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Kelly - 26 May 2006 22:00 GMT Okay - update on Diane. She can now roll over in bed on her own and yesterday they got her to sit on the bed and then stand on her own for a few seconds. They suggested one step but she fell so the standing was the main point. She was getting blood today and then sometime in the near future will be taken out of trama centre and into the same nursing home her mom was in for rehab. She was pretty pleased about that. Took a bit of doing for insurance etc. Going to be a long haul but she is going to make it.
I go to Virginia Mason on Tuesday to Dr. Kita and we will see what she has to say. Since it is user pay (I am Canadian and this is an American hospital) hopefully she can shed some light on what to do. After 7 1/2 months I am getting pretty discouraged. The RA is getting bad too so that doesn't help much.
Anyhow off to physio to get an update on where she figures I am before talking to the neurologist. Hopefully things will get back on track. We expect the sale of the house to take a bit but we have had 4 people through in 3 weeks so that is hopeful at the market we are in.
Have a great memorial Day weekend everyone. Diane's spirits are up and she is thinking of all of you. Will be nice to see her in Rehab but nicer to have her home. We are getting to be great phone pals!
Kelly
melodymom - 26 May 2006 22:36 GMT Thanks, Kelly. You have more than enough going on in your own life, so it's great that you can stretch yourself for Diane, too.
You are both in my thoughts. Best of everything at Virginia Mason.
luv&stuff, Denise
Kelly - 27 May 2006 05:33 GMT Diane is keeping me going too. She has become a great friend and what a wonderful thing that is. Can you imagine - 2 people 2 continents apart becoming close? We may never meet but after years on this group we feel we know each other well.
We were talking today about what it takes to make it through this disease and Char's name came up. We agreed that the prednisone is what gives us quality of life and no lectures - even though we know what it is doing to us. Sometimes you do what you have to do.
The last 3 days have been really hard for some reason - I have cried copious amounts of tears and hurt like no ones business. Nothing works and I have felt incredibly isolated. After talking to Diane I was ready to go on with life again. Before then I just didn't know where to turn. We didn't talk about anything in particular either.
I did go see my physio today who I haven't seen since December. She said my right leg has atrophied so badly it looks like it has been in a cast for a year. The muscles are a mess. This is nothing that all the exercises I have been doing could help as the spasticity is fighting them. The RA I knew was bad but she was horrified and amazed at how good my range of motion was thanks to the constant exercise regime I have. She told me though to stop the isometrics - I am too imflamed. She also wants to write a prescription out for a scooter for rent for me as she said she doesn't want me walking for long in my walker. I am throwing my hip and both knees out badly and with the spasticity I can't do anything about it. I had been trying to increase my walking. She wants it decreased and never ever without the cane or walker even in the house. She says the knees and hips are a mess today and would like to see the rd take xrays to use as a base.
Oh and the hands, shoulders, toes (a real mess) were pretty bad too. no I believe her words were a disaster. She can't believe I am keeping so much mobility and am managing my pain so well. Great complement but you know life goes on and that is what ice bags and timers were invented for - like I am going to quit quilting (oh and the odd demerol.)
Anyhow the scooter prescriptions will be made next weeks appointment after we hear from the neurologist and her opionion. I just wish I could be on a dmard to stop the flu like, fatique symptoms. I am so low and only you guys would understand that. My husband is trying but I know he is feeling kind of helpless. Until all the symptoms disappear and we find a clinical trial to take me (good luck) I am tough out of luck and prednisone is my friend. Unfortunately my rd won't go beyond 10 mg of prednisone yet (or ever) and there is not a dmard I haven't taken without severe side effects. So life goes on. Naps, exercise, ice, heat and support from my friends.
Anyhow As you can tell this was a whine. Time for meds and demerol and epsom salts and juniper essence in the bathtub. Pat is helping me out of the bath now - not sure how long I can hold off having a bath instead of a shower but believe me the inflatable lifts will be the next move - I need that warm bath to relax me and help me meditate before bed.
Anyhow enough whine and cheese! No more tears after today - on with life again. I can do it - have done this many times before in the last 11 years and all of you have been behind me. Just get rid of the ms like symptoms and everything will fall into place. And the idea of the scooter is okay. We decided today there might be a period of an hour a day I might be safe driving too. I don't know if I trust myself - although I am the one who suggested it. The problem is when I get tired (and I never know when it is) I am like I am totally drunk - can't walk properly, see properly or react). So obviously no driving for a bit.
So smiles for tomorrow - going to Seattle on monday and see my nephew (almost 4) on Tuesday after my appointment - Nothing could be better. He drew me a special picture for my fridge and is giving it to me then. He thought he might sleep with Pat and I in our bedroom on Tuesday night so he wouldn't miss a minute with us. Life is sweet!
Thanks everyone - Diane and I will make it - we are on different but the same journey. We have the same sense of drive and the same sense of humour. Yesterday when one of the doctors (mr doom) suggested a colostomy bag Diane said no I don't think so. Too hard to match shoes to them. He was a little surprised with the comeback. thanks for the encouragement Denise. Hope you are having a great weekend.
Kelly
> Thanks, Kelly. You have more than enough going on in your own life, so > it's great that you can stretch yourself for Diane, too. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > luv&stuff, > Denise Alix M. Hall - 27 May 2006 11:31 GMT {{{{{gentle Kelly Hugs}}}}}}
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Always remember, a cat looks down on man, a dog looks up to man, but a pig will look man right in the eye and see his equal". - Winston Churchill
> Diane is keeping me going too. She has become a great friend and what a > wonderful thing that is. Can you imagine - 2 people 2 continents apart [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] >> luv&stuff, >> Denise Joan Carter - 27 May 2006 15:45 GMT >Diane is keeping me going too. She has become a great friend and what a >wonderful thing that is. Can you imagine - 2 people 2 continents apart >becoming close? We may never meet but after years on this group we feel we >know each other well. I know what you mean there, Kelly. A group of us who met on asms keep on talking as an email group. People from the US and Canada, and one important one from Australia. :-) We have all talked on the phone, a conference call! Can you imagine with, I think 10 or 12 people? Can you spell bedlam? We have also had one to one calls when someone is in a really bad space.
>The last 3 days have been really hard for some reason - I have cried copious >amounts of tears and hurt like no ones business. Nothing works and I have >felt incredibly isolated. You don't need to feel isolated, Kelly. I am just over here in Ontario. <waving> Can you see me? Look just a little farther east.
>I did go see my physio today who I haven't seen since December. She said my >right leg has atrophied so badly it looks like it has been in a cast for a >year. The muscles are a mess. This is nothing that all the exercises I >have been doing could help as the spasticity is fighting them. The RA I >knew was bad but she was horrified and amazed at how good my range of motion >was thanks to the constant exercise regime I have It's a rare woman who can horrify a physiotherapist. I would take that as a compliment! Get a tee-shirt made that says "I horrified a physio today"
>Oh and the hands, shoulders, toes (a real mess) were pretty bad too. no I >believe her words were a disaster. She can't believe I am keeping so much >mobility and am managing my pain so well. Great complement but you know >life goes on and that is what ice bags and timers were invented for - like I >am going to quit quilting (oh and the odd demerol.) Some days I feel so much more mobility and others, like today, I woke with every muscle and joint screaming. My RA causes me more misery than the MS. And mercy, no, don't quit quilting. It is things like that make the world go around.
>Anyhow the scooter prescriptions will be made next weeks appointment after >we hear from the neurologist and her opionion. I just wish I could be on a >dmard to stop the flu like, fatique symptoms. I am so low and only you guys >would understand that. My husband is trying but I know he is feeling kind >of helpless. I sort of feel like your husband at times. His MS is so much worse than mine and despite range of motion exercises his foot drop worsens and his leg pains get worse. He gets Botox injections in his calf muscles every three months and that eases the pain a lot, but he due more shots Monday so is in bad shape now. I feel especially helpless because, as a nurse, I think I should have been able to prevent that, and make it all better. Doesn't work that way, does it? :-(
Anyhow, Kelly, you take care, enjoy the little one and feel better soon. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with whining, you know that though, don't you? But it always seems as if it is okay for others to whine, but goodness no, not me! Humans are funny. :-) --- Joan
Kelly - 27 May 2006 16:33 GMT Thanks Joan - really it helps to know people understand. Do the botox shots hurt and do they do any good for the spasticity? That is one of the next questions I am going to ask. don't we wish making us nurses or doctors or being intelligent would prevent all this. At least in most cases I can keep my sense of humour.
Anyhow off to buy binding for the quilt I am finishing this weekend - yes it is getting done - I hate it. It is a commissioned one and is pink and I detest that colour. I do better on my time and this should have been done before Christmas if all had gone as expected - read no reaction to enbrel. If I wash and cut the material today I can bind tomorrow. I would love to have it ready to go before Seattle but.....
Anyhow thanks and enjoy the weekend. My husband has gone out to get me a latte and himself a coffee. He figures he has 2 hours to work before the realtor brings someone by to the see the house. Then we will go out and get my mri cd, he can get his haircut and I will buy my material. We are going to our son and daughter in law's for dinner tonight (first time since they were married) so I should try to squeeze in a nap.
Take care everyone, Kelly
>>Diane is keeping me going too. She has become a great friend and what a >>wonderful thing that is. Can you imagine - 2 people 2 continents apart [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > --- > Joan ladylove77 - 27 May 2006 18:51 GMT Kelly, no wonder you get discourged! All I know to do is to pray for you. Gwen
> Diane is keeping me going too. She has become a great friend and what a > wonderful thing that is. Can you imagine - 2 people 2 continents apart [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] >> luv&stuff, >> Denise melodymom - 29 May 2006 19:17 GMT Kelly said: "Thanks everyone - Diane and I will make it - we are on different but the same journey. We have the same sense of drive and the same sense of humour. Yesterday when one of the doctors (mr doom) suggested a colostomy bag Diane said no I don't think so. Too hard to match shoes to them. He was a little surprised with the comeback. thanks for the encouragement Denise. Hope you are having a great weekend."
Kelly, I must tell you I laughed so hard over Diane's comeback I cried! A sense of humor (humour) is absolutely essential for surviving some of this garbage. And, speaking of driving, if I hadn't given up my license I'd be really tempted to meet you at Virginia Mason Tuesday just for 'visible' support. Best of everything, and hugs to you and Diane.
luv&stuff, Denise
Squirrely - 27 May 2006 04:13 GMT Kelly once again thank you so much for keeping us updated about Diane. I hope you have success with Virginia mason and the new dr. I hope they have the answers you need.
I hope the house goes quickly for you.
I hope you have a good outcome from the physio.
You have a great memorial day weekend too.
I hope Diane does great and heals and mends quickly. I hope they take great care of her in the rehab. Send her hugs and love from me.
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> Okay - update on Diane. She can now roll over in bed on her own and > yesterday they got her to sit on the bed and then stand on her own for a [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Kelly Diane - 29 May 2006 21:02 GMT kelly, i am so glad you and Diane have each other. i can tell how much strength you get from one another. i appreciate you keeping us informed about her, and about you, too. i hope you can get a scooter soon. it's an incredible sense of freedom. i HATE that you have this ms-like thing. grrr.
diane
Diane - 29 May 2006 21:03 GMT ps, kelly, do you have an address to send cards to diane? if so could you email it to me privately? thanks,
diane
Kelly - 01 Jun 2006 06:27 GMT I do and will post it to you tomorrow. I am going to phone her tomorrow morning and tell her the outcome of seattle.
Denise - would not have been a good time to meet - I look terrible in pain and in tears. It was a good day and bad - but no ms. We will monitor for 5 years but no ms. The bad news is the neurological damage from the enbrel (and she seemed sure it was the enbrel) is permanent. So now a permanent scooter whenever outside and walker at least inside (should have that sorted out within month - will have to buy a new van to put it in and sort out my meds so I can drive again), rehab, pain clinic (we are going to try to sort out meds to get neuro pain to 5 - 6 out of 10 - wow would that be great. It is a 8 now at least. RA pain is a 10 and I am talking to the clinic about a clinical trial tomorrow. Maybe now that it is not ms they will allow one. ritixamib is on trial here now and that is her suggestion. We changed the valium (or are in the processs of changing it ) to a epelepsy drug - the name escapes me in my fatique.
Will write more tomorrow. Today began at 5:00 and has not slowed down all day. The Clipper (catamaran) trip though was wonderful - lovely and calm and the mimosa was worth it.
Kelly
> ps, kelly, do you have an address to send cards to diane? if so could > you email it to me privately? thanks, > > diane Squirrely - 01 Jun 2006 21:08 GMT Kelly,
your post today made me cry. I feel for you and have you so tight in my heart. I so hope a miracle comes your way and am praying that one will. I am praying for you healing. I just wish there was more I could do for you sweetie.
But at least now you know what you are looking towards and can get the equipment to help you during this time.
Kelly, I want you to know that I truly do care and love you even though we have not met. You are one special person, I hope you know that.
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>I do and will post it to you tomorrow. I am going to phone her tomorrow >morning and tell her the outcome of seattle. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Kelly Kelly - 02 Jun 2006 02:41 GMT Thanks Jo but you know I think this is good. I can get on with life and you know - it is good. I am not hoping for a miracle anymore - I am just going to heal - in my heart. I will drive, I will quilt, and I will live. I have my friends, I will find a med that doesn't make me high and I will hopefully get on the medical trial for ritixamix ( or whatever it is.) I went for accupuncture today and even agreed to a little herbal meds. I will make it - especially with my red scooter and all my great support friends. Time to move on - I don't have MS even though this is permanent.
what I would like to do though is have people believe me but not be scared to take enbrel. Enbrel, remicade and humira are dangerous drugs and need to be taken with respect. I am not saying don't take them - just the opposite - they give life and a good life. However, if you have a neurological event get to a large hospital with a neuro and a rheumatologist who know you are on a tnf receptor. My 3 day solu medrol drip should have been administered in the first few days - not weeks after - that might have made a difference. Also do not withhold information - if you have a relative with ms or have had neuro symptoms in the past then tell you rd and make sure he listens.
Same with infections - when an infection hits hold back on that shot - and check with the doctor. Wait until the antibiotic is finished and you know the infection is finished. We have lost a couple of people (I know their immune systems were fragile but spare me so are a lot of others of ours). Check with your doctor. make sure it is okay to resume.
because there are no nuisance symptoms such as nausea we forget the important things. another important thing is it works for most of us and should not be taken away - so it is even more important that we treat it with respect.
This is important to me. I don't want anyone to fear these drugs but it is important to know that neurological and bacterial infections need to be reported immediately to an rd and in the case of neuro to a neurologist familiar with the meds.
As for me - thanks Squirrelly - I am a survivor and will make it. Time to get the ra pain to a 8 and the neuro pain to a 7. Getting off my feet for an hour right now might help - yeah right but worth a try. And yes I am using my walker in the house now. What a friggin nuisance but I do walk better with it.
Thanks guys.
Kelly
> Kelly, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> Kelly ladylove77 - 02 Jun 2006 04:14 GMT Kelly, I hope you can get in on the trial of rituximab, and we will pray it will work wonders. You're a very strong lady, and I know you will make it. Gwen
> Thanks Jo but you know I think this is good. I can get on with life and > you know - it is good. I am not hoping for a miracle anymore - I am just [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] >>> >>> Kelly Kelly - 02 Jun 2006 23:45 GMT Found out this morning - I can't. I have to be on mtx for 3 months 10 mg or more and have a high sed rate or crp. I never have either which isn't uncommon even when I am incredibly swollen and inflamed. So I wait...... But I found a lovely red sienna van which will take a couple of weeks to get here and have chosen a tentative red scooterr to put into it and have come off the valium. So things will improve.
Thanks Gwen. I had my hopes
Kelly
ladylove77 - 03 Jun 2006 02:12 GMT Red is my very favorite color! You go, Girl! Gwen
> Found out this morning - I can't. I have to be on mtx for 3 months 10 mg > or more and have a high sed rate or crp. I never have either which isn't [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Kelly Harvey R. Stone - 02 Jun 2006 13:40 GMT Hi Kelly,,, Love the way you look at the world and how to deal with it. We all could take a lesson on dealing with what we have. Harv
> Thanks Jo but you know I think this is good. I can get on with life and > you know - it is good. I am not hoping for a miracle anymore - I am just [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] >>> >>> Kelly Jean - 02 Jun 2006 13:54 GMT What Harv said!!
Kelly, I am just amazed at your attitude and the smile in your 'voice'. I feel like a whiny brat compared to you.
Hugs to you AND to Diane and lots of good thoughts are headed out to you both.
Jean
> Hi Kelly,,, Love the way you look at the world and how to deal with it. > We all could take a lesson on dealing with what we have. > Harv Squirrely - 02 Jun 2006 19:47 GMT Kelly,
I am so happy for you and also so proud of you. When I grow up I want to be just like you. LOL ;-)
You are one amazing woman. I hope you know that.
I am glad you are getting the word out. I can see you are not saying to take the stuff, that you are just getting the caution out and look for these problems. You did a good job on it.
You and Diane are some special women. I have you both in my heart and my prayers. You both get better, you hear, that is an order. LOL ;-)
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> Thanks Jo but you know I think this is good. I can get on with life and > you know - it is good. I am not hoping for a miracle anymore - I am just [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Kelly Nann Bell - 04 Jun 2006 13:50 GMT Kelly, I admire your spirit, but still wish the news from the neuro had been more optimistic. It's good though that you can now work at making the best of what is through rehab, etc. You remain in my prayers that your marvelous spirit carries you through this, giving you the strength and courage you need. And I'm throwing in a few requests that rehab leads to a miracle healing........ Heck, it can't hurt to ask!
Oh, and when you next talk to Diane, tell her all of that equally applies to her!
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> Thanks Jo but you know I think this is good. I can get on with life and > you know - it is good. I am not hoping for a miracle anymore - I am just [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Kelly Kelly - 02 Jun 2006 02:47 GMT Just talked to Diane. She is now in rehab and complaining about the food so things are improving. She was made to put on her shoes and tie them today. She can do her right but not her left one. Pretty good. Then they got her to stand up - couldn't do it so they brought a slide board and made her get to her wheelchair that way. Had to propel herself to physio and was suspended in a net and had to stand and if my brain remembers try to walk (but don't think so). After a bit they lowered her back into the wheelchair and when I talked to her she was in her room victoriously awaiting her meds (pain meds I suspect.) Huge gains. Keep those prayers and thoughts going. She and I are going to try to get moving at the same time - me driving, her in her walker! The steroids have knocked the RA out of her - the ms is giving her hell. I doubt she will be on tnf's again though - apparently the stomach infections are a side effect of the enbrel - she said she sort of remembers reading something about it. Apparently she ignored it too long with her mom's funeral and all. Damn again! She is back on the zanaflex though and is hoping that will help the ms symptoms.
She sends her best, Kelly
> Kelly, > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> >> Kelly Joan Carter - 02 Jun 2006 03:20 GMT >She and I are going to try to get moving at the same time - me driving, her >in her walker! The steroids have knocked the RA out of her - the ms is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >with her mom's funeral and all. Damn again! She is back on the zanaflex >though and is hoping that will help the ms symptoms. Kelly, you and Diane deserve so much respect from all of us. You saying pain going from an 8 to a 7 makes me feel humble as I hear my own whine these days. Please tell Diane for me that the two of you have my 150% support. You rock! --- Joan
Adelle - 02 Jun 2006 05:18 GMT Saying lots of prayers for you and Diane. Wishing things were better - easier, less painful... Wishing we could make it "all better."
Adelle
> Just talked to Diane. She is now in rehab and complaining about the food > so things are improving. She was made to put on her shoes and tie them [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > She sends her best, > Kelly melodymom - 02 Jun 2006 03:31 GMT Tons & oodles of hugs, Kelly. I'm sorry to hear the damage is permanent, but it's good to hear your attitude for dealing with the new circs. You ARE a survivor!
I'm sure your looks wouldn't have scared me away, pain and all... I survive my mirror every day. ;) More hugs: {{{{{{{{Kelly}}}}}}}
Hope things work well for getting your meds straightened around - and for everything else.
luv&stuff, Denise
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