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KJ - 05 May 2006 03:50 GMT My kids are struggling with this math problem, and Bob is in bed (he's the math wiz!). I am NO HELP, I think the math teacher is insane!!!. Can anyone get us headed in the right direction? (They have to show the work so we need to know HOW to get the answer) I know there are some amazingly smart people here. I just hope some of you are still awake!
Here goes:
Two bicyclists 2 miles apart start pedaling toward each other traveling at 9 and 10 mph respectively. A fly flies at 12 mph from one bicycle to the other, turns around instantly and flies back to the other bike. If the fly continues this until the bicylces meet, how many miles does the fly travel?
(IMHO the answer is: WHO IN HECK CARES?)
Many many thanks in advance!!!
~KJ
Angela - 05 May 2006 03:58 GMT KJ
I have no idea but I feel for you. I always hated those problems. I asked my daughter (who graduates H.S. in 3 weeks) and she can't remember. She's still trying........... if she comes up with it, I'll let you know.
Angela
ladylove77 - 05 May 2006 04:28 GMT KJ, I'm with you. Who cares! Gwen
> My kids are struggling with this math problem, and Bob is in bed (he's > the math wiz!). I am NO HELP, I think the math teacher is insane!!!. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > ~KJ Nann Bell - 05 May 2006 04:55 GMT I can't recall the trickster way of calculating it and the slow,tedious way can't be readily explained and I doubt it's what the teacher wants. Blast it, I know there's some kind of formula. Isn't there some website that helps with homework?
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RoseB - 05 May 2006 05:25 GMT >I can't recall the trickster way of calculating it and the slow,tedious way >can't be readily explained and I doubt it's what the teacher wants. Blast >it, I know there's some kind of formula. Isn't there some website that helps >with homework? There is but only until about ten PM Eastern Time, so it is too late.
www.homeworkhelper.com is one. Rose @}>->-- Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it. RB
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vickie b. - 05 May 2006 10:54 GMT Here's my answer:
rt=d first biker: 9t=2-(10t) second biker: 10t=2-9t
Work either equation 9t=2-10t 19t=2 t=2/19
Fly: 12(2/19)-24/19 miles
You might check my math! <g>
Let me if I'm right or wrong,
Vickie B.
Navy1 - 05 May 2006 21:06 GMT i did it a different way but came up with the same miles biker a takes 9/60 to reach the common point = 6.6 biker b takes 10/60 to reach the common point = 6
added together and divided by two, they each ridea mile in 6.3 minutes
the fly flys a mile in 5 minutes so 6.3/5 = 1.26 miles or 24/19
For heaven's sake, let us know! LOL
Loujean
>Here's my answer: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Vickie B. Taneli Huuskonen - 06 May 2006 13:14 GMT Je 2006-05-05, Navy1 <medical23FISHkidoo@sc.rr.com> skribis:
> i did it a different way but came up with the same miles > biker a takes 9/60 to reach the common point = 6.6 > biker b takes 10/60 to reach the common point = 6 Typo? I presume you meant 60/9 and 60/10, respectively.
> added together and divided by two, they each ridea mile in 6.3 > minutes This is a good approximation if the speeds are close enough to each other, but unfortunately it doesn't give the exact answer unless the speeds are actually equal. As the speed difference grows, the accuracy deteriorates, and in drastic cases this kind of calculation gives results that don't make any sense. Let's say a snail starts to cross a railway bridge, and it's going to get to get to the midpoint in one hour exactly. At the same time, a speeding train enters the bridge, reaching the midpoint in a few seconds. Now it won't take half an hour for the train and the snail to meet.
> the fly flys a mile in 5 minutes so 6.3/5 = 1.26 miles or 24/19 Your method, performed with exact fractions, would yield
(60/9 + 60/10) / 2 / 5 = (20/3 + 6) / 10 = 38/30 = 19/15,
which is close indeed to Vickie's correct answer, 24/19, but not the same. The difference is 1/285 mile, which would show up in the third decimal.
Come to think of it, your calculation would yield the exact answer if the faster biker suddenly slowed down to 9 mph at the midpoint. Imagining the same in the case of the train, completely ignoring physics, would yield a similar result: if the train rushed to the midpoint at full speed, then suddenly slowed down literally to a snail's pace, it'd take half an hour for the two to meet. "Train is train and snail is snail, and in half an hour the twain shall meet."
Actually, large part of maths research, which I do for a living, consists in making all kinds of educated guesses at what might or might not work. The other part is winnowing through the guesses and separating the wheat from the chaff.
Regards, Taneli
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RoseB - 05 May 2006 04:58 GMT >Here goes: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >~KJ Here is a similar problem, so you may be able to figure out your answer by converting the numbers. http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~lori/mathed/problems/mg000.html
or
http://puzzle.dse.nl/math/index_us.html#traveling_bird
All I can say is make a diagram. LOL
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Cindy - 05 May 2006 14:31 GMT And what grade is this????YIKES.. Cindy
> My kids are struggling with this math problem, and Bob is in bed (he's > the math wiz!). I am NO HELP, I think the math teacher is insane!!!. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > ~KJ Alix M. Hall - 05 May 2006 19:20 GMT Does anyone speak fly? We could put a flyometer on her and measure it.....You know--not one time in my entire adult life have I had to calculate how far a fly flies between two bicyclists!! LOL Hope the more serious answers helped.....
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> And what grade is this????YIKES.. > Cindy [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> ~KJ Diane - 05 May 2006 21:23 GMT isn't this a classic math problem? seems to me i remember something about it in the movie A BEAUTIFUL MIND.
diane, who doesn't even understand the answer, much less the question
RoseB - 06 May 2006 00:48 GMT >isn't this a classic math problem? seems to me i remember something >about it in the movie A BEAUTIFUL MIND. > >diane, who doesn't even understand the answer, much less the question I think it is a clasic, as there are several references to the same type of problem. What is more confusing with this one is the distances used. When I asked my intermediate teacher colleagues, they wondered if maybe the teacher had taken the old problem and substituted some different numbers. Things don't work out quite as nicely with these figures. Rose @}>->-- Being educated means that rather than fearing the unknown, one seeks to understand it. RB
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gail - 06 May 2006 08:11 GMT Hi Everyone, I bet the teacher never thought anyone would think up this way of getting the solution - great idea. And gets our brains in motion too. Well done. Gail
Norman - 06 May 2006 03:31 GMT
> Here goes: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the fly continues this until the bicylces meet, how many miles does the > fly travel? I won't give you the answer, but I will tell you how I think it should be done (I tell the same thing to my girlfriends kids).
First, you have to figure out how much time it will take for the two bikes to meet (moderate level high school algebra). Then figure out how far the fly will have travelled in this time (at 12 mhp).
The part that makes it a little harder is that the two bike are travelling at different speeds. If they were travelling at the same speed, they would each travel half the distance.
melodymom - 09 May 2006 03:42 GMT Please please please, no more math problems here. Too depressing! LOL So, what's the answer?
Denise de moron...
Nanny - 10 May 2006 00:37 GMT I agree, Denise, we want more answers and less questions! ;-) Nanny
> Please please please, no more math problems here. Too depressing! LOL > So, what's the answer? > > Denise > de moron... melodymom - 10 May 2006 01:38 GMT Hi, Nanny! Long time no hugs... {{{{{Nanny}}}}} luv&stuff
Nanny - 10 May 2006 16:35 GMT Thank you - received warmly! Nanny
> Hi, Nanny! Long time no hugs... > {{{{{Nanny}}}}} > luv&stuff Taneli Huuskonen - 12 May 2006 19:23 GMT Je 2006-05-09, melodymom <melodymom51@nospamyahoo.com> skribis:
> Please please please, no more math problems here. Too depressing! LOL Hey, maths is great fun! See http://www.mathsisfun.com if you don't believe me. :-)
> So, what's the answer? The bikes are approaching each other at 9 + 10 = 19 mph, so it takes them 2/19 hour to meet. The speed of the fly is 12 mph, so it flies 12 * 2/19 = 24/19 miles.
Regards, Taneli
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Nann Bell - 13 May 2006 04:07 GMT > Je 2006-05-09, melodymom <melodymom51@nospamyahoo.com> skribis: >> Please please please, no more math problems here. Too depressing! LOL [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Regards, > Taneli That's what I couldn't remember! It looks so familiar now that someone is showing us how ;-)
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