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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / November 2006IRON OVERLOAD - THE MISSED DIAGNOSIS
http://www.consumerhealth.org/articles/display.cfm?ID=19990303140150 <<snip>> The most common symptom of iron overload is a fatigue that is disabling <<snip>> <<snip>> Arthritis caused by iron is common in anywhere from 35 to 60% of people who have arthritis, <<snip>> <<snip>> And the most common endocrine manifestation is diabetes. <<snip>> Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk From the article: "His article, Hemochromatosis or Iron Overload - the Neglected Diagnosis was a scathing attack on the medical profession for ignoring excess iron in the body. Physicians were more interested in anaemias and low iron deficiency and did not really perform the necessary tests of iron metabolism to diagnose the opposite end of the spectrum - iron overload." This sets the context of his remarks, iron overload far in excess of normal levels because of a genetic disorder, not from usual consumption of iron bearing foods in the average diet. The small snips in the original post give a grossly distorted impression. > From the article: Or you could killfile him and not have to see them...except when someone quotes... ;-( Bud From the article: "His article, Hemochromatosis or Iron Overload - the Neglected Diagnosis was a scathing attack on the medical profession for ignoring excess iron in the body. Physicians were more interested in anaemias and low iron deficiency and did not really perform the necessary tests of iron metabolism to diagnose the opposite end of the spectrum - iron overload." This sets the context of his remarks, iron overload far in excess of normal levels because of a genetic disorder, not from usual consumption of iron bearing foods in the average diet. The small snips in the original post give a grossly distorted impression. well, of course the snips do, calvin. how could anyone support and promote a spurious cause, which is for him an obsession, unless that person disregards and distorts the facts?! rusty rump's brain is chock full of i**n overload! there isn't any room in it for facts that don't point to the conclusions he "needs" to see and wants others to see. anything that contradicts his obsession, is invalid to him. kate >>calvin27@world.com wrote: iron overload far in excess of normal levels because of a genetic disorder, not from usual consumption of iron bearing foods in the average diet. << A transferrin index of over .. over .. over .. o-v-e-r .. "greater than / > 55% can be a very useful indication of possible iron overload" .. Now .. you believe that a marker of 31% - 37% is indicative of .. iron overload .. do ya .. calvin .. Now WHY would you be attempting to tell people that the normal marker 31% - 37% .. mentioned above .. IS .. iron overload .. when in FACT .. 'they' consider it .. normal .. ? Are you just .. stupid .. ? .. or you are not above .. lying .. to sick .. people .. Take your .. pick .. you are a lying piece of crap with no regards for your fellow man .. or you are .. stupid .. You HAVE to pick .. one .. Heh .. heh .. http://www.ironpanel.org.au/AIS/AISdocs/adultdocs/Alaboratory.html <<snip>> Transferrin saturation As an index of iron transport rather than storage, this measure (calculated from serum iron and TIBC) is an alternative to serum ferritin. However, as it is affected by the same confounding factors it will not add much additional information in iron deficiency if a serum ferritin has already been ordered. A serum transferrin saturation of >55% can be a very useful indication of possible iron overload. On the other hand, if serum ferritin is elevated but transferrin saturation is low, the patient is unlikely to have iron overload. <<snip>> Either way .. calvin .. you are useless .. buddieee . Stay out of the medical newsgroups .. See reason .. above .. I'll snip it for stupid people .. "you are useless " Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk numbnuts tommy wrote: > Are you just .. stupid .. ? .. or you are not above .. lying .. to sick .. people .. No he isn't. YOU ARE, NUMBNUTZ. ... Somewhere in Canada, a village is missing its idiot. > numbnuts tommy wrote: > > Are you just .. stupid .. ? .. or you are not above .. lying .. to sick .. people .. No he isn't. YOU ARE, NUMBNUTZ. > > ... Somewhere in Canada, a village is missing its idiot. But the "delivery" of his lines. If you read a pause into each little 3 dot area, it's just like Bill Shatner in Star Trek (and David Caruso in CSI:Miami). SD (Annie) Numbnutz tommy wrote; > Are you just .. stupid .. ? .. or you are not above .. lying .. to sick .. people .. > Take your .. pick .. you are a lying piece of crap with no regards for > your fellow man .. or you are .. stupid .. > You HAVE to pick .. one .. > Heh .. heh .. Anyone else notice he was posting at hotmail, not aol-from-hell? Wonder if he forgot to pay his aol bill. <g> ... I need a pooper scooper for numbnuts tom's ramblings. > Anyone else notice he was posting at hotmail, not aol-from-hell? > > Wonder if he forgot to pay his aol bill. <g> > > ... I need a pooper scooper for numbnuts tom's ramblings. Yup, noticed *both* changeS: "teamtanner@hotmail.com" "teamtanner"? wtf... Maybe some big ol' bully stole his precious "i**njustice"...? Ginnie >^..^< _______________________ >"teamtanner"? wtf... > >Maybe some big ol' bully stole his precious "i**njustice"...? Ah, he must be a team player now, Ginnie. ROFLMAOTIME --- Joan ah chief, 'tis much simpler [unfortunately] started two days ago 207.200.116.132 = netscape.com NetRange: 207.200.64.0 - 207.200.127.255 CIDR: 207.200.64.0/18 NetName: NETSCAPE-CIDR netscape is owned by aol and the name is now = aol's cheaper [$6.95] dialup service a free hotmail addy - takes the heat off his real aol/netscape addy walking down memory lane, he is only looping back to his origins: tannert@my-deja.com, from years ago... > tannert@my-deja.com wrote: > > > > One thing I feel I must mention. Chickens who become vitamin E deficient > > get a disease known as 'crazy chick disease'. could certainly give rise to certain suppositions/comments could it not? > Numbnutz tommy wrote; > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > ... I need a pooper scooper for numbnuts tom's ramblings. aaaaannnnnd now he's back using 66.222.239.162/telus, with the aol addy - sigh > ah chief, 'tis much simpler [unfortunately] > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > ... I need a pooper scooper for numbnuts tom's ramblings. From the url numbnutz quoted: > PSYCHIATRIC DISORDERS > If the iron is not needed by the bone marrow to make new red cells, then it goes to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > confusional states, dizziness, mood disorders, and even ringing in the ears are > relatively common. NOW! We know what affects rusty pants. For all those who are new here... The author of the above post likes to flood newsgroups with (often useless) articles which he interprets (or misinterprets) in a manner to support his obsession with the "EVILS OF IRON". He gets very nasty when anyone points out his mistakes. There are times when I think he should be used as a bad example for anger management classes. He is also a religious bigot, though he has toned that down a bit. Numbnutz tommy lied when he wrote: > The most common symptom of iron overload is a fatigue that is disabling > Arthritis caused by iron is common in anywhere from 35 to 60% of people > who have arthritis, > And the most common endocrine manifestation is diabetes. IRON OVERLOAD Organ failure that results from excessive accumulation of iron in the body, USUALLY as a result of frequent transfusions or hemochromatosis. HEMOCHROMATOIS A genetic disease marked by excessive absorption and accumulation of iron in the body. The disease is caused by one of several recessive mutations that result in excessive absorption of iron from the GI tract. It is not caused by secondary iron overload, as may occur in patients who have received multiple transfusions or who have hemolytic anemia. SYN: bronze diabetes. Taber's CYCLOPEDIC MEDICAL DICTIONARY 19th EDITION ... Is there a statute of limitations on Tom's stupidity? > Taber's CYCLOPEDIC MEDICAL DICTIONARY 19th EDITION Hey... you're using facts. Don't be so unfair. Anja >>Anja Länge wrote:Hey... you're using facts. Don't be so unfair.<< I asked you about .. **non-transferrin bound iron** .. and you have no reply .. You say .. it .. doesn't .. even .. exist .. Facts .. ? Why don't you stay off my threads .. You have nothing to add .. You 'say' you do .. But when pressured .. you crumble like crappy cookies .. What good are ya .. You prance around diabetes lists for .. years .. acting like you .. 'know' .. something .. Buuut .. when the first sign of .. CALLING YOU ON YOUR BULLSHT .. what happens .. ? You run like a little .. pussy .. Next time .. admit to being .. ignorant .. Stand UP .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > >>Anja Länge wrote:Hey... > Why don't you stay off my threads .. You should keep your mouth shut until you learn to behave yourself like ay grown up. You should try to read the articles you post before doing so. So you won't have to make yourself ridiculous by not even knowing their content. But maybe you don't even want to know it because you simply don't understand what you're talking about? If you want to be taken seriously you could start be learning the principles of scientific work... or is it just a religious crusade you're at and has nothing to do with science? Maybe you should choose other newsgroups then... the alt.religious.* hierarchy might be the place. You can start with some apologies for your last lapses of behaviour. Then I might consider answering. Have a nice day. Anja >>Anja Länge wrote: dck<< YOU came onto my thread .. and said / questioned .. "FACTS" .. Now .. facts .. may not be IMPORTANT to the likes of yourself .. But .. me .. I work .. exclusively .. in .. facts .. YOU said .. free floating iron / non transferrin bound iron .. doesn't exist .. That is a .. false .. FACT .. Either .. you are .. right .. Or .. I .. am .. And since EVERY RESEARCHER IN THE WORLD .. agrees free floating / nontransferrin bound iron .. exists .. Buuut .. What happens .. ? YOU .. continue .. to .. attack .. I asked you nicely to stay off my .. threads .. Because .. ? You are useless .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > YOU came onto my thread .. Because you are misinterpreting the studies you posted. > But .. me .. I work .. exclusively .. in .. facts .. Which you are misrepresenting. > YOU said .. free floating iron / non transferrin bound iron .. > doesn't exist .. You are misdirecting of my words. You did this before when implying a wrong statement of insulin resistance and diabetes. Is that a form of dyslexia of yours of are you deliberately misdirecting my words? I expect an apologiy for that. Did you think no one would notice your? Your knowledge of usenet seems adaequat to that of medicine. > I asked you nicely to stay off my .. threads .. I will... if they don't misnterpret facts. If not I might want to indicate their ridiculousness. So it's up to you. It's quite simple... stop posting allogations and there is no need to correct your errors. > You are useless .. If that's your way of apologizing you might want to work on your technique. Anja > > YOU came onto my thread .. > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Anja Now this is the study you have such a problem .. with .. it seems .. http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org/cgi/content/full/52/5/1204 Pretty straight forward .. the researchers decided to see if low iron diet might be a good inclusion in the .. program .. It .. seems it .. is .. YOU .. can't seem to understand .. u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d .. the RESEARCHERS .. as opposed to dckhds on the web .. decided it .. "might be a good plan to include low iron diet" ... <<snip>> nearly doubled renal and overall survival rates <<snip>> Now YOU ... have a problem with their .. work .. their .. conclusions .. OF .." 40-50% more effective" ..? Keep it to yourself .. And attacking .. on the BASIS of .. 'your' .. take ON .. my 'understandings' .. ? Heh .. heh .. Read my lips and .. F .. O .. because as I've pointed out before .. you don't .. understand medical studies .. and if you DO .. then you are attempting .. by hook or by .. crook .. TO .. detract FROM .. **low iron diet** .. which **improves** therefore alleviates .. suffering .. Heh .. heh .. Stay away from me .. your regard for others might rub .. off .. <<snip>> Diabetic nephropathy has become the leading cause of uremia. Several lines of evidence suggest dietary factors other than protein intake have a substantial role in the progression of diabetic nephropathy to end-stage renal disease. The present investigation was initiated to evaluate whether a carbohydrate-restricted, low-iron-available, polyphenol-enriched (CR-LIPE) diet may delay and improve the outcome of diabetic nephropathy to a greater extent than standard protein restriction. To this aim, 191 diabetic patients, all with type 2 diabetes, were randomized to either CR-LIPE or standard protein restriction and the following outcomes monitored: doubling of serum creatinine, cumulative incidence of end-stage renal disease, and all cause mortality. Over a mean follow-up interval of 3.9 ± 1.8 years, serum creatinine concentration doubled in 19 patients on CR-LIPE (21%) and in 31 control subjects (39%) (P < 0.01). Renal replacement therapy or death occurred in 18 patients on CR-LIPE (20%) and in 31 control subjects (39%) (P < 0.01). These differences were independent from follow-up interval, sex, mean arterial blood pressure, HbA1c, initial renal dysfunction, and angiotensin system inhibitor use. In conclusion, CR-LIPE was 40-50% more effective than standard protein restriction in improving renal and overall survival rates. <<snip>> Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk We all take turns "jumping on your threads" (since you aren't available to jump on you in person) because we feel it necessary to warn people new to these groups that you are a very nasty, mean-spirited, abusive individual with an obsession about "THE DANGERS OF IRON" who slanders anyone who disagrees with your diatribes and your doctrine. Occasionally you do find something useful, which you generally misunderstand. That may be why you post snippets; you probably don't understand the parts which are in between. Also, be advised that you don't own these newsgroups or the threads which are posted there. If you don't want anyone to challenge your assumptions, leave the newsgroups and start a mailing list. See if anyone really wants to read the trash you post. Thanks, Norman! You got it all in a nutshell (pun intended)! Your post should be in every newsgroups FAQ's. I'll check with my ng to see if they would include it. René > We all take turns "jumping on your threads" (since you aren't available to > jump [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > the > trash you post. > > You are misdirecting of my words. You did this before when > > implying a wrong statement of insulin resistance and diabetes. Is > > that a form of dyslexia of yours of are you deliberately > > misdirecting my words? > > > > I expect an apologiy for that. Are you just a coward are is common behaviour at yours to keep lying and poste allegations and not even being able to apologize for that? Or are your parents still in progress with your education and still have not reached that chapter? You are free to try the apologogy thing again. > Now this is the study you have such a problem .. with .. it seems .. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > It .. seems it .. is .. Yeah... the study... a perfect example of how not to do a study design. And with just a little less stubbornness and a glimplse of the basics of clinical research you'd notice and not disgraced yourself by posting it. > YOU .. can't seem to understand .. u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d .. the > RESEARCHERS .. as opposed to dckhds on the web .. decided it .. > "might be a good plan to include low iron diet" ... The study shows no effects if low iron diet since its data ascertainment is insufficient. But I already told you that. > Now YOU ... have a problem with their .. work .. their .. > conclusions .. OF .." 40-50% more effective" ..? > > Keep it to yourself .. Oooohhh... poor little tucktuck... go and request some education from your parents. > And attacking .. on the BASIS of .. 'your' .. take ON .. my > 'understandings' .. ? No. Just principles of clinical research and medicine. > Read my lips and .. F .. O .. because as I've pointed out before .. > you don't .. understand medical studies .. Actually you pointed out nothing less then your completey unablility to understand the texts you posted. Just remember the "No mention of .. genetic .. anywhere .. You bring it up .." I had such a good laugh at that one. And there are so many more of those... you're really funny, you know? > you are attempting .. by hook or by .. crook .. TO .. detract FROM > .. **low iron diet** .. which **improves** therefore alleviates .. > suffering .. It doesn't and you weren't able to prove it does... > Heh .. heh .. Gives you are VERY scientific touch... > Stay away from me .. your regard for others might rub .. off .. > <<snip>> > <<snip>> *yawn* Did I mention the insufficient data? Anja Did I mention the insufficient data?<< Yes you did .. Buuuut .. like I said .. Whooooo .. the .. fk .. are .. YOU .. ? A dckhd on the web .. ? I prefer the .. researchers who found .. 40 - 50% .. **increased** .. SURVIVAL ... Did I mention .. low - IRON - diet .. was **included** in the study .. ? I believe I .. did .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Reply » > Whooooo .. the .. fk .. are .. YOU .. ? > > A dckhd on the web .. ? I already told you. You should really try reading before answering. > Did I mention .. low - IRON - diet .. was **included** in the study > .. ? > > I believe I .. did .. So what? The effect of the chosen protein as progression factor is known and proven. The control group in your so called study had different composition of protein and different amount of iron intake. The data makes no differention between both. So... where is your prove...? Remember the storks and the babies? Correleation not being causality? I take your once agaain mising apologies as a confession that you deliberately misdirected my words because you knew your argumentation was sloppy. Have a nice day Anja So what? << That is exactly the reply .. expected .. The .. "so what" .. reason .. is .. 40 - 50% .. increased .. SURVIVAL .. Now .. as an analogy .. We have .. 'beav' .. and we have .. 'guy' .. Take your pick .. Stomp on one of their heads till their eyes pop right the fk .. out .. Now don't .. stomp .. on the others .. Now .. can you SEE .. the 'difference' .. Now YOU .. "wish to take a different" .. route .. WHEN .. the study SHOWS .. 50% .. increased survival .. already .. Now .. whos' .. life are you .. playing with .. The way research is .. done .. is .. NOW .. you attempt to IMPROVE on .. already .. PROVEN .. improvement .. NOT .. "changing the program" .. to ANY ... great .. extent .. That would INCLUDE .. not .. 'altering' .. the low - low .. low .. l-o-w .. IRON .. portion OF .. the regimen .. NOW .. you 'feel' .. you have something to .. offer as to 'radical'.. DIFFERENCE .. to .. THIS .. PROVEN .. regimen .. ? THAT is NOT .. how .. it works .. You should .. know .. that .. Heh .. heh .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > The .. "so what" .. reason .. is .. 40 - 50% .. increased .. > SURVIVAL .. Which is not to proven to be caused by low iron. > Now .. as an analogy .. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Stomp on one of their heads till their eyes pop right the fk .. out That is no study design. > Now YOU .. "wish to take a different" .. route .. WHEN .. the study > SHOWS .. 50% .. increased survival .. already .. It showed slowed progression. It did in no way prove an involvement of the reduced iron because the study design gives no such data. > Now .. whos' .. life are you .. playing with .. None. Because I don't draw conclusion on assumptions on insufficient data. > NOW .. you 'feel' .. you have something to .. offer as to > 'radical'.. DIFFERENCE .. to .. THIS .. PROVEN .. regimen .. ? I don't have to. I simply state that you draw conclusions on insufficient data. > THAT is NOT .. how .. it works .. > > You should .. know .. that .. I see a person needing to falsify statements and to insult because of his lacks in argumentation. Who should ever take your words worth anything again? You did a fantastic job in discrediting all ealier postings of yours and those to come, showed your learning resistance and displayed your inabilities in a very effective way. And you did it all by yourself ... a very fruitful conversation. Thanks. And if there should ever be the question for your reliability I will just need the message-IDs of this thread. Anja I see a person needing to falsify statements and to insult because of his lacks in argumentation. << And I see a 'self professed nephologist' .. who upon noticing the word .. renal .. began to wax on about how her .. 'forte' is . big .. "bigger than yours" .. Firstly I see a person who brings in .. anemia on a low iron diet thread to .. 'make it look' .. like .. low iron diet' would somehow equate .. with ... woooo .. "anemia" .. and sure enough the next breath .. "iron supplementation REQUIRED because diet is not enough" .. I see .. "what are your 'credentials' to speak to the kidney" ..? I see .. mention of religion .. I see again mention of .. "understanding" .. THAT .. pressed .. many times .. NOW .. ? Again when your .. a.s has been kicked .. again .. regimen which includes **low-iron-diet** .. improves .. increases SURVIVAL .. survival .. s-u-r-v-i-v-a-l .. Not .. "progression" .. as you like to point out .. SURVIVAL .. Dckhd .. Stay off my threads .. You have an .. agenda .. and ME .. is .. it .. You don't 'like' that you .. believe .. I .. "don't understand" .. ? Who cares what you like .. Your .. PROVING .. as to .. proof .. is of no regard to .. me .. Fifty percent increased survival .. S-U-R-V-I-V-A-L .. is what the thread is about .. and who cares whether or not .. "prove" .. as opposed to .. proof .. IS .. involved .. ? Because PROOF in medicine .. rarely .. comes .. "Correlation" .. which you so easily discard .. is the .. **goal** .. Heh .. heh .. Proof .. is gravy .. Who loves ya. Tom Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com Man Is A Herbivore! http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3 DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk > And I see a 'self professed nephologist' .. I wouldn't call study at a medical university "self processed". But your vision hasn't been the best lately. Anja Numbnutz tommy wrote: >>> YOU came onto my thread .. You don't own anything on the internet, crybaby. >> I expect an apologiy for that. When are you going to apologize for the years of spamming 85 or more newgroups, crybaby? >>> I asked you nicely to stay off my .. threads .. You don't own anything on the internet. If you want something private, establish a blog or e-list. Spare the rest of the world from your rantings and raving, crybaby. >>> You are useless .. ** YOU ** are the only useless THING in these support groups, crybaby. > Read my lips and .. F .. O .. because as I've pointed out The only thing you're pointed out is your total incompetence. > before .. you don't .. understand medical studies .. We've never seen any proof that you have one iota of medical training, and you're completely useless trying to say so. ... Don't assume malice for what Tom's stupidity can explain. Numbnuts tommy wrote: > RESEARCHERS .. as opposed to dckhds on the web Look who was seeing himself in a mirror when that was typed. Is this a promise that you're leaving the web? ... Tom misses his teddy bear and no one else will sleep with him. rusty rump said: "YOU came onto my thread .. and said / questioned .. "FACTS" .." *** SOLUTION: don't post in newsgroups, rusty rump. instead, email your "facts" to yourself and then you will be perfectly content with the response you receive. "Now .. facts .. may not be IMPORTANT to the likes of yourself .." ****actually, it appears that facts are more important to Anja, than they are to you. "But .. me .. I work .. exclusively .. in .. facts .." ****i totally agree, you do "work exclusively in [sic - with] facts"--but . . . you've never learned how to scientifically evaluate nor apply them correctly. instead, you quilt with them, cut and patch, to create your blanket theory of misinformation. you typify the ancient greek axiom, "a sophomore [which translates from the greek into "a wise fool"] with a little truth is dangerous." <snipping the rusty blah blah blah> kate DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk Numbnutz tommy wrote: > Either .. you are .. right .. She is. > Or .. I .. am .. You are not. > YOU .. continue .. to .. attack .. Only your untruhts. > I asked you nicely to stay off my .. threads .. Why don't you just keep you threads out of the newsgroups if you can't handle replies, crybaby? ... We need a pooper scooper for numbnutz' ramblings. Numbnutz tommy wrote: > Why don't you stay off my threads .. 'Cause you don't own the internet, crybaby. ... Numbnutz Tom, a horrible example of unskilled labour. > ... Numbnutz Tom, a horrible example of unskilled labour. I think that it was "unskilled labor" which produced him in the first place... > Numbnutz tommy lied when he wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > ... Is there a statute of limitations on Tom's stupidity? Oh now Chief, don't confuse him with the facts! As Anja said, it's unfair. You read and understand well, can't do that, it isn't keeping the "playing field" level. Sorry, I just don't like that OP. Never did answer why my mother had to go through IR*N infusions, that she found exceptionally painful to endure, every couple of weeks (and she was a bigger carnivore than I am). Nor did he ever answer why it is that *I* cannot process protein unless it comes from meat (not fish, not chicken, not pork). Nor has he ever considered that he may be wrong (may? He is, I'm walking proof). Then of course, the ir*n poor blood from a Non-Vegetarian (me), and I have RA, and I have Bursitis, and I have several other things that he thinks only come from ir*n overload. Maybe that's why I'm ignored mostly, huh? Smokie Darling (Annie) |
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