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Pain after fusion surgery
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Glenn - 07 Jun 2006 00:23 GMT I have recently undergone fusion surgery on levels c5-c6 and c6-c7. I had severe disc degeneration disease and C5 C6 area and slight disc degeneration in C6 C7 area. I had surgery for weeks ago. I went through the surgical procedure due to severe pain in my right arm. I've had this pain for three years now and have tried everything possible prior to surgery. Including microsurgery, steroid injections, physical therapy, etc. The first week after surgery I had no pain, then the pain came back and increased dramatically. I am still in severe pain, and very frightened on where this whole thing is going. I thought, and was advised the fusion surgery would solve this issue as it was clear on my films that the disc degeneration was evident. Has anyone had this happen to them? My surgeon told me that I could expect up to one year for the pain to dissipate. He also told me that I could have the pain forever, as there could be permanent nerve damage due to the length of time the disc degeneration has been there.
janers - 07 Jun 2006 15:03 GMT Hi I had the same surgery with fusion. For me too it was instant relief of the severe pain but nagging nerve pain that actually let up after awhile.
BUT this severe pain you are referring too is not right. I don't think this is something to mess with and you need to call that surgeon and tell him about your worries here. IT might be from severe swelling and you need to get that down, and it could be from alot of things. Are you in a collar??? Did he go in from the front or back???
I now have arthritis in my neck and that is pain as well but if you are having that pain NOW, then you most definately need to see that doc ASAP. Especially since it is INCREASED dramatically like you described.
He is right about the nerve damage and it does take time but that amount of pain doesn't seem right.
Please call him and demand follow up. IF that don't work go to the ER and have them take some pictures to figure out what is going on. MRI for sure.... Ask about a soft collar for awhile, sometimes that helps some people. YOU need a doc NOW.
let me know will YOU??? janers
johnie - 07 Jun 2006 23:11 GMT glenn, janers is giving you great advise. You need to see this surgeon asap. It could be many different things but I would lookat at these two first. Pressure from excessive swelling and/or post surgical infection which isn't as rare as it should be. The other real possiblity for this type of procedure is the presence of another trouble spot that shows up because it was masked by this one or the fusion of this area has shifted the way pressure is distributed down the spine and another weak spot is taking the hit. Please get it looked at and let us know.
big desert healthy back hugs all around, johnie
spine surgeon - 16 Jun 2006 03:08 GMT I think that the soft collar maybe have some help, it is helpful to the patients whose cervical muscular is weak, and the pain caused by the inflammation of the cervical muscles, but for the pain caused by the disc herniation, it is useless.
I don't know your age, but in all my patients, some of them had some osteoprosis at the same time, which also can cause the serve pain, You may bring it to your doctor's attention, wish you good luck!
Benjamin
> Hi > I had the same surgery with fusion. For me too it was instant relief of the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > let me know will YOU??? > janers GARY Z - 08 Jun 2006 03:26 GMT Hi Glenn, I've had c4,5,6 fused in 2000. I had bad pain in my left arm and it passed for awhile after the surgery and then came back again. I assumed the fusion was to correct and relieve the arm pain. It wasn't. It was needed for other reasons. Do you have pain down into your two little fingers? Tingling? I finally asked for a referral to a pain clinic. They sent me to a neurologist for a nerve conduction test. Turns out my arm pain was being caused by my ulnar nerve being crushed in my elbow. Already had moderately severe damage to the nerve that was affecting the muscle functions in my arm. Had surgery to move the ulnar nerve out of the elbow joint. It won't cure the damage already done, but it will keep it from getting worse. I have the same problem in my right arm to a lesser degree and that will not be addressed at this time. By the way, the pain from that nerve damage radiates back up into my shoulder and neck on my left side. Perhaps a visit to a pain specialist is in order. GaryZ
>I have recently undergone fusion surgery on levels c5-c6 and c6-c7. I > had severe disc degeneration disease and C5 C6 area and slight disc [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > there could be permanent nerve damage due to the length of time the > disc degeneration has been there.
>I have recently undergone fusion surgery on levels c5-c6 and c6-c7. I > had severe disc degeneration disease and C5 C6 area and slight disc [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > there could be permanent nerve damage due to the length of time the > disc degeneration has been there. janers - 08 Jun 2006 14:30 GMT Gary you got to quit following me around :))
I too have seen and am seeing a pain specialist. He injects me in the neck area and it has seemed to work since last fall. KNOCK ON WOOD, cause if it don't work and comes back he is thinking "burn" that nerve there and hope for the best......called I believe a rhzotomy?? something Like that. I would look up the right spelling but too lazy this morning.
NOW how are the golf games going. Are you getting any HOLES in one!!! heheh Son doing well? Any more trips to Disney?
We may go there while in Fl during the winter months but I love Busch Gardens so have to figure a way to kick up money for both tickets hehe.
HOW are you, quieter than usual man, anything going on??
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GARY Z - 09 Jun 2006 14:51 GMT Hey JANERS!!!
> Gary you got to quit following me around :)) Absolutely NOT! I am the official Janers stalker......now where'd that girl go again?....not very good at this
> I too have seen and am seeing a pain specialist. He injects me in the neck > area and it has seemed to work since last fall. KNOCK ON WOOD, cause if it > don't work and comes back he is thinking "burn" that nerve there and hope > for the best......called I believe a rhzotomy?? something Like that. I > would > look up the right spelling but too lazy this morning. Have they done a nerve study?? to make sure that is the source of your trouble??
> NOW how are the golf games going. Are you getting any HOLES in one!!! > heheh No holes in one lately, but I get close once in a great while!
> Son doing well? Mike is doing fine. Finished his freshman year. Last final was Wed. and he started a job on Thurs. His choice. I was able to get him summer work at the University moving around computers and entering data in our picyure database. If he learns the database, he can work the next 3 summers there.
Driving him to St. Louis area for a bowling tournament next Sat. He is doing pretty well at it. Still have to get him to learn the value of practice. His coach says he has all the "tools" he needs. He just needs to practice more.
> Any more trips to Disney? > > We may go there while in Fl during the winter months but I love Busch > Gardens so have to figure a way to kick up money for both tickets hehe. We went this past end of March. Did some fishing and I finally played the golf courses there (can you imagine that)! We don't do alot of "Disney" stuff anymore, but the area offers alot of other things to do. We still have a couple of tickets for the water parks and side venues, so we will probably go one more time. Disney Quest is in its final year of operation and that is Mikes favorite place there. We'll have to go before it closes.
> HOW are you, quieter than usual man, anything going on?? I read here everyday, but only post to that which I have personal experience. Summer is busy as ususal. Managed to strain my lower back pushing a broom around outside doing some cleaning. Reeks havoc on my golf as I can't feel much on the pain meds. It's slowly improving though. Pick up some orthodics for my feet today. Dentist for a crown on Mon. Can you see the hundreds flying out of my wallet yet?!! Probably not, cause they're not there to begin with! lol The old back is what it is and I live with it. Thinking of trying to work the football games this fall again. I have a short memory. Told them last year I couldn't handle it anymore due to the crowds now and the difficulty getting around the stadium. Up and down stairs and ramps running around putting out video fires. Last game I worked (a Sat.) I lost 2 days of work (Mon. and Tues) my back hurt so much. Remember Gary, remember.....
> you know who!!! Janers, I hope you a pain-free life at some point in time....now actually, and I wish the same for everyone here. GaryZ
Squirrely - 10 Jun 2006 01:17 GMT Gary,
Hitting you with a dry noodle, if I did with a wet noodle I would probably do the same to my back.
Brooms, rakes, anything that works with that kind of motion is a no no to the back. Believe me I know. All I have to do anymore is look at one and my back starts spasming. ;-)
Take care and heal quickly.
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> Managed to strain my lower back pushing a broom around outside doing some > cleaning. Reeks havoc on my golf > as I can't feel much on the pain meds. It's slowly improving though. Pick > up some orthodics for my feet today. GARY Z - 10 Jun 2006 12:26 GMT > Gary, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Take care and heal quickly. Ah Jo, You wouldn't dare. I might like it too much!! lol I'm a stubborn, ignorant man who still clings to a superman complex! :-) GaryZ (just kidding)
Squirrely - 15 Jun 2006 23:29 GMT Hey Gary, I am right there with you.
When the sweeping etc doesn't get done for quite some time, I go in and do it and pay the price. For me it is the super woman thingy.
Oh but that is right, it is the super squirrel thing. Ask Alex.
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> Ah Jo, > You wouldn't dare. I might like it too much!! lol > I'm a stubborn, ignorant man who still clings to a superman complex! :-) > GaryZ (just kidding) Stinkweed - 10 Jun 2006 16:27 GMT Tell me about the back spasms.. My daughter in law has them quite often and to the point where she spends a lot of time doing nothing because of them. She sees a chiropractor kind of doctor "Homeopathic" I believe she said and she feels good for a few days and then she is right back where she started. I can't see her getting any better at all and this is going on 4 years. Is there more that can be done for her? She gets in a great deal of pain.
> Gary, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> as I can't feel much on the pain meds. It's slowly improving though. Pick >> up some orthodics for my feet today. GARY Z - 10 Jun 2006 18:14 GMT Hello SW, I have "moderately severe" disc disease in my lower spine. So, the area is inherently unstable. Doesn't take a whole lot to strain my lower back. Sweeping, shoveling, raking all reek havoc on me. Now golf doesn't bother it as much as that is a turning motion. Still gets sore afterwards, but nothing like the mentioned activities. The disease has gotten bad enough that a chiro now does more harm than good for me. GaryZ
> Tell me about the back spasms.. My daughter in law has them quite often > and to the point where she spends a lot of time doing nothing because of [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >>> as I can't feel much on the pain meds. It's slowly improving though. >>> Pick up some orthodics for my feet today. Stinkweed - 10 Jun 2006 20:29 GMT I don't think she has deterioration of any disks, just some arthritis and I can't get her to go find out what kind and get help with it. But the spasms are really wrecking havoc on her quality of life. I get upset as I want to see her feel good and I'm not all that sure this doctor is doing a good job for her.
> Hello SW, > I have "moderately severe" disc disease in my lower spine. So, the area is [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>>> as I can't feel much on the pain meds. It's slowly improving though. >>>> Pick up some orthodics for my feet today. Nann Bell - 11 Jun 2006 13:32 GMT > I don't think she has deterioration of any disks, just some arthritis and I > can't get her to go find out what kind and get help with it. But the spasms > are really wrecking havoc on her quality of life. I get upset as I want to > see her feel good and I'm not all that sure this doctor is doing a good job > for her. a thought - does she get any massage or physical therapy for it? If she won't see a medical doctor, perhaps she'd at least be willing to go for massage which should help ease the spasms.
And is it actually a chiro she sees or a homeopathic doc? there's a great difference. If you can talk her into seeing a reputable chiro, s/he'll do extensive X-Rays before treating and might be able to find out something about what's going on. I even had one excellent chiro who refused to treat someone after seeing the films, instead referring her for an MRI, then to a back surgeon. He did work with her some after her back surgery, but could only help her a bit at that point as she had required fusions. (learned all this from her husband in the waiting room one day!)
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Stinkweed - 11 Jun 2006 17:39 GMT >> I don't think she has deterioration of any disks, just some arthritis and >> I [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > all > this from her husband in the waiting room one day!) I'm pretty sure she sees a homeopathic doctor, I know he isn't a real Chiropractor but he does do the massage thing, that is what I am so afraid of is she is going to wait too long messing with this guy that some permanent damage is going to happen. But I can't get her to go to another doctor she says all they do is give her medication. But she is down with the spasms half the time. I think she has had exrays etc. She has even had some sort of very painful shot in her back, I think maybe a nerve block. I don't know if the same guy does it or not. I think she has had 3 of them. It is hard because I am a mother inlaw I would like to just grab her and take her to a specialist in backs and muscles but I can't do that. All I can do is suggest. I think the person she is going to is just taking her money, but she likes him and seems to have complete faith in him.
Pope Pie (Sy Lehrman) - 11 Jun 2006 04:30 GMT > Hello SW, > I have "moderately severe" disc disease in my lower spine. So, the area is [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > has gotten bad enough that a chiro now does more harm than good for me. > GaryZ Gary, you are looking at this all wrong. Surgery is bad, like shoveling and raking are bad. You should simply shovel less and putt more. You speak as if you want to rake and shovel. You simply turn to the wife and say, "Honey, I'd love to help you shovel the drive, but..." and spreak your hands in a gesture of helplessness. It puts me in mind of Dr. Prunesqualor in McPeak's Gormenghast, "I've always been fascinated with people who want to work...."
GARY Z - 12 Jun 2006 11:15 GMT > Gary, you are looking at this all wrong. Surgery is bad, like shoveling > and raking are bad. You should simply shovel less and putt more. You [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Prunesqualor in McPeak's Gormenghast, "I've always been fascinated with > people who want to work...." Sy, I like the way you think! I can't help but ponder my own stupidity as... I don't have a wife!!
:-) GaryZ
Stuart Vernon - 12 Jun 2006 12:15 GMT > I can't help but ponder my own stupidity as... I don't have a wife!! > :-) He didn't say it had to be *your* wife ... ;)
Stuart
GARY Z - 13 Jun 2006 11:04 GMT >> I can't help but ponder my own stupidity as... I don't have a wife!! >> :-) > > He didn't say it had to be *your* wife ... ;) > > Stuart LOL!
Squirrely - 15 Jun 2006 23:27 GMT I have the back spasms majorily too. I don't have to do hardly anything at all to start them back up either. I feel for you daughter in law.
Has she seen a rheumy. There might be something going on there that he can help with.
Muscle relaxers at times help. But I can't do them because they make me have heart palapations.
Heat and cold both help at times.
I hope she finds something that works.
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> Tell me about the back spasms.. My daughter in law has them quite often > and to the point where she spends a lot of time doing nothing because of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > on 4 years. Is there more that can be done for her? She gets in a great > deal of pain. Stinkweed - 18 Jun 2006 03:24 GMT I don't think she has seen a Rhumotologist, right now I can't think of the title of doctor she is seeing, it escapes my mind. What do you do for your muscle spasms?
>I have the back spasms majorily too. I don't have to do hardly anything at >all to start them back up either. I feel for you daughter in law. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> on 4 years. Is there more that can be done for her? She gets in a great >> deal of pain. Squirrely - 20 Jun 2006 05:02 GMT Stinkweed,
I got to ask do you have another name besides that one, I don't like calling you that. ;-)
I cry alot, whine alot, and make life miserable for others. ;-)
Seriously, I grin and bear it alot. I use a tennis ball in a sock and lean again it on both sides of spine against a wall. That helps some. Ice and heat at times help too.
I can't take anti inflammatories either. So not much help I can do for muscle spasms or OA.
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>I don't think she has seen a Rhumotologist, right now I can't think of the >title of doctor she is seeing, it escapes my mind. What do you do for your >muscle spasms? Stinkweed - 20 Jun 2006 18:18 GMT My name is Sharon. But I get called lots of names, generally stinky and any variation of it. I'm used to it now. I think my daughter in law does the same thing, but she is in pain a good bit of the time. I'm not really sure what she does for the pain, it seems everything she does sets it off. Not a good way to lead your life.
> Stinkweed, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>title of doctor she is seeing, it escapes my mind. What do you do for >>your muscle spasms? Squirrely - 20 Jun 2006 20:31 GMT Thanks Sharon,
I just didn't like the idea of calling you stinky or stinkweed. Not a nice name. ;-)
I feel for your daughter in law. I know it is tough when you can not get the help you need, either the drs fault or our own bodies fault. That is the way it is with me too, everything sets it off. Shoot at times I am even afraid to lift a piece of paper. I mean talk about a wimp. Can't lift anything or my back goes out. Can't sweep, rake, etc that have that kind of movement. Can't do things like jigsaw puzzles or sometimes the movement of the mouse set off my chest stuff so it is not an easy life for any that suffer from all this stuff. I am sorry she had to join our gimping ways.
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> My name is Sharon. But I get called lots of names, generally stinky and > any variation of it. I'm used to it now. > I think my daughter in law does the same thing, but she is in pain a good > bit of the time. I'm not really sure what she does for the pain, it seems > everything she does sets it off. Not a good way to lead your life. spine surgeon - 16 Jun 2006 03:04 GMT I think that you can ask your surgeon that, what is the main purpose of the fusion surgery. maybe before your surgery is performed, you must told your surgeon that you want to solve the pain problem. it is the surgeon he told you that your pain maybe caused by the C5,6 and C6,7 disc degenerative changes, and herniates. and maybe he thoughts that after the fusion surgery maybe the degenerative changes was stoped, and the pain maybe released. but the situation is that your pain not released at all. at first, your pain's release maybe caused by the pain killer used in the surgery, then the effects of the pain killer disappeared, your pain reoccured.
For a surgeon, I do the same operation in our china, we have a lot of surgeries nearly 4 per day, I think the mainpoint of the surgery in your situation is the decompression, only the perfect decompression is performed, that your pain will not release in the postoperative.
Wish you good luck, maybe you can choose another surgeon to perform another decompression operation.
Benjamin
> I have recently undergone fusion surgery on levels c5-c6 and c6-c7. I > had severe disc degeneration disease and C5 C6 area and slight disc [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > there could be permanent nerve damage due to the length of time the > disc degeneration has been there.
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