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JackieSilverton - 27 Mar 2006 10:59 GMT
I was wondering if anyone else had seen this. A friend bought the
ARTHRITIS: An Integrated Approach DVD for me from Amazon recently. The
DVD was excellent, and on it they have numerous links etc. (including
to their own site www.visionhealth.co.uk). It is a very good resource,
with live chat room (experts come fortnightly), live news feed (coming
soon), links, articles and other great detail. It is well worth a
visit.

I can't speak for the other dvds (Diabetes and Asthma), but the
Arthritis one was excellent. It covers complementary, alternative and
orthodox approaches to Arthritis. There are some 14 world experts, 50
chapters (more than 3 hours) on 2 dvd discs. It is hosted by the
endearing Barefoot Doctor and features such luminaries as: Dr Mosaraf
Ali (Physician to HRH Prince Charles), Dr Jean Monro (Founder of the
Breakspear Hospital, Physician to The Sultan of Brunei), Dr George
Lewith, Dr John  Mansfield and many more...

If you've ever wondered about the truth behind all the hype which
surrounds alternative, complementary, orthodox or cutting edge methods
(like stem cell therapy, genetics and tissue engineering) then this is
for you. It's got some fantastic patient stories and testimonials, and
the sections on provocation neutralisation, environmental medicine and
nutritional medicine really stand out.

-Jackie
Gloria - 27 Mar 2006 13:00 GMT
Yes I  bought a copy of Arthritis an integrated Approach on Amazon and
also Asthma for my boyfriends dad, he has been suffering from both
Arthritis and Asthma for over five years I took a look through them and
thought that they were both excellent and full of usefull information
for any sufferer. I am hoping it will encourage him to look at how to
manage his life better in this complicated world of treatments, The DVD
gives an clear overview of the treatments out there with some great
sections by Dr Ali and Dr. Jean Munro.  I have since I saw him on
television an interest in The Barefoot Doctor and his approach, he
great at explaining the philosophy behind wellness.
www.barefootdoctorworld.com.
I also particularly liked the sections on environmental health. It had
me hooked and I do not have either Arthritis or Asthma. If Dr Ali is
good enough for prince Charles its good enough for Paul.

The Vision Health DVD's are Good Information as told by seasoned
medical experts working and researching in the field. I feel it will
help him unravel the often complicated world of treatments as it talks
common sense about the treatments that are out there.

The website www.visionhealth.co.uk is also a great resource for further
information.

Gloria
Gloria - 27 Mar 2006 13:00 GMT
Yes I  bought a copy of Arthritis an integrated Approach on Amazon and
also Asthma for my boyfriends dad, he has been suffering from both
Arthritis and Asthma for over five years I took a look through them and
thought that they were both excellent and full of usefull information
for any sufferer. I am hoping it will encourage him to look at how to
manage his life better in this complicated world of treatments, The DVD
gives an clear overview of the treatments out there with some great
sections by Dr Ali and Dr. Jean Munro.  I have since I saw him on
television an interest in The Barefoot Doctor and his approach, he
great at explaining the philosophy behind wellness.
www.barefootdoctorworld.com.
I also particularly liked the sections on environmental health. It had
me hooked and I do not have either Arthritis or Asthma. If Dr Ali is
good enough for prince Charles its good enough for Paul.

The Vision Health DVD's are Good Information as told by seasoned
medical experts working and researching in the field. I feel it will
help him unravel the often complicated world of treatments as it talks
common sense about the treatments that are out there.

The website www.visionhealth.co.uk is also a great resource for further
information.

Gloria
Gloria - 27 Mar 2006 13:00 GMT
Yes I  bought a copy of Arthritis an integrated Approach on Amazon and
also Asthma for my boyfriends dad, he has been suffering from both
Arthritis and Asthma for over five years I took a look through them and
thought that they were both excellent and full of usefull information
for any sufferer. I am hoping it will encourage him to look at how to
manage his life better in this complicated world of treatments, The DVD
gives an clear overview of the treatments out there with some great
sections by Dr Ali and Dr. Jean Munro.  I have since I saw him on
television an interest in The Barefoot Doctor and his approach, he
great at explaining the philosophy behind wellness.
www.barefootdoctorworld.com.
I also particularly liked the sections on environmental health. It had
me hooked and I do not have either Arthritis or Asthma. If Dr Ali is
good enough for prince Charles its good enough for Paul.

The Vision Health DVD's are Good Information as told by seasoned
medical experts working and researching in the field. I feel it will
help him unravel the often complicated world of treatments as it talks
common sense about the treatments that are out there.

The website www.visionhealth.co.uk is also a great resource for further
information.

Gloria
Harvey R. Stone - 27 Mar 2006 15:16 GMT
> Yes I  bought a copy of Arthritis an integrated Approach on Amazon and

Ahhh yes,,, a little trip down the lane with Ping and Pong......  it seems
we are getting more of this lately.
Harv
Mary Z - 27 Mar 2006 15:22 GMT
>I was wondering if anyone else had seen this.

It is terrible probably the worst DVD I have seen on the subject in
years.   I highly recommend against this DVD.

Interesting this person has  13 posts all touting these DVDs, and
Gloria has responded only to your posts.  I smell a spammer.  Ping
Pong.
Nann Bell - 27 Mar 2006 15:49 GMT
This reminds me though to post about a TRULY good DVD that can be obtained by
taking a legit survey.  The film was funded in part by the National Psoriasis
Foundation and is the creation of a film maker with Ps and PsA himself.  The
blurb from NPF's publication is to long to copy, so here's a link to it
online http://psoriasis.org/publications/advance/200601_finkelstein.php

My copy finally arrived recently. It was as good as I expected so I will be
following through on my plan to donate my copy to the local library.  I can't
say I learned a whole lot from it, but then the NPF and the internet have
kept me very informed and up to date on stuff.  It's a great film for
educating folks about Ps and PsA - more about Ps, but that's where most of us
with PA start......

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JackieSilverton - 27 Mar 2006 20:02 GMT
Woah! How ungrateful is that. The DVD is excellent. I'm raving on about
it in so many related forums, because it is a GREAT resource. Nothing
to do with spamming. Check my IP if you don't believe it. I'm not the
pong to this ping.

It took time to post and it took time for people to email me with
replies. I have now 8 replies in my inbox, so there are obviously many
happy campers out there.

Sheesh! Try to put a good word out there and look what happens. Any DVD
with 3.5 hours of material, on two discs, could never be a purely
commercially driven product. It's obviously something made with
passion... I sensed the passion and want to help them get that message
out to as man people as possible.

Spammers are normally selling drugs, quick fixes or penis extensions.
I'm trying to spread the word of a good resource, I was spurred on by
receiving two emails in quick succession from other people who had
benefited from the series. Don't judge it till you've bother to look
and don't judge me for wanting to help people. There is such a thing as
"genuine", even in cyberspace.

jackie
spodosaurus - 27 Mar 2006 20:18 GMT
<spammer's creative writing snipped>

I'd be happy to show you into just which opening you should properly
insert this disc that you're spamming us about. Be a good cretin and
bend over.

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Paul T. Holland - 28 Mar 2006 02:09 GMT
hi folks - just ducking in and saw this piece of work

i'm not really up for extended toying with one more scammer, so here's a
quick and dirty look at two facts:

'gloria' uses <info@ormaqworldwide.com>

that is:
Results:
Registrant:
James De Paor
47 Dean Street, Soho, London
47 Dean Street, Soho,London,  W1D 5BE
UK
Domain name: ORMAQWORLDWIDE.COM
Registration Service Provider:
   UK2.NET
   http://uk2.net/
   For support and FAQs please go to http://help.uk2.net/

ORMAQ WORLDWIDE LIMITED Registered No. 05265937 - GB registration business
number

ORMAQWORLDWIDE.COM - nothing there - just a place holder [FREE CUSTOMER
HOLDING PAGE] site...

'jackie' touts a company [visixxxealth.co.uk] that  has  dvd's made/copied
by a 'creation film, ltd':

Checking server [whois.opensrs.net]
Results:
Registrant:
Creation
47 Dean St
London,  w1d 5be
GB

Domain name: CREATIONFILM.COM  aka  www.creationfilms.co.uk / 85.90.254.72
/ which just happens to be the same ip number set that  'gloria' posts off
of...same street address, same ip number...gosh...

and james da paor, of  ormaqworldwide, is also the head of creation films -
makes one wonder if the boss knows what the workers are up to?????

gosh!!!

quite the coincidence --- 'jackie' posts about a dvd

and someone from the same address as the company making those same dvd's
turns up to answer him/her/it...

gloria!!! you little scammer you!!!! where is it you know jackie from?

just curious -   do you really think we're going to believe you? we'll
believe you just about as much as we do 'jackie'...

but since the ebay account shows only 60 sales [of 'all' products...] over
12 months, it's no wonder you resort to spam...

what i really liked is that the visioxxxxxlth.co.uk site is hosted on
Registrant's agent:  Web-At-Work Ltd,

now, in and of itself, that's not funny, but if you look at the  support
address for web at work, you see that it reads:

http://www.cheapdomainsuk.com/cgi-bin/pdesk.cgi

cheap domain suk...

very apt...jackie - it does indeed suk....

and you can be sure that we are indeed ungrateful  - towards all such that
attempt so transparent of shills.

well folks, it's been fun, but i'm still not up for all this - took another
fall last week  trying to get up and around  - cracked the noggin and that
just adds to the list -

someday i'll learn to fall on something soft!

be well all

paul

> Woah! How ungrateful is that. The DVD is excellent. I'm raving on about
> it in so many related forums, because it is a GREAT resource. Nothing
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> jackie
Harvey R. Stone - 28 Mar 2006 05:53 GMT
LOL,,,,,and I did.   As I have always said,,, you da man,,, Paul,,, you da
man....   that we do not see enough of around here but we get tales of what
you deal with and you remain in our prayers.
Harv

> well folks, it's been fun, but i'm still not up for all this - took
> another
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> paul
JackieSilverton - 29 Mar 2006 00:14 GMT
Hey, you guys need to relax a little and just see good info, for what
it is,

I don't know James and don't care to know him.

xxx Jackie
Paul T. Holland - 30 Mar 2006 00:55 GMT
ok - we get it -

you don't care, that a person identified with the dvd's you touted, tried
to pull a fast one.

faking a post in support of 'your' post...you don't care that they are a
scamming spammer...

and, it's probably just a coincidence...two total strangers posting at
the same time - one, 'gloria', proves to be a scammer

the other one, 'you',

well, there is no history of your 'nym' anywhere in usenet or on the
web...you post as:

"JackieSilverton "........

now let's take a look at 'gloria's company once again:

Domain name: CREATIONFILM.COM
Administrative Contact:
   Silver, Jack  jack@studio45design.com
   47 Dean St
   London,  w1d 5be
   GB
   +44.2077349995

heck, you never know - could be just coincidence...

well, it could...uh-huh, yup...of course it could...

x x x backatcha jackie......

a very relaxed

paul

> Hey, you guys need to relax a little and just see good info, for what
> it is,
>
> I don't know James and don't care to know him.
>
> xxx Jackie
Paul T. Holland - 30 Mar 2006 00:56 GMT
thanks harvey

slow going, but bit by bit doing better.

be well

paul

> LOL,,,,,and I did.   As I have always said,,, you da man,,, Paul,,, you da
> man....   that we do not see enough of around here but we get tales of what
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> >
> > paul
Gwen Love - 29 Mar 2006 02:03 GMT
Paul, I'm clumsy; are you?  Really sorry about this fall. Hope your head is
not still sore.  Be careful, okay!
Gwen

> hi folks - just ducking in and saw this piece of work
>
[quoted text clipped - 105 lines]
>>
>> jackie
Paul T. Holland - 30 Mar 2006 01:03 GMT
hi gwen

not really clumsy - hip and knees [mostly hip right now] just decided to give
way. it 'pops' once in a while if i try to step and turn at the same time. this
time the knees were acting up and didn't hold, and that started the 'twist' and
the hip just went out.

what with getting the hip back in and all, i didn't feel the head much for the
first ten minutes or so , but blood down the forehead tends to get your
attention...!!!

by the time i had the hip in and could get up, i could 'really' feel it. they
didn't use stitches - too wide [about 1 x 2 inches], butterfly(d) it instead

still hurts, but also 'itches' like crazy!

> Paul, I'm clumsy; are you?  Really sorry about this fall. Hope your head is
> not still sore.  Be careful, okay!
[quoted text clipped - 109 lines]
> >>
> >> jackie
Gwen Love - 30 Mar 2006 03:51 GMT
Paul, how in the world did you get your hip back in?  I've been carried to
ER three times in an ambulance for mine.
Gwen

> hi gwen
>
[quoted text clipped - 145 lines]
>> >>
>> >> jackie
Paul T. Holland - 30 Mar 2006 23:13 GMT
yup - been there too!  my right hip is partially gone from avn years ago. not
enough to warrant replacement, but still can cause problems

at the same time, it makes it possible to get it back in for the rare time like
last week when i'm by myself and it goes.

this time i was by a shelf unit  when i went down,

given the option of having to crawl/drag myself to a phone more than 40 feet
away - it was worth it to try.

feet were next to the shelf - just enough room to wedge the right foot under,
and then i could angle my body/hips into approx. 90 degree.

throw up [ well, that's part of it...]

with the foot wedged,  [don't think - just take a deep breath, and start letting
it out]  turn halfway over

and back in it goes

throw up again...

not really recommended, but it works. it's kind of like the 'allis' maneuver,
just without an emt holding the leg.

i can't really describe what it feels like, but i know you understand it.

it's only the second time i've had to do it, and hope it's the last.

cats second that motion - the sounds i made had them hiding for a half hour.

paul

> Paul, how in the world did you get your hip back in?  I've been carried to
> ER three times in an ambulance for mine.
[quoted text clipped - 149 lines]
> >> >>
> >> >> jackie
Gwen Love - 30 Mar 2006 23:49 GMT
Paul, I hurt just thinking about what you did.  Having it go out is
excruciating; putting it back in must be worse.  Please don't have to do
that again.
Gwen

> yup - been there too!  my right hip is partially gone from avn years ago.
> not
[quoted text clipped - 213 lines]
>> >> >>
>> >> >> jackie
Paul T. Holland - 02 Apr 2006 22:34 GMT
promise!

> Paul, I hurt just thinking about what you did.  Having it go out is
> excruciating; putting it back in must be worse.  Please don't have to do
[quoted text clipped - 218 lines]
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> jackie
Joan Carter - 31 Mar 2006 00:13 GMT
>cats second that motion - the sounds i made had them hiding for a half hour.

Paul, that sounds awful. You have me shuddering at the thought of it.
---
Joan
Paul T. Holland - 02 Apr 2006 22:35 GMT
had i been in my right mind i probably couldn't have managed it.

> >cats second that motion - the sounds i made had them hiding for a half hour.
>
> Paul, that sounds awful. You have me shuddering at the thought of it.
> ---
> Joan
d'huit - 02 Apr 2006 04:48 GMT
yup - been there too!  my right hip is partially gone from avn years ago.
not
enough to warrant replacement, but still can cause problems

at the same time, it makes it possible to get it back in for the rare time
like
last week when i'm by myself and it goes.

this time i was by a shelf unit  when i went down,

given the option of having to crawl/drag myself to a phone more than 40 feet
away - it was worth it to try.

feet were next to the shelf - just enough room to wedge the right foot
under,
and then i could angle my body/hips into approx. 90 degree.

throw up [ well, that's part of it...]

with the foot wedged,  [don't think - just take a deep breath, and start
letting
it out]  turn halfway over

and back in it goes

throw up again...

not really recommended, but it works. it's kind of like the 'allis'
maneuver,
just without an emt holding the leg.

i can't really describe what it feels like, but i know you understand it.

it's only the second time i've had to do it, and hope it's the last.

cats second that motion - the sounds i made had them hiding for a half hour.

paul

omg, paul!  you must have been in shock from putting your hip back in or
else, you had a concussion.  what a difficult and incredible thing to have
to do for yourself.  holy cow!   what courage it must have taken.
(((((((((paul))))))))  is it feeling any better now?  i sure hope it is,
after all that.

kate

Gwen Love wrote:

> Paul, how in the world did you get your hip back in?  I've been carried to
> ER three times in an ambulance for mine.
[quoted text clipped - 167 lines]
> >> >>
> >> >> jackie
Paul T. Holland - 02 Apr 2006 23:03 GMT
hey kate -

you know, i think i really wasn't totally 'right'

while not calling it a concussion, the whack to my head was enough to make me
tunnel visioned.  i wasn't actually thinking things thru.

by the same token, i can't call what i went thru courageous - it wasn't that
deliberate and thought out...

bull headed maybe?

> omg, paul!  you must have been in shock from putting your hip back in or
> else, you had a concussion.  what a difficult and incredible thing to have
[quoted text clipped - 177 lines]
> > >> >>
> > >> >> jackie
Mary Z - 29 Mar 2006 02:50 GMT
>i'm not really up for extended toying with one more scammer, so here's a
>quick and dirty look at two facts:

Rofl!  good one Paul it is nice to see your name again and your anti
spam investigation,  sometimes it doesn't seem like anyone cares if
spam is posted.  It is great to see someone still does. Great piece of
detective work!

Sorry about your fall hope your noggin is better soon.   -- MZ
Paul T. Holland - 30 Mar 2006 01:04 GMT
hey mary -

thanks,

and it's getting better one day at a time

be well

paul

> >i'm not really up for extended toying with one more scammer, so here's a
> >quick and dirty look at two facts:
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Sorry about your fall hope your noggin is better soon.   -- MZ
 
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