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Numbness after Reaching high to clean leaves from gutter

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thompsde@sbcglobal.net - 09 Nov 2006 15:09 GMT
Hello,

A few days ago as I was cleaning leaves from the guttering of my house,
I decided to not get out a real ladder and just use a chair. My reach
barely allowed me to grab at all the leaves and throw them out. I was
able to do this by standing on my toes, and it took me maybe 5 minutes
to finish, but all during that time I was stretching out my body.

After a day or two, I woke up one morning and found that I had a little
numbness on the palm of my left hand, my left chest, some of my left
thigh, and some down in my left toes. I can still sense heat, cold,
light touches, scratching, and pain, although there is some sensory
loss. I have a pain in my shoulder that only occurs when I move my left
arm like when turning a steering wheel or reaching for something.

I just recently saw a nurse practitioner about these issues, and he
told me it would most likely clear up on its own. He wanted to do an
X-Ray, which I cannot afford and have no health insurance. He
prescribed pain meds and anti-inflammatory meds, which I haven't
purchased, hoping this will in fact clear up on its own.

I spend alot of time on my computer and don't get much exercise, but I
do eat healthy and am at my normal weight, maybe a little under in
fact. My posture is also not that great, and I've experienced carpal
tunnel off and on the last few years, especially when the seasons
change.

So, I was hoping to hear from anyone with any knowledge who doesn't
want to charge me for 5 minutes of talk about my numbness. Should I
seek a second opinion or just wait to see if I get full sensation back.
Like I mentioned, this happened after stretching in an uncomfortable
position for a few minutes, and a day or so later I have numbness. I
can still walk and stand on one leg to put my socks on, jump, jog a
little (within reason for someone out of shape), and do everyday normal
activities.

Does anyone have any suggestions? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.
Fire Chief - 09 Nov 2006 16:04 GMT
> I was able to do this by standing on my toes, and it took me maybe 5
> minutes to finish, but all during that time I was stretching out my body.

> I spend alot of time on my computer and don't get much exercise,
> My posture is also not that great,

> Does anyone have any suggestions? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

I think you answered your own question.  <g>

The body is responding to issues it isn't familar with.  Perhaps
telling you, "Straighten up your act (and posture), or I'll do it
again."

You didn't mention how long you sit at the keyboard without
a break.  Should never be more than 2 hours, and idealy not
longer than 1 hour.  Get up, go outside, walk around the house
(or around the block), then go back to the keyboard.  You don't
need (perhaps don't want) a regimental program at a gym, but
you should start a program on your own.

... Life is too important to take seriously.
Harvey R. Stone - 09 Nov 2006 16:44 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> Does anyone have any suggestions? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

Hi,,, Welcome,,,,   You have put some pressure on some nerves or bundles of
nerves.
You may have some swelling around same.   If your nurse has given you
anti-inflam stuff,,,,,, it is reduce the swelling,,,, pressure on nerves,,,,
ect, ect ,,,,, which you have not even purchased.   What good would another
appointment do with someone else???
None if you will not help yourself.... Rest,,, recover,,,, we hope and come
back and tell us about it.
Harv
spodosaurus - 09 Nov 2006 17:37 GMT
> Hello,
>
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>
> Does anyone have any suggestions? Any help is appreciated. Thanks.

As long as it's not a stroke, you may wait and see I guess...but the
fact that your LEG is affected makes me worry about something pressing
on the spine itself within your neck (or a small stroke). An XRAY
wouldn't show a disc or other protrusion into the spinal canal, and an
MRI is much much more expensive.

Ari

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thompsde@sbcglobal.net - 09 Nov 2006 18:42 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions. I did break down and go get my
prescriptions, but I always would rather not take medicine for any
reason. Yes I had considered a possible stroke. Actually when I first
noticed the numbness that was the first thing I thought. However, I am
28 years old and otherwise in relatively good health, and I personally
think I have a decent enough diet. I have cut out most fast food for
over a year now (avoid McDonald's especially). So I am hoping this is
nothing more than swelling near a nerve or nerve bundle as was
mentioned by another responder. I still have some feeling in all my
areas that are experiencing loss of sensation as I mentioned, and I
have no loss of motor control. In fact I feel rather well which makes
this even more odd to me. I just took some ibuprofen for the swelling,
so I'm going to wait to see if that does anything. I'm not a real
believer in modern medicine honestly.

Ok thanks again for all the suggestions and help as they are greatly
appreciated.
spodosaurus - 09 Nov 2006 19:12 GMT
> Thanks for the suggestions. I did break down and go get my
> prescriptions, but I always would rather not take medicine for any
> reason. Yes I had considered a possible stroke. Actually when I first
> noticed the numbness that was the first thing I thought. However, I am
> 28 years old

I had my first total hip replacement at 25...so I'm going to be a bit
blunt in the rest of this post. If not for your sake, for someone who
does a google search for these symptoms, finds this post, and really
needs medical attention and shouldn't be wondering about going to the
doctor or not.

> and otherwise in relatively good health,

It's always 'otherwise in relaitvely good health' until it isn't
anymore. Have you been having a yearly physical with bloodwork?

> and I personally
> think I have a decent enough diet. I have cut out most fast food for
> over a year now (avoid McDonald's especially).

If there's something predisposing you to having a cerebro-vascular
event, you wouldn't know about it until you start getting symptoms. Not
eating fast food isn't really going to impact that unless your sodium
sensitive to blood pressure (VERY few actually are) and even then, it
may not matter.

> So I am hoping this is
> nothing more than swelling near a nerve or nerve bundle as was
> mentioned by another responder.

So am I, but if it doesn't get better, gets worse, or recurs...see a doctor.

> I still have some feeling in all my
> areas that are experiencing loss of sensation as I mentioned, and I
> have no loss of motor control.

Motor and sensory areas are segregated in the brain and in the spine. A
small stroke (seems unlikely in this case), or particularly some
pressure on the spine within the spinal canal in the neck, could affect
one system and not the other.

> In fact I feel rather well which makes
> this even more odd to me. I just took some ibuprofen for the swelling,
> so I'm going to wait to see if that does anything. I'm not a real
> believer in modern medicine honestly.

But when you were really worried, you didn't go to a faith healer you
went and sought modern medicine. By all means, invent a time machine and
go back and make sure you're never vaccinated and never given
antibiotics. The fact that people are still letting their kids die
of/get permanently damaged by measles and other preventable diseases in
western nations rather than making sure they get vaccinated really sh.ts 
me off to no end.

> Ok thanks again for all the suggestions and help as they are greatly
> appreciated.

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thompsde@sbcglobal.net - 09 Nov 2006 19:39 GMT
> thomp...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > Thanks for the suggestions. I did break down and go get my
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> > and otherwise in relatively good health,It's always 'otherwise in relaitvely good health' until it isn't
> anymore. Have you been having a yearly physical with bloodwork?

Yes my blood was normal back in February of this year. Yearly physical,
no. Every 3 years for a PPC licence.

> > and I personally
> > think I have a decent enough diet. I have cut out most fast food for
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> sensitive to blood pressure (VERY few actually are) and even then, it
> may not matter.

My stating this was in effect to impart that I do try to watch what I
eat, namely high fat/trans/saturated foods, which lead to clogged
arteries. My father had a heart attack due to improper diet, so I am
not going to cognitively ignore that fact and order a Bic Mac now.

> > So I am hoping this is
> > nothing more than swelling near a nerve or nerve bundle as was
> > mentioned by another responder.So am I, but if it doesn't get better, gets worse, or recurs...see a doctor.

Yes I do plan to visit the doctor again if this doesn't improve soon,
and most likely a more experienced one.

> > I still have some feeling in all my
> > areas that are experiencing loss of sensation as I mentioned, and I
> > have no loss of motor control.Motor and sensory areas are segregated in the brain and in the spine. A
> small stroke (seems unlikely in this case), or particularly some
> pressure on the spine within the spinal canal in the neck, could affect
> one system and not the other.

Pressure on my neck, most likely. Left shoulder area is innerly sore.

> > In fact I feel rather well which makes
> > this even more odd to me. I just took some ibuprofen for the swelling,
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> western nations rather than making sure they get vaccinated really sh.ts
> me off to no end.

I didn't say I believed in faith healing. What I do believe in is
trying to let the human body heal itself if at all possible. There are
very many people today who are overmedicated, and I do hope that I
never get stuck in a situation like that. Vaccinations for children is
a very good idea and somewhat hard to draw from my statement that I
don't support it. Heal thyself if at all possible, and if not, seek the
help of a doctor.

Thanks for your comments.

> > Ok thanks again for all the suggestions and help as they are greatly
> > appreciated.--
> spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
> Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please
> volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:http://www.abmdr.org.au/http://www.marrow.org/
Fire Chief - 09 Nov 2006 19:50 GMT
> Yes I had considered a possible stroke. Actually when I first noticed
> the numbness that was the first thing I thought. However, I am 28
> years old and otherwise in relatively good health,

16-. 18, 20-year-old athletes who collapse and die on the
playing field also think they are in relatively good health.

Marine recruites who collapse and die on a hike think they
are in relatively good health.

The 28-year-old lady with 3 total joint replacements whom I met
10 years ago probably was otherwise in relatively good shape.

... If women like it, it's Erotica.  If men like it, it's Pornography.
thompsde@sbcglobal.net - 09 Nov 2006 20:25 GMT
"Relatively good health" as per a doctor's physical and recent
bloodwork. Nothing much else to go by other than "how one feels" and
"how tests say one should be feeling." But the point is taken. John
Ritter would agree with you too.

> thomp...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > Yes I had considered a possible stroke. Actually when I first noticed
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>
> ... If women like it, it's Erotica.  If men like it, it's Pornography.
Nann Bell - 12 Nov 2006 15:19 GMT
Hi - sorry to come into this late - we've had phone issues around here lately
and we're on dial-up (and I was exhausted after fretting through a squeaker
of a Gator game yesterday, but I digress...)

If you can swing it, you might try getting a massage to help out.  They can
be really good at releasing muscle tension, of course, but also are good for
the circulation and reducing swelling.  It might really speed up your
recovery from this.  From what you say, a half hour focusing on the back and
shoulders might do a lot for you.  I've been helped a lot with such issues by
massage over the years.   Just find a good, legitimate (!) massage therapist.

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> Thanks for the suggestions. I did break down and go get my
> prescriptions, but I always would rather not take medicine for any
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> Ok thanks again for all the suggestions and help as they are greatly
> appreciated.
Nanny - 13 Nov 2006 01:34 GMT
Know what you mean, Nann.  I have a good massage therapist and I love those
hours with her twice a month.  Unfortunately, our insurance doesn't pay, so
I budget it in because it's so nice to just relax and enjoy the hands on
attention.  Have you tried the hot stones yet?  Ever since I tried them, I
can't go back to just a regular massage ;-)  Doesn't hurt to spoil ourselves
once in a while.  Nanny
> Hi - sorry to come into this late - we've had phone issues around here
> lately
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>> Ok thanks again for all the suggestions and help as they are greatly
>> appreciated.
d'huit - 13 Nov 2006 06:26 GMT
aha!  i knew there was another reason i liked you, nanny!  you sound almost
as hedonistic about massages as i am.<smile>  have you tried a warm aqua
massage machine yet?  or watsu(sp?) water massage therapy?  i soooo love
massages.  spoil me, spoil me and i won't complain a bit.

kate

Know what you mean, Nann.  I have a good massage therapist and I love those
hours with her twice a month.  Unfortunately, our insurance doesn't pay, so
I budget it in because it's so nice to just relax and enjoy the hands on
attention.  Have you tried the hot stones yet?  Ever since I tried them, I
can't go back to just a regular massage ;-)  Doesn't hurt to spoil ourselves
once in a while.  Nanny
> Hi - sorry to come into this late - we've had phone issues around here
> lately
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>> Ok thanks again for all the suggestions and help as they are greatly
>> appreciated.
Nann Bell - 13 Nov 2006 16:54 GMT
> Know what you mean, Nann.  I have a good massage therapist and I love those
> hours with her twice a month.  Unfortunately, our insurance doesn't pay, so
> I budget it in because it's so nice to just relax and enjoy the hands on
> attention.  Have you tried the hot stones yet?  Ever since I tried them, I
> can't go back to just a regular massage ;-)  Doesn't hurt to spoil ourselves
> once in a while.  Nanny

how true!  Half of my massage ws paid by a surprise birthday check I got last
summer.  I decided what to do with it back in August, but it took me 3 months
to find the time for an hour massage!  (and I was hoping the leg muscles
would get better and I could use the money on 2 1/2 hour back sessions
instead).

Now you have me thinking about the hot stones......  I may have to start
going more often - make it part of the "entertainment" budget I'm allowed,
but have never used up.

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thompsde@sbcglobal.net - 09 Nov 2006 18:42 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions. I did break down and go get my
prescriptions, but I always would rather not take medicine for any
reason. Yes I had considered a possible stroke. Actually when I first
noticed the numbness that was the first thing I thought. However, I am
28 years old and otherwise in relatively good health, and I personally
think I have a decent enough diet. I have cut out most fast food for
over a year now (avoid McDonald's especially). So I am hoping this is
nothing more than swelling near a nerve or nerve bundle as was
mentioned by another responder. I still have some feeling in all my
areas that are experiencing loss of sensation as I mentioned, and I
have no loss of motor control. In fact I feel rather well which makes
this even more odd to me. I just took some ibuprofen for the swelling,
so I'm going to wait to see if that does anything. I'm not a real
believer in modern medicine honestly.

Ok thanks again for all the suggestions and help as they are greatly
appreciated.
thompsde@sbcglobal.net - 09 Nov 2006 18:43 GMT
Thanks for the suggestions. I did break down and go get my
prescriptions, but I always would rather not take medicine for any
reason. Yes I had considered a possible stroke. Actually when I first
noticed the numbness that was the first thing I thought. However, I am
28 years old and otherwise in relatively good health, and I personally
think I have a decent enough diet. I have cut out most fast food for
over a year now (avoid McDonald's especially). So I am hoping this is
nothing more than swelling near a nerve or nerve bundle as was
mentioned by another responder. I still have some feeling in all my
areas that are experiencing loss of sensation as I mentioned, and I
have no loss of motor control. In fact I feel rather well which makes
this even more odd to me. I just took some ibuprofen for the swelling,
so I'm going to wait to see if that does anything. I'm not a real
believer in modern medicine honestly.

Ok thanks again for all the suggestions and help as they are greatly
appreciated.
 
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