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Carpal Tunnel Syndrome surgery, but where?
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yubbers9@yahoo.com - 18 Sep 2006 03:38 GMT Hi all,
I have Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and need surgery, but I have no health insurance because I am an American and you know, 45 million of us don't have it.
Can anyone tell me if perhaps there is an option to having it done in Cuba or some other country where it might be affordable? Here, the estimate is running something like $15000, which is pure insanity.
I can't work in my chosen field because of this health problem. In fact a lot of jobs are closed to me now because of it.
Thanks.
Wooly - 18 Sep 2006 03:43 GMT >is running something like $15000, which is >pure insanity. Somebody is smoking crack. I had CT release, S-L repair, and an ulnar nerve reposition done for less than $8 total, all in one swell foop.
Find a competent orthopedic surgeon, ask if s/he can do it under a local nerve block in the office. If he can't or won't ask for a referral to someone who can/will. If you strike out on that and you've got to go to a day surgery center you can negotiate a cash price with the orthopedist and separately with the surgical center. The surgical center price should include anaesthesia.
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yubbers9@yahoo.com - 18 Sep 2006 03:51 GMT > Somebody is smoking crack. I had CT release, S-L repair, and an ulnar > nerve reposition done for less than $8 total, all in one swell foop. I have a cyst in my CT, which has to be removed.
Wooly - 18 Sep 2006 12:54 GMT >> Somebody is smoking crack. I had CT release, S-L repair, and an ulnar >> nerve reposition done for less than $8 total, all in one swell foop. > >I have a cyst in my CT, which has to be removed. Ok, so somebody is smoking crack+horse. The "cyst" associated with most cases of CT is a bag of synovial fluid that's extruded itself between the wrist bones. Usually those are drained in an exam room using a large-bore drilling rig and some pressure.
I'm beginning to smell a troll.
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C. Massey - 18 Sep 2006 13:23 GMT <snip>
> I'm beginning to smell a troll. My thoughts exactly when I read the OP.
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ruada - 18 Sep 2006 17:53 GMT >>> Somebody is smoking crack. I had CT release, S-L repair, and an >>> ulnar nerve reposition done for less than $8 total, all in one [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I'm beginning to smell a troll. I have never heard of anyone having any kind of surgery done, in the doc's office or elswhere where the total outlay is your claimed $8.00. Even with the absolugtely best insurance going the co-pays are far more than that. Even at the sliding fee clinc for the downtrodden, poor, disabled, working poor, and so on the cost for an office vist as a "minimal" (which means you get the lowest price for everything) is $10.00. So who is the "troll".
old goat - 18 Sep 2006 05:40 GMT Dear Yubbers,
I had the TV on the other day and it was tuned to CSPAN, the government channel, where they praise each other one minute and call each other a.sholes the next. I had it on because it works well for sleeping. The was some congressperson from Iowa who had apparently replying to the immigration problem and such and somehow the subject of healthcare came up. He said all Americans and illegal aliens for that matter have health insurance. He pointed out that hospitals are required to treat you, regardless of circumstance. He used an example of two Mexicans who stabbed each other over smuggling drugs. One guy was so bad he was airlifted by helicopter to a trauma facility in the US, but both were treated on U.S. soil and didn't pay a cent (or peso). So you just go have your surgery, and when they send you the bills, you just send half to that nice man from Iowa and the rest to the Mexican embassy. The government says you don't have to pay, it's on tape from Friday night, in the congressional record, and if you need that man from Iowa's name you just let me know.
Dont pay them a dime, it's on Iowa--og yubbers9@yahoo.com wrote in article <1158547116.111875.42070@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
> Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks. Fire Chief - 18 Sep 2006 06:22 GMT ... and somehow the subject of healthcare came up.
> He said all Americans and illegal aliens for that matter have health > insurance. He pointed out that hospitals are required to treat you, > regardless of circumstance. Only for emergencies/trama, not for planned surgery/treatment.
Vehicle accident - yes. Gunshot wound - yes. Stabbing - yes. Childbirth - yes (that's how all the wetbacks get their kids born as American citizens). Plane crash - yes. Heart attack/stroke - yes.
Joint replacement - no. Cosmetic surgery - no. Tummy tuck - no. ... Support your local medical examiner - die strangely.
Juba - 18 Sep 2006 19:53 GMT Fire Chief <CALIFORNIA_CHIEF@PEOPLEPC.COM> wrote in message: 1158556958.700829.211540@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
> Childbirth - yes (that's how all the wetbacks get "Wetback" is a racial slur, you ignorant bastard.
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Fire Chief - 20 Sep 2006 00:26 GMT > "Wetback" is a racial slur, you ignorant bastard. Tough sh.t.
I'm fed up with those wetbacks getting free medical care off the taxpayers' back, getting free education while American citizens have to pay tuition.
So STUFF IT, a.s kissing bleeding heart.
... Being factually wrong has never bother the bleeding hearts.
Bud - 20 Sep 2006 01:33 GMT >> "Wetback" is a racial slur, you ignorant bastard. > > Tough sh.t. Yeah Chief, 'Greaser' is the proper terminology. ;-)
yubbers9@yahoo.com - 18 Sep 2006 12:22 GMT Hospitals are required to treat you, yes, but then they stick you with the bill. Many won't tell you up front whether you quality for free or cheap service.I even heard of a hospital in Florida where they won't let you leave until you give them a credit card to charge. And how much do they charge? Up to 4 times what they would charge an insurance company. Of course, some people say you can just lie about who you are, as illegals do, but for an operation I suspect they would want to see some ID. So the only thing to protect the poor patient who needs serious surgery done is the "statue of limitations on debt". The USA is all about getting citizens into debt, and giving a free ride to illegals (who are far cheaper than slaves ever were). Maybe, if I give up my citizenship, I can get the surgery for free.
> Dear Yubbers, > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > Thanks. SoCalMike - 20 Sep 2006 02:26 GMT > "statue of limitations on debt". The USA is all about getting > citizens into debt, and giving a free ride to illegals (who are > far cheaper than slaves ever were). maybe if more companies offered health care, things would be different. and yes- the illegals are cheap labor, the republicans dirty secret.
Fire Chief - 18 Sep 2006 06:28 GMT > I have Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and need surgery, > but I have no health insurance because I am an American [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > of this health problem. In fact a lot of jobs are > closed to me now because of it. Have you worked enough quarters to qualify for Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI)?
Is you income low enoung to qualify for Medicare?
Does your county have an indigent health plan (every county in California does, under state law).
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yubbers9@yahoo.com - 18 Sep 2006 12:24 GMT > Does your county have an indigent health plan (every > county in California does, under state law). Some of the Republican counties in CA don't, because they have only private hospitals.
ladylove77 - 18 Sep 2006 22:03 GMT Chief, low income would qualify for Medicaid, not Medicare. Gwen
>> I have Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and need surgery, >> but I have no health insurance because I am an American [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > ... I had to delete windoze - my cat ate the mouse. Howard McCollister - 18 Sep 2006 11:35 GMT > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > of this health problem. In fact a lot of jobs are > closed to me now because of it. Try Mexico. The prices for surgery for outpatient procedures there are usually about 1/3 what they are in the US.
HMc
yubbers9@yahoo.com - 18 Sep 2006 12:26 GMT > Try Mexico. The prices for surgery for outpatient procedures there are > usually about 1/3 what they are in the US. Mexican doctors are known to be unethical on average, murderers at worst. Why bother with that mess of a country anyway when Cuba is available?
Harvey R. Stone - 18 Sep 2006 14:36 GMT >> Try Mexico. The prices for surgery for outpatient procedures there are >> usually about 1/3 what they are in the US. > > Mexican doctors are known to be unethical on average, > murderers at worst. Why bother with that mess of a country > anyway when Cuba is available? Again,,,,, please go there. Your vote is really important in Cuba.
Harv
Juba - 18 Sep 2006 19:53 GMT yubbers9@yahoo.com <yubbers9@yahoo.com> wrote in message: 1158578777.946923.164310@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
>> Try Mexico. The prices for surgery for outpatient procedures there >> are usually about 1/3 what they are in the US. > > Mexican doctors are known to be unethical on average, > murderers at worst. Why bother with that mess of a country > anyway when Cuba is available? Another ignorant racist bastard
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amde@aol.com - 18 Sep 2006 21:08 GMT >> Try Mexico. The prices for surgery for outpatient procedures there are >> usually about 1/3 what they are in the US. > >Mexican doctors are known to be unethical on average, >murderers at worst. So are American Doctors.
Harvey R. Stone - 18 Sep 2006 14:31 GMT > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks. Please go to Cuba and have it done and come back here to tell us all about it. Oh,,,, you say that you can not afford the transportation cost to get there??? Are you sure they are taking people from the USA into their Communist system just to have a procedure done??? Do you think you can get a job to pay for this down there??? Do you expect the head of Cuba to dig into his 700 million in foreign banks to take care of you???? He does not do it for his own people and he is going to do it for you???? Let us know how you come out and do not think the sharks that eat people leaving Cuba will not see you floating in.
Harv
yubbers9@yahoo.com - 18 Sep 2006 19:47 GMT Everyone knows, you can get there cheaply from Florida. I'm not a big fan of communism, by any stretch, but everyone knows their health care system is top knotch. Mexico's meanwhile is bottom of the barrel, just like their immigrants.
Juba - 18 Sep 2006 19:57 GMT yubbers9@yahoo.com <yubbers9@yahoo.com> wrote in message: 1158605231.775812.94760@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com,
> Everyone knows, you can get there cheaply from Florida. > I'm not a big fan of communism, by any stretch, but everyone > knows their health care system is top knotch. Mexico's > meanwhile is bottom of the barrel, just like their immigrants. And you're a racist scumbag.
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Harvey R. Stone - 19 Sep 2006 02:09 GMT > yubbers9@yahoo.com <yubbers9@yahoo.com> wrote in message: > 1158605231.775812.94760@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > And you're a racist scumbag. If all you can add to a conversation, is to be another ignorant name calling BAS^&^%,,,, give it a rest.
Harv
Juba - 19 Sep 2006 05:29 GMT Harvey R. Stone <hrstone@swbell.net> wrote in message: VqHPg.2958$IA.1239@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com,
>> yubbers9@yahoo.com <yubbers9@yahoo.com> wrote in message: >> 1158605231.775812.94760@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Harv If you're going to let racists spout off and not challenge their racist comments, and then criticize me because you don't like the way I did it, then obviously your biggest concern is that you don't like me posting in "your" newsgroup. Too bad.
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Howard McCollister - 19 Sep 2006 11:55 GMT >> Harv > > If you're going to let racists spout off and not challenge their racist > comments, and then criticize me because you don't like the way I did it, > then obviously your biggest concern is that you don't like me posting in > "your" newsgroup. Too bad. Easier to just killfile you.
HMc
Shawn Hirn - 18 Sep 2006 18:24 GMT > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > of this health problem. In fact a lot of jobs are > closed to me now because of it. Before you pursue a solution outside the United States, you should definitely consult with any and all social service agencies. If you haven't done that, you certainly should.
Good luck!
sen.deepak@gmail.com - 18 Sep 2006 21:04 GMT Hi, I am an orthopaedic surgeon, I do a lot of Carpal Tunnel surgery, I f you can come to India i will do it for you. Dr. Deepak Sen
> Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Thanks. C. Massey - 18 Sep 2006 21:43 GMT > Hi, > I am an orthopaedic surgeon, I do a lot of Carpal Tunnel surgery, I f > you can come to India i will do it for you. > Dr. Deepak Sen Your name is Stan and you do phone support for Dell computers in India!
If you were a real orthopaedic (sic) surgeon, you would know how to spell your profession properly!
>> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> >> Thanks. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0637-2, 09/15/2006 Tested on: 9/18/2006 3:43:13 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com
Rod Speed - 18 Sep 2006 23:01 GMT > <sen.deepak@gmail.com> wrote
>> I am an orthopaedic surgeon, I do a lot of Carpal Tunnel surgery, If you can come to India i will >> do it for you. >> Dr. Deepak Sen
> Your name is Stan and you do phone support for Dell computers in India!
> If you were a real orthopaedic (sic) surgeon, you would know how to spell your profession > properly! Have fun explaining http://onelook.com/?w=orthopaedic&ls=a
>>> I have Carpal Tunnel Syndrome and need surgery, >>> but I have no health insurance because I am an American [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>> of this health problem. In fact a lot of jobs are >>> closed to me now because of it. barbie gee - 18 Sep 2006 23:14 GMT >> Hi, >> I am an orthopaedic surgeon, I do a lot of Carpal Tunnel surgery, I f [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If you were a real orthopaedic (sic) surgeon, you would know how to spell > your profession properly! it's a british spelling, which would make sense for him.
nothing at all wrong with "orthopaedic" <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+orthopaedic&btnG=Google+Search>
NWBluePenguin - 18 Sep 2006 23:28 GMT This is a reply to barbie gee, The Cabal, aka The Family, no longer controls ASC-P
Known as the Queen's English.
>>> Hi, >>> I am an orthopaedic surgeon, I do a lot of Carpal Tunnel surgery, I [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > nothing at all wrong with "orthopaedic" > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+orthopaedic&btnG=Google+Search> C. Massey - 18 Sep 2006 23:33 GMT >>> Hi, >>> I am an orthopaedic surgeon, I do a lot of Carpal Tunnel surgery, I f [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > nothing at all wrong with "orthopaedic" > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+orthopaedic&btnG=Google+Search> My bad I guess. I have never seen that spelling and my spell check also caught it, so I don't feel toooo bad.
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d'huit - 18 Sep 2006 23:47 GMT > On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, C. Massey wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > nothing at all wrong with "orthopaedic" > <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+orthopaedic&btnG=Google+Search> My bad I guess. I have never seen that spelling and my spell check also caught it, so I don't feel toooo bad.
***you must have "microsloth's" spellcheck.
kate (as do i, therefore, i know whereof i speak.)
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Joan Carter - 19 Sep 2006 00:04 GMT >My bad I guess. I have never seen that spelling and my spell check also >caught it, so I don't feel toooo bad. It's Canuck and British spelling, Kate. :-) --- Joan
d'huit - 19 Sep 2006 00:07 GMT On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:47:22 -0700, "d'huit" <threecedars1@comcast2.net> wrote in alt.support.arthritis:
>My bad I guess. I have never seen that spelling and my spell check also >caught it, so I don't feel toooo bad. It's Canuck and British spelling, Kate. :-) --- Joan
actually, joan, i've always spelled it that way and both my orthos spell it that way, too. but then, the state of washington abuts the canadian border.<smile>
kate
C. Massey - 19 Sep 2006 01:12 GMT >> On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, C. Massey wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > ***you must have "microsloth's" spellcheck. Actually, no, I don't have Microsoft's spellcheck.
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d'huit - 19 Sep 2006 06:04 GMT >>> <sen.deepak@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> news:1158609876.497235.93980@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > ***you must have "microsloth's" spellcheck. Actually, no, I don't have Microsoft's spellcheck.
geesh, didn't you notice the apostrophes around the word?
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C. Massey - 19 Sep 2006 13:54 GMT >>>> <sen.deepak@gmail.com> wrote in message >>>> news:1158609876.497235.93980@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > geesh, didn't you notice the apostrophes around the word? OK... I don't have "microsloth's" spellcheck.
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ruada - 18 Sep 2006 23:56 GMT >> Hi, >> I am an orthopaedic surgeon, I do a lot of Carpal Tunnel surgery, I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If you were a real orthopaedic (sic) surgeon, you would know how to > spell your profession properly! Try Sen and try the British spelling which is what they use in India. This was an Ugly American response (based on the film of the same name). Does not need a (sic) and you look very foolish for puting it there and not knowing it was indeed spelled correctly.
C. Massey - 19 Sep 2006 01:12 GMT >>> Hi, >>> I am an orthopaedic surgeon, I do a lot of Carpal Tunnel surgery, I [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > name). Does not need a (sic) and you look very foolish for puting it > there and not knowing it was indeed spelled correctly. I have already been scolded for my mistake you stupid a.s.
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ruada - 19 Sep 2006 22:17 GMT "C. Massey" <chuck@host.invalid> wrote in news:eCGPg.1906$TV3.578 @newssvr21.news.prodigy.com:
you obviously have no understanding hoe this medium works.
Amd are rather clueless besides.
Fire Chief - 20 Sep 2006 00:20 GMT > you obviously have no understanding hoe this medium works. > > Amd are rather clueless besides. You must have been looking in a mirror when you wrote that.
... Are you sure your sanity chip is fully in?
Anthony Matonak - 19 Sep 2006 04:38 GMT > "C. Massey" <chuck@host.invalid> wrote in >>If you were a real orthopaedic (sic) surgeon, you would know how to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > name). Does not need a (sic) and you look very foolish for puting it > there and not knowing it was indeed spelled correctly. This is the Ignorant Ugly American response but I will admit that the British do have a colourful language.
Anthony
ruada - 19 Sep 2006 22:19 GMT I'm ignorant for pointing out that British spellings are correct where the british dominated?
Then what are you?
Joan Carter - 18 Sep 2006 22:50 GMT >Hi, >I am an orthopaedic surgeon, I do a lot of Carpal Tunnel surgery, I f >you can come to India i will do it for you. Sure, oh, I forgot, I've already had both wrists done. Sorry. And you *do* know how to spell orthopaedic, although someone said you don't. --- Joan
d'huit - 18 Sep 2006 23:35 GMT On 18 Sep 2006 13:04:36 -0700, sen.deepak@gmail.com wrote in alt.support.arthritis:
>Hi, >I am an orthopaedic surgeon, I do a lot of Carpal Tunnel surgery, I f >you can come to India i will do it for you. Sure, oh, I forgot, I've already had both wrists done. Sorry. And you *do* know how to spell orthopaedic, although someone said you don't. --- Joan
i find all this fuss, about a word that is spelled correctly, mildly amusing.
personally, i'd be more concerned about an orthopaedic surgeon who has so much time on his hands that he can lurk in newsgroups and drum up business from overseas. afterall, the good surgeons are the ones who are too busy to "lurk and drum up" and most of those are even too busy to eat lunch.
kate
Ginnie - 19 Sep 2006 06:56 GMT Personally, I find the fuss to be generated by cross-posting. Whoever the OP was, the folks that responded to him should have cleaned up the address line waaaaay up front, before we attracted the hostility.
And I'm with kate: all this mess over a spelling lame?
Ginnie >^..^<
> i find all this fuss, about a word that is spelled correctly, mildly > amusing. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > kate
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