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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / May 2006OTP - Who are you calling?
Paper Reports NSA Collecting Phone Records WASHINGTON (AP) - The government is secretly collecting records of ordinary Americans' phone calls in an effort to build a database of every call made within the country, it was reported Thursday. AT&T, Verizon and BellSouth telephone companies began turning over records of tens of millions of their customers' phone calls to the National Security Agency program shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, said USA Today, citing anonymous sources it said had direct knowledge of the arrangement. The program does not involve listening to or taping the calls. Instead it documents who talks to whom in personal and business calls, whether local or long distance, by tracking which numbers are called, the newspaper said. The NSA and the Office of National Intelligence Director did not immediately respond to requests for comment. NSA is the same spy agency that conducts the controversial domestic eavesdropping program that has been acknowledged by President Bush. The president said last year that he authorized the NSA to listen, without warrants, to international phone calls involving Americans suspected of terrorist links. The report came as the former NSA director, Gen. Michael Hayden - Bush's choice to take over leadership of the CIA - was set to visit lawmakers on Capitol Hill Thursday. Hayden already faced criticism because of the NSA's secret domestic eavesdropping program. As head of the NSA from March 1999 to April 2005, Hayden also would have overseen the call-tracking program. The NSA wants the database of domestic call records to look for any patterns that might suggest terrorist activity, USA Today said. Don Weber, a senior spokesman for the NSA, told the paper that the agency operates within the law, but would not comment further on its operations. One big telecommunications company, Qwest, has refused to turn over records to the program, the newspaper said, because of privacy and legal concerns. 05/11/06 09:32 © Copyright The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information contained In this news report may not be published, broadcast or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. > Paper Reports NSA Collecting Phone Records > > WASHINGTON (AP) - The government is secretly collecting records of > ordinary Americans' phone calls in an effort to build a database of > every call made within the country, it was reported Thursday. > (rest of story snipped) well, if they're checking our records, they'll get to know our doctors' numbers well! LOL other than that, mostly a couple of parishioners and the local earthlink number...............  SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare And I am glad they do. If you are talking to someone that is doing its best to do us harm,,,, I want someone to listen or know about it. If you do not feel this way,,,, tell us now. Harv > Paper Reports NSA Collecting Phone Records > > WASHINGTON (AP) - The government is secretly collecting records of > ordinary Americans' phone calls in an effort to build a database of every > call made within the country, it was reported Thursday. > And I am glad they do. If you are talking to someone that is doing its > best to do us harm,,,, I want someone to listen or know about it. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> ordinary Americans' phone calls in an effort to build a database of every >> call made within the country, it was reported Thursday. You apparently don't realize that this has nothing to do with security, it's a plain invasion of our privacy, it's also illegal. Terry > You apparently don't realize that this has nothing to do with security, > it's a plain invasion of our privacy, it's also illegal. > > Terry That is pure political bull sh.t and it is legal and approved by the house and senate with dem's on the committees that would squeeeel like a pig if there was any truth to your spin. Please find something real to worry about and I will join you. Harv >> You apparently don't realize that this has nothing to do with security, >> it's a plain invasion of our privacy, it's also illegal. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > about and I will join you. > Harv Not true, there is a law that forbids telcos from giving your information. You are one of the republican that can't see the forest for the trees. I am also a republican and tired of the practices of the administration. Then why didn't Qwest give the information in 2001? Simply because they knew it was against the law. The others did it for money. Terry Now that they have these lists maybe I can finally learn the identity of the telemarketers who continually call me and do not have the balls to be on line when I answer. I get a totally annoying beep for 30 seconds and then a disconnect. I have no idea who they are so I cannot complain to anyone to get them to cease. Cheers Lee O. Lee, I believe some one told me once that these were computer run lines, and when some one answers, the computer puts the call through to the telemarketers. If no telemarketer answers, the computer hangs up. Yes, they are very irritating, even to the phone company, because they don't have any way to trace them either. You know, it seems as soon as we get a new invention or development, somebody has to spend time getting around it. Just can't understand it. Loujean >Now that they have these lists maybe I can finally learn the identity of >the telemarketers who continually call me and do not have the balls to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Cheers Lee O. There are some devices which sometimes help. There is a small "box" which you can plug into any phone jack, and, when someone answers the phone (even the answering machine) it puts out the 3 tones which the phone company uses to indicate that the line is not in service. The computers automatically remove the number from their databases. A couple of years ago, I bought some from RadioShak, and plugged on into my line and one into my father's line. When the line rings, we pick up and there's no one there (the computer disconnected) and we don't get more strange calls for a while. If there is a live person there, I DEMAND to know who is calling, the name of the company (and not just an abbreviation), why they are calling and a call back number. I tell them that I don't give any information unless I'm the one making the call. If the person at the other wants me to identify myself, I tell them, "You called me. If you don't know who I am, this is an illegal call." Thanks for the responses Norman & Loujean, I don't use my phone very much and sometimes it seems that these marketing calls only serve to let me know tat my phone still works. :-) Speaking of telephones, did you know that all old cell phones can be used to call for help on 911? No need to subscribe to a plan. I picked one up, complete with charger and case for only $4 at a thrift store. Now I can take that everywhere I go, even the golf course, and get help if needed. Cheers Lee O. > Thanks for the responses Norman & Loujean, > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cheers Lee O. Keep in mind you have to be able to tell 911 where you are with a cell phone. It is very difficult to triangulate a position for them. GaryZ GaryZ wrote: >Keep in mind you have to be able to tell > 911 where you are with a cell phone. It > is very difficult to triangulate a position > for them. GaryZ Good point, Gary. Thanks for the heads up. Also, since the old (without service) phones cannot receive calls, you must stay on the line with them or be able to call back. Cheers Lee O. > Not true, there is a law that forbids telcos from giving your information. > You are one of the republican that can't see the forest for the trees. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Terry The truth of it is this is all about the general taking over the CIA. Its a real group hug full of half truths and spin. Enough, enough,,, lets just watch it play out,,,, what you and I say changes nothing. Harv I agree with you, Harv! I agree with you, Harv! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ~ Connie~ Hi Connie, I run my moth so much,,, as a favor to me,,, just put a little of what I have said so that I will remember it. :-) or not,,,, its nice to be agreed with anyway. Harv I think the UK is doing more less the same. One of the things I really hate is the continuous social engineering that goes on. The authorities seem to be into everything. In the days of the 1 megabyte disk drive I don't suppose they would have had the capacity for all these records. Peter |
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