kind of humor and to be honest,,, some of it goes Zzzing but you knew it would. LOLOL Those people are very rare and truly the smartest people in the room. harv
Diane - 30 Nov 2006 02:31 GMT i was originally taught by a TMer, too, johnie. 1968. i got my mantra which i was never supposed to tell a soul. i figured that was because they gave the same one to each person and didn't want us to know. anyhow, i never paid my full $75, so i guess that's why it didn't take. lol.
however i got into mindful meditation while living in virginia. my unitarian church had a mindfulness center attached to it. both cushions and chairs were provided; i used the chairs. the sitting meditation was simply based on this thought: "when i'm breathing in, i know that i'm breathing in; when i'm breathing out, i know that i'm breathing out." that's still what i use when i meditate now, but i don't do it nearly enough or regularly anymore. this study inspires me to get back to it. thanks for posting.
d'huit - 30 Nov 2006 05:57 GMT i was originally taught by a TMer, too, johnie. 1968. i got my mantra which i was never supposed to tell a soul. i figured that was because they gave the same one to each person and didn't want us to know. anyhow, i never paid my full $75, so i guess that's why it didn't take. lol.
you just jogged my memory, diane. now i remember. i wanted to do transcendental meditation, back when i was in college. but i was always too broke.
my young biology prof used to invite her students to her home, in the santa cruz mountains, twice a week, to teach us yoga poses and stretches and mindful meditations. she was my first yoga teacher (i don't think we ever called her master). and that was something i could afford---cuz it was FREE.<smile> i just now remembered--she was a year younger than i was, when i was her student.LOL funny, i can remember exactly what she looked like and her voice, but i can't remember her name.
kate
however i got into mindful meditation while living in virginia. my unitarian church had a mindfulness center attached to it. both cushions and chairs were provided; i used the chairs. the sitting meditation was simply based on this thought: "when i'm breathing in, i know that i'm breathing in; when i'm breathing out, i know that i'm breathing out." that's still what i use when i meditate now, but i don't do it nearly enough or regularly anymore. this study inspires me to get back to it. thanks for posting.
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