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NZ awyn - 16 May 2006 01:12 GMT Hi, I'm a new member, so I may have missed the talks on guilt and such....so anyone willing to write in and help me out...blessings to you! I know that arthritis & lupus are partners in crime and this group has high ratings....unfortunately the lupus groups have very low activity....I hope you don't mind me crashing your party! I have had lupus for 2 years. I was fortunately diagnosed quickly....I had a bloody ton of the symptoms and had 3 of the major triggers at once, so the doc was quick to jump on it and test me. I have had it confirmed and I know it isn't in my head. I flare now and then & yet I still fuss with accepting my limitations. I live with constant exhaustion, but I still can't seem to get with the idea of coping, depending, leaving the old me behind, etc. I was cleaning the shower the other day (sometimes a three day job....& it is not a big shower!!!) and thought 'do I want a written note from the Gods saying that I have lupus and I am allowed to be sick?' . I visited the doc and he and I both felt it was time for anti-depressants. Honestly, I am just having a hard time accepting that my independence is gone. I have been diagnosed in the past with obsessive compulsive disorder....now it has become just a mild urgency that everything is neat and tidy. I used to work and take care of myself. Now I am relying totally on my fiance to take care of everything. I used to 'be cool'....I was a river raft guide, a forensics intern, a scuba diver, an archaeology student....now, I am someone who stays at home all day with no responsibilities, no independence. I have guilt the size of mountains. I have frustrations the size of volcanoes. And I have had people recommend books, but I have found that a mass majority of the people who 'live successfully with lupus' are on steroids. This is something I have chosen NOT to do. I don't want to head down that path. So, this means that everyday is subject to the whims of my body. This means my partner's life is subject to my disease as well. Do any of you struggle with this guilt? How do you cope? I don't intend to stay on anti-depressants forever, but I am having a very hard time just accepting the changes and dependency that now rule my life. just looking for help and sorry for the whining!!!! sending warmth and light, NZ awyn
Susan Minto - 16 May 2006 03:56 GMT Welcome to our little group, I don't have Lupus but RA and know all about the guilt I was diagnosed about 2 and half years ago (but mums had RA for 30 odd years so sort of knew it was coming) I was 32 and still wanting more children decided to go with steroids as its the only safe thing to take whilst trying to get pregnant, but now two years later, 4 miscarriages, the weight from taking steroids and everything associated with flares and pain, we have decided to stop trying and go onto the heavier meds (mtx etc) but the guilt involved even though its not my fault, I still feel it sort of is, as its my disease that is making us have to decide to not have any more children ( I have one son but still would like to have had more) i'm lucky my husband is very supportive but the guilt and depression I feel is overwhelming sometimes. The only way I deal with it is to take one day at a time, do what I can not what has to be done and try on the bad days to at least 3 times put a smile on my face, even if its in the mirror. Its hard to appreciate what you have when you feel like crap but that's when you need to think about it the most. Hope my little story helps Susan (Echuca, Australia)
> Hi, > I'm a new member, so I may have missed the talks on guilt and [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > sending warmth and light, > NZ awyn Rosemarie Shiver - 16 May 2006 05:28 GMT Hiya!
Hope you remember me and I'm glad you found ASA. :-) So if not steroids, whut? You need to be on something to stop your immune system from attacking your organs.There's lots of strong stuff that ppl. here are on...what do you think your MD will have you start on?
As for the guilt...you didn't cause your Lupus. It's not an STD and it isn't caused by drugs or alcohol...so guilt can get very tiresome and when it does, discard it. You're more than the sum of what you do.
I used to do lots but then disability hit and it wasn't due to anything I did. So I hadta stop being the Someone I was and become the Someone Else I am now.
I've got OA and FM and DDD and DJD and ED-HM and spondy's....but the main thing I'm fighting right now is my RD has Dx'd me with Undifferentiated Connective Tissue Disease which is exactly between Lupus and RA on the ANA titer test. Even tho' the ligaments and tendons at my ankles and in my feet are being destroyed by my own immune system my doc sez I'm lucky to not have Lupus because what I have won't kill me.
So I'm gonna keep wondering what they'll put you on to save your life.
If you have any chocolate to share I get it because I'm the first to ask for it and I'm not only an Alphabet Hog I'm also a Chocoholic. :-)
Welcome Awyn!
Hugs from Rosie
 Signature "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." -- Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II
> Hi, > I'm a new member, so I may have missed the talks on guilt and [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > sending warmth and light, > NZ awyn Alix M. Hall - 16 May 2006 14:15 GMT I have been doing this RA thing for over 30 years and have a set of diseases and initials that go along with the auto immune stuff that rivals Rosie's!! Every now and then acceptance deserts me and I get frustrated, angry, all that sort of stuff--not guilty, though--for today--and that is always subject to change--grin--I try to just live my life today--I pick two things on my list to do--might be washing the dishes--or changing the linen on the bed--I factor in some energy left to do something I enjoy like puttering around in the garden--though I have my garden set on maximum self care by using native plants and things that take care of themselves--I have my house on the same regimen--I do what I can and leave the rest--As far as meds--I have been on pred since God was a child--back in the day there were few other options to allow me to live life--I am down to 5mg a day and that is as low as I can go--I am also on Enbrel and mtx--I think that sometimes I skate on the edge of a razor. The trade is side effects of meds vs quality of life--and I have had to work to find a med regimen that works without the side effects doing a number on me.....I rest--I flop in the pool when everything hurts--I try to live in the moment and not worry about dust kittens. I sometimes get upset about what I can't do--but that just uses energy I do not have--so I work on appreciating what I can do....like get to know nice lupies on the puter....anyway welcome to our little corner of the world--and don't listen to Rosie about the chocolate--send it all to me--I have a special vault that will keep your chocolate secure from acknowledged chocoholics......
 Signature Love, Alix
Always remember, a cat looks down on man, a dog looks up to man, but a pig will look man right in the eye and see his equal". - Winston Churchill
Charrlygrl1 - 16 May 2006 16:46 GMT Hiya!
I have ankylosing spondylitis, which isn't going to kill me, but sometimes I almost wish it would. It is an autoimmune arthritis, sort of like RA. I felt the guilt too-I always pulled my own weight around the house and at my job. Sometimes, now, I cannot. Oh well. I enjoy a nice tidy house as well, it's just that sometimes I don't have the energy to get there. I have to break things down into pieces that I can deal with...for instance, I used to vacuum the entire house in one shot. Now I do one or two rooms per day. As far as the guilt goes...it serves no purpose in this situation. It's not like you murdered someone. The disease takes away who you used to be. Even though it sometimes doesn't feel like it, it's up to you who takes the place of that person you used to be. It's going to take a while....it was once explained to me as a sort of grieving process, and rightfully so, I think. We are grieving for the person we once were. So anyway, welcome! I hope that you like it here and I hope that you will continue to update us on how you are doing! Char
ladylove77 - 16 May 2006 22:56 GMT Awyn, I don't have any of the RA type stuff, just OA, so I don't need the meds everybody takes. However, I do need, and take, antidepressants. Have been on and off them for years and this time have been on them for over 10 years. Doubt if I will ever stop them because when I try, I cry at the drop of a hat and don't want to move or do anything at all. Taking the antidepressants is the lesser of the two evils as far as I'm concerned. Now I enjoy life in spite of OA. Glad you joined us, now don't go back in the bushes. Gwen
> Hi, > I'm a new member, so I may have missed the talks on guilt and [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > sending warmth and light, > NZ awyn NZ awyn - 17 May 2006 05:19 GMT G'day! And thank you all for such a warm and lively welcome!!!! Wow. I think I needed to hear everything every single one of you said. Honestly. Let's see....there was a question about meds.... I don't know how many of you are familiar with the docs in NZ, but I have to say one thing....they do not like handing out drugs. GEEZ! And they question EVERYTHING! So for now I am on Diclofenac (anti-inflammatory....I miss my Vioxx!!!!), klonopin for anxiety (been on that one for a long time), and they just started me on effexor for depression (used to be on Wellbutrin....but that was in the States...they don't have that down here). As far as meds go, that's it. I am treating things as they come up. Because I don't want to do the steroids, I am 'robbed' of that potentially normal lupus life, but now I don't work, so I figure....I would prefer not to continuously pump my system full of drugs. I almost died last year from my lupus responding to an abnormally high level of seizure meds in my system. I had been on the same script for years, but the lupus just decided to have its way with me. That was WEIRD. The doc first brushed off my dizziness with an inner ear infection and told me I would be fine in 6 weeks. After falling on my head 25 times, not being able to watch tv, and going to the movies and not being able to focus on the screen at all....went to the doc again....he asked why I hadn't been back...I mentioned the 6 weeks comment, he takes my blood and calls me that afternoon and cuts my dose in half (risking a grand mal seizure)...tells me I am severly toxic (I have been told I am rude or that I look funny, but toxic was news to me!). So, he explained that most often this type of drug build up and poisoning is found in an autopsy....I was very polite and told him thank you. I haven't experienced seizure problems (woo-hoo) but I have the klonopin which doubles for seizure stuff. Other than all that blah-blah....no meds. Although I feel I have tried everything at least once. I decided the docs in the States liked my guinea pig attitude.
To Susan: I am so sorry about the miscarriages. My partner and I have gone through two in the past 5 months and I know it hurts. I am sorry you are having to put the idea of more children behind you. It sucks. Feel free to fret and vent and fuss all you want....I have a good ear for that. To Rosemarie: Yep, I remember you....thank you for directing me here. You know with all those letters, you should be able to construct a PhD or something and get paid big money for it. I'll start campaigning if you would like. As for Chocolate....you are talking to a fellow addict. They say that admitting there is a problem is the first step....I just don't see that there is a problem. To Alix: I think in some ways I must ghost you or something....because I pretty much do the same thing...what I can, when I can, then I call it quits. Two things: you knew God as a child???? You are sooo cool! Secondly, why in the world would you lock away chocolate? Are you sure it isn't just a secret stash for yourself??? To Char: I think you may have hit the nail on the head....I do grieve for what I once had, who I used to be. I don't know how to deal with that grief & when you combine it with the pointlessness that wraps its tentacles around me.....ick. I would rather make out with a Yeti. So, I have gone through terrible traumas and have been given all sorts of lovely labels in the past (they do that in the mental health system in the States OCD, SAD, CDD, PTSD) ...I have gone through a lot of pain in my 32 (okay almost thirty two) years...I have learned to cope with the loss of a child, the betrayal of my mate, humiliation of the public, sexual, verbal, and physical abuse....I have been therapied to the max. But this....this is all different. This is all about me stepping back and saying, I don't have control over this situation. In every other situation I have coped....learned to mentally deal with things, heal, move past the pain, live again.....this time, the physical part of this disease keeps me from moving ahead....I wake up to it every day and it doesn't matter what I tell myself.....I am not coping too well. And that is pretty rare for me. I will take all advice. To Gwen: Thank you for welcoming me.....please pass on any wisdom, comments, humour, and if you must....insults to me....I am a willing participant. Curious....what anti-depressants are you on and have you been on....as mentioned earlier....I swear I should have been paid for all the drug experiments they have pushed on me. Occasionally I check to make sure there aren't wires hanging from the back of my head!
To all of you.....Thanks!!!!! And do any of you have any really good dark chocolate brownie recipes you would care to share? I have one but I left it back in the states and they really don't seem to know what brownies are here in NZ. This isn't good....not good at all!!!! Cheers! sending warmth, peace, and light, awyn
Rosemarie Shiver - 17 May 2006 17:38 GMT :-) Kiwi, With all the chocolate lovers in my home any brownie recipe would be useless, as is the fudge recipe, because it doesn't get out of the mixing bowl.
You win the home game of "hit the newbie up for their chocolate"...good job! When you get to know who's been here and who's brand new you can vie to be the first to get virtual chocolate from first time posters.
Feel free to take out any and all frustrations you have on any SPAMmer that posts, too. It's an honored tradition at ASA. Glad yer here!
Rehugs from Rosie
 Signature "If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." -- Meat Loaf, Bat Outta Hell II
> G'day! > And thank you all for such a warm and lively welcome!!!! [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > sending warmth, peace, and light, > awyn melodymom - 17 May 2006 18:06 GMT awyn shared: "...As for Chocolate....you are talking to a fellow addict. They say that admitting there is a problem is the first step....I just don't see that there is a problem."
LOL My kind of person! Guess I have to put my fingers up on the keyboard to say "Hello." So sorry Rosie beat me to it with the chocolate grabbing, though.
Guilt is my middle name. If I still had the ability to perform daily tasks in a reasonable manner, I'm sure I'd come up with another ton of things to feel guilty about - too much rain, not enough rain, too busy, too inactive, etc. Forgot where I was going with that. LOL
Nice to meet you.
Denise aka melodymom
ladylove77 - 17 May 2006 22:17 GMT Awyn, for the last 15 years I have only used Paxil. Don't even remember what I took previously (old timers disease!-- I'm 77). Gwen
> G'day! > And thank you all for such a warm and lively welcome!!!! [quoted text clipped - 77 lines] > sending warmth, peace, and light, > awyn Plantmistress - 17 May 2006 21:03 GMT <snip>
Hi, Awyn! I am going to reply to both your posts at once (watch me multi-task!). First of all, welcome to the group. I haven't been here very long (i was just diagnosed with Psoriatic Arthritis (PA) in October 2005), but I can tell you that you have come to the right place for advice & help. The people here are just great. They share all their experiences, good or bad. The ASA prayer circle is pretty powerful, too.
FWIW, I take a whole cocktail of anti-depressants & have since long before I was diagnosed with PA. I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder that spirals into Depression with touches of OCD & SAD. Basically, I am a fruicake. :) Guilt plays a huge role in my GAD, etc. Sometimes I think I am the queen of guilt. I am slowly trying to learn how to not get caught in the cycle that leads me to the point where I can't get out of bed in the morning (because of my Depresson, not PA pain). I take Wellbutrin (I'm in the States) & Lexapro for my (for lack of a better term) mental illnesses. Is there some sort of way you could contact the makers of Wellbutrin to find out if they market it under a different name in NZ, or if there is some sort of equivalent there? It, combined with the Lexapro, has helped me to totally turn my life around. It helped me get rid of some of my exhaustion, so I could get out of bed & try to live my life a little.
You have to learn to accept your limitations. However, you do not have to stop living. Channel what energy you have into living the fullest life you can. Learn to accept that the house may be a little messy. If you can't stand that, hire some help (if you can afford it). Getting a maid to come in, even once a month, to do the heavy cleaning, can make a huge difference. You won't have to waste precious energy on scrubbing the house, you wil only have to maintain what the maid has done.
I understand that part of your guilt stems from the effect your illness is having on your fiancee's life. I feel the same way about how my illnesses affect my husband. You know what he told me? He told me that the only things that upset him about my illnesses were seeing me suffer. I'm sure your fiancee feels the same. Love is very powerful. That, and laughter are two of the world's greatest healers.
I know that we can never be wholly well or cured, but we must continue to try to live the best life we can. If you can no longer scuba dive, maybe you can try this new thing I heard about called 'snuba.' It is supposed to be easier than scuba. You are tethered to the boat by an air tube, so you don't have to deal with compressed air or weight belts, but you still get to go down & look at everything & swim around. I know it isn't exactly the same, but it might be a way for you to continue to do something you love within your new limitations.
About the chocolate. I, too, am a chocoholic. I do not admit that I have a problem. As a matter of fact, chocolate is good for you - it elevates endorphins & serotonin in the brain. So there. Those of us who are depressed have a free pass to eat chocolate - it will make us feel better. :)
Anyway, I hope I've helped, even just a little. Keep posting & letting us know how things are going.
Shannon (aka Plantmistress)
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 17 May 2006 21:45 GMT NZ we all go through this....again and again. Just when you think you've got it licked and can handle whatever life throws at you, it starts all over again. Come here as often as you need to vent. We'll listen, give you a hug, and make you laugh. Hang in there!
DeeTee
> Hi, > I'm a new member, so I may have missed the talks on guilt and [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > sending warmth and light, > NZ awyn
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