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Becky - 13 Oct 2006 03:28 GMT
This group has always been a good support, this isn't about my RA, although
it has flared, it is about how to deal with grief. I have never experienced
it before, I had only one other experience years ago.  With the death of my
husband 5 weeks ago I feel like I am going in circles.  Somedays it seems
okay, but I realize those are the days I am so busy that I don't really deal
with it. I have been working extra hours at work to help with fiancés and to
kinda not have to come home.
Tonight I got home really early, the house is so quiet, I miss him so very
much and have so many regrets.  I wish I could have got him to the doctor
more, the day he died I saw him outside sitting relaxing and I should have
went out and talked to him, but I got a phone call and the rest is history.
There were times he used to come up to me and put his arms around me for a
hug and I just winched, those darn PMS and hormone days!  I use to call home
on my cell and he would answer Yes Dear, oh what I wouldn't give to hear
those 2 words again, or just give him one more hug!  How it will ever get
easier I don't know but people tell me it does.
Well I am sorry to ramble on and on, I just needed to get it out. Thank you
for listening to me.
Becky
Angela - 13 Oct 2006 04:05 GMT
Becky
I am so sorry you are having to go through this terrible time.  I know
there are really no words that can take away your pain.  I believe your
husband knew how much you love him.  We always wish we could have done
some things differently when we look back.  You did the best you could
for and with him.  It may not feel that way now but in time you will
realize that.

Please believe that with time, you will adjust to your 'new normal' way
of life.  You will always miss your husband but thr pain will slowly
become less sharp and you will find the strength to keep going.  I hope
you have family and friends to support you through this time.  Keeping
busy is a good thing, it keeps you from dwelling on what you have lost.
You will have to go through the grief process at your own pace.
Please don't let others tell you how you sould feel or act.  This is
your time, do what you need to with it.

I will keep you in my prayers and I know others in this group will
also.  Please continue to let us know how you are doing and come here
anytime you need us.

Angela
Becky - 13 Oct 2006 04:14 GMT
Angela,
Thank you for your kind words, I have great family here, but I don't share
much with them, I hate to make them worry about me or feel sad.  I have 2
grown boys who have been wonderful, but I don't cry easy in front of people,
they both have cried my older one more my younger one is more like me, he
says he hates to see me sad, so I try to manage and make sure they are okay.
I have always been a person who wants to take care of everyone and really
doesn't think about me.
Thank you for the prayers I am thankful for those.
Becky

> Becky
> I am so sorry you are having to go through this terrible time.  I know
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> Angela
Adelle - 13 Oct 2006 06:54 GMT
> Angela,
> Thank you for your kind words, I have great family here, but I don't share
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> Thank you for the prayers I am thankful for those.
> Becky

Becky,

You don't know me very well, so I hope this won't seem too presumptuous, but
after witnessing my husband and his mom when my Father in Law passed, I have
very strong feelings on this matter.

One of the greatest lessons you can still teach your sons is: How to grieve.
How to experience the process. How to experience feelings, both joyful and
painful. That if they face painful things with honesty, the process of
living through it will make them stronger, and more compassionate. By
suppressing your tears of grief, you are cheating yourself and them from the
full spectrum of what it means to be a human being.

My MIL kept trying to shield my husband from painful moments, telling him he
didn't have to stay in the hospital room if he didn't want to, etc. And then
I realized why, at 40, my husband had trouble facing tough moments in our
marriage. He didn't have much prior experience with having to endure the
painful; he'd never had to stay in the moment, just feel it and keep on
going.

Losing one of the most important people in your life is painful. It's OK to
just sit there and let it hurt for a while. That doesn't mean you never pull
yourself together and go do what you have to. It just means saying, "yes,
this hurts. I feel lost. I feel angry. I feel guilty. I am a ball of
feelings." And then, after a cry, you go live. And it will overcome you
again another day. It's just part of the process. Over time, the times of
overwhelming grief will occur less frequently. You don't just get on with
it. We aren't wired that way. Let yourself feel your grief.

One thing I saw with other people who have lost spouses is - go to peers. If
you don't have a circle of friends who are supportive and have other people
in it who are widows, then go to a support group. While your sons will
understand you missing their dad, most children, even as adults, have
trouble with the part of your grief that's about missing your life partner
and lover. The really deep missing, of a look, a moment shared, etc. For
that you really need peers. (again, saw that in the difference between my
mom and my MIL. Only this time, my MIL had the better network).  It's so you
can be honest with your feelings and have them honored and respected without
having the additional layer of worrying about how your kids are handling
what you are doing and saying.

And you can still talk to your husband. Tell him all the things you want to.
No he can't answer you. But no one is ever guaranteed that.

When my dad first got sick, I tried to do the "tell him what you need him to
hear, " thing, about being a good dad and all that. I know he heard me. But
he was not in an emotional place where he could accept it and answer. It was
like talking to a cardboard cut out. Eventually I realized that all that
mattered was that I said it. So go ahead and say it. It's not too late. It's
never too late.

Sending you hugs,

Adelle
Harvey R. Stone - 13 Oct 2006 13:31 GMT
>> Angela,
>> Thank you for your kind words, I have great family here, but I don't
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> Adelle

Hi All,,,,  I just want to say how much I enjoyed reading what Adelle had to
say.   Several places I wanted to say how true something was and how it
applies to all of our lives but I could not because it might take away from
what she was saying next.....
  It truly is a major part of our life,,,,,, death that is,,,, learning to
live with it,,, learning to understand our grief has to be lived with.   If
we can do that,,,, we will be more ready to face our God when it is our
turn,,,,, when that part of Gods plan comes to be the next step in our life.
I know that God has blessed this world by letting us share a small part of
what Adelle has had to say but the real blessing comes to each of us when we
apply it to our lives and the lives of our loved ones.
   Becky,,, some people say that a loved one knows what we say when we talk
to them and I know for a fact that saying out loud is a good way to work
through problems.  You will know when things start to turn around for you.
It is normal for you to feel the way you do and it is also normal for it to
dominate less of your thinking and your day.  It is how God helps us to help
ourselves to heal,,, to notice that other people in our life need attention,
need to be cared for.
   I want to thank you for your post here and I hope that the truths that
Adelle has shown us helps you to learn to live again with less pain.   You
have helped us all by sharing your pain and your experience.   Maybe we can
face the future with the strength you have shared with us.

Harv
Becky - 14 Oct 2006 06:27 GMT
Harv,
Thank you, I agree with Adelle, I am a strong believer in God and know that
we can handle all things thru him, and my two sons have grown stronger in
their faith thru the loss of their dad.  I just need to learn it is okay not
to be the rock and to show that I am just a human and weakness is okay. I
have a wonderful picture of Paul, and speak to it each day, telling him good
morning and good night.
Thank you again
Becky

>>> Angela,
>>> Thank you for your kind words, I have great family here, but I don't
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> Harv
Nann Bell - 13 Oct 2006 15:53 GMT
Becky, I agree with everything Adelle says.  I know my mom found great help
from other widows at our church after my dad died.  Though everyone's
experience is different, they understood one another's losses in a way no one
else could.

Also, if you and your sons can begin to openly grieve with each other, that
will also open the door to openly sharing the good memories and even being
able to chuckle about things because you won't have to fear getting choked up
about stuff.  It's one of those weird things that being able to cry around
each other also frees you up to enjoy each others' memories.

You might think about when you are most vulnerable to being overwhelmed by
grief so you can be a bit more prepared for those moments.  It will still
happen, but when you know it's coming it isn't as disturbing.  Because my dad
was our church organist when I was growing up, my hardest moments were church
hymns that had lots of memories of him.  It was 2 years before I could
reliably sing all the hymns in a church service without crying - so don't
expect to get past this overnight.

And do check with your local hospice or hospital or with churches.  I can
almost guarantee there will be a grief support group in your area and most
likely a free one.  It is really important to have some time around people
who truly understand what you are going through and that is a great place to
find that type of companionship.

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>> Angela,
>> Thank you for your kind words, I have great family here, but I don't share
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> Adelle
Becky - 14 Oct 2006 06:29 GMT
Nann,
Thank you my church family has been a big support, my main problem is
letting people help me and not feeling weak when I show emotion and realize
it is okay.  My oldest took me to dinner tonight and we talked about Paul,
some with tears and some with laughter. It was a good evening and maybe just
a smaller step towards healing.
Thank you
Becky
> Becky, I agree with everything Adelle says.  I know my mom found great
> help
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>> Adelle
Nann Bell - 16 Oct 2006 05:24 GMT
> Nann,
> Thank you my church family has been a big support, my main problem is
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> Thank you
> Becky

It's hard to let yourself be so vulnerable, especially when you already feel
so weakened by such an overwhelming loss.   I'm glad you have so many good
people around you and it sounds like you ARE moving along with this, though
I'm sure it doesn't feel that way.

BTW, so you know you aren't weird, my biggest crying session after my dad's
death was about 6 weeks later.  I thought I was going to go to a local choir
practice, but that thought reminded me of riding bikes to junior choir
practice with my dad when I was a kid.  I sobbed my eyes out for hours at
that memory.  So it does continue to hit you at unexpected times.  Just be
gentle with yourself, ok?

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d'huit - 16 Oct 2006 06:53 GMT
Nann,
Thank you my church family has been a big support, my main problem is
letting people help me and not feeling weak when I show emotion and realize
it is okay.  My oldest took me to dinner tonight and we talked about Paul,
some with tears and some with laughter. It was a good evening and maybe just
a smaller step towards healing.
Thank you
Becky

it sounds like you both had a very dear connection, at dinner.  i'm glad
that you and your son did this with each other.

i don't generally reveal a lot about my grief experiences since losing
butch. bits and pieces . . . maybe . . .and sometimes.  but if it will help
you, becky, i'll tell you what my darling neice-in-law (the daughter of my
heart) said to me, about a week or so after butch passed away.  when i was
still trying so very, very hard to stay in my head and not fall apart around
others, my wendy took me aside and said, "aunt katie, you don't always have
to be strong for everyone else.  it's ok if you're not strong.  this is the
time to let others be strong, for you."  it was the permission i needed.

becky, you're not weak for being emotional.  that only reveals how very much
you loved and cared for your husband and in a very deep way, it honors him.
sometimes, it takes courage to reveal your vulnerabilities to others,
courage to trust others with your vulnerabilities.  sometimes, though, we
seem to need permission to do that.  so . . . as my wendy once told me . . .
becky, "this is the time to let others be strong, for you."

kate

> Becky, I agree with everything Adelle says.  I know my mom found great
> help
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>> Adelle
Joan Carter - 13 Oct 2006 22:09 GMT
>Losing one of the most important people in your life is painful. It's OK to
>just sit there and let it hurt for a while. That doesn't mean you never pull
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>overwhelming grief will occur less frequently. You don't just get on with
>it. We aren't wired that way. Let yourself feel your grief.

Adelle just said it all. People who don't grieve openly are doing themselves an
injustice. If you can share it with your family, you will be doing something for
yourself and for them. All the best. Although you don't think so now, there will
be times you can laugh again. Be gentle with yourself until then.
---
Joan
Becky - 14 Oct 2006 06:29 GMT
Thank you Joan
> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 01:54:10 -0400, "Adelle" <adNOstavis@SPAMcomcast.net>
> wrote
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> ---
> Joan
Becky - 14 Oct 2006 06:24 GMT
Adelle,
Thank you for your words, I talked to my oldest son tonight, he took me to
dinner. He is going thru the angry stage right now. But my youngest son when
he sees me cry it makes him so upset, they are both coming out tomorrow so I
am going to try and talk a little with them.
Thanks again
Becky

>> Angela,
>> Thank you for your kind words, I have great family here, but I don't
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>
> Adelle
d'huit - 13 Oct 2006 07:11 GMT
((((((((((((((((((becky)))))))))))))))))))  angela is right.  grief/the
grieving process is a very individualized experience.  it takes as long as
it takes, and not one minute more or less.  trust yourself, becky; trust
your gentle, nurturing inner-voice to guide you--and you'll do exactly what
you need to do, what is right for you and your healing process, to help
yourself through these difficult times, hon.

for my son and me, wordless, comforting hugs were and still are healing and
the healing/comforting energy goes both ways and shares a lot.  for some,
exchanging loving smiles will do the same thing; for others, patted hands,
and for others sharing tears . . .etc.  there are no set rules chiseled in
stone for sharing grief, sweetie.

just feel what you feel and trust what your gentle inner-voice guides you to
do, becky.

keeping you and your family in my healing thoughts.
kate

Angela,
Thank you for your kind words, I have great family here, but I don't share
much with them, I hate to make them worry about me or feel sad.  I have 2
grown boys who have been wonderful, but I don't cry easy in front of people,
they both have cried my older one more my younger one is more like me, he
says he hates to see me sad, so I try to manage and make sure they are okay.
I have always been a person who wants to take care of everyone and really
doesn't think about me.
Thank you for the prayers I am thankful for those.
Becky

> Becky
> I am so sorry you are having to go through this terrible time.  I know
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>
> Angela
Becky - 14 Oct 2006 06:30 GMT
Thank you Kate we have many hugs between my sons and their concern for me is
overwhelming, their dad I know is very proud of them both.
Thank you
Becky
> ((((((((((((((((((becky)))))))))))))))))))  angela is right.  grief/the
> grieving process is a very individualized experience.  it takes as long as
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>>
>> Angela
LurfysMa - 13 Oct 2006 06:59 GMT
>This group has always been a good support, this isn't about my RA, although
>it has flared, it is about how to deal with grief. I have never experienced
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>with it. I have been working extra hours at work to help with fiancés and to
>kinda not have to come home.

>Tonight I got home really early, the house is so quiet, I miss him so very
>much and have so many regrets. I wish I could have got him to the doctor
>more, the day he died I saw him outside sitting relaxing and I should have
>went out and talked to him, but I got a phone call and the rest is history.

Please don't add to your sadness by beating up on yourself. No matter
how we live our lives, there will always be something we could have
done in hindsight.

>There were times he used to come up to me and put his arms around me for a
>hug and I just winched, those darn PMS and hormone days!

If he did that, it had to be because he loved you. If he loved you,
you must have done something to deserve it in his eyes even if you
were not perfect. Maybe you had you bad days, but there must have been
enough good days or other things you did for him that he kept coming
up and putting his arms around you. Remember that part.

>I use to call home
>on my cell and he would answer Yes Dear, oh what I wouldn't give to hear
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>for listening to me.
>Becky

Have you considered seeing a therapist or joining a grief group? I
believe grief groups can be very helpful and not too expensive.

Best & hang in there

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Lyn - 13 Oct 2006 13:10 GMT
Becky, please go to grief counseling.  It will help.  Wish I could offer
more.

Lyn
Becky - 14 Oct 2006 06:32 GMT
I am going to try some grief counseling the school district I work for
offers it thru a support group and I am looking into it now.
Thank you
> Becky, please go to grief counseling.  It will help.  Wish I could offer
> more.
>
> Lyn
Cindy - 13 Oct 2006 18:34 GMT
Becky,
I don't know when it will get easier, but I know that they say it does. I
have watched my Mom these last 3 years and while she has more and  more good
days now than bad, I know that she still misses my Dad. Last Friday would
have been their 50th wedding anniversary.
And like you, she has a sense of guilt. He was out in the yard raking
leaves. He had told her he had about 30 more minutes of work to do and that
he would be in for his lunch. After about 45 min her neighbor came beating
on the door saying he was lying in the yard. Mom didn't know how long he had
been lying out there. She felt so guilty...But I think with time she has
learned that God took him home and there is no reason to be guilty.
Your words remind me to appreciate everyday with my husband...even those
days I would like to wring his neck.
And the words you wrote about the phone calls...Some times Mike answers the
phone the same way..."Yes Dear"
I will think of you now each time he does and appreciate the sound in his
voice..you know... that maybe I am bugging him right now...

Give your self the time to grieve. It is okay. You can come here and talk
anytime you want...or if you need a hug....
Lots of prayers and hugs
Cindy

> This group has always been a good support, this isn't about my RA, although
> it has flared, it is about how to deal with grief. I have never experienced
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> for listening to me.
> Becky
Becky - 14 Oct 2006 06:38 GMT
Cindy,
Thank you and I am glad that something I have said has meant something to
you.  I know that Paul is at peace and God needed him.
This is a poem I read at his service called
I'm Free
Don't grieve for me for now I'm free
I;m following the path God has laid you see
I took his hand when I heard his call
I turned my back and left it all
I could not stay another day
To laugh to love to work or play
Tasks left undone must stay that way
I found that peace at close of day.
If my parting has left a void
Then fill it with remembered joy
A friendship shared, a laugh, a kiss
Oh yes, these too I will miss
Be no burdened with times of sorrow
I wish you the sunshine of tomorrow
My life's been full, I savored much
Good friends, good times, a loved one's touch
Perhaps my time seemed all too brief
Don't lengthen it now with undue grief
Lift up your hearts and peace to thee
God wanted me now; He set me free
> Becky,
> I don't know when it will get easier, but I know that they say it does. I
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>> for listening to me.
>> Becky
ladylove77 - 15 Oct 2006 01:27 GMT
Becky, a beautiful poem.
Gwen

> Cindy,
> Thank you and I am glad that something I have said has meant something to
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>>> for listening to me.
>>> Becky
Thumper - 13 Oct 2006 22:08 GMT
>This group has always been a good support, this isn't about my RA, although
>it has flared, it is about how to deal with grief. I have never experienced
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>for listening to me.
>Becky

Becky,
I believe you just did a very therapeutical thing  by simply putting
down your thoughts on paper, or in this case online.  In times of
great grief your mind can do terrible things to you racing from
thought to thought, remembrance to remembrance.  Write all of this
down as you feel these things and it may help you to not internalize
the grief as much.  Don't try to hold your feelings in.  Remember that
you always have friends here and even if you don't send the posts or
letters, get the feelings written down.
Thumper
Becky - 14 Oct 2006 06:39 GMT
Thank you Thumer I actually wrote Paul a letter the other day and then read
it out loud to him, it helped.
Thank you again
Becky

>>This group has always been a good support, this isn't about my RA,
>>although
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> letters, get the feelings written down.
> Thumper
Thumper - 14 Oct 2006 16:24 GMT
>Thank you Thumer I actually wrote Paul a letter the other day and then read
>it out loud to him, it helped.
>Thank you again
>Becky

Great.  It's not too late to tell him the things you wished you told
him when he was alive.  Just don't hold it in.
Thumper

>>>This group has always been a good support, this isn't about my RA,
>>>although
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>> letters, get the feelings written down.
>> Thumper
ladylove77 - 14 Oct 2006 00:27 GMT
Becky, I don't know exactly how you feel because my husband had alzheimers
and did not die suddenly.  Took him about 8 years, and I could not really
grieve when he died because he was in a nursing home completely dependent on
someone to do everything for him, feeding, turning, bathing, etc., etc. for
8 months.  But I have grieved since.  It will happen at the oddest times;
everything will be fine and all of a sudden I just miss him terribly, and I
cry.  He died in
March, 2001, and sometimes it seems as if he is still in the bed with me and
I'll see him when I turn over.  Most of the time, however, I don't think
about him being gone any more.  Time does really make a big difference.  You
will never completely get over his death, but you will miss him less and
less as time goes by and you get on with living each day as it comes.  You
will realize later that you did the best you could at the time when he was
living,  and just as you knew he loved you, he knew that you loved him.  Try
to think about some of the very good times you had and let that memory take
away some of the grief.  You will be in my prayers.
Gwen

> This group has always been a good support, this isn't about my RA,
> although it has flared, it is about how to deal with grief. I have never
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> you for listening to me.
> Becky
Becky - 14 Oct 2006 06:39 GMT
Thank you Gwen
> Becky, I don't know exactly how you feel because my husband had alzheimers
> and did not die suddenly.  Took him about 8 years, and I could not really
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>> you for listening to me.
>> Becky
debbie m - 14 Oct 2006 02:18 GMT
(((((((((((Becky)))))))))

What you are feeling is very normal.  It will get better with time.  My
dad passed away in April and I know it's not the same but I missed him
as well and also had the regrets or the what if's.  I took care of him
for ten years so he was a very, very big part of my life.  I felt lost
w/o him.  He would have been 89 on October 15th.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all go through a process of
grief.  There are days I am doing great and then I will see his
handwriting on something and then I get that sad, sad feeling.
However, things are better now.

Our local hospice has grief sessions.  I believe they run one night/day
a week for six weeks and it is done in a group.  They also counsel
individually.  you might want to check into something like that.  There
is no better support than someone who has been through what you have
and know what you are feeling.  I'm glad you can some here and share
your sadness.

debbie m.

> This group has always been a good support, this isn't about my RA, although
> it has flared, it is about how to deal with grief. I have never experienced
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> for listening to me.
> Becky
Becky - 14 Oct 2006 06:40 GMT
Thank you Debbie I am looking into the grief therapy now.
Thanks
Becky
(((((((((((Becky)))))))))

What you are feeling is very normal.  It will get better with time.  My
dad passed away in April and I know it's not the same but I missed him
as well and also had the regrets or the what if's.  I took care of him
for ten years so he was a very, very big part of my life.  I felt lost
w/o him.  He would have been 89 on October 15th.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that we all go through a process of
grief.  There are days I am doing great and then I will see his
handwriting on something and then I get that sad, sad feeling.
However, things are better now.

Our local hospice has grief sessions.  I believe they run one night/day
a week for six weeks and it is done in a group.  They also counsel
individually.  you might want to check into something like that.  There
is no better support than someone who has been through what you have
and know what you are feeling.  I'm glad you can some here and share
your sadness.

debbie m.

Becky wrote:
> This group has always been a good support, this isn't about my RA,
> although
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> for listening to me.
> Becky
RhondaM - 14 Oct 2006 17:43 GMT
> This group has always been a good support, this isn't about my RA,
> although it has flared, it is about how to deal with grief. I have never
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> you for listening to me.
> Becky

I am not sure what words would be right. All I can offer is a big
(((((((((((HUG)))))))))))
I have never personally experienced the loss of a spouse, but reading what
you posted about wishing you could hear his voice again made me more aware
that I should be kinder in some ways and not take things for granted so much
in my marriage. Who knows when our goodbye could be the last
Diane - 15 Oct 2006 03:47 GMT
becky, i just want you to know i'm carrying you around in my heart.
sharing your feelings here help us all because none of us is going to
get out of life without experiencing grief. thank you and i'm glad
you're looking into counseling.

diane
Becky - 16 Oct 2006 00:23 GMT
Thank you Diane
Becky

> becky, i just want you to know i'm carrying you around in my heart.
> sharing your feelings here help us all because none of us is going to
> get out of life without experiencing grief. thank you and i'm glad
> you're looking into counseling.
>
> diane
 
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