I have severe DJD in both knees. Only 1 knee is symptomatic and I had
the series of 5 hyalagan injections which helped some. I am currently
taking 200 mg of celebrex 1 time per day and my ortho does not want to
increased that to 2 times per day even though it seems
to wear off by the end of the work day.
He gave me Tramadol for breakthrough pain. It did not help the pain
and actually made me nauseous and light headed well into the next day.
Does anyone have suggestions for other pain meds for break through
pain? I hate to go the Darvocet/Tylenol #3/ Vicoden route but I am
thinking I may need to.
Thanks
Tortoise.
Bud - 01 May 2006 00:52 GMT
> I have severe DJD in both knees. Only 1 knee is symptomatic and I had
> the series of 5 hyalagan injections which helped some. I am currently
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>
> Tortoise.
I was put on Ultram (tramadol/acetaminophen) so as to 'avoid being
hooked' on Percocet. Dose ordered was one every six hours as needed.
Ended up taking two and I think any relief I got was due to the
acetaminophen, not the tramadol and that relief was minimal. My
suggestion would be to go to whatever gives the desired relief... if you
can get the DEA fearing doctor to prescribe it. IMHO the concern over
narcotic abuse is much overblown for the relief of chronic pain that
cannot be corrected. Has your ortho man suggested replacement?
tortoise@chejlava.com - 01 May 2006 03:02 GMT
Yes,he has suggested a replacement but I am only 49 and really do not
want to get it at
such a young age. Thanks for the advice.
tortoise
> I was put on Ultram (tramadol/acetaminophen) so as to 'avoid being
> hooked' on Percocet. Dose ordered was one every six hours as needed.
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> narcotic abuse is much overblown for the relief of chronic pain that
> cannot be corrected. Has your ortho man suggested replacement?
spodosaurus - 01 May 2006 10:44 GMT
> Yes,he has suggested a replacement but I am only 49 and really do not
> want to get it at
> such a young age. Thanks for the advice.
hmmm...maybe I'm missing something...do knee replacements wear out
*that* quickly? I had my hips done at age 25 and 27 (right and left,
respectively).
> tortoise
>
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>>narcotic abuse is much overblown for the relief of chronic pain that
>>cannot be corrected. Has your ortho man suggested replacement?

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vickie b. - 01 May 2006 10:57 GMT
But wrote:
I was put on Ultram (tramadol/acetaminophen)
Is this true? I was put on Ultram years ago and my pharmacy changed it
over to tramadol under the guise of it being the generic. I'm allergic
to acetaminophen! And certainly don't want to get it!
Huh?
Vickie B.
Smokie Darling (Annie) - 01 May 2006 16:58 GMT
> But wrote:
>
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>
> Vickie B.
Ultracet has tylenol/acetaminophen (same thing different names).
Ultram/Tramadol are the same drug without tylenol/acetaminophen.
Smokie Darling (Annie)
Bud - 01 May 2006 18:20 GMT
>>I was put on Ultram (tramadol/acetaminophen)
>>
>>Is this true? I was put on Ultram years ago and my pharmacy changed it
>>over to tramadol under the guise of it being the generic. I'm allergic
>>to acetaminophen! And certainly don't want to get it!
> Ultracet has tylenol/acetaminophen (same thing different names).
>
> Ultram/Tramadol are the same drug without tylenol/acetaminophen.
>
> Smokie Darling (Annie)
You are correct and my bad. I was put on Ultracet not Ultram. Sorry.
Smokie Darling (Annie) - 02 May 2006 01:12 GMT
> >>I was put on Ultram (tramadol/acetaminophen)
> >>
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>
> You are correct and my bad. I was put on Ultracet not Ultram. Sorry.
No prob. I knew what you meant.
I was only answering Vickie's (?) question about the tylenol (I'm
allergic to it as well).
Norman - 01 May 2006 05:25 GMT
One thing most os us have found is that each of us respond differently to each
medicine.
That being said, many people find that they have some reaction to a new
medication for the first few days. The side effects may go away after a few
days to a week (or two). Also, many medications have to reach a certain level
in the body before they seem to work. Sometimes you have to take a medicine for
4 or 5 weeks before it starts to work. This is good, since missing an
occasional dose won't have any noticeable loss of effect.
I am on Sulfasalazine 500 mg (2 pills twice a day) and Lodine 600 mg twice a
day, with Ultram (trammadol HCL) 50 mg 2 or 3 times a day (as needed). I
usually take 1 trammadol twice a day, with a third if needed for a flare. If I
take more, I get a little light headed. This combination works for me for the
present.
Have a detailed discussion with your doctor, indicating your problems AND
fears. Find out why he wants to limit the Celebrex to once a day.
> Tortoise.
"We called him 'Tortoise' because he taught us."
(Alice through the looking glass)
spodosaurus - 01 May 2006 10:44 GMT
> I have severe DJD in both knees. Only 1 knee is symptomatic and I had
> the series of 5 hyalagan injections which helped some. I am currently
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> He gave me Tramadol for breakthrough pain. It did not help the pain
> and actually made me nauseous and light headed well into the next day.
I get that nausea with tramal/tramadol, too.
> Does anyone have suggestions for other pain meds for break through
> pain? I hate to go the Darvocet/Tylenol #3/ Vicoden route but I am
> thinking I may need to.
There's something I take here in Australia called Digesic, though the
brand name may be different in your country. It's a painkiller and
tylenol mix, and the only one that doesn't cause gastric paresis (and
complications from that) in me. It might be worth looking into.
Also, discuss with your doctor maybe taking a celebrex 100mg tablet
later in the day. It seems that with celebrex the possible negative
effects might occur at doses of 400mg/day and above, so 300mg/day (200mg
morning and 100mg evening) might be workable. Please note my use of
"possible" and "might" in my sentence above regarding the potential
negative effects of celebrex. Right now there's a lot of debate about
400mg/day causing increased risk of problems.
Regards,
Ari
> Thanks
>
> Tortoise.

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neighbours from crime, and became the victim of it. Complications in
hospital following this resulted in a serious illness. I now need a bone
marrow transplant. Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow
transplant, too. Please volunteer to be a marrow donor:
http://www.abmdr.org.au/
http://www.marrow.org/
Charrlygrl1 - 05 May 2006 16:10 GMT
I have found, that for myself, ultram/tramadol does help but only if it
is in my system throughout the day. At first I was only taking one or
two per day. My rheummy said to take one every 4-6 hours, with
permission to make it two every 4-6 hours (this was when I was still
undiagnosed but erosions were found in my back and both wrists). I
found that keeping it in my system constantly definitely helped me. I
do remember being a bit dizzy when I first started it, but that did go
away for me.
HTH and good luck to you,
Char
tortoise@chejlava.com - 01 May 2006 15:49 GMT
Thanks everyone for the help.
tortoise
David Wagner - 04 May 2006 16:48 GMT
> I have severe DJD in both knees. Only 1 knee is symptomatic and I had
> the series of 5 hyalagan injections which helped some. I am currently
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> pain? I hate to go the Darvocet/Tylenol #3/ Vicoden route but I am
> thinking I may need to.
Instead of more pain meds, or joint replacement, consider reconstructive
ligament therapy. It's helped me a lot with my hips, lower back, knees, neck
and shoulders, and with degenerative arthritis in my big toes and fingers.
See http://ongleyonline.com for information about this mode of treatment,
from the world's expert, Milne Ongley. I have met patients who came to Dr.
Ongley in a wheelchair, and addicted to narcotic painkillers. Dr. Ongley
got them out of the wheelchair, and off of the painkillers.
David Wagner
tortoise@chejlava.com - 05 May 2006 15:41 GMT
Thanks for the suggestion but the ligaments are fine. It is the
meniscus that is totally gone.
I asked at the beginning if I was a candidate for growing my own
cartilage but since there is none
left to harvest, it would not work.
My ortho did talk about scoping the knee. I did not think that it
would help since the problem is bone on bone.
Has anyone had any success with a scope when there is no cartilage
left?
Thanks
Jack Ricci - 14 May 2006 23:40 GMT
> http://ongleyonline.com
Yes, indeed. I remember receiving treatments from Dr. Ongley way back in
1975, when he had an office in Costa Mesa. Truly miraculous. I had
herniated disks and nothing had helped before, not cortisone shots, not
epidurals, not chiropractors, not muscle relaxants, you name it. His
procedure which was/is called prolotherapy/sclerotherapy consisted of
weekly injections in the area of pain, and within three treatments I was
completely pain-free and continued to be so. At the time, he was a true
pioneer, he and Dr. Eek, they had the only office in the country, but I
was lucky enough to live within commuting distance to their office. Then
I lost track of them because I was no longer in pain. My son just
herniated a disk and is in terrible pain, so I went back on the net to
see what had happened to Dr. Ongley, and lo and behold, there he is, but
better yet, the procedure has finally been recognized by the medical
community and can be obtained at many locations throughout the country.
What impressed me most at the time was that one of the recommendations
for the procedure was by Dr. C. Everett Koop, the Surgeon General, who
had received it, and I understand eventually also gave the procedure to
long-suffering patients.
Good luck to you. This may be your luckiest find!!
Jack
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