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Nann Bell - 21 May 2006 03:51 GMT
Today was an absolutely beautiful day, so I decided I was going for a walk
regardless of this incredible fatigue and leg aching I've had lately.  I
walked a 2 mile route we have walked many times since moving here, going
partly through town and partly through some lovely woods.  I have been known
to walk this path in the deed of winter, through deep snow, in a half hour.  
On this beautiful spring day, it took me an hour as walking hurt my legs so
much.  Even after extra meds and a 2.5 hour nap, I've remained exhausted and
too sore to do much of anything.

We're planning a 2 day camping trip, leaving after Mike's Sunday duties
tomorrow.  I'm determined to go as we've been trying to visit these lovely
waterfalls in the UP for 2 years now.  After Memorial Day it will be much
harder to get into the campgrounds there.  I'm just crossing my fingers that
I can recover from it in time to make the dinner we have scheduled with
friends next Friday.  sigh...........  as I told my doctor, it's really
frustrating to be so wiped out you can't even play with the cat when he asks
you to!

I surely hope all the tests he had run on me last week show something and/or
the symptom diary he has me keeping gives him some more clues......

(Oh, my PCP had this little PDA-like thing he was looking up possible causes
for all of this and my low albumin while we were going over the symptoms I
have.  Some more traditional patients might mind that, but I really thought
it makes a lot of sense.  With all the knowledge out there today, it's good
for the doc to be able to look things up while you are there and can answer
questions about other possible symptoms.)

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Diane - 21 May 2006 04:51 GMT
oh, i'm sorry nann. if i walk 1/2 mile, i'm doomed for at least 2 days.
it's a given. payment for the few minutes of pleasure. sigh.

i hope you get some answers for your symptoms soon and that you can
enjoy the camping trip (if such a thing is possible).

diane, not a camper
Nann Bell - 25 May 2006 03:55 GMT
> oh, i'm sorry nann. if i walk 1/2 mile, i'm doomed for at least 2 days.
> it's a given. payment for the few minutes of pleasure. sigh.
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>
> diane, not a camper

Thanks, diane.  Walking has always been my joy and I'm glad my feet will
co-operate these days as long as I wear quality shoes.  This aching in my
legs is infuriating.  It's like folks describe with PMR, in fact I wonder if
maybe I have that and the low albumin is a different issue altogether.  Well,
at least my doc is attending to it and I should find out about the labwork
soon.

A friend from church is going to till our garden area for me/us in the next
couple of days as this has left me unable to get the soil ready.  Hopefully I
can get the seedlings planted once Tom gets it tilled for us......

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Squirrely - 21 May 2006 17:30 GMT
I hope you can do what you want or need to do Nann,

I also hope they find out what is causing all this.

Take care and know you are in my thoughts and prayers.

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> Today was an absolutely beautiful day, so I decided I was going for a walk
> regardless of this incredible fatigue and leg aching I've had lately.  I
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> questions about other possible symptoms.)
ladylove77 - 21 May 2006 18:59 GMT
Nann, hoping for the best in camping and diagnosis.  Don't you get so tired
of feeling so bad!
Gwen

> Today was an absolutely beautiful day, so I decided I was going for a walk
> regardless of this incredible fatigue and leg aching I've had lately.  I
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> answer
> questions about other possible symptoms.)
Nann Bell - 25 May 2006 05:20 GMT
> Nann, hoping for the best in camping and diagnosis.  Don't you get so tired
> of feeling so bad!
> Gwen

Amen!  someone we know tilled the garden for us while we were gone, so now I
only have to find the energy to get the seedlings in the ground.  Figures
that I'd start the seeds when my energy was relatively good!  LOL

Mike has said he'll help me plant but with his gardening experience, I'll
have to supervise him!  LOL

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Sunny52 - 22 May 2006 02:20 GMT
Fingers crossed, Nann.

I used to camp many years ago, but I still remember the peace and quiet
of a good night's sleep in the outdoors.

Bonnie
Nann Bell - 25 May 2006 05:20 GMT
> Fingers crossed, Nann.
>
> I used to camp many years ago, but I still remember the peace and quiet
> of a good night's sleep in the outdoors.
>
> Bonnie

ah, well then, you'll get a chuckle out of this story!  Mike and I have been
camping together for 15 years now, both having had a lot of camping
experience before we met.  We have always been flat out anal about always
putting the food back in the car after eating so we KNOW it's safe from the
critters.  

Sunday evening, it was about 40 degrees with a wind in the 20-30 mph range.  
We were both COLD and exhausted (Sunday being a working day for Mike).  You
guessed it, we spaced out and forgot to put the food away.  About 1 am, we
heard these noises - at first snorting sounds.  Something was definitely in
the food.  We knew it didn't sound like a bear, but couldn't tell what it was
and we weren't about to step outside the tent!  Taht was our first shot of
adreneline.

Further listening convinced us it must be some small animal(s) as it/they
seemed to be picking through the dry goods.  So we figured what will be, will
be and we might as well go back to sleep.  As we're drifting off, a dispute
arose outside with sudden loud, violent hissing.  Boy, did we jump!  LOL
Second big shot of adreneline.  Finally managed to drift back off.

Mike woke at 6 am, at sunrise, and had to see.  ALL of the Crisco had been
eaten, the 3 pouches of pancake mix were scattered everywhere, two boxes of
couscous were partially eaten, yellow rice mix was scattered, but not eaten
(chipmunks ate the rice while we were off breakfasting) - things were just a
mess, with pancake mix in and on everything.  I went back into my sleeping
bag for a while as Mike started a fire.  I returned a while later, unable to
go back to sleep.  After cleaning up a bit, we decided to drive into town to
eat as the critters had been all over the dishes, too.  At this point we were
thinking raccoons.  Later we read some stuff about common wildlife in the
park and decided it must have been pine martens (a type of weasel).

We ate out the whole two days - Mike insists on washing everything in
"scalding water" before using it for eating again.  Had a great dinner up
there, though.  And a lovely day at the falls and at a point of land that is
afamous birding area (we aren't birders, but it was interesting).  After our
cold and interrupted sleep, we took two naps during the day, morning and
afternoon.  I felt surprisingly well all day - we figure it must have been
those big bursts of adreneline during the night!  I did sleep at least half
the way back Tuesday while Mike drove.

We still can't believe we made a neophyte mistake like leaving food out.  At
least this was relatively painless.  Had it happened on day 1 of our planned
week up at Copper Harbor in July, it would have really hurt us.  And, of
course, we could have drawn a bear rather than a marten.  All in all, not too
bad a way to be reminded again to be anal about the food!

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Duckie - 24 May 2006 06:50 GMT
Ah Nann. Gentle hugs. I can do about 2 blocks before repetitive motion
takes over and causes me to have my leg muscles lock up. What is your
DMARD these days?
Duckie

> Today was an absolutely beautiful day, so I decided I was going for a walk
> regardless of this incredible fatigue and leg aching I've had lately.  I
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> for the doc to be able to look things up while you are there and can answer
> questions about other possible symptoms.)
Nann Bell - 25 May 2006 05:20 GMT
> Ah Nann. Gentle hugs. I can do about 2 blocks before repetitive motion
> takes over and causes me to have my leg muscles lock up. What is your
> DMARD these days?
> Duckie

Enbrel, only.  Off mtx thanks to this strange albumin level.  Also off
lipitor due to it for now.  sigh...........  Lining up the docs.  Didn't help
that I saw my RD's PA on my last visit - only the second time I've seen her.  
They must have been really swamped as right now he generally wants to see me
himself until all of this is resolved.

All those eyars of dancing as a kid are the only thing that's kept me moving
as I learned so much about stretching.  I'm stretching every time I turn
around it seems.  When I scooted down into my sleeping bag Sunday night, my
calves cramped up severely.  By late today they were finally easing up, after
two and a half days of constant stretching.  LOL  Mike had to wait on me
enough when walking around the falls, that he finally started stretching some
himself!  LOL

The falls were/are simply beautiful.  We're planning to return in other
seasons as this is one of the few state parks that is open year round.  Ya
know, I've never questioned Mary Z's determination to keep paddling or yours
to keep dancing as I'm the same way about camping and hiking - though I
couldn't hike this trip.  I have to get that outdoors time.  But....... this
trip I actually could see some benefits to trailer camping over tent
camping..........

(I'll get some pictures posted after I get through this next weekend.)

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Duckie - 27 May 2006 01:34 GMT
Now that sounds like my kind of camping.
Duckie

....  But....... this
> trip I actually could see some benefits to trailer camping over tent
> camping..........
>
> (I'll get some pictures posted after I get through this next weekend.)
Adelle - 24 May 2006 15:56 GMT
> Today was an absolutely beautiful day, so I decided I was going for a walk
> regardless of this incredible fatigue and leg aching I've had lately.  I
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> answer
> questions about other possible symptoms.)

Sending gentle hugs and virtual chocolate.

Adelle

P.S. - [Nann, is the pain load and fatigue more in the morning or later in
the day?

When I answered that it increased incrementally all day and it took long
times to recover from exertion, the RD suspected that the culprit wasn't my
arthritis, it might be a vitamin deficiency. And he was right.

I don't want to send you down a wrong path, or sing my song louder than
yours. It's just an easy thing to check, especially if you have been indoors
a lot.

My pain load and fatigue decreased by 80% when I started the vitamin D
supplement. Now, I also have an undiagnosed IBS/colitis kind of thing which
could also be hampering vitamin D absorption. Can't recall all of your
history. But if some of this has an easy answer - well, wouldn't that be
nice?]
Nann Bell - 25 May 2006 05:20 GMT
An easy answer would be nice...........  I fear it isn't that clear of an
increase throughout the day though.  Actually, fatigue wise, I'm usually
ready to go back to bed about 2 hours after getting up!  I stay up until
early afternoon though, so I'll sleep better when I do nap.

My PCP does have me keeping a symptom diary until I go back on June 6th.  My
labs last week were mostly normal -Albumin still low, but it has come up
considerably since April so maybe there is still hope.  I'm still much
tireder, but it isn't quite as awful and pervasive as it was for 5 weeks or
so.

It's probably not a Vit D problem though unless I'm really not absorbing it
for some reason.  I take Calcium with D 3x/day already, being osteopenic and
not wanting to lose more bone before I even reach 50!

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> Sending gentle hugs and virtual chocolate.
>
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> history. But if some of this has an easy answer - well, wouldn't that be
> nice?]
melodymom - 24 May 2006 21:57 GMT
{{{{{{Nann}}}}}}}   I know how you feel.  Did you make the trip?  Dave & I
took off for the weekend & I didn't see your post before.  If you don't
count the pain from riding in the car, it was a good weekend, but I didn't
try to do any walking this time.  Slowly getting the message...

Praying for some answers and strength for Friday's dinner - with enough
left over for playing with the cat.

luv&stuff,
Denise
melodymom - 24 May 2006 22:02 GMT
{{{{{{Nann}}}}}}}   I know how you feel.  Did you make the trip?  Dave & I
took off for the weekend & I didn't see your post before.  If you don't
count the pain from riding in the car, it was a good weekend, but I
didn't
try to do any walking this time.  Slowly getting the message...

Praying for some answers and strength for Friday's dinner - with enough
left over for playing with the cat.

luv&stuff,
Denise
Newsgroup Spambuster - 25 May 2006 00:22 GMT
{{{{{{{{{{{{{Nann}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

Sorry to hear you have been having such a rough time of it and for so
long too!

Praying that things settle down soon for you and stay that way for a
good long time.  

I imagine the crazy changes in weather we have been having certainly
don't help you cause much!

Hopefully the next time you see your RD he/she can make some suggestions
how to get you in a better place and to feeling better.

Hugs to both you and Mike and do try to take extra good care of
yourself!!!

Hugs,

Donna G
Squirrely - 25 May 2006 03:45 GMT
Hiccup, LOL ;-)

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> {{{{{{Nann}}}}}}}   I know how you feel.  Did you make the trip?  Dave & I
> took off for the weekend & I didn't see your post before.  If you don't
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> luv&stuff,
> Denise
Nann Bell - 26 May 2006 03:56 GMT
> Hiccup, LOL ;-)

Aha!  you  little divil!  LOL

hey, which is closer to a squirrel, a marten (weasel) or a chipmunk?  I'm
thinking the chipmunk is.  I'm feeling more kindly towards the chipmunks.  I
don't mind the martens taking advantage of available food - that was our
mistake - but I mind them tearing open stuff they didn't even eat! (such as
the saffron flavored yellow rice, which we love)  The chipmunks at least came
along and helped us clean up the stuff the martens spread around everywhere!  
LOL

It was rather funny to see how thoroughly they cleaned out the Crisco
can.....  Mike didn't get his favorite camping breakfast of pancakes cooked
in the open air on this trip.  

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melodymom - 26 May 2006 19:05 GMT
The squirrel is definitely closer to the chipmunk - especially when the
Squirrely One is on pred.  

Can't imagine squirrels or chipmunks killing my chickens, which weasels
have done.  :( If I ever have chickens again, remind me not to name them,
okay?  ;)
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Squirrely - 26 May 2006 20:08 GMT
Your just saying that because I said I have chipmunk cheeks. LOL ;-)

But yeah I think the chipmunk is a cousin to the squirrel and I also believe
the paririe dog is too.

I don't think they would be close to a weasel.
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> The squirrel is definitely closer to the chipmunk - especially when the
> Squirrely One is on pred.
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> luv&stuff,
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Nanny - 26 May 2006 20:15 GMT
You too, Squirrely?  My husband has always said I have chipmunk cheeks.  I'm
glad to be in such good company.  Let's go out and "squirrel around" a bit
;-)  Nanny
> Your just saying that because I said I have chipmunk cheeks. LOL ;-)
>
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>> luv&stuff,
>> squirrely's nutty friend
Squirrely - 26 May 2006 21:05 GMT
Ok Nanny,

my chipmunk cheeks are from sinuses, are your too.

Yeah we could be out be squirrely and ducking around and hiding behind
trees. (You know we can't forget Duckie). This is really quacking me up.

I am sorry too much stress, maybe things will turn around and just be
Duckie. ROFL ;-)

well you already have Chip and Dale so why not have chipmunk cheeks. LOL ;-)

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> You too, Squirrely?  My husband has always said I have chipmunk cheeks.
> I'm glad to be in such good company.  Let's go out and "squirrel around" a
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Nanny - 27 May 2006 07:23 GMT
I think I was born with my chubby cheeks!  And, then when I was on Pred,
they really got chubby, including my whole face LOL!  In fact, I was on Pred
when I had my last driver's license renewed, and it was quite apparent that
my "moon face" was the result.  My "boys" have disappeared; have yours?  (R
& R, that is ;-)  Nanny
> Ok Nanny,
>
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>>>> luv&stuff,
>>>> squirrely's nutty friend
Squirrely - 28 May 2006 01:46 GMT
Yeap someone does have Rough and Ready Nanny, I know they didn't return them
last time.

I am using cortisone cream and my face is starting to puff out. But yet my
cortisol is low level.

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>I think I was born with my chubby cheeks!  And, then when I was on Pred,
>they really got chubby, including my whole face LOL!  In fact, I was on
>Pred when I had my last driver's license renewed, and it was quite apparent
>that my "moon face" was the result.  My "boys" have disappeared; have
>yours?  (R & R, that is ;-)  Nanny
Squirrely - 26 May 2006 20:47 GMT
Nann,

Do you need a pair of glasses, those are ears on the squirrel not devil
horns. ROFL ;-)
Just picking on  you.
Yeap that was me being a devil. ;-)
See Denise is just so pickeable so I pick on her all the time.

I love chipmunks. I don't get to see any out here in Calif where I have
lived, but did back in PA. They are such cute critters.

I think the martens need a sermon on Waste not Want not. LOL ;-)

I am sorry that you lost all that food on the camping trip. But who knows
maybe you were meant to feed the critters for a reason. ;-)

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>> Hiccup, LOL ;-)
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> cooked
> in the open air on this trip.
Diane - 26 May 2006 21:33 GMT
i always had chipmunk cheeks too! they've kinda fallen since menopause
and now are more like chipmunk jowls, tho.   :-(

diane
melodymom - 26 May 2006 22:44 GMT
LOL  Ohmigosh!  Now I'm gonna think of chipmunk jowls everytime I look in
the mirror.  Joe Namath shoulders, Mario Lanza ribcage, Twiggy bust (when
I was thin), Samsonite eyes, and now Chipmunk jowls.  Will this madness
never end?

luv&stuff,
Denise
Squirrely - 27 May 2006 02:52 GMT
Actual I thought you had Joe Namath legs, but you didn't have panty hose on
so I couldn't really be sure. ROFLMAO , running and hiding.

Oh Diane, I am sorry to hear that your chipmonk cheeks went south. I don't
know if that is what I would want to go south, or what is going south on me.
Well at least with the cheeks I wouldn't get them caught in my zipper.

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> LOL  Ohmigosh!  Now I'm gonna think of chipmunk jowls everytime I look in
> the mirror.  Joe Namath shoulders, Mario Lanza ribcage, Twiggy bust (when
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> luv&stuff,
> Denise
Nanny - 27 May 2006 07:25 GMT
Probably not, Denise ;-)  Oh, one more thing - you forgot what happens to
our butts over time.  Nanny
> LOL  Ohmigosh!  Now I'm gonna think of chipmunk jowls everytime I look in
> the mirror.  Joe Namath shoulders, Mario Lanza ribcage, Twiggy bust (when
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> luv&stuff,
> Denise
Nann Bell - 28 May 2006 13:36 GMT
> LOL  Ohmigosh!  Now I'm gonna think of chipmunk jowls everytime I look in
> the mirror.  Joe Namath shoulders, Mario Lanza ribcage, Twiggy bust (when
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> luv&stuff,
> Denise

LOL!  sounds like you have a real identity crisis going on, Denise!

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melodymom - 29 May 2006 07:08 GMT
Any ol' crisis will do - gives me an excuse for feeling so frazzled  ;)

So, there's a Paradise there?  Isn't there also a Hell?  Seems to me my
sister took a daytrip to Hell, but maybe I've got the wrong state.

luv&stuff,
Denise
Navy1 - 30 May 2006 21:35 GMT
Yep, I've been there myself, years and years ago.  They had a guy
dressed like a devil wandering around.

Loujean

>Any ol' crisis will do - gives me an excuse for feeling so frazzled  ;)
>
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>luv&stuff,
>Denise
melodymom - 30 May 2006 23:22 GMT
LOL  Thanks.  I'm always happy when my memory works right, if I remember
rightly.  ;)
Denise
Nann Bell - 28 May 2006 13:36 GMT
> Nann,
>
> Do you need a pair of glasses, those are ears on the squirrel not devil
> horns. ROFL ;-)

heehee

> I love chipmunks. I don't get to see any out here in Calif where I have
> lived, but did back in PA. They are such cute critters.

aren't they?  I find it amazing that something so small manages to survive
the winters aorund here.  Tough little fellas.

> I think the martens need a sermon on Waste not Want not. LOL ;-)

<chuckle>  Mike gets logical and tells me they didn't know they couldn't eat
uncooked rice until they got it open!  ah well.

> I am sorry that you lost all that food on the camping trip. But who knows
> maybe you were meant to feed the critters for a reason. ;-)

actually, we got to go have breakfast in a nice warm restaurant and as long
as we'd driven back to Paradise already (that's the name of the nearest
town), we decided to drive up to Whitefish Point.  Saw some beautiful stuff
and learned a lot about birding up there that we wouldn't have otherwise.  
And had a delicious dinner at a restaurant/microbrewery at the upper falls -
so it all worked out.  As we kept saying, you just never know!  (Not that we
were so philosophical at 1:30 am, shivering in our heavy sleeping bags and
listening to wildlife eat our food.  Better now though than at the beginning
of our planned week out on that part of the UP that sticks out into Lake
Superior - that is *really* getting remote!)

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Squirrely - 02 Jun 2006 19:44 GMT
I love taking trips like that but can't do it anymore. Maybe one of these
days. I am a nature person at heart.

Glad it all turned out ok and didn't wreck the time you had there.

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