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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Arthritis / March 2006Otp and I do not agree with all of it but it makes a person think
http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/Flash/Think_It_Over.swf 2006-02-25, Responding to Harvey R. Stone... > http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/Flash/Think_It_Over.swf And I thought *I* knew some wacky sites. Loved this link... http://www.sherricorrell.com/ ...a real good old fashioned sizzling foamer. "Git awff mah layand boy!" www.buzzflash.com ...might also give you something to think about BTW. Mike@N.UK  Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) Hi Mike, I want you to understand that I really hate that political crap and I do not want you to reply to me with it. The hate for America and the hate for our president speaks for itself and I just do not need it. This is a newsgroup about the support for people with arthritis problems. Do you understand the last sentence? For now we have a president that does not kiss your politcal a.s and thats fine with me. Harv > Hi Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > president that does not kiss your politcal a.s and thats fine with me. > Harv Harv, it's a bit difficult to not construe your post as "political" because both the first and the last images are of the World Trade Center. Those images are very highly politically charged whether you admit it or not. I would venture to guess that Mike was, in fact, responding to that. Mike, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm really not a mind reader, ya know. And, like you, I do agree with most of the gist of the link. If we dwell on why we are the way we are today, then it does become a VERY political debate. So, let's not go there. ps: dumbya is kissing someone's political a.s, BIGTIME. (Sorry, I couldnt' help myself......... <sigh>) SignatureDi zinkadoodle at gmail dot com www.pbase.com/di www.dustydoggie.blogspot.com (WARNING: Very Political) 2006-02-26, Responding to Di... >> Hi Mike, >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > responding to that. Mike, please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm really > not a mind reader, ya know. Actually, as I do most of my surfing/browsing with a text-only browser, I missed the twin-towers images. I was going just on the text content alone, including one of the primary related links. The issues themselves, the subject matter, and the offensive racism, both implied and blatent, caught me off guard for a moment, and so I figured that Harv was inviting comment/response. He got it, and didn't like it. The rest is Harv indulging himself in a fantasy about me being some kind of raving "Loony Liberal Pinko-Commie Anti-American" just because I've disagreed with him, even though we've hashed this irksome rubbish out before (ad nauseum). I'm hoping against experience that we won't be seeing a repeat of the last time I had something to say *in response to* contentious and upsetting political postings, but bracing my monitor just in case. (Be vewy qwiet! We're huntin' wabbit!) I guess I just got an answer to the question I asked (repeatedly, but with no rational response) at that time though. 8( It all started here... http://tinyurl.com/l6fmw ...for those with an interest. (Lo-------ng!) Anybody want a flame-out on this, pick a more suitable NG and have it there huh?. Lets pass this by here ok? Either that, or use yer plonk-filters. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) So I have been sitting here for a while trying to decipher these posts. Am I missing something? When I click on this link, I only get a photo essay that laments the loss of a "kinder gentler" world and exhorts us to live life fully right now. There isn't a home page and no links to anything other than this essay. Is that what you are seeing. Mike? There are pictures of the twin towers for sure but no commentary except the implied "you never know what tomorrow might bring" theme. While I have to look hard to even critique this pictoral essay (I always am slightly suspect of the good old days...the ones where we did all know our neighbors, were less mobile, had more of a sense of community and could beat our wives and children without legal intervention....you know, the old days when we had less divorce, not because of greater love but because they were harder to get and most women couldn't feed there families if they left a bad marriage), I agree with the sentiments of live life to the fullest now.... I usually agree with you politically, Mike, so I am assuming that I am somehow not seeing the correct link or something is loading differently for me than for you. Please elaborate m > 2006-02-26, Responding to Di... > >> Hi Mike, [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt > - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) hey melinda, you know my politics and I cannot find anything but the call for a gentler and more zen-like approach to the way we live. There is certainly no racism implied or otherwise. It appears that Mike is just trying to provoke Harv and thats a shame. big oracle hugs, johnie shenmei9w...@gmail.com wrote: > So I have been sitting here for a while trying to decipher these > posts. Am I missing something? When I click on this link, I only get a [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > > * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt > > - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) > I cannot find anything but the >call for a gentler and more zen-like approach to the way we live. I just watched it and that is the way I read it. I don't think it was political. I viewed it as a reminder that things happen, so live fully everyday, and express appreciation to your loved ones. Nice to see you back Melinda and Johnie we have missed you. > hey melinda, you know my politics and I cannot find anything but the > call for a gentler and more zen-like approach to the way we live. There [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > big oracle hugs, > johnie Please,,, just let it go. I am at a loss about the whole dam thing. I think some people live in a different world and thats OK . Harv 2006-02-27, Responding to johnie... > hey melinda, you know my politics and I cannot find > anything but the call for a gentler and more zen-like > approach to the way we live. There is certainly no racism > implied or otherwise. It appears that Mike is just trying > to provoke Harv and thats a shame. The target site Harv posted is... http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/ ...so, you decide for yourself ok? See my other response too if you will. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) > The target site Harv posted is... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Mike@N.UK you are quoting an incomplete link and attributing it to Harv. Harv posted a link to a specific flash presentation on this site, you however are presenting the home page of the site as being what Harv posted. The original link is http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/Flash/Think_It_Over.swf That flash presentation is very different in attitude and approach from the homepage that you mistakenly quoted Harv as having posted. BTW, I hadn't loked at this originally as I knew it would take a while to load on dial-up and I didn't have the time then. This fracas got me looking at it. While I agree witht he overall sentiment, I can tell you that a) the author doesn't live in rural northern Michigan! and b) I disagree with the line about having more medicines but less health - my mom, brother and I are all on medicines that didn't exist 80-90 years ago, some that didn't come along until the last 15 or so years. But were it not for modern medications, all of us would have been dead several decades back. When you look at medications and health, you have to consider whether the person you speak of would even have been alive in a different era! SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare 2006-02-28, Responding to Nann Bell... >> The target site Harv posted is... >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the site as being what Harv posted. The original link is > http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/Flash/Think_It_Over.swf No. I'm posting what you get in a text-only browser, and what you get when you take a look at what the SWF link is a part of, which I've already explained, the "target site". You want me to explain it again maybe? > That flash presentation is very different in attitude and > approach from the homepage that you mistakenly quoted Harv > as having posted. No. I did not "mistakenly" quote Harv. I've made it abundantly clear about this. You want I should explain it again already? AND... As I ALSO mentioned in a previous post on this thread, it is my opinion Harv was "link-muled", as in, he found a file, in this case a SWF file, that looks reasonable and worth posting a link to. Nothing wrong with that. HOWEVER... In failing to check what the file was part of, he also acted, albeit unwittingly, as an introduction to the site I found so objectionable. I was shocked that Harv, of all people, would do such a thing. As it turns out, he apparently didn't. My mistake, and I've offered an explaination and an apology for it. Geddit yet? Or do you need me to explain it again? > BTW, I hadn't loked at this originally as I knew it would > take a while to load on dial-up and I didn't have the time > then. I have dial-up. So what? > This fracas got me looking at it. While I agree witht he > overall sentiment, I can tell you that a) the author [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > you have to consider whether the person you speak of would > even have been alive in a different era! You're wandering Nann. This has little or nothing to do with the rest of your post here. If you want to "revue" the site in question, feel free, but lets not confuse the issues any more than they already are m'kay? Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) >> you are quoting an incomplete link and attributing it to >> Harv. Harv posted a link to a specific flash presentation [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > part of, which I've already explained, the "target site". > You want me to explain it again maybe? Well, I've been ignoring your rants on the subject and only started looking because of p[osts from a couple of other peoople. But I still see little purpose in arguing abouut the supposed "target" site of a posted link, when a person obviously posts only the specific link that was intended to be viewed. If you don't have flash, why would you look at a link that is obviously a Flash site in a text-only browser? Obviously, you are not going to see what the original poster intended you to see if you are not using a flash-enabled site. >> BTW, I hadn't loked at this originally as I knew it would >> take a while to load on dial-up and I didn't have the time >> then. > > I have dial-up. So what? So, you made your choice to look at a flash site on dial-up despite using a text-only browser. That was your choice, for whatever reason you chose to pursue a flash site with a text only browser. I chose not to lok at the site originally because of having dial-up and not wanting to wait for it to load through dial-up with a browser that has Flash enabled. That was my choice. I stated my choice. > You're wandering Nann. This has little or nothing to do with > the rest of your post here. Gee, do you suppose that might be why that paragraph was prefaced with "BTW"? LOL If you want to "revue" the site > in question, feel free, but lets not confuse the issues any > more than they already are m'kay? well, the original subject line of this thread remains unchanged. I spoke to a couple of different aspects of that original subject line - 1) what Harv's original posted link was and 2) a response to a particular line in that original link. Both are quite appropriate within the origins of this thread. And I signalled a shift in direction through prefacing the paragraph with "BTW". (I could truly diverge now with a discussion of psychological type and thinking processes, but that truly should be a different thread.) beyond this, I am happy to participate in civil and reasonable discussion, but I will not participate in nor respond to invective and insults. SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare 2006-02-28, Responding to Nann Bell... >>> you are quoting an incomplete link and attributing it to >>> Harv. Harv posted a link to a specific flash presentation [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > person obviously posts only the specific link that was > intended to be viewed. "Rants"? I'd prefer the term "ripostes". > If you don't have flash, why would you look at a link that > is obviously a Flash site in a text-only browser? > Obviously, you are not going to see what the original > poster intended you to see if you are not using a > flash-enabled site. True (and obvious), but... a site with a SWF file will also (typically) have supporting/related material viewable in a text-only browser. Logical? >>> BTW, I hadn't loked at this originally as I knew it would >>> take a while to load on dial-up and I didn't have the time [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > choice, for whatever reason you chose to pursue a flash > site with a text only browser. FWIW. A text-only browser is fast as it doesn't load graphics, (or "nasties" come to that), and is just the job for checking site contents quickly and without leaving a great long list of things you downloaded without knowing it on your ISP's records. > I chose not to lok at the site originally because of > having dial-up and not wanting to wait for it to load > through dial-up with a browser that has Flash enabled. > That was my choice. I stated my choice. Yup. Got that. I could ask why you didn't look at the site first, as this would be a lot easier than waiting for a SWF file to load up through a 56k modem, but WTH, everybody's got their own ways huh? ;\ >> You're wandering Nann. This has little or nothing to do with >> the rest of your post here. > > Gee, do you suppose that might be why that paragraph was > prefaced with "BTW"? > LOL Ok, ya got me on that one. >> If you want to "revue" the site >> in question, feel free, but lets not confuse the issues any [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that original link. Both are quite appropriate within the > origins of this thread. Apparently, for some. I wish I'd known that earlier. > And I signalled a shift in direction through prefacing > the paragraph with "BTW". (I could truly diverge now with > a discussion of psychological type and thinking processes, > but that truly should be a different thread.) Ok ok ok! Ya got me already! > beyond this, I am happy to participate in civil and > reasonable discussion, but I will not participate in nor > respond to invective and insults. I feel very much the same way, but do feel moved to respond as appropriate to people telling me what I meant etc. As it is, it may be better to let the thing drop at the earliest convenience. We don't want another 60-post+ thread like the last one. :( Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) Hi Mike, > You're wandering Nann. This has little or nothing to do with > the rest of your post here. If you want to "revue" the site > in question, feel free, but lets not confuse the issues any > more than they already are m'kay? > > Mike@N.UK Actually you are the one wandering & missing the point. If you are sent to a book store to get a book on a particular subject that is only sold there & you find that that book store also carries what you believe is objectionable material, would you condemn the person that told you that the book was there? Harvey didn't intend for you or any one else to look at the main site. He posted a link to a swf file. He even put " Otp and I do not agree with all of it but it makes a person think" in the subject. http://grampahugs.ath.cx/UK_Mike/Think_It_Over.swf Here is the same file. Now tell me if you object to the hosting site. To see the swf file download it & use IrfanView to view it. http://www.irfanview.com/ Then you can comment on the actual file that is the subject of the thread. GramPaHugs, Alex, SignatureAny information is included for informational or entertainment purposes only, is based on my personal experiences & is an expression of my opinion. **************************************************** * Love radiating from 45.10n x 93.30w M/SP Mn * http://home.mn.rr.com/apbiii * http://grampahugs.is-a-geek.org/ * http://www.goldenmist.org **************************************************** 2006-02-28, Responding to Alex... > Hi Mike, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > believe is objectionable material, would you condemn the person that > told you that the book was there? If it had "Raving Gun Nuts" or "No Mexis here!" in the window, damn right! Which is the experience I had when I went to the site Harv posted a link to. As I've already explained, I'd assumed Harv knew full well what the site's main content was, which is not an unreasonable thing to assume, and reacted as I did. The confusion was soon cleared up once it became apparent that I'd got it wrong, and big-time, as Harv, and several others, did NOT know what the main site's contents were about. Thats why I offered an apology to Harv, but I think he's still mad at me, which I can't say I blame him for really. > Harvey didn't intend for you or any one else to look at the main site. > He posted a link to a swf file. He even put " Otp and I do not agree > with all of it but it makes a person think" in the subject. Yup, and faced with the site content I got, guess what MY impression was? Which is why I made the comparison I did to explain this. > http://grampahugs.ath.cx/UK_Mike/Think_It_Over.swf > > Here is the same file. Now tell me if you object to the hosting site. Of course not. The context is not the same. This was the exact point I was trying to make. Apparently I didn't do a very good job. :( > To see the swf file download it & use IrfanView to view it. > http://www.irfanview.com/ No point. Its hugely clear I screwed up and blasted Harv for something he didn't do. I've explained how it happened, and accept full responsibility for my screwup. No excuses. I got it wrong. > Then you can comment on the actual file that is the subject of the thread. Do you think I should? :( I guess I'll just have to take whats coming and let the energy from this one dissipate at it's own rate. My apology to Harv still stands. We've had our crossed words in the past, but he didn't deserve this. I'll have to live with it. I hope it passes for Harv. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) >I guess I'll just have to take whats coming and let the >energy from this one dissipate at it's own rate. > >My apology to Harv still stands. We've had our crossed words >in the past, but he didn't deserve this. I'll have to live >with it. I hope it passes for Harv. You PRAT! -- preceed with 2006 to email 2006-02-28, Responding to er@gmail.com... >>I guess I'll just have to take whats coming and let the >>energy from this one dissipate at it's own rate. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You PRAT! Ouch! P.S. Well said. :( Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) 2006-02-27, Responding to shenmei9wise@gmail.com... > So I have been sitting here for a while trying to decipher these > posts. Am I missing something? When I click on this link, I only get a > photo essay that laments the loss of a "kinder gentler" world and > exhorts us to live life fully right now. There isn't a home page and > no links to anything other than this essay. Is that what you are > seeing. Mike? Nope. Here's what you seem to have missed. Extracts from http://www.inlibertyandfreedom.com/ "Illegal Immigrant News" "Unconstitutional federal agencies now arm themselves with weapons that you can not own, and train in tactics that you are prohibited from mastering. Before a government is sure you won't resist, it will make sure you can't resist." ...for starters. Does this give us a clue as to content yet? "Site Stand Up For America - You have GOT to see this Site - this Woman is more than Fantastic - she is Absolutely Wonderful!! (And for me to say that is amazing!!)" Ok, so lets take a look at this "GOT to see" link... "Support the TRUE MEN who made America great." Uh-oh! Into NRA country already! "FOR IT IS YOU WHO BETRAYED AMERICA and you still laud praises for this treasonous traitor." And it goes on, and on... Well, I for one am surprised at Harv posting up about this kind of stuff... And then we have the lovely "joke"... "A big earthquake with the strength of 8.1 on the Richter scale has hit Mexico. Two million Mexicans have died and over a million are injured. The country is totally ruined and the government doesn't know where to start with providing help to rebuild. The rest of the world is in shock. Canada is sending troops to help the Mexican army control the riots. Saudi Arabia is sending oil. Other Latin American countries are sending supplies. The European community (except France) is sending food and money. The United States, not to be outdone, is sending two million replacement Mexicans. God Bless America!" Nice huh? I'll forgo expanding on the issues raised, as has been pointed out by moi and others, this isn't the NG for it. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) I don't think that you're missing anything important, "MikesBrain" seems to split his time between running a web page telling people how not to be trolls or other net inappropriate thugs and then breaks all of these rules himself. I sometimes think that his politics is simply a way to start arguements and allow him to pretend that he is a "superior intellect". I get the feeling that he would not be socially acceptable in person either. 2006-02-28, Responding to Norman... > I don't think that you're missing anything important, "MikesBrain" seems to > split his time between running a web page telling people how not to be trolls > or other net inappropriate thugs and then breaks all of these rules himself. > > I sometimes think that his politics is simply a way to start arguements and > allow him to pretend that he is a "superior intellect". What the **** is THIS all about Norm? Are you a closet Anglophobe? Get some therapy Norm. > I get the feeling that he would not be socially acceptable in person either. Norm. Be warned. You DON'T have the capacity or the skill to get into amateur psychology. I've cautioned you before about this kind of opportunist ignorant and insulting sniping. Leave it, ok? Its NOT your thread, and you are NOT helping with this pointless bitchy stuff. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) Interesting warning. Is this a threat? Am I about to be besieged an onslaught of mulitple e-mails containing all the latest and most destructive viruses (virii?)? Are you about to knock on my door with a weapon in your hand? You jump on everyone else's posts and threads, even when they have nothing to do with you, and tell them how they are the evil scourge of the peace loving world, and that only you have the "TRUTH". You jump on every reply anyone makes with the same bluster and posturing. You VERY, VERY, VERY rarely have anything positive to add about anything. You are the one here with the most "pointless and bitchy" posts and replies. As for your own insinuations and slurs; I have been very lucky to have met many fine people from many other countries, including England, Ireland, Scotland, France, Germany, Spain, Hungary, Poland, Italy, Sweden, Nigeria, South Africa, India, China (both of them) Japan, Korea, Vietnam (both here and there) Canada, Mexico, Argentina, and others. I have also met and respected people of many religions, including Catholic, Protestant (of many branches), Jewish, Hindu, Moslem and others including some which are often called Philosophies instead of religions. I have many good times and mutual respect with all of them. I have been involved with folk dancing and folk music from many countries and enjoyed cultural exchanges with all of them. They have all been very fine people who have greatly enriched my life, and have expressed similar feelings toward me. There have been others from all of these countries and religions who debased and disgraced the "Ideals" and "Cultures" which they claimed to represent. Do not warn me about my right to post or reply here. I was also been posting on this group, and replying to the posts of others, long before you showed up spouting your own brand of hatred. I have gotten along with most of the people who post here, even when I haven't agreed with what they have said. They have a right to hold and follow their own beliefs, which I respect. You are one of the few people here who disgust me. You are self righteous, self aggrandizing, pompous and full of hatred for everyone else. Your attacks on the posts of others, and their replies, whether to you or to someone else also wastes an incredible amount of bandwidth. I will not respond to anything else you post. If you attempt to contact me, appropriate complaints will be made. 2006-03-01, Responding to Norman... [ Caution: Bad vibes on this post. ] > Interesting warning. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Are you about to knock on my door with a weapon in your hand? Norm, stop this crap right now. Seriously. Its hateful, and nobody needs where its leading. You make your own brand of faux "psychological" accusations, and when challenged, can't deal with where you're going with them. Starting to talk about fantasised "attacks" as if you are the victim of some evil lunatic is either extremely childish, or worryingly paranoid. Either way, its not helping any, so stop it. > You jump on everyone else's posts and threads, even when they have nothing to > do with you, and tell them how they are the evil scourge of the peace loving > world, and that only you have the "TRUTH". This is bollocks, and you are indulging yourself Norm. If you have any intent to allow the now visible resolution to this thread to occur, stop right now. You're not helping any, but you ARE evidencing a point I've made many times. > You jump on every reply anyone makes with the same bluster and posturing. Nope, only in your mind. Unless you mean replies to me, which when I respond, I respond typically in kind. In which case, get the **** of my discourse with others. You're not invited. > You VERY, VERY, VERY rarely have anything positive to add about anything. Arguable, but not in my opinion/experience. (Like this post from you is "constructive" already?) > You are the one here with the most "pointless and bitchy" posts and replies. I refute that, and I can evidence otherwise. > As for your own insinuations and slurs; I have been very lucky to have met many > fine people from many other countries, including England, Ireland, Scotland, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > They have all been very fine people who have greatly enriched my life, and have > expressed similar feelings toward me. So what? Where are you going Norm? > There have been others from all of these countries and religions who debased > and disgraced the "Ideals" and "Cultures" which they claimed to represent. Er... what? > Do not warn me about my right to post or reply here. Never have, never will. So don't accuse me of doing so Norm. I WILL however, respond as *I* see fit to posts like this one. Don't YOU tell ME I can't ok? Got a problem with me? Use your filters. Wanna fight? Pick a better NG for it and let me know. Ok? > I was also been posting on this group, and replying to the posts of others, > long before you showed up spouting your own brand of hatred. I have gotten > along with most of the people who post here, even when I haven't agreed with > what they have said. They have a right to hold and follow their own beliefs, > which I respect. Wha...? "spouting your own brand of hatred" Bite me Norm. (Oh, you did!) This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say that some people read what they want to read, and then dump THEIR crap on ME as if I am somehow responsible for their world view, which is apparently sometimes far narrower than anything I've been accused (wrongly) of. > You are one of the few people here who disgust me. Some people deserve to be "disgusted", and, based on this post alone, you're clearly one of them Norm. Nothing I can do about it, even if I wanted to. Use your filters, m'kay? > You are self righteous, self aggrandizing, pompous and full of hatred for > everyone else. In your opinion, which appears to be a tad overheated ATM. You are indulging yourself in prejudice, and proving another point I've made several times. > Your attacks on the posts of others, and their replies, whether to you or to > someone else also wastes an incredible amount of bandwidth. Bollocks. Get real, get a clue, get a life. > I will not respond to anything else you post. If you attempt to contact me, > appropriate complaints will be made. I have absolutely no desire to ever "contact you", and would appreciate you refraining from more of your amateur psychology whenever you see a post of mine. This post alone is enough for me to make a complaint or two, but lets just agree you and me simply don't like each other one bit, and use filters huh? Wanna party? I'll party. Wanna leave this? I'd rather, and so would several others I'd guess. Just leave it, huh? Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) > 2006-03-01, Responding to Norman... > > [ Caution: Bad vibes on this post. ] > ................. > Norm, stop this crap right now. Seriously. Its hateful, and > nobody needs where its leading. You make your own brand of [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > childish, or worryingly paranoid. Either way, its not > helping any, so stop it. Mike, I think you're becoming delusional. > ................... > .................... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > apparently sometimes far narrower than anything I've been > accused (wrongly) of. Mike, I don't think anyone is "dumping their crap" on you. At least, not unless you invite it, which you continually do. As I have said in a previous post, politics are not the issue between you and me. BUT, it seems you have a personality that invites a whole lot of dumping. And, I don't get it. But, it's not my responsibility to get it. You are responsible for your own actions. Period. One thing Norman is not is narrow in his view of the world. On the contrary, actually. And for all the postings I've seen on this group over the years, I truly cannot remember Norman coming out so decisively against anyone's posts as he has with yours. Must be that your posts are particularly venomous and insulting. You invite sh.t onto yourself, Mike. Of that, I am sure. Harv and I don't agree politically on anything. We are miles apart. So what? We know that. Everyone here knows that. We don't go around bashing eachother at every opportunity. That's really not what this group is about, so we let our differences of opinion reside in the background, take the best we can from eachother, and move on. One thing for sure, there are a whole lot more people whom I find particularly objectionable because of personalities, rather than politics, and as much as I related to you, at first, I'm find that you truly fit the personality objections. You're self rightous, sanctimonious, hyperbolic, and downright nasty. Politics are not everything in all places. I am a very political animal, and my blog is very indicative of that. I post it here in my sig line with a strong warning for those who choose to go and read what I write. I would never, ever write here what I write there. Never. And frankly, I don't even know who may go there from here, because we never discuss it. NEVER. It's what keeps the peace. I'm finding that this whole thread is really not about politics anymore. It's about personalities. Particularly, your personality. I tried to like you. I really did. I sought out some kind of comraderie in your political leanings. But, you have very clearly illustrated that politics ain't everything. Either stop with the political crap, spilling it out into personal attacks or just go away. If you want to post at some political site, may I suggest alt.impeach.bush Get your political fix there, then come back here to get your arthritis issues dealt with, whatever that means. Maybe, if you learn to separate and comparmentalize the issues, you'll get along much much better with everyone, both here and presumably in the real flesh and bone world. Speakin' of bones........ goddamm, I hurt this morning. My shoulder is a mess............... Peace, SignatureDi (....waving at Mary Z.....<g> ) zinkadoodle at gmail dot com www.pbase.com/di www.dustydoggie.blogspot.com (WARNING: Very Political) 2006-03-01, Responding to Di... >> 2006-03-01, Responding to Norman... >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Mike, I think you're becoming delusional. Strange? T'weren't me making up a big deal about possible "attacks" was it? How did I end up responsible for that? [...] >> Wha...? "spouting your own brand of hatred" >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Mike, I don't think anyone is "dumping their crap" on you. I do. And in spades. (Be vewy qwiet! We're huntin' Mikes! - JOKE!) > At least, not unless you invite it, which you continually > do. Not from where I'm sitting. Though I sure do GET a lot of it. There may be something in what you say here however, and it concerns me. One thing I won't accept is that some of the crap I've had thrown at me is justified. Sure, I have my own "turn of phrase" and sure I can get further out than might be reasonable here and there, but when someone points this out, I take it on board and adjust accordingly. When someone gets their teeth into me and starts telling me what I meant, (NEVER a good idea!) and then "investing" in that projected misconception, I respond, and no better or worse than anybody else as far as I'm concerned. > As I have said in a previous post, politics are not the > issue between you and me. BUT, it seems you have a > personality that invites a whole lot of dumping. And, I > don't get it. But, it's not my responsibility to get it. > You are responsible for your own actions. Period. Now here I think you've hit on something. You're right, its not your responsibility, its mine. And I don't get it either. I've got some work to do based on this observation I think. I'm not validating some of the objectionable reactions I've had in the past though, just commenting on your suggestion. > One thing Norman is not is narrow in his view of the world. Not in my experience. But thats obvious huh? > On the contrary, actually. And for all the postings I've > seen on this group over the years, I truly cannot remember > Norman coming out so decisively against anyone's posts as > he has with yours. Must be that your posts are > particularly venomous and insulting. Or that "hidden factor" is at work. Something is going on, thats for sure, but its NOT "venomous and insulting" unless someone chooses to read it that way, which I have no control over, even if I wanted it. As I've said before, if I wanted to be insulting, I'd make it clear. I don't set out to do that, though as I've also said, I have no problem returning like with like. > You invite sh.t onto yourself, Mike. Of that, I am sure. My opinion differs, but as yours appears to be making more sense right now, I'll give this some serious thought. > Harv and I don't agree politically on anything. We are > miles apart. So what? We know that. Everyone here knows > that. We don't go around bashing eachother at every > opportunity. Huh? I beg to differ! Oh, right, apart from me huh? (Humour?) > That's really not what this group is about, so we let our > differences of opinion reside in the background, take the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > first, I'm find that you truly fit the personality > objections. This concerns me. This is not how things work "elsewhere". > You're self rightous, sanctimonious, hyperbolic, and downright nasty. Nope. I'm ASSUMED to be, and ACCUSED of being... and when you look at the "character" built by other's inferences and accusations, hell! I'd think the same! As I've said, I return like with like when I'm accused of something I didn't say or do. I will NOT be a vehicle for other's prejudices. No way. If that pisses some people off, so be it. There's always plonk filters, or moderated NGs. > Politics are not everything in all places. I am a very > political animal, and my blog is very indicative of that. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > because we never discuss it. NEVER. It's what keeps the > peace. Now this sounds like good advice. I do recognise I have difficulty keeping these things apart, especially when others seem to breeze in with their own stuff, and then shoot at me for my comments. However, I think you make a good point here. > I'm finding that this whole thread is really not about > politics anymore. It's about personalities. > Particularly, your personality. I tried to like you. I > really did. I sought out some kind of comraderie in your > political leanings. But, you have very clearly > illustrated that politics ain't everything. Not sure what you mean here, except that I've pissed you off too. For that, I'm sorry. > Either stop with the political crap, spilling it out into > personal attacks or just go away. Let me say this about that... Apart from this recent mistake of mine, I don't "spill out", I react, as others would and do. If my "turn of phrase" hits some spot somewhere, or makes a point someone is uncomfortable with, then maybe they should have thought before reinterpreting (often badly) what I meant, and/or what I said. And may I point out that the "personal attacks" are something I get more than enough of? You should know how hot things can get when some folks read something they don't like, yes? > If you want to post at some political site, may I suggest > alt.impeach.bush Get your political fix there, then come [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > better with everyone, both here and presumably in the real > flesh and bone world. I'm trying NOT to get a "political fix". Not on this NG anyhow. I still end up embroiled in it though, as you've suggested, and I'll have to work on that one I think. I think you make a good point about "comparmentalizing" here. I think this is an area I need to focus more effort on. Regarding the "get along much much better" observation, I find it curious that this is the only NG I've ever had this level of this problem on. True, I've had "run ins" with one or two people on other NGs, but NEVER anything like this and the "last one" here on ASA. This leads me to suspect that your intuition about "personalities" may be a key to understanding the whole thing. It may simply be that the "collective character" of ASA and my character don't mix.p Hmmm... This is a new one. Must give it some thought. Di, you make a lot of sense here, and I'm going to use you as my "gold standard" if thats ok with you. I may not agree fully with how you see things here, but you've raised some good ideas I think are worth serious consideration. For now, I think the best thing for me to do is remove the one variable I have control over, being me, from ASA and let things cool as soon as possible. > Speakin' of bones........ goddamm, I hurt this morning. > My shoulder is a mess............... You have my sympathies. I still can't feel my little fingers today, and correcting all the finger-bungled mistakes in this reply has made my elbows go all weird. Its gotta be that arctic weather coming down. :( Pain does NOT help any, thats fer sure! > Peace, Hopefully. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) > 2006-03-01, Responding to Di... > > .................. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Strange? T'weren't me making up a big deal about possible > "attacks" was it? How did I end up responsible for that? Perception is everything............ sometimes unfortunately. > > Mike, I don't think anyone is "dumping their crap" on you. > > I do. And in spades. > (Be vewy qwiet! We're huntin' Mikes! - JOKE!) > > At least, not unless you invite it, which you continually > > do. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > misconception, I respond, and no better or worse than > anybody else as far as I'm concerned. Perception is everything. I have found that in forums, those who are most inclined to be dumped upon are those who are just trying to explain their viewpoints. If your explanations result in name-calling and pointing blame, whether right or wrong, people are inclined to start dumpin' on ya. If you play along, you're inviting the dumping. Again, whether right or wrong. > > As I have said in a previous post, politics are not the > > issue between you and me. BUT, it seems you have a [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Not in my experience. But thats obvious huh? That raises a good point. You have to admit that your experience is rather limited with regards to Norman. He was just calling you out on your reactionary, and abrasive behavior. Certainly, not on your politics. Fact is, he is not narrow, and I'd bet that if you knew him personally, and/or gave him more time, you'd know that. Norman is one of the nicest, most easy-going, respectful individuals that I've ever had the fortune of knowing, and meeting personally. There are a number of people here whom I hold in specific high regard, and Norman is one of them. > > On the contrary, actually. And for all the postings I've > > seen on this group over the years, I truly cannot remember [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > that, though as I've also said, I have no problem returning > like with like. There is nothing hidden, I don't think. Norman, correct me if I am wrong. > > You invite sh.t onto yourself, Mike. Of that, I am sure. > > My opinion differs, but as yours appears to be making more > sense right now, I'll give this some serious thought. I'm glad > > Harv and I don't agree politically on anything. We are > > miles apart. So what? We know that. Everyone here knows > > that. We don't go around bashing eachother at every > > opportunity. > > Huh? I beg to differ! Oh, right, apart from me huh? (Humour?) No. Harv and I are miles apart from *eachother*. Not you. You flatter yourself way too much. (humorous response??) > > That's really not what this group is about, so we let our > > differences of opinion reside in the background, take the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > This concerns me. This is not how things work "elsewhere". This is not how things may work elsewhere, but this IS how things work here. I don't understand why this "concerns" you. It is really not our place, as individuals, to go around preaching at everyone who doesn't see eye to eye with us. It's just not. It's not our place to "set people straight" on all issues. It's just not. This is an arthritis group. We support eachother via information, venting, shoulders to cry on, jokes and lighthearted stories. We made a collective decision a few years ago to keep politics out of our arthritis discussions. We also agreed that, rather than trying to squelch free speech, in that it would be impossible on any usenet forum anyway, we request a bit of courtesy, in that if you must say anything political, that "POLITICS" be included in the subject line. Those who want to read, can, and vise versa. It's just our way of keeping the peace around here, around our own little bubble in this rather tumultuous universe. > > You're self rightous, sanctimonious, hyperbolic, and downright nasty. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > No way. If that pisses some people off, so be it. There's > always plonk filters, or moderated NGs. Yes, you are self-rightous and sanctimonious. Nasty comes with the territory. You are attempting to preach to those who do not agree with you, and frankly do not even want to know about your concerns. They just want to move on and talk about arthritis. If you stay around here, you'll experience many more instances of "niceties" imbedded into right wing politics. But, given the group and my knowledge of the individuals, I let it go. This is not the place to debate politics. As you've found, if you try, you'll hit upon a lot of unpleasant responses coming from both sides of the political aisle. It's because we've learned over the years to respect eachother, keep our distances, become close, and who what where, etc. It's a survival mechanism for those of us who are hurting every goddamm day of every goddamm year. As for plonk filters, we know about them, and we use them. I wouldn't be surprised if quite a few users here have not already got you comfortably tucked into their bozo bins. > > Politics are not everything in all places. I am a very > > political animal, and my blog is very indicative of that. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > because we never discuss it. NEVER. It's what keeps the > > peace. I invite you personally to visit my blogsite. Leave me a comment. Hell, even send me an email. It may be time to take the discussion outside of this group. > Now this sounds like good advice. I do recognise I have > difficulty keeping these things apart, especially when [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Not sure what you mean here, except that I've pissed you off > too. For that, I'm sorry. Naa, I'm not pissed off. In fact, and admittedly, I'm giving you a ton of latitude because of your political leanings. <grin> > > Either stop with the political crap, spilling it out into > > personal attacks or just go away. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > thing. It may simply be that the "collective character" of > ASA and my character don't mix.p They can if you want them to. > Hmmm... This is a new one. Must give it some thought. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > one variable I have control over, being me, from ASA and let > things cool as soon as possible. Do what works for you. Frankly, I'd welcome your return. In fact, I am enjoying this exchange. > > Speakin' of bones........ goddamm, I hurt this morning. > > My shoulder is a mess............... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Mike@N.UK Perpetual peace, SignatureDi zinkadoodle at gmail dot com www.pbase.com/di www.dustydoggie.blogspot.com (WARNING: Very Political) >> Hi Mike, >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Center. Those images are very highly politically charged whether you > admit it or not. I guess I need to apologize to you because I did not think that site would bother anyone. The only way I can see a person saying the twin towers is politcally charged,,,,,, they think we blew them up or it is our fault and that is too sick to even argue. Anyway, if I have offended you, I am sorry. Harv > .............. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that is too sick to even argue. Anyway, if I have offended you, I am sorry. > Harv I dunno, Harv. Your post was really about looking for a kinder, gentler world, as Melinda and Johnie pointed out. But, I guess the images of the towers got to me. They always do. The last time I was down that way, a few months ago, there were soldiers with submachine guns, and a big emptiness. I used to be able to see the towers from Fire Island. It was a beautiful site. I'm glad I got to see the world from the top of the tower, on a beautifully clear day, before they got blown to bits. Yes, it's very emotional for me. Yes, it's very, very charged, both gut-wrenching and politically. I was not offended by your post. I was really responding to what I thought Mike was responding to, given my own emotions over it. No need to apologize, Harv. Just try to understand. SignatureDi zinkadoodle at gmail dot com www.pbase.com/di www.dustydoggie.blogspot.com (WARNING: Very Political) 2006-02-27, Responding to Di... >> .............. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > really responding to what I thought Mike was responding to, given my own > emotions over it. Let me get this straight... Nobody has examined, or even looked at, the site carrying the SWF? Have you all just run the SWF and left it at that? Not interested in who or what is providing the file? Remember that I do not see SWF files, but DO get all the text content. Harv? Have you posted a link to a dodgy site because you didn't check what you were accessing before posting it up? Did you just get covertly "recruited" as a link-mule? Let me know, as if so, an apology is due, even though I find the idea nobody checks what they are accessing incredible. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) > 2006-02-27, Responding to Di... > >> [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Nobody has examined, or even looked at, the site carrying > the SWF? Guilty as charged. > Have you all just run the SWF and left it at that? Not > interested in who or what is providing the file? Guilty as charged > Remember that I do not see SWF files, but DO get all the > text content. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Mike@N.UK Mike, politically, you and I are not very far apart, so please know that I am not here to bash your politics. I did go look at the site carrying the SWF, after you posted it. It's all about hating illegal immigrants (maybe all immigrants), loving America (albeit rather blindly, in some regards), supporting guns over almost everything else, and libertarian to the Nth degree. But, all I saw and reacted to was the file Harv posted, and your comments. I do think Harv was trying to be a kinder and gentler human being, without dragging the rest of the site into his post. I certainly will give him the benefit of the doubt. He and I have gone at it over the years, and we've come to an understanding. Basically, we just do the best we can, and try to respect eachother's arthritis issues as best we can. I suggest that before you go off the deep end regarding a specific post, you try to be able to see the post itself, including imagery, to get the gist of the post, and just leave it at that. Just bite the bullet, and save your sweat for bigger things. Peace, SignatureDi zinkadoodle at gmail dot com www.pbase.com/di www.dustydoggie.blogspot.com (WARNING: Very Political) My sentiments also. It should be noted that the 3 people here defending Harvs post have done more than their fair share of arguing politics with Harv over the years. I accept the post at face value and I did not go to the site it came from nor do I intend to. Harv didn't leave an active link pointing that direction. Mike has taken a very positive post by Harv, and is attempting to bait him into another flame war. Mike does need to leave it alone. He is showing a very ugly side of himself right now. Prove me wrong Mike and apologize to Harv. johnie > But, all I saw and reacted to was the file Harv posted, and your > comments. I do think Harv was trying to be a kinder and gentler human [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > gist of the post, and just leave it at that. Just bite the bullet, and > save your sweat for bigger things. 2006-02-27, Responding to johnie... >> But, all I saw and reacted to was the file Harv posted, and your >> comments. I do think Harv was trying to be a kinder and gentler human [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > direction. Mike has taken a very positive post by Harv, and is > attempting to bait him into another flame war. Wrong. And I'd have expected better from you Johnie. That comment itself is presumptious, provocative, "baiting", and wrong, but I'll leave it to go cold ok? Coz its you. > Mike does need to leave it alone. He is showing a very ugly side of > himself right now. Wrong again, its you chosing to see something ugly, and treat it as such. Your choice, not my intent. What you've seen is annoyance and frustration at, having been trashed left right and centre for sticking to my guns on very much the same issues a while back, Harv *apparently* posted up comments and a link to an objectionable political site. As it is, it turns out Harv didn't know what he was actually posting up, and I jumped on him, not realising that some people still don't pay much attention to what their browsers download, or what its connected to. Harv effectively bungled, and I made a genuine mistake based on that bungle. > Prove me wrong Mike and apologize to Harv. If Harv indicates he wants me to at this time, I will, gladly, as its his post I jumped on. It will not be in any way to "prove you wrong" however, as IMO you have not helped this thread with some of the suggestions, comments, and inferences, you've added. P.S. Di? I hear ya. Thanks for the advice. I'll do my best to take it. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) > If Harv indicates he wants me to at this time, I will, > gladly, as its his post I jumped on. It will not be in any > way to "prove you wrong" however, as IMO you have not helped > this thread with some of the suggestions, comments, and > Mike@N.UK NO, no,,, it would change nothing. You had to dig a couple of layers back to find something to bitch about which means I have been doing a pretty good job of staying out of politics with my posting in this newsgroup. Mainly because it changes nothing in most people minds and does cause stress to many people. What I would like Mike the Brain to do is to see if he can follow my leeeeed and leave it out of this little place on the internet. Harv > NO, no,,, it would change nothing. You had to dig a couple of layers back > to find something to bitch about which means I have been doing a pretty good [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > leeeeed and leave it out of this little place on the internet. > Harv Harv, I want to congratulate you on your restraint and on handling yourself like a gentleman through this debate. I'd shake your hand, but my arms aren't long enough, LOL. then again, we know how we feel about handshakes around this group, so I'd best turn that into a hug. SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare 2006-02-28, Responding to Harvey R. Stone... >> If Harv indicates he wants me to at this time, I will, >> gladly, as its his post I jumped on. It will not be in any [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > which means I have been doing a pretty good job of staying > out of politics with my posting in this newsgroup. Well no. As I already explained, I use a text-only browser, and don't "do" SWF. This means that if I follow a SWF link, I get the site it comes from, which is the site I was so shocked to see you posting a link to. All the explanation you need to make sense of this is in my preceding posts Harv. If you WANT to keep on justifying your behaviour on that other thread... http://tinyurl.com/l6fmw ...then be my guest. *This* incident, though based on my continuing frustrations at the lack of "common sense" from some on this NG, is down to me making the mistake, as I've already said, of assuming you had a clue about that which you posted a link to. You bungled, as without a disclaimer, it makes perfect sense to assume that you also HAD checked the site the SWF was on (as in, how did you find it?), but as you claim you didn't see what the SWF was associated with, the only conclusion that can be reached is that *I* made a mistake, based on your lack of research regarding the link you posted. > Mainly because it changes nothing in most people minds and > does cause stress to many people. What I would like Mike > the Brain to do is to see if he can follow my leeeeed and > leave it out of this little place on the internet. Harv I agree wholeheartedly with "leaving out" the political stuff Harv, as you know damn well. You also, by now, understand well and fine WHY I jumped on you, and WHAT about, and that I made a genuine and honest mistake, and, unlike some I could mention, am quite prepared to "fess up" and admit it, and apologies for it. If you want to sit and play the victim, fine. your choice. As this helps maintain the collective mind-set already in existence, and precludes any possible suggestion *I* may still be due an apology or two from some, based on that thread I linked to above, then do feel free to let this simmer instead of accepting a genuine apology from me and letting it go. There is a distinct difference between who I am and the picture that has been painted of me, and I'm rather tired of trying to work with this rabid extremist you seem to like to treat me as, so I'll leave it to you Harv, to end this, or leave it where it is. For my own resolution, and for those who might want to see this ended, I offer my unreserved apologies to you for jumping on you about the post this thread is based on. I hope you change your mind and accept it in the spirit it is intended in. Be well Harv. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) Hi Mike, I understand how you came to your conclusion regarding that sight. I would be willing to bet that very few people have any clue what an SWF file is or does. In this day and age, html browsers are the norm. Why you choose to not use one is up to you, but it does come with it's territory. Most people don't know enough about a computer to fill your little finger. They turn it on, it works. Life is good. If it doesn't work, it goes to the shop no matter how simple the problem may be to resolve. The "common sense" that Harv, or anyone else, would have checked the root sight makes sense to you being the "minority" here with the text only browsing. Come join the masses and browse html. Would save alot of hard feeling on all sides. I'm not looking to get into a war here. Just thought I would voice a perspective I've not seen in this thread ('cept from you.) Keep on smilin' !! GaryZ > 2006-02-28, Responding to Harvey R. Stone... >> [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > Mike@N.UK 2006-02-28, Responding to GARY Z... > Hi Mike, I understand how you came to your conclusion > regarding that sight. I would be willing to bet that very [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > thought I would voice a perspective I've not seen in this > thread ('cept from you.) Keep on smilin' !! GaryZ I see what you're getting at here Gary, however... ALL web browsers render HTML, including the one I use as my primary browser. The one thing it doesn't do is render graphics making it fast and light on a dial-up connection, and making sure the only thing I download is the page itself, and no nasties or other "surprises". (Looks and works a bit like a basic plain-text newsreader.) I think what you're suggesting (correct me if I'm mistaken) is that I should browse using a browser with all the bells and whistles installed, to "get the full effect" so to speak. If so, I've done that, but got fed up waiting for a stream of advertising junk to finish loading just to read a couple of paragraphs of text, and then "click here" for this, that, or whatever. My text-only browser is fast and all my gummy eyes get to see it the text content, which suits me most of the time. If I want graphics for some reason, I'll just fire up a graphics-capable browser and, well, browse them. While it does seem that my (chosen) "lack of technology" has indeed contributed to the mistake I made, while it WAS my mistake, and not Harv's, the reason I made it was because I'd assumed it to be a typical and standard thing to at least take a peek at the target site that carried something somebody had recommended a look at. No excuse for blasting Harv granted, but understandable I'd guess. I wonder what would have happened on this NG if it had been ME posting a link to something of interest, but residing on some loony lefty's site somewhere. www.aloonyleftyfoamingantiamercansite.noc/YanksGoHome/arthritisrelief.html ...for instance. (Its a fictional URL, I hope!) Same thing maybe? ASA archives say not. :( P.S. Free free to call me a Luddite, but if I want to watch TV, I've got a TV already. ;\ Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) I wonder what would have happened on this NG if it had been ME posting a link to something of interest, but residing on some loony lefty's site somewhere. www.aloonyleftyfoamingantiamercansite.noc/YanksGoHome/arthritisrelief... Hum....I wonder.... Woops, I actually don't need to wonder, I know. You did post a site purposely (sherricorreldotcom) that was unapologetically inflammatory. Not one person except Harv has jumped on you for doing that. You have brought to this discussion a degree of arrogance and condescension that is extraordinary. I almost sense you were looking for a fight or at least a forum to test your own verbal sparring abilities. Seems like a simple call for clarification such as, "Harv, did you know that the home site for the link you posted is quite politically inflammatory?" would have at least been a starting point. Instead you replied by posting an extremely inflammatory site of your own knowing that Harv would respond to this. I know when there is a piece of information I have that someone else may not have (in this case probably did not have). I also hope I know how to give that information in a way that doesn't denigrate another person's intellectual (or technical) ability. Berating as a teaching process, rarely accomplishes anything. Howver it can certainly work as a process if the agenda isn't to educate but to exercise one's own verbal sparring abilities. I hadn't intended to jump into this as my first question to you was answered. However, your replies to Nann were just so over the top and rude (geddit it?) and fallacious (refer to the beginning of my post), I couldn't sit on my hands any longer. As to everyone else taking part in this thread, I do apologize for starting this rant. I am not a computer geek. I just click on the link provided for me by AOL and decide whether or not the contents of that link work for me. When the link seemed neither political or inflammatory, I needed to ask what Mike saw that I didn't. Wish it had stopped there. Well actually....this has been at least an interesting thread...<g> Peace, m 2006-02-28, Responding to shenmei9@aol.com... >> I wonder what would have happened on this NG if it had >> been ME posting a link to something of interest, but [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > unapologetically inflammatory. Not one person except Harv has jumped > on you for doing that. It was, at the time, a response reference to what I'd thought, with reason but as it turns out not excuse, Harv had actually posted knowingly, which he apparently didn't. I've explained this already. > You have brought to this discussion a degree of arrogance and > condescension that is extraordinary. I almost sense you were looking > for a fight or at least a forum to test your own verbal sparring > abilities. Wha...? This is weird. In fact, its very weird. What has how I write got to do with anything? As the old saying goes, insults are like strong drink, only effective when taken in sufficient quantity. As for "arrogance and condenscension", what do you expect me to do with this comment? Or are YOU looking to test something? It would have been better if you'd avoided that bit IMO. It isn't something likely to help resolve this thread. > Seems like a simple call for clarification such as, "Harv, did you know > that the home site for the link you posted is quite politically > inflammatory?" would have at least been a starting point. Instead you > replied by posting an extremely inflammatory site of your own knowing > that Harv would respond to this. I agree with your suggestion, and I wish I'd thought and done just that. I was at the time angry and frustrated at what I saw as a post much worse than anything I've ever brought up (and been hauled over the coals for). And, as I've already said, I got it horribly wrong. Thats why I offered Harv an apology. Hopefully he'll accept it at some point, though I do understand why he should be angry under the circumstances. I would be. > I know when there is a piece of information I have that someone else > may not have (in this case probably did not have). I also hope I know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a process if the agenda isn't to educate but to exercise one's own > verbal sparring abilities. There you go again. What is it about how I write that some people seem to think is some kind of intentional exercise? Trust me, its not. I write as I speak and think, and if its different to how somebody else speaks and thinks, so what? This could be a different subject, so I'll understand if you leave it BTW. > I hadn't intended to jump into this as my first question to you was > answered. However, your replies to Nann were just so over the top and > rude (geddit it?) and fallacious (refer to the beginning of my post), I > couldn't sit on my hands any longer. Nann seems perfectly capable of standing up for herself, and while I may have something to say regarding what she had to say about me, I hold her and her opinions in respect, so don't feel obliged to leap to her defense so quickly ok? The only reason I respond to someone is because I consider what they have to say, even if it is (IMO) way off beam, important enough to respond to. I have a filter, and idiots go in it, but people I may disagree with, even seriously, still get the respect they are due, even if what they have to say has me fuming around the collar. > As to everyone else taking part in this thread, I do apologize for > starting this rant. I am not a computer geek. I just click on the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > stopped there. Well actually....this has been at least an interesting > thread...<g> For some. :( > Peace, Please. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) > My sentiments also. It should be noted that the 3 people here defending > Harvs post have done more than their fair share of arguing politics [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > johnie Hear! Hear! SignatureNann remove the Gator cheer to email me Simply the thing I am shall make me live --- William Shakespeare 2006-02-27, Responding to Harvey R. Stone... [...] >> Harv, it's a bit difficult to not construe your post as >> "political" because both the first and the last images [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > too sick to even argue. Anyway, if I have offended you, I > am sorry. Harv Harv... Stop "adding in" material as if somebody actually said it huh? This is provocative to say the least. Also, see my response to Di. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) I have to say one nice thing about this thread, it pulled people out of the bushes (pun not intended ; - ). It is nice to see some old posters again...... welcome back we have missed you! I have to admit it is nice to have a lively discussion to bring the group back to life. -- MZ 2006-02-26, Responding to Harvey R. Stone... > Hi Mike, > > I want you to understand that I really hate that political > crap and I do not want you to reply to me with it. So don't post politically provocative posts then? What did you expect with the one you did post? The site's contents were dodgy to say the least, the ideas it promoted were also extremely suspect, and some of the material linked from it was downright racist. Is this stuff that you consider "normal" and/or "acceptable" as "light entertainment" on a medical support newsgroup? I hope no Mexican people were lurking! > The hate for America and the hate for our president speaks > for itself and I just do not need it. Oh for ****'s sake! Get OVER yourself Harv! And DO stop bleating that anybody who has something to say you don't like "hates America". You posted a link to contentious subject matter, and got a response, and a reasonable one at that. Are you saying buzzflash.com is full of "Anti-Americans" or something? Sheesh! > This is a newsgroup about the support for people with > arthritis problems. Do you understand the last sentence? > For now we have a president that does not kiss your > politcal a.s and thats fine with me. Harv Ok, logic problem here Harv... If this is a "newsgroup about the support for people with arthritis problems", what the **** are YOU doing posting politically hot and potentially upsetting/disturbing topics? AND... What the **** has YOUR (reactive and inaccurate) opinion about MOI got to do with arthritis? And HOW did you get to this stuff about "your president"? Did YOU understand those questions Harv? Now stop presuming the worst, and try to figure out if I MAY have possibly been trying to interact with you on an adult level. Hint = I was. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) > If this is a "newsgroup about the support for people with > arthritis problems", what the **** are YOU doing posting [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Did YOU understand those questions Harv? Yes, and I did not think you would have this reaction. If I have offended you in any way,,, I am sorry because I do not start political discussions in this newsgroup. It is too stressful to most people,,,, myself included. If you ever think I am saying anything to get a response from you,,, stop,,, because I would not and will not. I do not give a dam what you think or how you think. Harv 2006-02-27, Responding to Harvey R. Stone... [...] >> If this is a "newsgroup about the support for people with >> arthritis problems", what the **** are YOU doing posting [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you,,, stop,,, because I would not and will not. I do not > give a dam what you think or how you think. I know full well you don't "give a damn" what I think, and I respect that, probably far more that you respect my right to disagree with you. However, I do have a huge problem with the site you posted up, as if it were harmless and not disturbingly provocative. However, if you read through my other responses on this thread, you'd have noticed my incredulity that you may have just viewed and posted up the SWF link and not even seen the site it is on. If this is the case, I owe you an apology. Mike@N.UK Signature---- * MikesBrain+WebStuff @ http://tinyurl.com/5ayqt - Schauen Sie immer auf der hellen Seite des Lebens! :) |
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