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Is This Normal With a Gout Attack?

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alvinstraight38@hotmail.com - 31 Jul 2006 01:42 GMT
I have been dealing with my first gout attack since last Tuesday, and
there are no signs of improvement.  Although I have not been officially
diagnosed through testing, my doctor was certain that it was gout, and
I have all the classic signs.

The frustrating thing is my foot seems to be improving one part of the
day, then starts swelling up bad again.  Some times, I can walk almost
pain free, then other times, I can barely put pressure on it.

I've been taking a lot of Advil, rest, hot baths, and started on
cherries and cherry drink tonite.  It swelled up again, and is back to
being red and shiny on the big toe joint.  Is it normal to have this up
and down effect with an attack, or should I be progressively getting
better?
Harvey R. Stone - 31 Jul 2006 02:41 GMT
>I have been dealing with my first gout attack since last Tuesday, and
> there are no signs of improvement.  Although I have not been officially
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> and down effect with an attack, or should I be progressively getting
> better?

Diet has a great deal with controlling Gout and you get that from the same
doctor that is going to give you a prescription to control your gout.
Harv
Lee Babcock - 31 Jul 2006 05:15 GMT
> I have been dealing with my first gout attack since last Tuesday, and
> there are no signs of improvement.  Although I have not been officially
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> and down effect with an attack, or should I be progressively getting
> better?

This is not normal with gout if you have a doctor that is properly
treating you.  You should be on a powerful anti-inflammatory for ten
days, off the foot with it raised for two or three days to take care of
the current attack.
If your uric acid is high, you should be put on medication to control it
and also learn what foods to avoid.
I've been living with gout for 35 years with little problem except when
caused by eating liver or by trauma to the foot.
Regards
Lee
alvinstraight38@hotmail.com - 02 Aug 2006 15:22 GMT
Hi Lee,

I was given some prescriptions for anti-inflammatory.  I haven't filled
it yet because I read that the condition will go away on its own
without treatment.  However, it's been over a week now with absolutely
no signs of improvement. Are you saying that anytime I walk, I am
making the condition worse?  I don't want to miss work because of this,
but if it is the only way to fix the problem, I will.

> > I have been dealing with my first gout attack since last Tuesday, and
> > there are no signs of improvement.  Although I have not been officially
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> Regards
> Lee
Lee Babcock - 02 Aug 2006 19:41 GMT
> Hi Lee,
>
> I was given some prescriptions for anti-inflammatory.  I haven't filled
> it yet because I read that the condition will go away on its own
> without treatment.

The SYMPTOM will go away but the condition will never go away without
treatment.
 However, it's been over a week now with absolutely
> no signs of improvement. Are you saying that anytime I walk, I am
> making the condition worse?  I don't want to miss work because of this,
> but if it is the only way to fix the problem, I will.

You have uric acid, a thick liquid built up in your toe joint.  Left
alone, it will crystallize into what looks like chunks of rock salt.  It
will erode your toe/foot joints by abrasion, destroying first the
cartilage and then the bone.

The prescription you were given will reduce the inflammation and the
swelling, and keeping the foot up will allow the body to flush out the
uric acid.
Progressive attacks will usually be less painful, but will be doing more
damage, so this is not something to ignore.  Destruction of the toe
joints  can result in amputation of the toe and/or the front of the foot!

Once your current attack is over, your doctor should test your uric acid
level (a simple blood test) and you should go on preventative meds.
Gout is caused by either the body over manufacturing uric acid or the
kidneys under excreting it.  Drink lots of water!

BTW, uric acid is normal in the body and is caused by building new cells.
Preventative meds are of two types to cover the two conditions that I
mentioned.  Only way to see what your problem is with trial and error of
the two classes of meds.

Gout is NOT to be taken lightly!  Learn about it because you will have
it the rest of your life.

Hint on foods;  don't let the diet mongers scare you too much.  With
meds, you can eat just about anything except foods very high in purine.
 I stay away from liver, heart, but  eat shellfish on occasion.

And be prepared for the idiots that will say you are eating too much
rich foods (you will even hear this from some of the older doctors as
well).  Gout is mainly found in societies who historically have been
large consumers of red meat.

Have a look at:

> http://www.arthritis.ca/types%20of%20arthritis/gout/default.asp?s=1

Regards
Lee in Toronto
alvinstraight38@hotmail.com - 03 Aug 2006 15:17 GMT
Thanks for the good advice. Unfortunately, my gout seems to be
spreading as now both of my ankles get stiff, ache and burn.

Should I see a regular physician, or would a podiatrist be more
beneficial?

> > Hi Lee,
> >
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> Regards
> Lee in Toronto
Lee Babcock - 03 Aug 2006 15:37 GMT
> Thanks for the good advice. Unfortunately, my gout seems to be
> spreading as now both of my ankles get stiff, ache and burn.
>
> Should I see a regular physician, or would a podiatrist be more
> beneficial?

Any good GP should be able to help you with gout.  Also, time is of the
essence as it will take a bunch of it to get to a specialist.  A
podiatrist is the last doctor you should see for this.
Regards
Lee
Harvey R. Stone - 03 Aug 2006 17:41 GMT
> Thanks for the good advice. Unfortunately, my gout seems to be
> spreading as now both of my ankles get stiff, ache and burn.
>
> Should I see a regular physician, or would a podiatrist be more
> beneficial?

See a Rheumatologist....   an arthritis doctor.
Harv
Fire Chief - 03 Aug 2006 18:21 GMT
> Thanks for the good advice. Unfortunately, my gout seems to be
> spreading as now both of my ankles get stiff, ache and burn.
>
> Should I see a regular physician, or would a podiatrist be more
> beneficial?

A podiatrist is a foot doctor.

You have one of the 100+ forms of arthritis.

You should see a rheumatologist (RD or rheumy) - a specialist in
the diagnosis and treatment of arthritis.  Until you can make an
appointment with with the RD, your current regular doctor would
be better than a podiatirst.

... Chocolate:  The next best thing to.....(well, you know.)
Cindy - 07 Aug 2006 22:46 GMT
Could you possible be suffering psuedogout....and if you are...then your
diet will not help at all...The test for that is to drain the fluid from
your joint and have it tested. It will show calcium crystals in your joint
instead of uric acid...
But the meds are the same..Cochlicine I believe is the name...psuedogout is
just as painful, but seems to hit your larger joints...like ankles and
knees...The doctor drains the fluid from my joints and injects them with
steroids...The magic shot....this reallly helps...

Hope that you feel better soon.
Hugs Cindy
So maybe you can see a rhuematologist and have them run the test...I know
without money or insurance...that is hard...

> Thanks for the good advice. Unfortunately, my gout seems to be
> spreading as now both of my ankles get stiff, ache and burn.
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> > Regards
> > Lee in Toronto
Fire Chief - 02 Aug 2006 17:41 GMT
> I have been dealing with my first gout attack since last Tuesday, and
> there are no signs of improvement.  Although I have not been officially
> diagnosed through testing, my doctor was certain that it was gout, and
> I have all the classic signs.

Has that doctor run through the blood tests to detect the level of
uric acid in your system?

>  Is it normal to have this up and down effect with an attack, or should I be progressively > getting better?

Many (most) with gout experience up and down effects until it's
properly diagnosed and the patient is on a correct diet.

Have you scanned past posts in this group re: gout?  Have you visited
the Arthritis Foundation's site for clues/hints?

... Chocolate:  The other major food group.
alvinstraight38@hotmail.com - 02 Aug 2006 18:08 GMT
> > I have been dealing with my first gout attack since last Tuesday, and
> > there are no signs of improvement.  Although I have not been officially
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>  Has that doctor run through the blood tests to detect the level of
> uric acid in your system?

No not yet.  My health insurance doesn't kick in until Aug. 15 so I am
trying to wait till then, but this pain has been extremely miserable.

> >  Is it normal to have this up and down effect with an attack, or should I be progressively > getting better?
>
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>  Have you scanned past posts in this group re: gout?  Have you visited
> the Arthritis Foundation's site for clues/hints?

I've read several posts and websites, and I really don't see any
consistent information.  Some sites state that diet has little effect
on the disease.  I just tried a new tactic of bending the joint back
and forth to break up the crystals.  Probably a bad idea.

> ... Chocolate:  The other major food group.
 
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