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NZ awyn - 16 May 2006 01:12 GMT
Hi,
I'm a new member, so I may have missed the talks on guilt and
such....so anyone willing to write in and help me out...blessings to
you! I know that arthritis & lupus are partners in crime and this group
has high
ratings....unfortunately the lupus groups have very low
activity....I hope you don't mind me crashing your party!
I have had lupus for 2 years. I was fortunately diagnosed quickly....I
had a bloody ton of the symptoms and had 3 of the major triggers at
once, so the doc was quick to jump on it and test me. I have had it
confirmed and I know it isn't in my head. I flare now and then & yet I
still fuss with accepting my limitations. I live with constant
exhaustion, but I still can't seem to get with the idea of coping,
depending, leaving the old me behind, etc.
I was cleaning the shower the other day (sometimes a three day job....&
it is not a big shower!!!) and
thought 'do I want a written note from the Gods saying that I have
lupus and I am allowed to be sick?' . I visited the doc and he and I
both felt it was time for anti-depressants. Honestly, I am just having
a hard time accepting that my independence is gone. I have been
diagnosed in the past with obsessive compulsive disorder....now it has
become just a mild urgency that everything is neat and tidy. I used to
work and take care of myself. Now I am relying totally on my fiance to
take care of everything. I used to 'be
cool'....I was a river raft guide, a forensics intern, a scuba diver,
an archaeology student....now, I am someone who stays at home all day
with no responsibilities, no independence.
I have guilt the size of mountains. I have frustrations the size of
volcanoes. And I have had people recommend books, but I have found that
a mass majority of the people who 'live successfully with lupus' are on
steroids. This is something I have chosen NOT to do. I don't want to
head down that path.
So, this means that everyday is subject to the whims of my body. This
means my partner's life is subject to my disease as well.
Do any of you struggle with this guilt? How do you cope? I don't intend
to stay on anti-depressants forever, but I am having a very hard time
just accepting the changes and dependency that now rule my life.
just looking for help and sorry for the whining!!!!
sending warmth and light,
NZ awyn
Susan Minto - 16 May 2006 03:56 GMT
Welcome to our little group,
I don't have Lupus but RA and know all about the guilt I was diagnosed about
2 and half years ago (but mums had RA for 30 odd years so sort of knew it
was coming) I was 32 and still wanting more children decided to go with
steroids as its the only safe thing to take whilst trying to get pregnant,
but now two years later, 4 miscarriages, the weight from taking steroids and
everything associated with flares and pain, we have decided to stop trying
and go onto the heavier meds (mtx etc) but the guilt involved even though
its not my fault, I still feel it sort of is, as its my disease that is
making us have to decide to not have any more children ( I have one son but
still would like to have had more) i'm lucky my husband is very supportive
but the guilt and depression I feel is overwhelming sometimes.
The only way I deal with it is to take one day at a time, do what I can not
what has to be done and try on the bad days to at least 3 times put a smile
on my face, even if its in the mirror. Its hard to appreciate what you have
when you feel like crap but that's when you need to think about it the most.
Hope my little story helps
Susan (Echuca, Australia)

> Hi,
> I'm a new member, so I may have missed the talks on guilt and
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> sending warmth and light,
> NZ awyn
Rosemarie Shiver - 16 May 2006 05:28 GMT
Hiya!

   Hope you remember me and I'm glad you found ASA. :-) So if not steroids,
whut? You need to be on something to stop your immune system from attacking
your organs.There's lots of strong stuff that ppl. here are on...what do you
think your MD will have you start on?

   As for the guilt...you didn't cause your Lupus. It's not an STD and it
isn't caused by drugs or alcohol...so guilt can get very tiresome and when
it does, discard it. You're more than the sum of what you do.

   I used to do lots but then disability hit and it wasn't due to anything
I did. So I hadta stop being the Someone I was and become the Someone Else I
am now.

    I've got OA and FM and DDD and DJD and ED-HM and spondy's....but the
main thing I'm fighting right now is my RD has Dx'd me with Undifferentiated
Connective Tissue Disease which is exactly between Lupus and RA on the ANA
titer test. Even tho' the ligaments and tendons at my ankles and in my feet
are being destroyed by my own immune system my doc sez I'm lucky to not have
Lupus because what I have won't kill me.

   So I'm gonna keep wondering what they'll put you on to save your life.

   If you have any chocolate to share I get it because I'm the first to ask
for it and I'm not only an Alphabet Hog I'm also a Chocoholic. :-)

    Welcome Awyn!

Hugs from Rosie

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"If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." -- Meat Loaf, Bat
Outta Hell II

> Hi,
> I'm a new member, so I may have missed the talks on guilt and
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> sending warmth and light,
> NZ awyn
Alix M. Hall - 16 May 2006 14:15 GMT
I have been doing this RA thing for over 30 years and have a set of diseases
and initials that go along with the auto immune stuff that rivals Rosie's!!
Every now and then acceptance deserts me and I get frustrated, angry, all
that sort of stuff--not guilty, though--for today--and that is always
subject to change--grin--I try to just live my life today--I pick two things
on my list to do--might be washing the dishes--or changing the linen on the
bed--I factor in some energy left to do something I enjoy like puttering
around in the garden--though I have my garden set on maximum self care by
using native plants and things that take care of themselves--I have my house
on the same regimen--I do what I can and leave the rest--As far as meds--I
have been on pred since God was a child--back in the day there were few
other options to allow me to live life--I am down to 5mg a day and that is
as low as I can go--I am also on Enbrel and mtx--I think that sometimes I
skate on the edge of a razor.  The trade is side effects of meds vs quality
of life--and I have had to work to find a med regimen that works without the
side effects doing a number on me.....I rest--I flop in the  pool when
everything hurts--I try to live in the moment and not worry about dust
kittens.  I sometimes  get upset about what I can't do--but that just uses
energy I do not have--so I work on appreciating what I can do....like get to
know nice lupies on the puter....anyway welcome to our little corner of the
world--and don't listen to Rosie about the chocolate--send it all to me--I
have a special vault that will keep your chocolate secure from acknowledged
chocoholics......

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Love,
        Alix

Always remember, a cat looks down on man, a dog looks up to man,
but a pig will look  man right in the eye and see his equal".
- Winston Churchill

Charrlygrl1 - 16 May 2006 16:46 GMT
Hiya!

I have ankylosing spondylitis, which isn't going to kill me, but
sometimes I almost wish it would. It is an autoimmune arthritis, sort
of like RA.
I felt the guilt too-I always pulled my own weight around the house and
at my job. Sometimes, now, I cannot. Oh well. I enjoy a nice tidy house
as well, it's just that sometimes I don't have the energy to get there.
I have to break things down into pieces that I can deal with...for
instance, I used to vacuum the entire house in one shot. Now I do one
or two rooms per day. As far as the guilt goes...it serves no purpose
in this situation. It's not like you murdered someone. The disease
takes away who you used to be. Even though it sometimes doesn't feel
like it, it's up to you who takes the place of that person you used to
be. It's going to take a while....it was once explained to me as a sort
of grieving process, and rightfully so, I think. We are grieving for
the person we once were.
So anyway, welcome! I hope that you like it here and I hope that you
will continue to update us on how you are doing!
Char
ladylove77 - 16 May 2006 22:56 GMT
Awyn, I don't have any of the RA type stuff, just OA, so I don't need the
meds everybody takes.  However, I do need, and take, antidepressants.  Have
been on and off them for years and this time have been on them for over 10
years.  Doubt if I will ever stop them because when I try, I cry at the drop
of a hat and don't want to move or do anything at all.  Taking the
antidepressants is the lesser of the two evils as far as I'm concerned.  Now
I enjoy life in spite of OA. Glad you joined us, now don't go back in the
bushes.
Gwen

> Hi,
> I'm a new member, so I may have missed the talks on guilt and
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> sending warmth and light,
> NZ awyn
NZ awyn - 17 May 2006 05:19 GMT
G'day!
And thank you all for such a warm and lively welcome!!!!
Wow. I think I needed to hear everything every single one of you said.
Honestly.
Let's see....there was a question about meds....
I don't know how many of you are familiar with the docs in NZ, but I
have to say one thing....they do not like handing out drugs. GEEZ! And
they question EVERYTHING! So for now I am on Diclofenac
(anti-inflammatory....I miss my Vioxx!!!!), klonopin for anxiety (been
on that one for a long time), and they just started me on effexor for
depression (used to be on Wellbutrin....but that was in the
States...they don't have that down here).
As far as meds go, that's it. I am treating things as they come up.
Because I don't want to do the steroids, I am 'robbed' of that
potentially normal lupus life, but now I don't work, so I figure....I
would prefer not to continuously pump my system full of drugs. I almost
died last year from my lupus responding to an abnormally high level of
seizure meds in my system. I had been on the same script for years, but
the lupus just decided to have its way with me. That was WEIRD. The doc
first brushed off my dizziness with an inner ear infection and told me
I would be fine in 6 weeks. After falling on my head 25 times, not
being able to watch tv, and going to the movies and not being able to
focus on the screen at all....went to the doc again....he asked why I
hadn't been back...I mentioned the 6 weeks comment, he takes my blood
and calls me that afternoon and cuts my dose in half (risking a grand
mal seizure)...tells me I am severly toxic (I have been told I am rude
or that I look funny, but toxic was news to me!). So, he explained that
most often this type of drug build up and poisoning is found in an
autopsy....I was very polite and told him thank you.
I haven't experienced seizure problems (woo-hoo) but I have the
klonopin which doubles for seizure stuff. Other than all that
blah-blah....no meds. Although I feel I have tried everything at least
once. I decided the docs in the States liked my guinea pig attitude.

To Susan: I am so sorry about the miscarriages. My partner and I have
gone through two in the past 5 months and I know it hurts. I am sorry
you are having to put the idea of more children behind you. It sucks.
Feel free to fret and vent and fuss all you want....I have a good ear
for that.
To Rosemarie: Yep, I remember you....thank you for directing me here.
You know with all those letters, you should be able to construct a PhD
or something and get paid big money for it. I'll start campaigning if
you would like. As for Chocolate....you are talking to a fellow addict.
They say that admitting there is a problem is the first step....I just
don't see that there is a problem.
To Alix: I think in some ways I must ghost you or something....because
I pretty much do the same thing...what I can, when I can, then I call
it quits. Two things: you knew God as a child???? You are sooo cool!
Secondly, why in the world would you lock away chocolate? Are you sure
it isn't just a secret stash for yourself???
To Char: I think you may have hit the nail on the head....I do grieve
for what I once had, who I used to be. I don't know  how to deal with
that grief & when you combine it with the  pointlessness that wraps its
tentacles around me.....ick. I would rather make out with a Yeti. So, I
have gone through terrible traumas and have been given all sorts of
lovely labels in the past (they do that in the mental health system in
the States OCD, SAD, CDD, PTSD) ...I have gone through a lot of pain in
my 32 (okay almost thirty two) years...I have learned to cope with the
loss of a child, the betrayal of my mate, humiliation of the public,
sexual, verbal, and physical abuse....I have been therapied to the max.
But this....this is all different. This is all about me stepping back
and saying, I don't have control over this situation. In every other
situation I have coped....learned to mentally deal with things, heal,
move past the pain, live again.....this time, the physical part of this
disease keeps me from moving ahead....I wake up to it every day and it
doesn't matter what I tell myself.....I am not coping too well. And
that is pretty rare for me. I will take all advice.
To Gwen: Thank you for welcoming me.....please pass on any wisdom,
comments, humour, and if you must....insults to me....I am a willing
participant. Curious....what anti-depressants are you on and have you
been on....as mentioned earlier....I swear I should have been paid for
all the drug experiments they have pushed on me. Occasionally I check
to make sure there aren't wires hanging from the back of my head!

To all of you.....Thanks!!!!! And do any of you have any really good
dark chocolate brownie recipes you would care to share? I have one but
I left it back in the states and they really don't seem to know what
brownies are here in NZ. This isn't good....not good at all!!!!
Cheers!
sending warmth, peace, and light,
awyn
Rosemarie Shiver - 17 May 2006 17:38 GMT
:-) Kiwi,

  With all the chocolate lovers in my home any brownie recipe would be
useless, as is the fudge recipe, because it doesn't get out of the mixing
bowl.

   You win the home game of  "hit the newbie up for their chocolate"...good
job! When you get to know who's been here and who's brand new you can vie to
be the first to get virtual chocolate from first time posters.

    Feel free to take out any and all frustrations you have on any SPAMmer
that posts, too. It's an honored tradition at ASA. Glad yer here!

Rehugs from Rosie

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"If you wanna get it done, you gotta fight for yourself." -- Meat Loaf, Bat
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> G'day!
> And thank you all for such a warm and lively welcome!!!!
[quoted text clipped - 77 lines]
> sending warmth, peace, and light,
> awyn
melodymom - 17 May 2006 18:06 GMT
awyn shared:
"...As for Chocolate....you are talking to a fellow addict.
They say that admitting there is a problem is the first step....I just
don't see that there is a problem."

LOL  My kind of person!  Guess I have to put my fingers up on the keyboard
to say "Hello."  So sorry Rosie beat me to it with the chocolate grabbing,
though.

Guilt is my middle name.  If I still had the ability to perform daily
tasks in a reasonable manner, I'm sure I'd come up with another ton of
things to feel guilty about - too much rain, not enough rain, too busy,
too inactive, etc.  Forgot where I was going with that.  LOL

Nice to meet you.

Denise
aka melodymom
ladylove77 - 17 May 2006 22:17 GMT
Awyn, for the last 15 years I have only used Paxil.  Don't even remember
what I took previously (old timers disease!-- I'm 77).
Gwen

> G'day!
> And thank you all for such a warm and lively welcome!!!!
[quoted text clipped - 77 lines]
> sending warmth, peace, and light,
> awyn
Plantmistress - 17 May 2006 21:03 GMT
<snip>

Hi, Awyn!  I am going to reply to both your posts at once (watch me
multi-task!).  First of all, welcome to the group.  I haven't been here
very long (i was just diagnosed with Psoriatic Arthritis (PA) in
October 2005), but I can tell you that you have come to the right place
for advice & help.  The people here are just great.  They share all
their experiences, good or bad.  The ASA prayer circle is pretty
powerful, too.

FWIW, I take a whole cocktail of anti-depressants & have since long
before I was diagnosed with PA.  I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder
that spirals into Depression with touches of OCD & SAD.  Basically, I
am a fruicake. :)  Guilt plays a huge role in my GAD, etc.  Sometimes I
think I am the queen of guilt.  I am slowly trying to learn how to not
get caught in the cycle that leads me to the point where I can't get
out of bed in the morning (because of my Depresson, not PA pain).  I
take Wellbutrin (I'm in the States) & Lexapro for my (for lack of a
better term) mental illnesses.  Is there some sort of way you could
contact the makers of Wellbutrin to find out if they market it under a
different name in NZ, or if there is some sort of equivalent there?
It, combined with the Lexapro, has helped me to totally turn my life
around.  It helped me get rid of some of my exhaustion, so I could get
out of bed & try to live my life a little.

You have to learn to accept your limitations.  However, you do not have
to stop living.  Channel what energy you have into living the fullest
life you can.  Learn to accept that the house may be a little messy.
If you can't stand that, hire some help (if you can afford it).
Getting a maid to come in, even once a month, to do the heavy cleaning,
can make a huge difference.  You won't have to waste precious energy on
scrubbing the house, you wil only have to maintain what the maid has
done.

I understand that part of your guilt stems from the effect your illness
is having on your fiancee's life.  I feel the same way about how my
illnesses affect my husband.  You know what he told me?  He told me
that the only things that upset him about my illnesses were seeing me
suffer.  I'm sure your fiancee feels the same.  Love is very powerful.
That, and laughter are two of the world's greatest healers.

I know that we can never be wholly well or cured, but we must continue
to try to live the best life we can.  If you can no longer scuba dive,
maybe you can try this new thing I heard about called 'snuba.'  It is
supposed to be easier than scuba.  You are tethered to the boat by an
air tube, so you don't have to deal with compressed air or weight
belts, but you still get to go down & look at everything & swim around.
I know it isn't exactly the same, but it might be a way for you to
continue to do something you love within your new limitations.

About the chocolate.  I, too, am a chocoholic.  I do not admit that I
have a problem.  As a matter of fact, chocolate is good for you - it
elevates endorphins & serotonin in the brain.  So there.  Those of us
who are depressed have a free pass to eat chocolate - it will make us
feel better. :)

Anyway, I hope I've helped, even just a little.  Keep posting & letting
us know how things are going.

Shannon (aka Plantmistress)
DeeTee and Bob Taggart - 17 May 2006 21:45 GMT
NZ we all go through this....again and again. Just when you think you've got
it licked and can handle whatever life throws at you, it starts all over
again. Come here as often as you need to vent. We'll listen, give you a hug,
and make you laugh. Hang in there!

DeeTee

> Hi,
> I'm a new member, so I may have missed the talks on guilt and
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> sending warmth and light,
> NZ awyn
 
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