Has anyone here had experience with a moderate alz patient getting cataract
surgery. I understand that a fairly high percentage of the people who get
the surgery have alz because they are usually so old. My mother is about to
have the surgery. Although it is routine in patients who dont have mental
problems, I anticipate that it could be more complicated for the alz patient
because of course they would not remember not to rub their eyes, etc. The
opthomologist assures me that he uses extra heavy duty stitching in
anticipation of this problem but I was just wondering if anyone here has had
experience with it. (I dont think they stitch in patients that dont have
mental problems)
John Inzer - 05 Jun 2004 00:01 GMT
> Has anyone here had experience with a moderate alz
> patient getting cataract surgery. I understand that a
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I have no experience with this issue but I would
question what would be accomplished by this
procedure? Does you mother read a lot?
Have you discussed this with your mother's
primary physician?
My MIL is in mid to end stage AD and we would
not approve such an operation for her.
BTW, Alzheimer's is a disease and is not a
side effect of old age.

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Evelyn Ruut - 05 Jun 2004 04:01 GMT
> Has anyone here had experience with a moderate alz patient getting cataract
> surgery. I understand that a fairly high percentage of the people who get
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> experience with it. (I dont think they stitch in patients that dont have
> mental problems)
My mother in law (who is in a nursing home right now), also has a cataract
forming in one eye. Based on the difficulty we had with her with a simple
tooth extraction, I shudder to think what could happen with eye surgery.
She was fine in the dentists chair, but had no memory of the tooth being
pulled and could not remember any of the instructions even from one second
to the next. It was very hard to keep her from doing herself damage, and I
think it might be even worse with eye surgery, in which the aftercare would
be far more critical.
I hate to see her go through anything she doesn't absolutely need to live at
this point in the game. She can't follow a plot or read anymore. She can't
follow a movie or the TV anymore. I don't imagine that having that surgery
would improve her life any. So we are not doing anything about it.
You might have to ask these same questions of yourself about your mother.
Based on the manner in which I have seen an alzheimer's patient handle such
things, I would forego it unless she was just about totally blind in both
eyes without it.

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Baird Stafford - 05 Jun 2004 21:42 GMT
> Has anyone here had experience with a moderate alz patient getting cataract
> surgery. I understand that a fairly high percentage of the people who get
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> experience with it. (I dont think they stitch in patients that dont have
> mental problems)
What *kind* of cataract surgery - conventional or laser? The Dowager
was able ot use both eyes the following day, IIRC, after she had laser
surgery for her cataracts.
(This is kind of a cop-out, by the way; she had the surgery before she
showed signs of Alzheimer's. But I think it's a valid question, none
the less.)
Blessed be,
Baird
spam2death - 06 Jun 2004 00:33 GMT
> Has anyone here had experience with a moderate alz patient getting cataract
> surgery. I understand that a fairly high percentage of the people who get
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> experience with it. (I dont think they stitch in patients that dont have
> mental problems)
My MIL had cataract surgery about 7 years ago when she was mid stage AD. Surgeries
were done about 6 weeks apart. When we went into the recovery room after the second
surgery, we immediately noticed that she still had a full syringe attached to her IV
line. Come to find out the Dr had forgotten to give her any relaxant or pain meds and
she had done the surgery eyes wide open and cold sober with no meds other than the
topicals. She had no complaints, no problems, no anxiety and she didn't even realize
that she had received no meds. Needless to say the nurses were embarrassed. We got to
go home quicker than after the first surgery where they had doped her up. Her vision
is greatly improved and she no longer has to wear glasses except for reading.
If the surgery had been on my eyes, I'd have had to had total anesthesia, as I have
trouble even getting simple eye exams.
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John Inzer - 06 Jun 2004 06:51 GMT
> My MIL had cataract surgery about 7 years ago when she
> was mid stage AD. Surgeries were done about 6 weeks
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> eye exams.
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This is quite interesting...you say MIL was in
mid-stage AD seven years ago and she is still
interested in reading?
What's your MIL's overall condition now?

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Our internist says she has AD. Since she is 87 and since the dementia has been long
standing for at least 12-15 years, we haven't bothered with a CAT scan or neurologist
workup as her condition remains fairly constant with a gradual slow loss of mental
and physical function. She had temporal arteritis about 12 years ago and may have had
micro-strokes at that time. Her physical health was poor due to alcohol abuse and
failing to eat properly. After 5 years constant effort we finally got her off the
booze about 6 1/2 years ago. Too late. The damage from whatever was already done. All
short term memory gone. Inability to learn anything new. Confusion as to date, day,
and whether day or night. Prior to 5 years ago she lived alone in a nearby apt. and
we visited once or twice daily to give meds and check on food intake. She wasn't
doing well and was unhappy and frustrated all the time. We also nursed her thru a
broken hip and severe osteoporosis with multiple compression fractures -both of which
were supposed to be her final swan song according to the various Drs.
We moved about 5 years ago and moved her into our home at this time. At first she was
difficult adjusting to a regular regimen but gradually she bloomed. The regular
meals, no alcohol and 24 hr a day care have done wonders. She can't be left alone for
more than an hour, but she doesn't wander and is now much healthier. He appendix
burst about 18 months ago and we again thought that she was a goner, but slowly she
got better and now is doing pretty good. She likes loading the dishwasher and making
beds, but someone has to always double check anything she does. She has significant
problems with getting her days and nights reversed but we feel she's doing pretty
well. While her disease is definitely progressive, compared to many people her
disease progresses quite slowly. We tried Aricept and Exelon and both drugs made both
her behavior and quality of life worse so we discontinued them. Love and close
personal attention have made the difference although we also feel very fortunate that
her disease does not progress more quickly. We had thought she was going to croak
12-14 years ago.
"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" Thomas Jefferson
John Inzer - 07 Jun 2004 06:13 GMT
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>> This is quite interesting...you say MIL was in
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Thanks for the detailed reply.
No doubt....every case is different and I
am certainly no doctor but based on my
experiences with Rosie (my MIL) and the
accounts I have read from others I would
have to wonder if your MIL actually has AD
and not some other combination of problems.
Of course at age 87 and with multiple health
issues...it doesn't make a lot of difference
what you call it anyway.

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spam2death - 07 Jun 2004 21:59 GMT
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I used to believe my MIL had vascular dementia but as I mentioned the young internist
says it's AD. I know that at this point the exact diagnosis doesn't really matter
much but maintaining her quality of life does. She is generally happy as a clam
living with us, although she doesn't understand why she can't just stay up all night
and whenever. She clearly shows some signs of both ailments, but AD drugs just made
her ill tempered and anorexic. We just deal with each day's problems and do the best
we can. Every day is a new day.
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John Inzer - 07 Jun 2004 23:45 GMT
> We just deal with each day's problems and
> do the best we can. Every day is a new day.
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That's the best that anyone could do. Your
MIL is fortunate to have your loving support.

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Mare - 10 Jun 2004 23:50 GMT
I wonder if it's Wernicke-Korsakoff syndrome? Not that it really
matters.

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Buffys97 - 09 Jun 2004 21:04 GMT
I don't know about the cataract surgery, but you are right in that our
loved ones with Alzheimer's disease sometimes don't know the right
moves when they are incapacitated....my cousin broke her arm (also had
Alzheimer's) and repeatedly took the cast off. Didn't know why she had
"the thing" on her arm.
It is probably best if they are supervised after the surgery.
Before getting Alzheimer's disease, my mother had the cataract surgery
and she did fine. I lived next door to her and went over at the right
times and put in her meds.
Buffy
> Has anyone here had experience with a moderate alz patient getting cataract
> surgery. I understand that a fairly high percentage of the people who get
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> experience with it. (I dont think they stitch in patients that dont have
> mental problems)