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Lindy - 13 Jun 2006 23:57 GMT
Just wondering what Humira users experiences have been?  I've had RA since
1973, been on tons and tons of different meds for these last 33 years, the
latest Methotrexate, Arava and Celebrex.

Something weird started happening with my hair about a year ago - the hair
loss was bad enough but my hair was kinking up real bad and that was almost
worse - and I finally woke to the fact that something was really wrong.  Saw
a dermatologist who said it was probably an overload of one of the meds, the
rheumatologist agreed and took me off the Arava since that was the one I had
been on the least amount of time (have used the Methotrexate for years and
years).  I've been off the Arava for over a month now and my arthritis is
really flaring and my hands are just a mess.

The doc said he was going to try me on one of the newest injectibles and
would start working with the insurance company to get the necessary
approval.  I just got a notice in the mail showing it to be Humira.  On the
one hand I'm grateful that this will be happening soon  but on the other
hand I'm scared of the new meds. I'm not scared of needles as I've been
diabetic most of my life, mainly just scared of the side effects.  I'd be
interested in knowing how you Humira users feel about it and what I might
expect.  Also, do you still take the other meds with the Humira?  I'd love
nothing more than to do away with the Methotrexate and Celebrex as there has
been no change in the texture of my hair since dropping the Arava, making me
think it wasn't the culprit after all.  Aaaaaaarrrrrgh!

Anyway, I'd appreciate hearing your thoughts and experiences with it.  Many
thanks!

  ~Lindy~
Rosemarie Shiver - 14 Jun 2006 03:07 GMT
 Although I'm new on it, just having had it once so far, I'm a fan. the one
shot  has turned down my inflammation to a dull roar rather than a 4 alarm
fire.

  I'm still taking MTX once a week and will continue to be because my liver
panel comes back fine every time. I used to take Bextra; Celebrex has done
nothing for me. I've had the Dx of connective tissue disease for about 9
months now.

  Many of us use Grape Seed Extract for our hair. In fact, I take it twice
a day to prevent any hair problems. It's OTC and you can find it in most
drugstores, at GNC, Sam's, Costco and in some grocery stores, as well. I
suggest you give it a try...it's worth it.

HTH!

Hugs from Rosie

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> Just wondering what Humira users experiences have been?  I've had RA since
> 1973, been on tons and tons of different meds for these last 33 years, the
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>    ~Lindy~
ladylove77 - 14 Jun 2006 04:29 GMT
I don't use Humira but do use grape seed extrtact.  Take 100 mg. daily, and
found the 100 mg tablets at Sam's I think.  Used to be able to get only the
50 mg so had to take it twice a day, or two pills at once.  It surely has
helped me with much less loss of hair.
Gwen

>  Although I'm new on it, just having had it once so far, I'm a fan. the
> one
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>>    ~Lindy~
Lindy - 14 Jun 2006 14:00 GMT
Rosie said:

>    Many of us use Grape Seed Extract for our hair. In fact, I take it
> twice a day to prevent any hair problems. It's OTC and you can find
>it in most drugstores, at GNC, Sam's, Costco and in some grocery
> stores, as well. I suggest you give it a try...it's worth it.

Someone here suggested that and Bioten about a month ago.  I was only able
to find the Bioten and have been taking it since then.  Every morning when I
take it, I tell myself to call around for the Grape Seed Extract but by the
time the stores open I'm busy around the house and forget.  I'll have to do
that today.  Thanks Rosie!

  ~Lindy~
Nann Bell - 17 Jun 2006 04:02 GMT
>   Although I'm new on it, just having had it once so far, I'm a fan. the one
> shot  has turned down my inflammation to a dull roar rather than a 4 alarm
> fire.

That is so good to hear, Rosie!  Isn't it wonderful when you feel a new med
kicking in - wonderful and scary as you don't want to mess it up or jinx it
or anything!  LOL  

May it keep getting better.

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Plantmistress - 14 Jun 2006 16:51 GMT
Lindy -

I have been on Humira since March 22 (a landmark day for me!).  I
haven't had any negative side effects (except that the medicine burns
when injected).  It is a miracle for me.  It put my PA in remission &
finished off the P lesions that the MTX didn't get.  I am still taking
MTX, but a lesser dose.  My RD hopes to be able to taper me off the MTX
totally over the course of the next few months.  Even though I haven't
had any liver troubles, he is concerned about continuing to use the MTX
because of my age (I'm 30) & because I want to have children someday.
I imagine they will keep you on the MTX for a while after you start
Humira - apparently, the two meds increase one another's ability to
fight off the inflammation (at least that's what my RD told me).  Once
you are established, maybe they can step you down off it.

FWIW, I was not having any troubles with excessive hair loss, but some
of my hair had started to change texture (went from thick, straight,
smooth hair to kinky & wiry), but that was while my P was out of
control & before the MTX or Humira.  I think it may have had something
to do with either the flakes obscuring the hair follicles, or the
anti-dandruff (& P) meds affecting them, in my case.

Good luck with the Humira - I hope it works for you!

Shannon/Plantmistress

> Just wondering what Humira users experiences have been?  I've had RA since
> 1973, been on tons and tons of different meds for these last 33 years, the
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>
>    ~Lindy~
Mert461 - 14 Jun 2006 18:05 GMT
Hi.  I was on Humira for almost a year when I started loosing sight in
my left eye.  It was like having a gray spot in the center of my
vision.  I went to my eye doctor, who then sent me to a retina
specialist at the Univ of Michigan.  They diagnosed me with vasculitis
of the retina.  I went through dozens of tests to see what caused it.
All were negative except for tests associated with Lupus (I have RA &
SJS).  My Rheumy talked to the Abbott people and determined that the
Humira was the culprit.  In the meantime I had to have steroids
injected into my eye.  I was taken off Humira and within 6 months my
labs for Lupus returned to normal.

I don't want to scare you.  I think my reaction was very rare.  I've
also had RA for 30 years and have been on every medicine out there.
I'm now waiting for permission from my insurance company to take
Rituxan.

Donna
Lindy - 14 Jun 2006 18:22 GMT
Donna said:

> I don't want to scare you.  I think my reaction was very rare.  I've
> also had RA for 30 years and have been on every medicine out there.
> I'm now waiting for permission from my insurance company to take
> Rituxan.

I'm already scared without having talked with anyone about it.  Mainly
because of new drugs touted to be wonder drugs then later being pulled
because of serious effects or death (Viox, then the Celebrex scare, - and
what was that other one -- Phen Phen? which my mom was using).  I'm not
panic stricken but scared enough to want to know what people actually using
them think and whether they are helping.  I dunno, I'm just soooooo sick of
taking pills anyway and then we're always adding another then another.  It's
just frustrating sometimes.  But like always, I'll get over my little pity
party and go back to life as usual.  :-)  Thanks Donna.

  ~Lindy~
Mert461 - 14 Jun 2006 22:45 GMT
> I'm already scared without having talked with anyone about it.  Mainly
> because of new drugs touted to be wonder drugs then later being pulled
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>
>    ~Lindy~

Glad I didn't scare you too much Lindy.  I can certainly appreciate
your frustration with taking pills.  I'm taking 7 different
prescriptions!  If I go on Rituxan, I get to drop one, and later
another, if all goes well.  I'm a little scared of trying Rituxan.  I
had a huge reaction to Remicade, & Rituxan is an infusion also.  But,
on my side is the fact that my son took Rituxan for his autoimmune
blood disorder and it put him into remission.  I'm hoping it will do
the same for me.

On the hair issue, mine has also gone from being board straight in my
teenage and young adult years to wavy.  I don't attribute it to any of
my drugs though.  My hair stylist said my gray is growing in curly.
Maybe it's the drugs causing that though.  Who knows?  I don't think
anyone really knows what these drugs can cause.  I'm also very thin on
top.  I have fine hair which makes it even more noticeable that I have
thin hair.  I've had to cut my below shoulder-length hair to about at
the ear to wear a style that I can do the famous "comb over".  Ugh!
You know what they said, it it ain't one thing, it's another!

Donna
Lindy - 15 Jun 2006 00:21 GMT
Donna said:

> Glad I didn't scare you too much Lindy.  I can certainly appreciate
> your frustration with taking pills.  I'm taking 7 different
> prescriptions!

Tell me about it!  Besides the diabetes and the RA, I've also got a
pituitary problem which affected my hormones and my thyroid.  Add all those
meds up and I finally went to the hardware store and bought myself damn near
a small tackle box to throw all the pills in to keep them straight.  Well
I'm exaggerating here (grin), it was just a clear plastic box with tabs you
could stick in to make compartments but it sure did resemble a tackle box
once I got through with it!

>My hair stylist said my gray is growing in curly.
> Maybe it's the drugs causing that though.  Who knows?  I don't think
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> the ear to wear a style that I can do the famous "comb over".  Ugh!
> You know what they said, it it ain't one thing, it's another!

Haaaaaaaaa!  Absolutely!

  ~Lindy~
Duckie - 15 Jun 2006 06:10 GMT
I got a 4 week series of Rituxan last May [think that is right] and it
put the Remicade I take back into control. I also take Arava and
prednisone and a slew more. I think the total is up to 21 scripts now.
It took about 2 months for the Rituxan to finally kick in and it has
been clear sailing since then.
Duckie

 Glad I didn't scare you too much Lindy.  I can certainly appreciate
> your frustration with taking pills.  I'm taking 7 different
> prescriptions!  If I go on Rituxan, I get to drop one, and later
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>
> Donna
Mert461 - 15 Jun 2006 21:00 GMT
> I got a 4 week series of Rituxan last May [think that is right] and it
> put the Remicade I take back into control. I also take Arava and
> prednisone and a slew more. I think the total is up to 21 scripts now.
> It took about 2 months for the Rituxan to finally kick in and it has
> been clear sailing since then.
> Duckie

Duckie,

Sorry to hear you're the Queen of Iritis, but being a Queen of
something is good, isn't it? <g>   A friend went with me to the eye
clinic when I got the injections and she couldn't believe I sat there
and didn't scream or anything.  They really weren't that bad, but when
I did get outside I did say a few bad words!

Did you have any problems with the Rituxan?  Did they give you steroids
with it?  Since I had a reaction to Remicade my doctor said I would
need steroids IV before they start the Rituxan.  Something has got to
help.  I did really well on Humira until that whole eye thing made me
stop it.  I asked my Rheumy if I could go back on it because I felt
really well.  She said NOOOOO!  I'm on Cellcept as my main
immunosuppressant along with the MTX and Prednisone and they're not
helping much.  I have to get a steroid shot IM about every 3 months.

Thanks for the info on Rituxan Duckie and Lindy good luck with Humira.
Donna
Harvey R. Stone - 15 Jun 2006 21:15 GMT
I asked my Rheumy if I could go back on it because I felt
> really well.  She said NOOOOO!  I'm on Cellcept as my main
> immunosuppressant along with the MTX and Prednisone and they're not
> helping much.  I have to get a steroid shot IM about every 3 months.
>
> Thanks for the info on Rituxan Duckie and Lindy good luck with Humira.
> Donna

Hi Donna,,,,   Has your RD told you why you can not go back on a DMARD that
worked really well????
Did you have a reaction to it?
Harv
Mert461 - 16 Jun 2006 00:37 GMT
> I asked my Rheumy if I could go back on it because I felt
> > really well.  She said NOOOOO!  I'm on Cellcept as my main
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> Did you have a reaction to it?
> Harv

Harv,

I can't go back on it because of how it caused vasculitis in my eye.
The eye doctor said my vision was at 300/20 before the steroid shot.
He said my sight is much more important than my joints.  I guess I was
on my way to being blind in that eye.  They took pictures of my retina
and it was interesting to see how the vessels were bleeding and it was
leaking into the retina.  So no more Humira for me.

As for Remicade, I had an allergic reaction when I was getting my 4th
infusion.  Had the eip pen shot to bring me out of it.  Couldn't
breathe, blood pressure through the roof, heart racing, rash all
over....

Enbrel didn't cause any reaction, but just plan didn't work for me.  I
was on it for over a year, without much luck.

The best DMARD, that worked, was gold shots in 1975.  In 1996 I tried
again, but didn't work.  Tried Ridura and that helped a little.  Also
in about 1982 I took Plaquenil and it worked for a while.

I envy those who can take Enbrel, Remicade or Humira and not have
problems.  But, that's life.  It's better than the alternative.

Donna
Duckie - 16 Jun 2006 01:08 GMT
Doesn't she should like KJ and her 'luck' with DMARDS.
She was on Kinneret for awhile with some luck but I think she has moved
on to something else at this point.
Duckie

> Harv,
>
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>
> Donna
Mary Z - 16 Jun 2006 05:12 GMT
>I envy those who can take Enbrel, Remicade or Humira and not have
>problems.  But, that's life.  It's better than the alternative.

Remicade put me in remission.  I can't imagine life without it, it has
been my miracle.   My Dr said I would have  been totally disabled
without it.  I  had no bad reactions to it. -- MZ
Harvey R. Stone - 16 Jun 2006 12:06 GMT
>> I asked my Rheumy if I could go back on it because I felt
>> > really well.  She said NOOOOO!  I'm on Cellcept as my main
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
>
> Donna

Thanks Donna for the reply.   Gold shots worked really well for me too but I
was also taking a strong steroid every day too.   Insurance stopped the gold
and 3 months later I found out what a full blown flare is all about.   I
never want to go back to that again,,, ever.....
   I like your attitude about what is taking place and I wish you the best
of luck in whatever to try next.  I do not remember anyone going back to
gold with success and I did not try it.  I do remember that at about the 7-8
year mark of gold use with some people it effects a persons blood,,,, soooo,
I never went back to it and for me,,, Enbrel works great.
   You are not the first to tell this kind of tale with all the medicine
problems and efforts to control a persons immune system.   You seem to have
the same good attitude and will to keep fighting.   If all else fails, go
for a second opinion from another or with another RD involved while keeping
the pressure on to get control.   You know better than most of us the cost
of not having it.  Make every effort to remove any kind of stress from your
life and know that there are people here that have you in their prayers.
Harv
Duckie - 16 Jun 2006 01:06 GMT
Typical Duckie here -- had no trouble with infusion 1-3 and the first
half of infusion 4. Just as they bumped to the final drip speed, I had
an allergic reaction. And that was with taking 25mg orally of benedryl
before starting. All was stopped and they put in a IV steriod plus iv
benedryl -- I think that was right. One of those hurt really really
badly. Burned horribly even though they warmed things. She put that one
in very very slowly -- burn, wait, burn, wait, burn...
Most people who have a reaction will get it in the first dose. Is it
mouse protein? Used to remember all this stuff but it has been too long
for this shaky memory bank.
Duckie

>>I got a 4 week series of Rituxan last May [think that is right] and it
>>put the Remicade I take back into control. I also take Arava and
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Thanks for the info on Rituxan Duckie and Lindy good luck with Humira.
> Donna
Mary Z - 16 Jun 2006 05:08 GMT
>One of those hurt really really
>badly. Burned horribly even though they warmed things.

Probably the bendryl it used to burn from my hand to my shoulder.  I
hated that stuff, thankfully they doesn't use it anymore.   I also
heard another patient complaining about it.  -- MZ
Mert461 - 16 Jun 2006 16:51 GMT
> Is it mouse protein? Used to remember all this stuff but it has been too long
> for this shaky memory bank.
> Duckie

Duckie, Your memory isn't that bad.  It is mouse protein.  My Rheumy
said I'm not to take anything else with mouse protein in it.  The new
Orencia is made differently and I could have tried that, but since my
son had such a good response with Rituxan I chose that one.

BTW, I think I forgot to say in my original post that the Humiria
caused me to have  drug-induced Lupus, which then caused the vasculitis
of the retina.  My labs for Lupus went back to negative after about 6
months.

Donna  (My memory is bad too!!  I don't know if it's the drugs or age!)
Duckie - 15 Jun 2006 06:06 GMT
I have had a couple of those eye injections Donna. Scary as hell but not
really painful -- just scary. Usually my eye posts also have the words
Gory [or not gory] in the subject head to warn those squeamish ones. lol
I have chronic Iritis. Glad you found a specialist and also that Abbott
was forthcoming.
The Iritis Queen
Duckie

> Hi.  I was on Humira for almost a year when I started loosing sight in
> my left eye.  It was like having a gray spot in the center of my
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>
> Donna
Lindy - 14 Jun 2006 18:06 GMT
Shannon/Plantmistress said:

> I have been on Humira since March 22 (a landmark day for me!).  I
> haven't had any negative side effects (except that the medicine burns
> when injected).

I had that same problem when I was injecting Gold.  I was injecting into my
leg at that time and I'd find myself rubbing it a lot.  This time I plan to
inject into the butt and hope that turns out different.  :-)

>It is a miracle for me.  It put my PA in remission &
> finished off the P lesions that the MTX didn't get.  I am still taking
> MTX, but a lesser dose.

He's already tapered me down to 2 tabs/week since the hair thing.  I'd just
like to be done with it so -- and here's another question I meant to ask --
I can enjoy a glass of wine now and then. Is that allowable with the Humira?

> FWIW, I was not having any troubles with excessive hair loss, but some
> of my hair had started to change texture (went from thick, straight,
> smooth hair to kinky & wiry), but that was while my P was out of
> control & before the MTX or Humira.  I think it may have had
>something to do with either the flakes obscuring the hair follicles, or the
> anti-dandruff (& P) meds affecting them, in my case.

This hair problem just snuck up on me.  My hair is on the thin side as it
is and I was growing it out from a really short cut so didn't notice
anything going on until it got a little longer and I went in for a trim and
my lady said "oh you've gotten a perm" and I said no.  She didn't believe
me.  I went home and looked in the mirror (back of my head) and sure enough,
there were some waves.  At first I was happy because I've always had
completely straight hair and always wished for curls!  Then a couple of
months later I asked my sister to give me another trim and I couldn't
convince here that I hadn't had a perm.  And by now I was able to pull my
hair back into a ponytail which is when I noticed how thin it had gotten on
the sides.  My sis started looking at my whole head and it wasn't even at
all - just the underneath parts of my hair are kinky.  The top layer was
still completely straight.  It was like having a bad perm.  That's when I
knew something was going on and I had an appointment with the dermatologist
anyway so asked her about it when I saw her.  She knew exactly what it was -
said certain drugs can load up in your system and it more or less torques
the hair follicles and the hair grows in kinky in certain areas.  After all
these years of wishing for curly hair I can't believe I only want my
straight-as-a-broomstick hair back!!

> Good luck with the Humira - I hope it works for you!

Thank you Shannon.  I'm really looking forward to getting this RA back under
control.

  ~Lindy~
Joan Carter - 14 Jun 2006 18:54 GMT
> That's when I
>knew something was going on and I had an appointment with the dermatologist
>anyway so asked her about it when I saw her.  She knew exactly what it was -
>said certain drugs can load up in your system and it more or less torques
>the hair follicles and the hair grows in kinky in certain areas.

Aha! I think you have just answered one of my unspoken questions! My hair has
turned 'curly' in a couple of spots and it has always been straight. I asked my
RD if it could be due to any of the meds I am on for RA and he didn't think so,
but after reading your post I think it must be the MTX or Plaquenil or
something. Personally I suspect the MTX. Thank you. :-)
---
Joan
Lindy - 14 Jun 2006 19:59 GMT
Joan said:

> Aha! I think you have just answered one of my unspoken questions! My
> hair has turned 'curly' in a couple of spots and it has always been
> straight. I asked my RD if it could be due to any of the meds I am on for
> RA and he didn't think so, but after reading your post I think it must be
> the MTX or Plaquenil or something. Personally I suspect the MTX.
> Thank you. :-)

Oh my gosh!!  I wish I had figured it out last year when it first started
changing.  Mine is just totally out of control now and such a mess to try to
do anything with other than pulling it back into a ponytail.  I'm thinking
it is the MTX too since there has been no change after dropping the Arava.
Speaking of Plaquenil, how are you doing on that?  I took that about 20
years ago and it gave me the weirdest feeling -- sort of out-of-body like.
Couldn't wait to get off it.

  ~Lindy~
Kris1 - 15 Jun 2006 00:24 GMT
As far as Humira goes, I'm about to do my 5th injection just as soon as I get
over whatever stomach bug grabbed me yesterday.  It isn't working yet, but
also have had no side effects.  Well, maybe.  I keep thinking that my vision
is weird but then when I'm about to check into it, it seems normal again.  I
will get it checked and let you know if there is any Humira/vision connection.

My hair went from thick poker straight shiny bouncy to still thick but not so
much as before, slightly wavy underneath to wavy and frizzy all over.
Started about 8-9 years ago which was one year into my mtx use.  Also tho, I
am quite gray and I find that altho nothing stops the curl, keeping it
colored every 2-4 weeks helps the frizz.  Of course, I don't find the time to
color that often so mostly I have frizz, controlled somewhat by the curling
iron I use to straighten it after blow drying--then add the "right" curls.

>Joan said:
>
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>
>   ~Lindy~
Lindy - 15 Jun 2006 02:44 GMT
Kris said:

> As far as Humira goes, I'm about to do my 5th injection just as soon as
> I get over whatever stomach bug grabbed me yesterday.  It isn't
> working yet, but also have had no side effects.  Well, maybe.  I keep
> thinking that my vision is weird but then when I'm about to check into it,
> it seems normal again.  I will get it checked and let you know if there is
>any Humira/vision connection.

Okay, this is something to be on the lookout for.  And are you saying even
a stomach bug means you have to stop the Humira?  It sounds like you have to
be real careful with this stuff.

> My hair went from thick poker straight shiny bouncy to still thick but not
> so much as before, slightly wavy underneath to wavy and frizzy all over.
> Started about 8-9 years ago which was one year into my mtx use.

Oh my gosh!  I'm just so happy to hear it's not just me!!  Now if mine would
just frizz up all over instead of just the underneath parts, I'd be so much
happier with it.

Please let me know about the vision problem.  What exactly do you mean by
"weird"?  I'm so used to letting things go that I'm not sure I would figure
out right away that it's something I should be concerned about.

  ~Lindy~
Kris1 - 15 Jun 2006 23:13 GMT
I don't think you really want the kink and frizz all over.  I was happier
when it just underneath.  I thought it'd be neat to have curly hair after all
those years of straight, but it's not a pretty curl.  More like a perm gone
wrong and when it's humid, it could scare small children.  Heck, last week we
went to the ocean and when we came back from a short stroll on the beach I
scared myself when I looked in the mirror at all that frizz and erratic
curling.

The vision thing--sometimes it's like I have a film over one eye--and it's
not always the same eye.  It's sorta like when you get gunk in your eye when
you have a cold or something and you can rub or blink it away.  Only this
doesn't blink away.  Sometimes I can't see the tv clearly from the spot I
always watch from and then all of  a sudden, it will be fine again.  So, I
have to get my eyes checked.  But, my employer just changed vision plans and
my eye place doesn't take this ins. and neither does my husband's eye place.
I can go to any Walmart vision center that I want--trouble is, I don't want
any of them.  So I am researching to find a good place that also is covered
by my ins.  I might just go to one out of network and pay for it myself.

I had a stomach bug that started Monday nite--the runs, throwing up, slight
headache, very sleepy and week..  This went on through Tuesday which is when
my Humira shot was due.  I called my rheumy and they said no humira til I
feel better.  I'm guessing that it's because the Hum. will suppress my imm.
system and I need it in full gear to fight off the bug.  Anyway, much better
now, so I will do the shot tonite.

I haven't read a lot of posts here, so forgive me if I'm repeating something.
Do you all know that Hum shot stings less if you leave it out of the fridge
for a half hour or so before you inject?  Then also kind of roll it between
your hands to warm it up a bit more.

>Kris said:
>
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>
>   ~Lindy~
Mert461 - 16 Jun 2006 00:43 GMT
> The vision thing--sometimes it's like I have a film over one eye--and it's
> not always the same eye.  It's sorta like when you get gunk in your eye when
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> any of them.  So I am researching to find a good place that also is covered
> by my ins.  I might just go to one out of network and pay for it myself.

Kris,

My uneducated opinion is that you should get to an eye doctor.  Not an
optomist, an opthalmologist.  Before my vision went tunnel on me, I had
an overall darkening of sight.  I guess that's how I could term it.
But if I would close my right eye and just look through the left, I
would have a gray spot right in the middle of my vision.  They said
that symptom is also indictative of a torn or detached retina.  But
that wasn't the case with me.

To be on the safe side, I'd get it checked out.  Let us know what you
find out.  Okay?

Donna
Lindy - 16 Jun 2006 02:31 GMT
Kris said:

> I don't think you really want the kink and frizz all over.  I was happier
> when it just underneath.  I thought it'd be neat to have curly hair after all
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> on the beach I scared myself when I looked in the mirror at all that frizz
> and erratic curling.

Oh my gosh!  Another one!  I was thinking I was the only one!  I'm not happy
you're having the same hair problem but I'm thrilled to know it's not just
me.  Ten to one if I had gone to the Rheumatologist before I went to the
Dermatologist he'd have looked at me like I was stupid.

> Do you all know that Hum shot stings less if you leave it out of the fridge
> for a half hour or so before you inject?  Then also kind of roll it between
> your hands to warm it up a bit more.

Glad to hear this.  My insulin is the same way.  Stings when it's cold but
nothing when it's room temp.

  ~Lindy~
Nann Bell - 17 Jun 2006 04:03 GMT
>  Okay, this is something to be on the lookout for.  And are you saying even
> a stomach bug means you have to stop the Humira?  It sounds like you have to
> be real careful with this stuff.

I'm not on humira, but rather on enbrel.  My RD says to stop it with any
"infection" but I stop it with any virus because I shift into an infection
quite easily.  I always tell them on my next appointment if I've had to stop
it and they've never told me to do otherwise.  I was wallopped with a stomach
bug Wed. eve - seem mostly over it except for feeling like a steamroller ran
over me, aching wise that is.  But I am NOT shooting up today - may do my
enbrel a day or two late if I feel *really* recovered this weekend.  Clarify
when to skip a shot or two with your RD, but the general rule is that it's
better to skip one or two when getting over something else than to risk
developing a life-threatening infection.

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Rich Milton - 20 Jun 2006 07:23 GMT
Lindy,
I've been on Humira 18 months with good results.  I had to delay twice once
with bronchistis last Sept
and also flu in Feb 06.  I have to be careful in public caught the flu from
a school field trip with my son.
DX Feb 2004 with RA now 52.  Humira working great for me so far.  I don't
know if it's me but it
seems like it has a cumlitive effect over time with me.  My average time
between injections avg 18-20 days.
Yes and I agree let the Humira warm a little before use and sometimes I rub
a little benadryl jel on the injection site.
Wishing you well.
Rich

> Just wondering what Humira users experiences have been?  I've had RA since
> 1973, been on tons and tons of different meds for these last 33 years, the
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>
>   ~Lindy~
Lindy - 20 Jun 2006 14:25 GMT
Rich said:

> DX Feb 2004 with RA now 52.  Humira working great for me so far.
> I don't  know if it's me but it seems like it has a cumlitive effect over
>time with me.  My average time between injections avg 18-20 days.

Oh wow!  Don't know why but I was expecting 2 or 3 times a week.  I would
love it if I end up doing what you're doing!!  Still nervous about the whole
thing but can't wait to get started.

  ~Lindy~
Rosanne Bushnell - 20 Jun 2006 23:42 GMT
Hi Lindy,

I've been on Humira for about a year.  The first couple of injections, I
thought I had died and gone to heaven.  I was almost pain free, could stride
across a room like I hadn't been able to do in years. I really felt blessed.
However, that didn't last too long, less than a month maybe.  I am not even
sure now that I am getting any benefit from it.  I am going to discuss
getting off of it because I do think the risks are outweighing the benefits
at this point. I encourage you to try it though, you may be one of the ones
that it lasts for and you deserve the glorious feeling of remission even if
does not last. (Although I sure hope it does)

I have not had any side effects except a whopping injection site burning and
swelling.  I called the company and they gave some good advice that really
worked.  I
ice the site for 15 minutes before the shot and take the shot out of the
refrigerator for 15 min before I inject it. It cut the reaction in half and
now I really don't get it at all but I am still icing and taking the shot
out early. I won't tempt fates.  Use the 800 number with questions, they
were so kind and helpful.

I also take mtx, plaquenil, low dose prednisone.  My hair is thin on the
crown, but it has actually gotten straighter...I have always had curly, wavy
hair.  Strange thing.

Good luck to you.  It really is worth a try.

Rosanne
> Just wondering what Humira users experiences have been?  I've had RA since
> 1973, been on tons and tons of different meds for these last 33 years, the
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>
>    ~Lindy~
Lindy - 21 Jun 2006 03:01 GMT
Rosanne said:
> I've been on Humira for about a year.  The first couple of injections, I
> thought I had died and gone to heaven.  I was almost pain free, could
> stride across a room like I hadn't been able to do in years. I really felt
> blessed.

Oh my gosh!  What I wouldn't give to feel pain free!

> However, that didn't last too long, less than a month maybe.  I am not
> even sure now that I am getting any benefit from it.  I am going to
> discuss getting off of it because I do think the risks are outweighing
>the benefits at this point.

Wow, that's not very long at all.  But I do agree with you that the risks
outweigh the benefits if you're still having problems.  It's really scarey
stuff, especially the lymphoma risk.

> I have not had any side effects except a whopping injection site burning
> and swelling.  I called the company and they gave some good advice
> that really worked.  I ice the site for 15 minutes before the shot and
take
> the shot out of the refrigerator for 15 min before I inject it. It cut the
> reaction in half and now I really don't get it at all but I am still icing
and
>taking the shot out early. I won't tempt fates.  Use the 800 number with
> questions, they were so kind and helpful.

Good info to know.  Thanks.

> I also take mtx, plaquenil, low dose prednisone.  My hair is thin on the
> crown, but it has actually gotten straighter...I have always had curly,
> wavy hair.  Strange thing.

Definitely strange!  This hair thing really has me snockered.  So I guess
whatever you normally had, it goes completely opposite.  Strange indeed.
> Good luck to you.  It really is worth a try.

Thanks for the info Rosanne.

  ~Lindy~
 
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