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Diane - 24 Sep 2006 17:51 GMT
my doc (GP) just recommended i take melatonin to help with sleep at
night. years ago, i took melatonin and it worked well, but it seems to
me i recall a discussion in this group about it being contraindicated
for some reason. (one of our drugs? i just can't remember). does this
ring a bell for anyone?
if not, i'll give it a try.

diane
johnie - 24 Sep 2006 20:46 GMT
diane, remember, melatonin is a hormone and it is not always
predictable. I have never seen an interaction with other drugs but
everywhere in the literature it is not recommended for auto-immune
disease. It can ramp up the immune response but it seems a lot of RAers
get along with it just dandy anyhows.... Can't hurt to give it a try.
What kind of sleep problems are you having?

johnie

> my doc (GP) just recommended i take melatonin to help with sleep at
> night. years ago, i took melatonin and it worked well, but it seems to
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>
> diane
Diane - 25 Sep 2006 00:36 GMT
johnie, i think i sleep fine, but she thinks i'm not having enough of
the right kind of sleep. (i told her i get foggy brained; that was her
response). so she suggested adding the melatonin. i'll give it a try
and let you all know how it works out.

diane
hanbell@earthlink.net - 25 Sep 2006 02:48 GMT
I seem to remember something about some folks being prone to nightmares
on it, but I don't think that is universal by any means.  Just be aware
if you seem to be having more bad dreams on it, that could be the
cause.

how do you feel when you wake up in the morning?  Do you feel rested
then?  Generally sleep disturbances result in you not feeling rested
when you get up.  IIRC, you also have some sinus/allergy problems and
those can lead to that foggy feeling, too, so it would help if you can
identify any possible pattern.  (LOL - I well recall deciding Benadryl
wasn't worth it as it left me even foggier than a major allergy attack
does!)

Nann

> johnie, i think i sleep fine, but she thinks i'm not having enough of
> the right kind of sleep. (i told her i get foggy brained; that was her
> response). so she suggested adding the melatonin. i'll give it a try
> and let you all know how it works out.
>
> diane
d'huit - 25 Sep 2006 02:58 GMT
I seem to remember something about some folks being prone to nightmares
on it, but I don't think that is universal by any means.  Just be aware
if you seem to be having more bad dreams on it, that could be the
cause.

how do you feel when you wake up in the morning?  Do you feel rested
then?  Generally sleep disturbances result in you not feeling rested
when you get up.  IIRC, you also have some sinus/allergy problems and
those can lead to that foggy feeling, too, so it would help if you can
identify any possible pattern.  (LOL - I well recall deciding Benadryl
wasn't worth it as it left me even foggier than a major allergy attack
does!)

Nann

yeah, i agree, and too, -- correct me if i'm wrong, nann  --  it seems to me
i read somewhere that keeping your bedroom absolutely dark, when you sleep,
helps your body manufacture (for want of the correct term) natural
melatonin, which in turn helps your body to get the best sleep.

kate

Diane wrote:
> johnie, i think i sleep fine, but she thinks i'm not having enough of
> the right kind of sleep. (i told her i get foggy brained; that was her
> response). so she suggested adding the melatonin. i'll give it a try
> and let you all know how it works out.
>
> diane
Adelle - 26 Sep 2006 04:40 GMT
> johnie, i think i sleep fine, but she thinks i'm not having enough of
> the right kind of sleep. (i told her i get foggy brained; that was her
> response). so she suggested adding the melatonin. i'll give it a try
> and let you all know how it works out.
>
> diane

Diane,

Can't help with the Melatonin. But you would be surprise how two simple
things have made me less foggy.

One is drinking more water. I just wasn't hydrating enough and it impaired
my alertness and ability to concentrate.

The other is the medicinal imbibing of small amounts of caffeinated drinks.
I got the idea from a co-worker who said she had ADD. She didn't like the
way the rx's made her feel, so she would drink coffee and Pepsi all day.
Well, just as a lark, I tried drinking a cup of coffee or Coke in the am for
a week. The next week, I went back to no caffeine. I can honestly say I was
better organized (mentally) and more able to do what needed to get done on
the days I had caffeine. Can't explain it. It just worked.

Too bad my gut reacts to many of the drinks which contain caffeine. <sigh>
Well, ya can't have everything.

Have been an insomniac since I was a young kid. Some of it was anxiety. Some
of it is hormonal. Recently discovered sugar keeps me awake at night, so no
sweets or really sweet drinks after 8:00 pm.

Some of it was not having the good sleep habits of waking up at the same
time of day every day, seven days a week. When the kids were little, and
their 'tummy alarms' went off at the same time each morning, I actually woke
up the same time each day. For that time, I rarely had insomnia.

Mental fogginess can be a symptom of other things (sleep apnea or other
sleep disturbance, as your doc currently surmises, depression, fibro...).
Don't want you to think I'm not aware of that. Your Dr. is trying to do
right by you. But it seems to me that sometimes we are so used to chalking
things up to our chronic conditions that we forget that sometimes a symptom
might improve if we keep to healthier habits.

Good luck with it
Adelle
Ginnie - 25 Sep 2006 07:16 GMT
I'm taking a very low dose of melatonin to help me sleep better,
but my doc warned me against melatonin not playing nice with
SSRI's and other serotonin-affecting drugs.  So, since I'm taking
Prozac and Elavil,  I only take 3 mg. of melatonin, and honestly
can't say it's doing me any good.  ;-)

Ginnie              >^..^<  ( i told her to try catnip....)
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> my doc (GP) just recommended i take melatonin to help with sleep at
> night. years ago, i took melatonin and it worked well, but it seems to
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>
> diane
Diane - 25 Sep 2006 13:47 GMT
ginnie,
maybe that's what i'm remembering? i'm weaning off effexor, which i was
taking for hot flashes but which now appears to be causing MAJOR (i
don't have letters big enough) head sweating, which in turn appears to
be hastening my hair loss. ugh. i'll miss the good parts of effexor,
but this sweaty head things has to stop.

i think she said to start with 3 mg of melatonin. i'll see what
happens.

nann, i NEVER feel rested in the morning. not even as a little kid. to
get up in the morning when i was a kid, i kept adding pillows under my
head until i was sitting up. LOL.  just not a morning person. once i'm
up, though, i'm usually fine.

i guess foggy brain is the wrong term; i told her i was having memory
loss and she thought it could be from not having the "right kind" of
sleep.

baldy
hanbell@earthlink.net - 25 Sep 2006 19:51 GMT
My sister used to be on Prozac for mild (thankfully!) clinical
depression.  When hot flashes and night sweats began, her doc switched
her over to Paxil saying it helps some with those symptoms.  She has
noticed a significant change.  Don't know where you are at this point,
but if you can try Paxil, it might be better for you.

heehee, I know what you mean - I'm not a morning person either!  The
years I had to be at school or work at 7 am were pure torment - in that
regard.  But if I could sleep on MY schedule, I'd feel rested when I
got up.  That all vanished for a while, especially when pain was
hitting hard around 4 or 5 am.  That's been much bette since Lexapro
and more pain meds, but it hasn't helped my natural night-owl-ness any!
LOL  I force myself to aim for a midnight-8 am sleep schedule, but
would much prefer 3-6 am!  (of course, my current morning wakefulness
only lasts about 90 minutes - then I fake it and drink caffeine until
naptime!)

Nann

> ginnie,
> maybe that's what i'm remembering? i'm weaning off effexor, which i was
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>
> baldy
Diane - 25 Sep 2006 23:02 GMT
nann, paxil and effexor are recommended for hot flashes. the effexor
helped quite a bit. but apparently it also can cause this sweating
(seems paradoxical. the sweating is a totally different feeling than a
hot flash). so i am hoping that my hot flashes have diminished enough i
won't have a problem with them when i wean off the effexor. and i hope
i don't get depressed either!

> My sister used to be on Prozac for mild (thankfully!) clinical
> depression.  When hot flashes and night sweats began, her doc switched
> her over to Paxil saying it helps some with those symptoms.  She has
> noticed a significant change.  Don't know where you are at this point,
> but if you can try Paxil, it might be better for you.
Fire Chief - 27 Sep 2006 07:45 GMT
> my doc (GP) just recommended i take melatonin

I posted 6 replies to this - none of them have appeared
and I'm not posting them again.

Visit  http://www.fda.gov and search for melatonin.
You'll uncover dozens of releases, warnings, etc.

Then again, maybe you don't want to read any of it.  <g>

... Do Lipton Tea employees take coffee breaks?
Diane - 27 Sep 2006 16:06 GMT
thanks chief. i don't want to be ignorant.

diane

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