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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / June 2006

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Q&As  for NSAIDS

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Mary Z - 02 Jun 2006 14:26 GMT
I thought this was helpful, but I wish they had talk about the risks
vs benefits from GI bleeds  from traditional NSAIDs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5040294.stm
Harvey R. Stone - 02 Jun 2006 16:50 GMT
>I thought this was helpful, but I wish they had talk about the risks
> vs benefits from GI bleeds  from traditional NSAIDs.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5040294.stm

Aspirin
Naprosyn
Ibuprofen
  as well as prescription NSAIDS are hard on a persons insides.   It is why
we talk about them here because things like,,, with food,,,  stool checks
for bleeding,,, help a person to balance what they do for us against the
side effects.
Harv
diclidophora@yahoo.co.uk - 03 Jun 2006 17:55 GMT
The trouble is that they have or had a witch hunt on for Cox 2s. I
think the Cox2 interests have responded with research into other non
Cox 2 NSAIDs in order to show that the COX2s are not actually worse
than other NSAIDs. In the UK my feeling is that the criticism of COX2s
causing cardiovascular (CV) problems was convenient . COX2s (like
celcoxib) are more expensive than drugs like diclofenac, so some PCTs
virtually banned their prescription by GPs here in the UK.

With regard to gastrointestinal (GI) bleeds and mortality rates. I
mentioned to my rheumatologist specialist nurse that it was OK for
patients on ordinary NSAIDs to continue dying of GI bleeds, but it
wasn't in order for them to die of CV events as a result of taking
COX2s. She said she supposed so ! I was of course referring to the
importance of the PCT spend on the new COX2s.

They haven't published the comparative figures togather for ordinary
NSAIDs vs COX2s mortality, or disease rates, for both GI and CV as far
as I know. It will certainly make interesting reading when they
eventually do. Do COX2 patients die or fall ill from fewer GI bleeds,
but more CV events. Do ordinary NSAID patients die of more GI events
anf fewer CV events - or are the figures the same etc etc.

I think much of this razmataz has to do with money one way or the
other.

Peter

> >I thought this was helpful, but I wish they had talk about the risks
> > vs benefits from GI bleeds  from traditional NSAIDs.
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> side effects.
> Harv
Mary Z - 03 Jun 2006 22:20 GMT
>I think much of this razmataz has to do with money one way or the
>other.

I agree it was fueled by the insurance industry, but then again the
pharmaceutical industry is no better.  My Rheumatologist said our FDA
would never have banned vioxx, rather it would have been given  a
warning.   He said the GI bleed issue has never been compared to the
CV issues.  This is an issue that needs research, but unfortunately it
will be either the pharmacy folks or the insurance folks spinning the
studies and the results.  The news media picks up the spin and
suddenly it becomes "fact".   -- MZ
diclidophora@yahoo.co.uk - 04 Jun 2006 11:22 GMT
Mary.

Agreed.

It is the same in the UK except here it is the socialised medicine of
the NHS rather than insurance companies. As you say, the
pharmaceuticals have competetive interests as well. We will only get
this sort of meaningful research from independently financed bodies I
think

Peter

> >I think much of this razmataz has to do with money one way or the
> >other.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> studies and the results.  The news media picks up the spin and
> suddenly it becomes "fact".   -- MZ
 
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