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My son has Psoriatic Arthritis

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Candace Filip - 27 Jun 2006 23:16 GMT
After 10 months of pain and agony, my son was finally diagnosed with
Psoriatic Arthritis.  He is to the point that he can barely walk, then only
with a cane.  He has been living with this for so long, but then you all
know what that is all about.  I am so mad at all the doctors he saw during
that time.  He was told he only wanted drugs to he was faking.

The doctor is putting him on Humeria, starting tomorrow.  Does anyone know
of any aid that he can get to help with this med?  He has insurance, but the
co-pay is going to wipe him out.  Also what are the results?

I guess we just need the support of a much more knowledgeable group. I know
that can happen here.  A while ago I was diagnosed with diabetes, and the
newsgroup kept me sane and healthy.  If it hadn't been for them, who knows.

If anyone can give us some information and what is best for this 26 year
old.  I am just heartbroken for him.  I wish I could take it from him and
let him live his life.
ladylove77 - 27 Jun 2006 23:52 GMT
Candace.  Sorry about your son's problem, and you too have my sympathy.  A
child's pain is a mother's pain also.
I just have OA so can't help you any.  I'm sure others will be along to give
you their experience.
Gwen

> After 10 months of pain and agony, my son was finally diagnosed with
> Psoriatic Arthritis.  He is to the point that he can barely walk, then
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> old.  I am just heartbroken for him.  I wish I could take it from him and
> let him live his life.
Jennifer Massey-Howe - 28 Jun 2006 02:14 GMT
Not sure where you are at, I am in the US.  If his medical condition is that
bad then tell him to apply for SSI.  That should help take care of him and
help him with his medical needs.

Jennifer

> After 10 months of pain and agony, my son was finally diagnosed with
> Psoriatic Arthritis.  He is to the point that he can barely walk, then
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> old.  I am just heartbroken for him.  I wish I could take it from him and
> let him live his life.
Ralph - 28 Jun 2006 02:18 GMT
Candace I am sorry for your son's troubles but there is hope, once they
get the diagnosis right things begin to improve rapidly. Can't say I
have any help to offer on the insurance side. If you let your Dr. know
the costs are a real burden they might be willing to try a cheaper
alternative like methotrexate. I was diagnosed with PA better than ten
years ago (at 40) but once I started methotrexate I haven't looked back.
I was able to return to work once the swelling cleared up and have never
had anything really bother me. I've been able to move all over the world
and stay active. A couple of years ago my Dr. started me on a mix of
Methotrexate and Humaria. The Humaria didn't work for me so I am now on
a mix of Methotrexate and Embril and still humming along.

The short answer is have faith and keep a positive attitude. Work with
your Rheumatologist, the right selection of drug treatments is out there.

Ralph
Candace Filip - 28 Jun 2006 02:28 GMT
Thank you for all your kind words.  I knew this was the place to come.
Brandon will be getting his first shot tomorrow morning, so I am hoping this
will be the first step up.

Thank you for your support.

Cande
Nann Bell - 28 Jun 2006 03:52 GMT
Hi Candace,

I can speak specifically to Humira - I'm on one of the earlier biologic meds,
Enbrel.  But, I too have psoriatic arthritis (aka: PA or PsA)  Mine first hit
me bigtime when I was 28 so I know how your son feels about having something
like this hit when so young.  The good news is that PA often takes a
different course than RA and can even go into remission, or near remission,
after bad outbreaks.  That happened with me - at one point my rheumatologist
(RD) fully expected me to be wheelchair bound, unable to hold a pen within a
year (he didn't tell me this until later, after it didn't happen!).  Instead
it slowly calmed down over a period of several years and I had 6 or 7 years
in the 90s when I was doing well on just ibuprofen before it went nuts on me
again.

Meanwhile, I gather the doctor he is now seeing is a rheumatologist?  A
diagnosis of PA is pretty unusual from any other kind of doc, except maybe a
derm - same with prescribing Humira.  But just in case he isn't seeing an RD,
he needs to be.  They know far more about this stuff than other docs.

Some other folks here have been put on humira, mostly for rheumatoid
arthritis.  They may be along to tell you more about it, but you can also
search Google groups for posts on humira on alt.support.arthritis and you'll
find earlier discussions about it that might help.

As to cost, there really isn't any help out there for folks who have some
prescription insurance but are hit hard by the co-pays on the fancy, newer
meds.  It would be a good idea for him to let his doctor know that the
co-pays will be hard on him - they might be able to try a different
medication.  Depending on where you live, there might even be some clinical
trial in the area that he be part of to get the medication.  I've found most
docs understand medication costs are a burden for patients in the US these
days and they do what they can to help.

You might also want to ask on alt.support.skin-diseases.psoriasis - there are
many knowledgeable folks there, though the group isn't nearly as busy as this
one.  Also the National Psoriasis Foundation (website is www.psoriasis.org)
is a wonderful resource for information about PA and psoriasis.
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Lindy - 28 Jun 2006 13:02 GMT
Hi Candace.  I have some idea of how hard your son's diagnosis is as I was
diagnosed with RA at the age of 17.  It hit me like a ton of bricks the day
after I rolled my car off the freeway.  I blamed the accident for a long
time afterwards but, looking back, I can see the signs that it was there a
year or two before that.  Couldn't straighten my elbow, my hips were
terribly achey once in awhile, and one of my ankles would just be killing me
halfway into my waitressing shift.

It took about a year to get the diagnosis and when I did, I absolutely
couldn't believe it.  It was a year of complete turmoil because I couldn't
accept the fact that my life would never be the same again.  I was very
angry with the old "it's not fair" routine.  I've been diabetic since the
age of 5 and here was *something else* that made me different.... blah blah
blah.

Eventually I worked through all of that and accepted it.  Once I did, life
got back to normal, at least emotionally, and I found different ways of
doing things.  Like opening swinging doors with my butt or my arms instead
of my hands.  Or learning to wash my face with one hand instead of two.  And
getting an electric toothbrush instead of struggling with a manual.

As a mom, we always want to protect our kids.  My mom still struggles with
my disabilities and I'm 51 years old!  But it is what it is and there is
nothing that is going to take it away.  That's the bottom line and the best
thing you and your son can do is to find  a way to accept it and then go on
from there.  I wish I had some magic words that would make you feel better
but I don't; only honesty.

  ~Lindy~ who took her first Humira injection yesterday
  WOOOO HOOOOOO!!
Charrlygrl1 - 28 Jun 2006 15:46 GMT
Hi Candace,

I'm sorry about your son's diagnosis. I have one of the
spondyloarthropathies, and it can be very hard, and very painful.

I do have this link and Humira is on there. Though I have no idea
exactly what help they can offer you.

http://www.rheumatology.org/public/acrast.asp?aud=pat

Good luck to you both,
Char
Candace Filip - 28 Jun 2006 20:12 GMT
Once again, I want to thank all for their kindness and good wishes.  Brandon
is seeing a rheumatologist, who actually has psoriasis.  Not sure if he has
PsA, but...

Brandon got the shot today, actually gave it to himself.  Said it was a
little scary, but not so bad. I will keep all posted as to his progress.

Cande
Lindy - 28 Jun 2006 22:07 GMT
Cande said:

> Once again, I want to thank all for their kindness and good wishes.
>Brandon is seeing a rheumatologist, who actually has psoriasis.  Not
>sure if he has PsA, but...
>
> Brandon got the shot today, actually gave it to himself.  Said it was a
> little scary, but not so bad. I will keep all posted as to his progress.

Cande, I just got something in the mail on the Humira and noticed that on
the back of the pamphlet there is a statement that says "As the maker of
Humira, Abbott is proud to participate in the Partnership for Prescription
Assistance, which helps uninsured patients get access to the prescriptions
they need".  I know you said your son has insurance but he might still be
eligible depending on how much coverage he has.  I didn't read everything on
their site but did see that they have programs for not only uninsured but
also UNDERinsured.  It might be worth  try to check it out.  The website
with more info about this PPA program is:

https://www.pparx.org/Intro.php

  ~Lindy~
Squirrely - 29 Jun 2006 16:57 GMT
Dont have any answers for you. But wanted you to know I feel for you. I know
how it is with a child that has medical problems. I wish the best for all of
you and will keep you in my thoughts.

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> After 10 months of pain and agony, my son was finally diagnosed with
> Psoriatic Arthritis.  He is to the point that he can barely walk, then
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> old.  I am just heartbroken for him.  I wish I could take it from him and
> let him live his life.
Plantmistress - 29 Jun 2006 21:26 GMT
Candace,

You sound like my mom - she said the same things when I was diagnosed
with PA.  I am only 30 and was diagnosed last October, so I totally
understand what you & your son are going through.  I work as a legal
secretary, and my PA was attacking the joints in my fingers & hands.
My insurance refused to pay for Enbrel &/or Humira when I was first
diagnosed.  I had to try Methotrexate (MTX), which is cheaper, first &
have it fail to control my illness before I could re-apply for any of
the biologics (cheapskates!).  Fortunately (or unfortunately, depending
on your perspective), the MTX cleared up my Psoriasis, but did nothing
for my PA.  In March, my insurance company had no choice but to let me
get the Humira (I am allergic to sulfa drugs, which are components of
most of the other inexpensive PA meds).  Humira has been a miracle for
me (YMMV).  As of now, I have no signs of P or PA.  The swelling in my
joints is gone & I feel better than I have in quite a while.  I am
still taking MTX, since it helps the Humira work better.  My RD is
slowly lowering the amount of MTX I am taking, though, hoping that I
can quit it completely.

I think there is a link (or phone number) on the Humira website for
patients who need assistance paying for their medication.  I'm sorry I
didn't respond to your email earlier, I have been away on vacation.

Please let your son know that he is not alone & that he shouldn't give
up hope.  Scientists & Doctors are learning more about P & PA every
day, which is leading to more & better treatment options.  You have
come to the right place to find people with good ideas & experience
dealing with what Arthritis can do to your life.  Please let me know if
I can be of any other help.

HTH,

Plantmistress (Shannon)

> After 10 months of pain and agony, my son was finally diagnosed with
> Psoriatic Arthritis.  He is to the point that he can barely walk, then only
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> old.  I am just heartbroken for him.  I wish I could take it from him and
> let him live his life.
Fire Chief - 06 Jul 2006 02:03 GMT
> After 10 months of pain and agony, my son was finally diagnosed with
> Psoriatic Arthritis.  He is to the point that he can barely walk, then only
> with a cane.

> The doctor is putting him on Humeria, starting tomorrow.  Does anyone know
> of any aid that he can get to help with this med?  He has insurance, but the
> co-pay is going to wipe him out.  Also what are the results?

Is he eligible for SSDI -- social security disability insurance?
Persons who have worked and become disabled before age
31 are eligible with fewer qualifying quarters than older workers.
Military service, if any, counts towards those qualifying quarters.

SSI - supplemental security income?

Medicare (MediCal in California)?

The latter 2 are "welfare" benefits and have income and assets
limits.  SSDI is NOT welfare - it has been earned by working,
has no assets limit and a $600 or higher monthly income limit.

... Apathists of the world ... ... ahh, forget it!
Nanny - 06 Jul 2006 20:33 GMT
Chief, could you give me a brief synopsis on what exactly is psoriatic
arthritis?  My doctor mentioned it to me the last time I was there.  I keep
associating it with a skin problem/rash, but I have the feeling it is much
more than that.  Nanny

>> After 10 months of pain and agony, my son was finally diagnosed with
>> Psoriatic Arthritis.  He is to the point that he can barely walk, then
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>
> ... Apathists of the world ... ... ahh, forget it!
Fire Chief - 07 Jul 2006 07:19 GMT
> Chief, could you give me a brief synopsis on what exactly is psoriatic
> arthritis?  My doctor mentioned it to me the last time I was there.  I keep
> associating it with a skin problem/rash, but I have the feeling it is much
> more than that.  Nanny

I have only a very brief description from TABER's Cyclopedic Medical
Dictionary borrowed from Mary's desk.

   psoriatic arthritis:  arthritis associated with psoriasis.  The
exacerbations
   and remissions of arthritic symptoms do not always parallel those
of
   psoriasis.  "Sausage-shaped" deformities of the fingers and toes
are
   often present.

The portion on psoriasis states that about 5% of those patients do
develop inflammatory arthritis.

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Nanny - 07 Jul 2006 22:18 GMT
Thank you, Chief.  I do have inflammatory Arthritis, but don't believe it's
the type your son has.  Nanny

>> Chief, could you give me a brief synopsis on what exactly is psoriatic
>> arthritis?  My doctor mentioned it to me the last time I was there.  I
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>
> ... Chocolate (n.):   See Ambrosia
Fire Chief - 07 Jul 2006 23:25 GMT
> Thank you, Chief.  I do have inflammatory Arthritis, but
> don't believe it's the type your son has.  Nanny

My sons don't have arthritis.  Candace made the original
post about her son and PsA.

... Chocoholic:  If found unconscious, administer IV of Hershey's
syrup!
Pope Pie (Sy Lehrman) - 08 Jul 2006 03:37 GMT
>> Thank you, Chief.  I do have inflammatory Arthritis, but
>> don't believe it's the type your son has.  Nanny
>
> My sons don't have arthritis.  Candace made the original
> post about her son and PsA.

I have asked before, but I will again.  There is a movie that deals, in
part, with portiatic arthritis.  It is called "the Singing Detective" and
was made in Britain in the eighties by an interesting fellow who weaves
together a number of narrative threads of biography, fantasy, and dreams.  I
would be curious to know if anyone has seen it and would like to render an
opinion on the PsA part of the tale, which is, in short, that our hero is
first encountered in a hospital bed all but imobile taking prednisone and
getting rubbed down with some greasy preparation a couple of times a day.
As he gets better the story appears to become coherent and optiomistic.  It
was made as a five part drama for the TV but has been released on DVD.
Nann Bell - 13 Jul 2006 05:42 GMT
On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 22:37:58 -0400, Pope Pie \(Sy Lehrman\) wrote
(in message <INWdnTwAOoXjhzLZnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@rapidnet.com>):

> I have asked before, but I will again.  There is a movie that deals, in
> part, with portiatic arthritis.  It is called "the Singing Detective" and
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> As he gets better the story appears to become coherent and optiomistic.  It
> was made as a five part drama for the TV but has been released on DVD.

what aspect are you looking for opinions on?  I've only seen the movie from
part way through, when it was shown on a cable channel during some free
weekend or such.  But what I did see seemed to imply a fair amount of his
horrific Ps and PsA flare was psychological.  That part ticked me off
bigtime.  And I wasn't that impressed with their rendering of Ps lesions in
makeup, but that's comparing them to my own lesions.

Meanwhile, I found the crippling feeling of PA fairly well rendered, I
suppose.  Of course, as we know all too wel, the problem with inflammatory
arthritsi is that you can be in great pain and feel like & crap but still
look "well" to most others.  I don't know how one conveys all those
intricacies in amovie though.

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Nanny - 08 Jul 2006 13:46 GMT
Oops, again.  Thank you for being so patient when I was corresponding with
the wrong person ;-)  Nanny

>> Thank you, Chief.  I do have inflammatory Arthritis, but
>> don't believe it's the type your son has.  Nanny
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> ... Chocoholic:  If found unconscious, administer IV of Hershey's
> syrup!
Fire Chief - 08 Jul 2006 16:05 GMT
> Oops, again.  Thank you for being so patient when I was
> corresponding with the wrong person ;-)  Nanny

Wasn't the first time.

Happens all the time.

Won't be the last time.  <g>

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Fire Chief - 07 Jul 2006 18:29 GMT
> Chief, could you give me a brief synopsis on what exactly is psoriatic
> arthritis?

 Here is some more that I was able to dig up:

     Psoriatic arthrits is a chronic inflammatory disease of the
     joints and skin.  An estimated 1 million people in the U.S.
     suffer from PsA.

     PsA seems to affect men at a slightly higher percentage
     than women.  If you are experiencing joint pain, stiffness,
     and swelling, and have skin lesions (raised red or silvery
     patches), it is possible that you have PsA.

 References:

   1.  National Psoriasis Foundation

<http://www.psoriasis.org/about/psa/?phpsessid=639f5a2675cd51404387db20eddbf60>

  2.   http://www.psoriasis.org/about/stats/

  3.  http://www.psoriasis.org/about/faq/

  4.  Mease P.   Diagnosis and treatment of psoriatic arthritis
      Journal Acad Dermatol.   2005;  52:1-19

  5.  The Use of TNF Antagonists in Rheumatic Diseases Other
      Than Rheumatoid Arthritis  Available at
<http://www.arthritis.org/research/bulletin/vol51no12/psoriaticarthritis.asp>

  7.  Psoriatic arthritis:  Signs and symptoms.  Mayo Clinic.
<http://www.mayoclinic.com/invoke.cfm?objectid=91BACD0E-0792-44DD-9005DD8966E2754
B&section=2
>

  6.  What Causes Psoriatic Arthritis?
        http://dermnetnz.org/scaly/psoriatic-arthritis.html

  8.  Gladman DD,  Antoni C,  Mease P,  et al.  Psoriatic arthritis:
       epidemiology, clinical features, course, and outcome.
       Am  Rheum Dis.  2005: 64(Supl II):ii14-ii17

  9.  National Psoriasis foundation
  http://www.psoriasis.org/about/psa/tests.php

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Nanny - 08 Jul 2006 13:45 GMT
The skin lesions are what I DON'T have.  Thanks again for the information.
I feel for your son - and you.  Nanny
>> Chief, could you give me a brief synopsis on what exactly is psoriatic
>> arthritis?
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>
> ...  Bunnies hopping backward = a receding hareline.
Nann Bell - 13 Jul 2006 05:42 GMT
> The skin lesions are what I DON'T have.  Thanks again for the information.
> I feel for your son - and you.  Nanny

the skin lesions sometimes do not appear until after the person has psoriatic
arthritis for some time.  That is one of the things that has caused much
confusion about PsA.  Also, you might have some small spot of psoriasis
somewhere that you've never even considered might be that.  Such was the case
with someone I knew in Florida whose Ps was just a tiny spot in one place
that her RD found after much searching in his quest to pin down the horrible
situation that had developed in one finger.

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Nann Bell - 13 Jul 2006 05:42 GMT
> Chief, could you give me a brief synopsis on what exactly is psoriatic
> arthritis?  My doctor mentioned it to me the last time I was there.  I keep
> associating it with a skin problem/rash, but I have the feeling it is much
> more than that.  Nanny

Nanny, you can find out more about psoriatic arthritis at the website for the
National Psoriasis Foundation, www.psoriasis.org.  I like their presentation
of it much better than that of the Arthritis Foudnation.  It is another type
of auto-immune, inflammatory arthritis, generally associated with psoriasis,
but it gets more complicated from there.

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Lee O. - 07 Jul 2006 01:57 GMT
>SSI - supplemental security income?

>  Medicare (MediCal in California)?

>  The latter 2 are "welfare" benefits and
> have income and assets limits.

Correction Chief,

Medicare is for folks over 65 years of age, NOT welfare. It is paid with
a mandatory payroll deduction.

I think you meant Medicaid.

Cheers        Lee O.
Fire Chief - 07 Jul 2006 03:37 GMT
> Correction Chief,
> Medicare is for folks over 65 years of age,

And those on SSDI.

> NOT welfare. It is paid with a mandatory payroll deduction.
> I think you meant Medicaid.

You are correct.  I confused those two in that paragraph.

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Tina - 08 Jul 2006 12:18 GMT
> After 10 months of pain and agony, my son was finally diagnosed with
> Psoriatic Arthritis.  He is to the point that he can barely walk, then only
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> old.  I am just heartbroken for him.  I wish I could take it from him and
> let him live his life.
 
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