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Diane - 02 Sep 2006 01:24 GMT
Does anyone know of a site that would help me with this?
I DO actually know how to read music--the musical signs, notes etc. but
i am struggling in my new choir because i've never used music to sing
from before. in my old choir, we just got the words and learned the
music by  practicing over and over. now suddenly i have this music in
front of me and i don't know what note i'm supposed to be singing. i've
asked the woman on my right "how you know which is the alto part?" she
said she just guesses. i asked the woman on my left the same question.
she said it's different on every song. help! there must be a science to
this that i don't know about.

diane
d'huit - 02 Sep 2006 02:09 GMT
i don't know if yours is a mixed choir or not.  sooo i'll just guess.  i
believe the alto voice/part is the bottom-most women's note line of a
chart's/song's bar, (unless there is a contralto voice, which is almost
rare).  i believe, and someone can correct me (because i sang soprano), that
if there is a tenor voice/part, then the line of notes just above the
tenor's line is the alto part, just above that is second/mezzo soprano and
above that is 1st sop.  you can reverse that order to find the lower range
men's voices.

in my college's accapella madrigal (mixed)choir, our conductor generally
discreetly gave us "a" first note from the first bar (not everybody's/not
all the part's first notes and definitely not the chord).   we never knew
which voice's note he was going to give us, cuz he liked to challenge us
(the stinker!).  rather quickly, though, you learn to hear your note in the
first chord on the sheet or you learn to find your part's note from some
other part's note.  once you have the first note, reading and singing from a
chart is easy.

since you already know how to read music, the rest should be a snap for you,
sweetie.  don't worry.  you'll get the hang of it quickly.

kate

Does anyone know of a site that would help me with this?
I DO actually know how to read music--the musical signs, notes etc. but
i am struggling in my new choir because i've never used music to sing
from before. in my old choir, we just got the words and learned the
music by  practicing over and over. now suddenly i have this music in
front of me and i don't know what note i'm supposed to be singing. i've
asked the woman on my right "how you know which is the alto part?" she
said she just guesses. i asked the woman on my left the same question.
she said it's different on every song. help! there must be a science to
this that i don't know about.

diane
Carole - 02 Sep 2006 02:41 GMT
> Does anyone know of a site that would help me with this?
> I DO actually know how to read music--the musical signs, notes etc. but
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>
> diane

The alto part is generally the second staff, Diane. It goes soprano,
alto, tenor, bass. The staff should be marked at the beginning of the
piece, but sometimes it's not. If in doubt, ask the choir director,
that's what he/she gets paid for :)

Carole
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 02 Sep 2006 05:06 GMT
If there are two notes in the top staff, the bottom one is the alto. If
there are three, the bottom one is the alto. If there is one note, that's
the alto. Sometimes, just to keep us guessing, the alto notes will be above
the soprano notes, but this is rare and is always marked. The bottom staff
is for the tenor and bass. Bob doesn't read music either, but he's sung bass
for over 30 years. You can do this, Kiddo!

DeeTee

> Does anyone know of a site that would help me with this?
> I DO actually know how to read music--the musical signs, notes etc. but
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>
> diane
Diane - 02 Sep 2006 18:28 GMT
dee tee and others: very helpful. but what about when there are three
staffs (two treble and one bass?

diane
Nann Bell - 02 Sep 2006 21:25 GMT
> dee tee and others: very helpful. but what about when there are three
> staffs (two treble and one bass?
>
> diane

usually the second treble staff is alto and the bass clef staff is a baritone
line (mixed male voices, generally).  Other variations ARE possible though -
such as altos and sopranos singing the top line (especially if there are two
notes together on that line), tenors on the middle and basses on the bass
clef or altos and tenors combined singing the middle line.  That usually
depends on the structure of the piece or the balance of voices available.  
For the structure of the piece, it is usually identified at the beginning of
the piece, either alongside the staves or in directions & explanations with
the music.  If the director wants to distribute voices a particular way, s/he
should tell the choir that.

It can get even more complicated for the tenors, but we won't confuse you
with that right now!

You know,  when I busted my wrist, I realized I couldn't stay on Percocet the
whole time when I was at choir practice and couldn't read the music!  Having
learned to read music before reading words, I knew I was in trouble when I
couldn't tell if it was a G or an A.  Did much better that way on Vicodin!  
LOL

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DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 03 Sep 2006 02:57 GMT
Three staffs usually indicate an instrument being played with the voices,
i.e., a violin or flute. The instrument plays the top most staff, soprano
and alto get the middle staff, and tenor and bass get the basement staff.

DeeTee

> dee tee and others: very helpful. but what about when there are three
> staffs (two treble and one bass?
>
> diane
Diane - 03 Sep 2006 03:54 GMT
thank you! i think i'm getting it. i'm also coming to realize a lot of
people standing around me in the choir don't know their part either.

diane
Harvey R. Stone - 03 Sep 2006 14:24 GMT
> thank you! i think i'm getting it. i'm also coming to realize a lot of
> people standing around me in the choir don't know their part either.
>
> diane

Just my opinion on this,,,,, there is a little light that goes on in peoples
brains about reading and doing of music.    It is up to a really good choir
director to know where the dark spots in a choir are and teach accordingly.
I too am one of those people that need to learn their part but I am pretty
quick to tell the director that we have not gone over what is being sung.
I hope that you and yours can come to a meeting of the minds and move on
with the program.  It is also my opinion that to sing in a well run choir is
one of the most enjoyable group efforts in our world..
Harv
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 03 Sep 2006 14:40 GMT
You're welcome. ASK, ASK, ASK your choir director! He/she is supposed to be
DIRECTING. This means explaining things to those who don't understand, going
over parts with each voice section. I've sung in choirs since I was a little
tyke and directors are human like the rest of us. Some need to be instructed
how to do their job.

I'm a high soprano and have sung solo, duet, trio, quartet, octet, and
choir. I have had good directors and bad directors and sometimes no
directors. Keep at it 'cause it is SUCH a feeling of satisfaction when the
performance turns out right.

Luv Ya - DeeTee

> thank you! i think i'm getting it. i'm also coming to realize a lot of
> people standing around me in the choir don't know their part either.
>
> diane
Diane - 03 Sep 2006 14:48 GMT
i know you guys are right about asking the director. most of the songs,
though, are already very familiar to the choir and i hate to hold
everyone up for the newbie. but i WILL ask if he could just once each
song go over the alto part. i can tape it and learn it that way. i miss
the way my old choir did things.  :(

diane
Joan Carter - 03 Sep 2006 16:09 GMT
>You're welcome. ASK, ASK, ASK your choir director! He/she is supposed to be
>DIRECTING. This means explaining things to those who don't understand, going
>over parts with each voice section. I've sung in choirs since I was a little
>tyke and directors are human like the rest of us. Some need to be instructed
>how to do their job.

True, there are good directors and not so good. If you are lucky each section
will have one or more members who have true pitch and can always hit the note
dead on. I'm not one of those, I say alto, so can't always depend on the melody.
But as long as I got started okay I could read *pretty* well, but we depended on
those with true pitch, and the director to guide us. And I must say we made a
pretty awesome noise with practice, and that, of course, is the key (pun
intended) in anything we do. Enjoy the choir, singing is so much fun.
---
Joan
Joan Carter - 03 Sep 2006 17:17 GMT
> I say alto

Oops, I sang alto. :-)
---
Joan
ladylove77 - 02 Sep 2006 18:38 GMT
Diane, DeeTee gave you a very good, easy explanation.
Gwen

> If there are two notes in the top staff, the bottom one is the alto. If
> there are three, the bottom one is the alto. If there is one note, that's
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>> diane
 
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