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KJ - 05 May 2006 03:50 GMT
My kids are struggling with this math problem, and Bob is in bed (he's
the math wiz!). I am NO HELP, I think the math teacher is insane!!!.
Can anyone get us headed in the right direction? (They have to show the
work so we need to know HOW to get the answer) I know there are some
amazingly smart people here. I just hope some of you are still awake!

Here goes:

Two bicyclists 2 miles apart start pedaling toward each other traveling
at 9 and 10 mph respectively. A fly flies at 12 mph from one bicycle to
the other, turns around instantly and flies back to the other bike. If
the fly continues this until the bicylces meet, how many miles does the
fly travel?

(IMHO the answer is: WHO IN HECK CARES?)

Many many thanks in advance!!!

~KJ
Angela - 05 May 2006 03:58 GMT
KJ

I have no idea but I feel for you.  I always hated those problems. I
asked my daughter (who graduates H.S. in 3 weeks) and she can't
remember.  She's still trying........... if she comes up with it, I'll
let you know.

Angela
ladylove77 - 05 May 2006 04:28 GMT
KJ, I'm with you.  Who cares!
Gwen

> My kids are struggling with this math problem, and Bob is in bed (he's
> the math wiz!). I am NO HELP, I think the math teacher is insane!!!.
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>
> ~KJ
Nann Bell - 05 May 2006 04:55 GMT
I can't recall the trickster way of calculating it and the slow,tedious way
can't be readily explained and I doubt it's what the teacher wants.   Blast
it, I know there's some kind of formula.  Isn't there some website that helps
with homework?

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RoseB - 05 May 2006 05:25 GMT
>I can't recall the trickster way of calculating it and the slow,tedious way
>can't be readily explained and I doubt it's what the teacher wants.   Blast
>it, I know there's some kind of formula.  Isn't there some website that helps
>with homework?
There is but only until about ten PM Eastern Time, so it is too late.

www.homeworkhelper.com is one.
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vickie b. - 05 May 2006 10:54 GMT
Here's my answer:

rt=d
first biker:  9t=2-(10t)
second biker: 10t=2-9t

Work either equation
9t=2-10t
19t=2
t=2/19

Fly:  12(2/19)-24/19 miles

You might check my math! <g>

Let me if I'm right or wrong,

Vickie B.
Navy1 - 05 May 2006 21:06 GMT
i did it a different way but came up with the same miles
biker a takes 9/60 to reach the common point = 6.6
biker b takes 10/60 to reach the common point = 6

added together and divided by two, they each ridea mile in  6.3
minutes

the fly flys a mile in 5 minutes so 6.3/5 = 1.26 miles or 24/19

For heaven's sake, let us know! LOL

Loujean

>Here's my answer:
>
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>
>Vickie B.
Taneli Huuskonen - 06 May 2006 13:14 GMT
Je 2006-05-05, Navy1 <medical23FISHkidoo@sc.rr.com> skribis:
> i did it a different way but came up with the same miles
> biker a takes 9/60 to reach the common point = 6.6
> biker b takes 10/60 to reach the common point = 6

Typo?  I presume you meant 60/9 and 60/10, respectively.

> added together and divided by two, they each ridea mile in  6.3
> minutes

This is a good approximation if the speeds are close enough to each
other, but unfortunately it doesn't give the exact answer unless the
speeds are actually equal.  As the speed difference grows, the accuracy
deteriorates, and in drastic cases this kind of calculation gives
results that don't make any sense.  Let's say a snail starts to cross a
railway bridge, and it's going to get to get to the midpoint in one hour
exactly.  At the same time, a speeding train enters the bridge, reaching
the midpoint in a few seconds.  Now it won't take half an hour for the
train and the snail to meet.

> the fly flys a mile in 5 minutes so 6.3/5 = 1.26 miles or 24/19

Your method, performed with exact fractions, would yield

(60/9 + 60/10) / 2 / 5 = (20/3 + 6) / 10 = 38/30 = 19/15,

which is close indeed to Vickie's correct answer, 24/19, but not the
same.  The difference is 1/285 mile, which would show up in the third
decimal.

Come to think of it, your calculation would yield the exact answer if
the faster biker suddenly slowed down to 9 mph at the midpoint.
Imagining the same in the case of the train, completely ignoring
physics, would yield a similar result: if the train rushed to the
midpoint at full speed, then suddenly slowed down literally to a snail's
pace, it'd take half an hour for the two to meet.  "Train is train and
snail is snail, and in half an hour the twain shall meet."

Actually, large part of maths research, which I do for a living,
consists in making all kinds of educated guesses at what might or might
not work.  The other part is winnowing through the guesses and
separating the wheat from the chaff.

Regards,
Taneli
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RoseB - 05 May 2006 04:58 GMT
>Here goes:
>
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>
>~KJ

Here is a similar problem, so you may be able to figure out your
answer by converting the numbers.
http://www.geom.uiuc.edu/~lori/mathed/problems/mg000.html

or

http://puzzle.dse.nl/math/index_us.html#traveling_bird

All I can say is make a diagram. LOL

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Cindy - 05 May 2006 14:31 GMT
And what grade is this????YIKES..
Cindy
> My kids are struggling with this math problem, and Bob is in bed (he's
> the math wiz!). I am NO HELP, I think the math teacher is insane!!!.
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>
> ~KJ
Alix M. Hall - 05 May 2006 19:20 GMT
Does anyone speak fly?  We could put a flyometer on her and measure
it.....You know--not one time in my entire adult life have I had to
calculate how far a fly flies between two bicyclists!!  LOL  Hope the more
serious answers helped.....

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> And what grade is this????YIKES..
> Cindy
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>> ~KJ
Diane - 05 May 2006 21:23 GMT
isn't this a classic math problem? seems to me i remember something
about it in the movie A BEAUTIFUL MIND.

diane, who doesn't even understand the answer, much less the question
RoseB - 06 May 2006 00:48 GMT
>isn't this a classic math problem? seems to me i remember something
>about it in the movie A BEAUTIFUL MIND.
>
>diane, who doesn't even understand the answer, much less the question

I think it is a clasic, as there are several references to the same
type of problem. What is more confusing with this one is the distances
used.
When I asked my intermediate teacher colleagues, they wondered if
maybe the teacher had taken the old problem and substituted some
different numbers. Things don't work out quite as nicely with these
figures.
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gail - 06 May 2006 08:11 GMT
Hi Everyone,
I bet the teacher never thought anyone would think up this way of
getting the solution - great idea. And gets our brains in motion too.
Well done.
Gail
Norman - 06 May 2006 03:31 GMT

> Here goes:
>
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> the fly continues this until the bicylces meet, how many miles does the
> fly travel?

I won't give you the answer, but I will tell you how I think it should be done
(I tell the same thing to my girlfriends kids).

First, you have to figure out how much time it will take for the two bikes to
meet (moderate level high school algebra). Then figure out how far the fly will
have travelled in this time (at 12 mhp).

The part that makes it a little harder is that the two bike are travelling at
different speeds. If they were travelling at the same speed, they would each
travel half the distance.
melodymom - 09 May 2006 03:42 GMT
Please please please, no more math problems here.  Too depressing!  LOL
So, what's the answer?

Denise
de moron...
Nanny - 10 May 2006 00:37 GMT
I agree, Denise, we want more answers and less questions!  ;-)  Nanny
> Please please please, no more math problems here.  Too depressing!  LOL
> So, what's the answer?
>
> Denise
> de moron...
melodymom - 10 May 2006 01:38 GMT
Hi, Nanny!  Long time no hugs...
{{{{{Nanny}}}}}  
luv&stuff
Nanny - 10 May 2006 16:35 GMT
Thank you - received warmly!  Nanny
> Hi, Nanny!  Long time no hugs...
> {{{{{Nanny}}}}}
> luv&stuff
Taneli Huuskonen - 12 May 2006 19:23 GMT
Je 2006-05-09, melodymom <melodymom51@nospamyahoo.com> skribis:
> Please please please, no more math problems here.  Too depressing!  LOL

Hey, maths is great fun!  See http://www.mathsisfun.com if you don't
believe me. :-)

> So, what's the answer?

The bikes are approaching each other at 9 + 10 = 19 mph, so it takes
them 2/19 hour to meet.  The speed of the fly is 12 mph, so it flies
12 * 2/19 = 24/19 miles.

Regards,
Taneli
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Nann Bell - 13 May 2006 04:07 GMT
> Je 2006-05-09, melodymom <melodymom51@nospamyahoo.com> skribis:
>> Please please please, no more math problems here.  Too depressing!  LOL
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> Regards,
> Taneli

That's what I couldn't remember!  It looks so familiar now that someone is
showing us how  ;-)

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